740403 - Morning Walk - Bombay

Morning Walks by Date, 1974

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

740403MW-BOMBAY - April 03, 1974 - 44:44 Minutes

Prabhupāda: But if one cannot execute in such a way, he can take little fruits. That's all.

Dr. Patel: (laughs) Shall we? (break) . . . Śṛnu me paramaṁ vacaḥ (BG 10.1).

Prabhupāda: Bhūya. He has already spoken so many important things—still, He wants to give information of further important part.

Dr. Patel: Yat te 'haṁ priyamāṇāya vakṣyāmi hita-kāmyayā (BG 10.1).

Prabhupāda: Yes. "Because these things are to be spoken to My dear devotees, priyamāṇāya, for the special benefit of the devotees, not for the ordinary man." Bhūya eva mahā-bāho (BG 10.1). Mahā-bāho, this word is used, "mighty-armed," who is very strong in devotional service. Mahā-bāho. Bhūya eva mahā-bāho śṛṇu me paramaṁ vacaḥ." Mahā-bāho: because you are My great devotee, therefore I am speaking further, very important subject matter." Next line?

Dr. Patel:

na me viduḥ sura-ganaḥ

prabhavaṁ na maharṣayaḥ

aham ādir hi devānāṁ

maharṣīṇāṁ ca sarvaśaḥ

(BG 10.2)

Prabhupāda: Yes. Even the . . . na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ. Sura-gaṇāḥ means demigods, and what to speak of the rascals? How the rascals, simply by little educational qualification, can understand Kṛṣṇa?

Dr. Patel: Prabhavaṁ, the original, He said. Prabhavaṁ.

Prabhupāda: No. Prabhavaṁ means influence, influence. Prabhāva.

Dr. Patel: Aham ādir hi devānāṁ maharṣīṇāṁ ca sarvaśaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Now, just try to understand this. Na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ (BG 10.2). Bade-bade jo dev gana (Big, big demigods) . . . demigods, big, big demigods, they cannot understand Him. How the rascals with little education can understand? This is the meaning. Na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ prabhavaṁ. How much influence . . . the maharṣayaḥ, big, big saintly ṛṣis also, they cannot understand. Aham ādir hi devānām. Devānām means the first devas: the Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. So Viṣṇu is He Himself. Even Lord Śiva, Lord Brahmā, they do not know. Devānām.

Dr. Patel:

yo mām ajam anādiṁ ca

vetti loka-maheśvaram

asamūḍhaḥ sa martyeṣu

sarva-papaiḥ pramucyate

(BG 10.3)

Prabhupāda: Yes, this is the understanding of Kṛṣṇa. Yo mām ajam. Ajam. "Because Kṛṣṇa appears as born of Vasudeva and Devaki . . ." That is mūrkha. He appears. He appears, ajo 'pi sann avyayātmā bhūtānām īśvaro 'pi san, sambhavāmi (BG 4.6). That is His extraordinary power. (aside) Aiye . . . but when one understands that He is aja, there is no birth of Kṛṣṇa . . . aja, and . . .?

Dr. Patel: Maheśvaram.

Prabhupāda: Maheśvaram, mahā īśvaram. There are īśvaras, but parameśvara, or mahā-īśvara, that is Kṛṣṇa.

Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

buddhir jñānam asammohaḥ

kṣamā satyaṁ damaḥ śamaḥ

sukhaṁ duḥkhaṁ bhavo 'bhāvo

bhayaṁ cābhayam eva ca

ahiṁsā samatā tuṣṭis

tapo dānaṁ yaśo 'yaśaḥ

bhavanti bhāvā bhūtānāṁ

matta eva pṛthag-vidhāḥ

(BG 10.4-5)

Prabhupāda: Yes. All these good qualities, they are also coming from Him. Matta eva.

Dr. Patel: Good and bad, all qualities.

Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no bad. There is nothing bad, but . . .

Dr. Patel: Bhava abhāva bhayaṁ ca abhayaṁ ca.

Prabhupāda: Bhayaṁ ca abhayaṁ ca, contradictory, yes.

Dr. Patel: Contradictory qualities.

Prabhupāda: That means all contradictions can be adjusted in Kṛṣṇa.

Dr. Patel:

maharṣayaḥ sapta pūrve

catvāro manavas tathā

mad-bhāvā mānasā jātā

yeṣāṁ loke imāḥ prajāḥ

(BG 10.6)

Prabhupāda: Yes. "The whole prajā, population, they are born of Me."

Dr. Patel:

etāṁ vibhūtiṁ yogaṁ ca

mama yo vetti tattvataḥ

so 'vikalpena yogena

yujyate nātra saṁśayaḥ

(BG 10.7)

Prabhupāda: Yes, tattvataḥ, to understand Kṛṣṇa tattvataḥ.

Dr. Patel: Rightly.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo

mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate

iti matvā bhajante māṁ

budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ

(BG 10.8)

Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the actually essence of Bhagavad-gītā. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate: "I am the origin of everything." Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo and mattaḥ sarvam. Sarvam means including Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. Sarvam. Mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate iti matvā. One who understands this. Bhajante. So just . . . the bhajana is for whom? Iti matvā. When one understands that Kṛṣṇa is the origin of everything, even the original demigods, Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara, when one understands perfectly this thing, then his bhajana is perfect.

Dr. Patel: Budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ.

Prabhupāda: Bhāva, bhāva. Bhāva means . . .

Chandobhai: All the emotions, feelings.

Prabhupāda: . . . love, feelings, feelings of love, "Oh, Kṛṣṇa is so great."

Dr. Patel: Mac-cittā mad-gata-prāṇāḥ.

Prabhupāda: And that is being described.

Dr. Patel: Bodhayantaḥ parasparam, kathayantaś ca māṁ nityaṁ tuṣyanti ca ramanti ca (BG 10.9).

Prabhupāda: Ramanti ca, yes. So instead of talking of Kṛṣṇa, they talk of politics, sociology, all nonsense. Simply waste of time.

Dr. Patel: Mad-gata-prāṇāḥ.

Prabhupāda: Mad-gata . . . one cannot talk of Kṛṣṇa unless he is kṛṣṇa-gata-prāṇāḥ. Kṛṣṇa-gata-prāṇāḥ. Just like your loveable objects, you cannot forget even for a moment, similarly, one who has developed real love for Kṛṣṇa, he cannot do without thinking of Kṛṣṇa, without talking of Kṛṣṇa, without acting for Kṛṣṇa. Mad-gata-prāṇāḥ.

Dr. Patel:

teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ

bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam

dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ

yena mām upayānti te

(BG 10.10)

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. So therefore one who has taken to this . . . sometimes these Māyāvādīs rascals say that the bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class of men. So how he can be less intelligent? Kṛṣṇa says, teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam. So Kṛṣṇa personally gives you intelligence. So how He can be less intelligent?

Chandobhai: He gives intelligence.

Dr. Patel: That dadami buddhi-yogam.

Prabhupāda: Ah. And what kind of buddhi-yoga?

Chandobhai: "By which you can reach Me."

Prabhupāda: Yes. By which he can go back to home, back to Godhead. That kind of buddhi-yoga.

Dr. Patel: That comes later on.

Prabhupāda: Not this buddhi-yoga, how to exploit the whole world and become Hiraṇyakaśipu.

Dr. Patel:

teṣām evānukampārtham

aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ

nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho

jñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā

(BG 10.11)

Prabhupāda: Teṣām. Who are those, teṣām? Not all.

Chandobhai: Bhaktas.

Prabhupāda: Satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, teṣām. It is a special favor for them. Teṣām evānukampārtham. So if Kṛṣṇa dissipates ignorance from the heart of a person, how he can be less intelligent? If somebody is guided by the most perfect intellect . . . intellectual, then how he can be less intelligent? So these Māyāvādīs' accusation that bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class and jñāna is meant for higher class of men, so this accusation is refuted, that "No, don't think that the devotees are less intelligent, because I am guiding them."

Dr. Patel: Nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho, aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ. Tamaḥ nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho.

Prabhupāda: Tamaḥ. No more ignorance, darkness. So how a devotee can be in darkness, in ignorance? This is refuted.

Dr. Patel: Now arjuna uvāca.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

arjuna uvāca.

paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma

pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān

puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam

ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum

(BG 10.12)

Prabhupāda: Yes. So therefore, what is Kṛṣṇa is to be understood from Arjuna. This is paramparā system. Paramparā system. Arjuna talked with Kṛṣṇa personally. So his experience is first hand. So how this rascal can imagine of Kṛṣṇa that "Kṛṣṇa is like this, Kṛṣṇa is like that"? If you actually reading Bhagavad-gītā as Arjuna understood Kṛṣṇa, you have to accept it. This is called paramparā. So what is the experience of Arjuna? Arjuna said: "You are . . . you are the Supreme Person, puruṣam. You are not female. You are not prakṛti. You are puruṣa, śaśvata, and the original, śaśvatam, eternally." Not that, the Māyāvādīs, "Now impersonal . . ." Yes, read one line. That is sufficient.

Dr. Patel: That same line. Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Ādi. Yes. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. Ādi-puruṣam, He is the original person. Person. He is not imperson. Puruṣam is not imperson. Brahman is imperson, but Para-brahman is not imperson. So that is Kṛṣṇa. So therefore it is called paraḥ, param. Brahman realization. Athāto brahma jijñāsā, "You inquire about Brahman."

Chandobhai: All-pervading, vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Vibhum, yes, all-pervading. Just like the same example: the sun. The sun is all-pervading by sunshine, but still, sunshine is not important as the sun globe. This is to be understood. Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa . . . let us understand one line. Para-brahman. Brahman, sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. But they are Para-brahman. Īśvara, everyone is īśvara. That's all right. But not everyone Parameṣvara.

Chandobhai: Puruṣottama.

Prabhupāda: Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ (Bs. 5.1).

Dr. Patel: Everyone is puruṣa, but not puruṣottama.

Prabhupāda: So paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma (BG 10.12). Dhāma. Dhāma means resting place. Mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni (BG 9.4). Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma, and pavitram. Pavitra means you are not contaminated by these material modes. Pavitraṁ paramam, Supreme pavitra. Now the question is that if Kṛṣṇa is paraṁ pavitra . . . now sometimes they criticize that "Kṛṣṇa danced with the other girls. So how He can be contaminated?"

Dr. Patel: Non-contaminated.

Prabhupāda: Not contaminated. Apāpa-vidham. As it is said, apāpa vidham aśnaviram. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram means not material body. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram apāpa-vidham.

Chandobhai: Kavir manīṣiḥ paribhuḥ svayambhūḥ . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is being explained, yes. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12).

Dr. Patel: Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Divyam. Divyam means spiritual. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyam (SB 5.5.1). That is the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva, "My dear boys, you engage yourself in tapasya." Now, what kind of tapasya? Tapo divyam: for spiritual realization. Now, materialists, there are big, big scientists, big, big archeologists and so on, so on, they are also undergoing tapo. Without tapasya, nobody can become eminent. So they are also undergoing tapasya. Suppose one who has manufactured this atomic bomb. This is also tapasya. But not this kind of tapasya. Tapo divyam, for understanding Kṛṣṇa. To understand Kṛṣṇa, that tapasya required.

Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve

devarṣir nāradas tathā

asito devalo vyāsaḥ

svayaṁ caiva bravīṣi me

(BG 10.13)

Prabhupāda: Now, people may say that, "Arjuna was Kṛṣṇa's friend, so he is eulogizing Kṛṣṇa like anything." Therefore he is giving evidence that āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarva, "It is not my sentiment that I am accepting You as such and such. But . . ." (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa, Jaya. (break) He is giving evidence. This is required. This is required. If you say something, it must be supported by authorities. Not that my whimsically I say something like daridra nārāyaṇa.

Dr. Patel: Again you say, daridra-nārāyaṇa.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Unauthorized statement. This will not be accepted. So āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve.

Dr. Patel:

āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve

devarṣir nāradas tathā

asito devalo vyāsaḥ

svayaṁ caiva bravīṣi me

(BG 10.13)

Prabhupāda: Vyāsa. Ultimately Vyāsa.

Dr. Patel: "Even You say so." Svayam eva.

Prabhupāda: "And You also say."

Dr. Patel: Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavān vyaktiṁ . . . (BG 10.14).

Prabhupāda: Now, this is understanding of Bhagavad-gītā that, "Whatever You say, I accept as truth." Not that "This portion . . ." Interpretation: "This portion I don't like. This portion is nice." No. Everything is nice. Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, everything is correct. That is understanding.

Dr. Patel:

sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye

yan māṁ vadasi keśava

na hi te bhagavān vyaktiṁ

vidur devā na dānavāḥ

(BG 10.14)

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Vyaktim means?

Prabhupāda: Vyaktim means His personality, personality, vyaktim.

Dr. Patel: "Nobody knows Your personality in truth."

Prabhupāda: So foolish people cannot understand what is the Personality of Kṛṣṇa. Yes.

Dr. Patel:

svayam evātmanātmānaṁ

vettha tvaṁ puruṣottama

bhūta-bhāvana bhūteśa

deva-deva jagat-pate

(BG 10.15)

Prabhupāda: Yes. "Therefore to understand You is to take information from You, not from others." What Kṛṣṇa says . . .

Dr. Patel: Svayam evātmanātmānam.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Because you know yourself, what you are. Nobody knows. Therefore to understand Kṛṣṇa, or God, is to accept whatever is spoken in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is real understanding.

Dr. Patel: Bhūta-bhāvana bhūteṣa deva-deva jagat-pate.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Vaktum arhasy aśeṣeṇa divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ (BG 10.16).

Prabhupāda: Deva-deva, "There are many demigods, but You are also . . ."

Dr. Patel: Deva of the devas.

Prabhupāda: Ah. "You are the supreme of all of them, deva-deva. You are worshiped by the devas."

Dr. Patel:

vaktum arhasy aśeṣeṇa

divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ

yābhir vibhūtibhir lokān

imāṁs tvaṁ vyāpya tiṣṭhasi

(BG 10.16)

Prabhupāda: Now, this is to be understood, "How You are all-pervading by Your influence, by Your power." That means "You are always there." "You" person is there. Just like a big man, big businessman, is sitting in his room, but he is all-pervading, all-pervading.

Dr. Patel: But he must have got special powers deputed to certain people. And these are that vibhūtis.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is vibhūti. That does not mean . . . Māyāvādī philosophy is: "Because He has spread everywhere, therefore He is imperson." He remains person, without any change, avyaya. But still, He is spread. That he is asking, that "How I shall understand You, that You are spread everywhere?" Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ (Bs. 5.37). That is . . . so we have to understand from Kṛṣṇa how He is all-pervading, not that mental speculation. Just like if you take a thing and distribute all over, the original thing is lost. Not like that. Original Kṛṣṇa is there.

Dr. Patel: Pūrṇam idam (Īśopaniṣad, Invocation).

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

kathaṁ vidyām ahaṁ yogiṁs

tvāṁ sadā paricintayan

keṣu keṣu ca bhāveṣu

cintyo 'si bhagavan mayā

(BG 10.17)

(reads next verse while Śrīla Prabhupāda talks)

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, you have to learn from Kṛṣṇa and think like that. That is meditation. That is meditation, how Kṛṣṇa is all-per . . . just like in the beginning also, Kṛṣṇa said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8). So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.

Dr. Patel: Now:

śrī bhagavān uvāca

hanta te kathayiṣyāmi

divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ

prādhānyataḥ kuru-śreṣṭha

nāsty anto vistarasya me

(BG 10.19)

Prabhupāda: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."

Dr. Patel: And the first important:

aham ātmā guḍākeśa

sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ

aham ādiś ca madhyaṁ ca

bhūtānām anta eva ca

(BG 10.20)

Prabhupāda: Yes, ady anta, this creation. Before this creation, Kṛṣṇa was there. Kṛṣṇa was there. When the creation is going on, it is maintained by Kṛṣṇa, and when it is dissolved, then it enters into Kṛṣṇa. Prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikam.

Dr. Patel: Aham ātmā guḍākeśa sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ.

Prabhupāda: "And I am ātmā, Guḍākeśa. I am ātmā. Therefore, because My part and parcel is spreading, so that part and parcel, particle, that is the basic principle of everything." Just like this body. This body is based on that part and particle, soul. Because the soul was there, the body has developed.

Dr. Patel: Otherwise body would perish. It does rot.

Prabhupāda: Yes. The body develops so long the ātmā is there. So similarly, because Kṛṣṇa is there, therefore whatever manifestation you see, that is due to Kṛṣṇa. Now here the latest theory of the rascals, that life has come from matter, is refuted.

Dr. Patel: That is Cārvāka's theory, this Karl Marx, the Communists. That is dialectical materialism.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Now He says aham. Aham is living entity. So living entity is the origin of everything.

Dr. Patel:

ādityānām ahaṁ viṣṇur

jyotiṣāṁ ravir aṁśumān

marīcir marutām asmi

nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśī

(BG 10.21)

Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, this is also another nice thing, that the modern astronomers, they say that all these stars are sun. Sun. Do they not?

Dr. Patel: Yes. Just like suns.

Prabhupāda: But just like Kṛṣṇa says: "They are just like moon." Just see. Nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśi. So śaśi means the moon. Moon is like one of the stars. So if you say the stars are sūrya, then there is contradiction. How the moon and the sun can be equal? But actually, that is not. According to our Vedic astronomy, there is one sun only in one universe, although there are millions of universes. We cannot count. So there are millions of suns. That is another thing. But within the universe there is only one sun, and by the brilliance of sunshine, all these stars and moons are glittering. Just like moon shining, being reflected by the sun, similarly, all the stars they are glittering, being reflected by the sun, not that all of them are different suns. This theory is refuted.

Dr. Patel:

vedānāṁ sāma-vedo 'smi

devānām asmi vāsavaḥ

indriyāṇāṁ manaś cāsmi

bhūtānām asmi cetanā

(BG 10.22)

Prabhupāda: The Sāma Vedas mean the realization of God by singing, by music. That is Sāma Veda.

Dr. Patel: By music, "I am the soul of the music."

Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore hari-kīrtana. Hari-kīrtana is Sāma Veda, glorifying the Supreme. That is stated in some other place.

Dr. Patel: "I am Indra of the devas."

Prabhupāda: Yam brahma-varunendra-rudraḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair vedaiḥ sanga-pada-kramopa . . . (SB 12.13.1)

Dr. Patel: Kramopanisadair gayanti yam samagaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Gayanti. So gayanti, chanting, is following the Sāma Veda, and Sāma Veda, Kṛṣṇa says: "I am especially Sāma Veda."

Dr. Patel: Devānām asmi vāsavaḥ, indriyāṇāṁ manaś cāsmi bhūtānām asmi cetanā, "I am the . . ." Cetanā means . . .? Life, life and . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Life. Knowledge, knowledge.

Dr. Patel:

rudrāṇāṁ śaṅkaraś cāsmi

vitteśo yakṣa-rakṣasām

vasūnāṁ pāvakaś cāsmi

meruḥ śikhariṇām aham

(BG 10.23)

purodhasāṁ ca mukhyaṁ māṁ

viddhi pārtha bṛhaspatim

senānīnām ahaṁ skandaḥ

sarasām asmi sāgaraḥ

(BG 10.24)

Prabhupāda: Skanda means Kārtikeya.

Dr. Patel: Yes. Kārtikeya. Maharṣīṇāṁ bhṛgur ahaṁ girām asmy ekam akṣaram (BG 10.25). "I am oṁ."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Yajñānāṁ japa-yajño 'smi. (laughs)

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanaiḥ prayair yajanti hi sumedhasaḥ (SB 11.5.32). This is there. Japa-yajño, Hare Kṛṣṇa, this is the best-class . . .

Dr. Patel:

. . . yajñānāṁ japa-yajño 'smi

sthāvarāṇāṁ himālayaḥ

aśvatthaḥ sarva-vṛkṣāṇāṁ

devarṣīṇāṁ ca nāradaḥ

gandharvāṇāṁ citrarathaḥ

siddhānāṁ kapilo muniḥ

(BG 10.25-26)

Prabhupāda: Now, the Kapila Muni. Who is that Kapila Muni?

Dr. Patel: That Devahūti's son.

Prabhupāda: Son, yes.

Dr. Patel:

uccaiḥśravasam aśvānāṁ

viddhi mām amṛtodbhavam

airāvataṁ gajendrāṇāṁ

narāṇāṁ ca narādhipam

(BG 10.27)

Naradhipam means He represents the God.

Prabhupāda: King, king, king. Yes.

Dr. Patel: King. But not these kings. Daruriyas (Drunkards).

Prabhupāda: But they are not kings. They are mlecchas. They are not kings. Asaṁskṛtāḥ kriyā-hīnā mlecchā rājendra-rūpinaḥ. They have assumed the post of king, but otherwise they are mlecchas, asaṁskṛtāḥ. There is no saṁskāra, and kriyā-hīnā, they do not perform the Vedic rituals. So they are all rascals. So how we can be happy?

Dr. Patel:

āyudhānām ahaṁ vajraṁ

dhenūnām asmi kāmadhuk

prajanaś cāsmi kandarpaḥ

sarpāṇām asmi vāsukiḥ

(BG 10.28)

Prajanaś cāsmi kandarpaḥ. "I am the Kandarpa."

Prabhupāda: Cupid.

Dr. Patel: Reproduce, produces.

Prabhupāda: Yes, Cupid.

Dr. Patel:

anantaś cāsmi nāgānāṁ

varuṇo yādasām aham

pitṟṇām aryamā cāsmi

yamaḥ saṁyamatām aham

(BG 10.29)

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

prahlādaś cāsmi daityānāṁ

kālaḥ kalayatām aham

mṛgāṇāṁ ca mṛgendro 'haṁ

vainateyaś ca pakṣiṇām

(BG 10.30)

pavanaḥ pavatām asmi

rāmaḥ śastra-bhṛtām aham

jhaṣāṇāṁ makaraś cāsmi

srotasām asmi jāhnavī

(BG 10.31)

Prabhupāda: Jhaṣāṇām, "Of all the aquatics, I am the makara."

Dr. Patel: Sargāṇām ādir antaś ca madhyaṁ caivāham arjuna (BG 10.32). That means "I am the very time." Sargāṇām ādir antaś ca madhyaṁ caivāham arjuna.

Prabhupāda: Yes, time, kāla, kāla, creation.

Dr. Patel: Ahyātma-vidyā vidyānāṁ vādaḥ pravadatām aham.

Prabhupāda: Pravadatām aham.

Dr. Patel:

akṣarāṇām a-kāro 'smi

dvandvaḥ sāmāsikasya ca

aham evākṣayaḥ kālo

dhātāhaṁ viśvato-mukhaḥ

(BG 10.33)

mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham

udbhavaś ca bhaviṣyatām

kīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇām

smṛtir medhā dhṛtiḥ kṣamā

(BG 10.34)

Please comment on this: kīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇām smṛtir medhā dhṛtiḥ kṣamā.

Prabhupāda: The woman's voice is very attractive. Because people engage woman for singing. Their voice is natural attractive, "So that attractive voice, I am."

Dr. Patel: "I am." Kīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇām, smṛtir medhā and dhṛtiḥ and kṣamā. These are the feminine qualities, "There I am. I am kṣamā, I am dhṛti, I am medhā, I am smṛti and I am the melodious sound of women. I am kīrti and I am śrī."

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Dr. Patel:

bṛhat-sāma tathā sāmnāṁ

gāyatrī chandasām aham

māsānāṁ mārga-śīrṣo 'ham

ṛtūnāṁ kusumākaraḥ

(BG 10.35)

dyūtaṁ chalayatām asmi

tejas tejasvinām aham

jayo 'smi vyavasāyo 'smi

sattvaṁ sattvavatām aham

(BG 10.36)

vṛṣṇīnāṁ vāsudevo 'smi

pāṇḍavānāṁ dhanañjayaḥ . . .

(BG 10.37)

Prabhupāda: Ah. (laughs)

Dr. Patel: "I am you."

Prabhupāda: Pāṇḍavānāṁ dhanañjayaḥ.

Dr. Patel: That means "I am you."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Munīnām apy ahaṁ vyāsaḥ kavīnām uśanā kaviḥ.

Prabhupāda: Not "I am you." That is Māyāvāda. Dhanañjaya especially, not the rascals.

Dr. Patel: "You" means He is talking with whom? Dhanañjaya.

Prabhupāda: That's all right, Dhanañjaya. You can take, Dhanañjaya. Not that general people.

Dr. Patel: But that is what He says, that "I am you." Kṛṣṇa says . . .

Prabhupāda: Not you; Dhanañjaya. "You" means . . . why you are changing the word? No, no, it is said, Dhanañjaya. You say Dhanañjaya.

Dr. Patel: Pārtha, Dhanañjaya, He is . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes. And after . . .

Dr. Patel: But He is talking with Dhanañjaya.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. You cannot make it an impersonal. As soon as you say Dhanañjaya, He is person.

Dr. Patel: Oh, yes, that way. That way you are right. Vṛṣṇīnāṁ vāsudevo 'smi. That means He is the father of even Himself.

vṛṣṇīnāṁ vāsudevo 'smi

pāṇḍavānāṁ dhanañjayaḥ

munīnām apy ahaṁ vyāsaḥ

kavīnām uśanā kaviḥ

(BG 10.37)

Prabhupāda: Yes, Vyāsadeva is incarnation of God.

Dr. Patel:

daṇḍo damayatām asmi

nītir asmi jigīṣatām

maunaṁ caivāsmi guhyānāṁ

jñānaṁ jñānavatām aham

(BG 10.38)

Prabhupāda: Nītir, by argument, by logic, when one becomes victorious, that victory is Kṛṣṇa, nītī. Without Kṛṣṇa . . .

Chandobhai: It is God's victory, not his.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Yac cāpi sarva-bhūtānāṁ bījaṁ tad aham arjuna. "There is . . . seed in everything is I."

yac cāpi sarva-bhūtānāṁ

bījaṁ tad aham arjuna

na tad asti vinā yat syān

mayā bhūtaṁ carācaram

(BG 10.39)

Nothing that moves and not moves is without being.

Prabhupāda: Yes, because everything is His energy.

Dr. Patel:

nānto 'sti mama divyānāṁ

vibhūtīnāṁ parantapa

eṣa tūddeśataḥ prokto

vibhūter vistaro mayā

(BG 10.40)

yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ

śrīmad ūrjitam eva vā

tat tad evāvagaccha tvaṁ

mama tejo-'ṁśa-sambhavam

(BG 10.41)

"Whatever glorious thing you see, it is Mine."

Prabhupāda: "That is due to My influence". (break)

Dr. Patel: Aham idaṁ kṛtsnam ekāṁśena sthito jagat (BG 10.42).

Prabhupāda: This is only ekāṁśa vibhūti. All this described, this is only one part. The three parts—in the spiritual world. This is all description of the material world. Now, this is only one part manifestation, and the three-part manifestation—in the spiritual sky.

Chandobhai: Tri-pāda . . . (indistinct Sanskrit)

Dr. Patel: Tri-pāda. (break) This thing. Ācchā. Today is Ekādaśī.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Ācchā.

arjuna uvāca

mad-anugrahāya paramaṁ

guhyam adhyātma-saṁjñitam

yat tvayoktaṁ vacas tena

moho 'yaṁ vigato mama

(BG 11.1)

Prabhupāda: Moha, moho 'yam . . . "What You were, now I understand."

Dr. Patel: "Now I have lost it."

Prabhupāda: "I was thinking that You are ordinary friend, but now moha, that moha is gone. I understand You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead."

Dr. Patel: Yes.

bhavāpyayau hi bhūtānāṁ

śrutau vistaraśo mayā

tvattaḥ kamala-patrākṣa

māhātmyam api cāvyayam

(BG 11.2)

evam etad yathāttha

tvam ātmānaṁ parameśvara

draṣṭum icchāmi te rūpam

aiśvaraṁ puruṣottama

(BG 11.3)

Now, he is creating a trouble for Kṛṣṇa. He is creating trouble for Him.

Prabhupāda: No, why trouble? Kṛṣṇa has no trouble.

Dr. Patel: For himself. Arjuna is creating trouble for himself.

Prabhupāda: No, he is creating trouble for himself because the rascals will represent that, "I am incarnation of God." Therefore Arjuna is asking Him, "Now show me Your virāṭa-rūpa." So these rascals, bewildered by these so-called Gods, they should ask, "Show me your virāṭa-rūpa. Then I shall accept you." That is the process. Not that "I am incarnation of God." How you become incarnation? Just lift one hill. Huh? Or show me virāṭa-rūpa. Or show me that you have sixteen thousand wives and you are maintaining them in sixteen thousand palaces. Then you call yourself that, "I am incarnation of Kṛṣṇa." Otherwise, you rascal, I cannot believe you. For them. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa . . . he knows what is Kṛṣṇa, but because in future some rascal will come and will say that, "I am incarnation of God," therefore it is a warning that before accepting one rascal as incarnation, you ask him to show virāṭa-rūpa.

Dr. Patel:

manyase yadi tac chakyaṁ

mayā draṣṭum iti prabho

yogeśvara tato me tvaṁ

darśayātmānam avyayam

(BG 11.4)

Prabhupāda: Yes. So because Arjuna was not accustomed to this impersonal theory . . .

Dr. Patel: Even the pastime, rūpa vi . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes. But he wanted to see the virāṭa-rūpa. Therefore he said: "If you think that I shall be able to see, then You can give me."

Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Śrī bhagavān uvāca, paśya me pārtha rūpāṇi śataśo 'tha . . . (BG 11.5)

Prabhupāda: So it was not difficult for Him. Immediately He showed him. That is Kṛṣṇa. Not that, "I shall show you some day privately."

Dr. Patel:

paśya me pārtha rūpāṇi

śataśo 'tha sahasraśaḥ

nānā-vidhāni divyāni

nānā-varṇākṛtīni ca

(BG 11.5)

paśyādityān vasūn rudrān

aśvinau marutas tathā

bahūny adṛṣṭa-pūrvāṇi

paśyāścaryāṇi bhārata

(BG 11.6)

Prabhupāda: Just like Mother Yaśodā saw within the mouth of Kṛṣṇa the whole universe.

Dr. Patel: The whole universe.

ihaika-sthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁ

paśyādya sa-carācaram

mama dehe guḍākeśa

yac cānyad draṣṭum icchasi

(BG 11.7)

na tu māṁ śakyase draṣṭum

anenaiva sva-cakṣuṣā

divyaṁ dadāmi te cakṣuḥ

paśya me yogam aiśvaram

(BG 11.8)

Prabhupāda: Ah. "Because you are not accustomed to see this virāṭa form, therefore I give you special vision to see it."

Dr. Patel:

evam uktvā tato rājan

mahā-yogeśvaro hariḥ

darśayāmāsa pārthāya

paramaṁ rūpam aiśvaram

(BG 11.9)

Prabhupāda: So this virāṭa-rūpa is subordinate. Darśayāmāsa hari. Hari is the Supreme. And the virāṭa-rūpa is a feature, not that virāṭa-rūpa is original.

Dr. Patel: One of the features of His multiple features.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Virāṭa-rūpa. Not that the . . . māyāvādīs take the virāṭa-rūpa is the origin, and this rūpa, Kṛṣṇa, that is māyā. Therefore they are called Māyāvādīs. But actually, Hari manifested or exhibited . . .

Dr. Patel: One of his multiple . . .

Prabhupāda: Multiple features.

Dr. Patel:

aneka-vaktra-nayanam

anekādbhuta-darśanam

aneka-divyābharaṇaṁ

divyānekodyatāyudham

divya-mālyāmbara-dharaṁ

divya-gandhānulepanam

sarvāścarya-mayaṁ devam

anantaṁ viśvato-mukham

(BG 11.10-11)

divi sūrya-sahasrasya

bhaved yugapad utthitā

yadi bhāḥ sadṛśī sā syād

bhāsas tasya mahātmanaḥ

(BG 11.12)

He had thousands and millions of features.

tatraika-sthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁ

pravibhaktam anekadhā

apaśyad deva-devasya

śarīre pāṇḍavas tadā

(BG 11.13)

tataḥ sa vismayāviṣṭo

hṛṣṭa-romā dhanañjayaḥ

praṇamya śirasā devaṁ

kṛtāñjalir abhāṣata

(BG 11.14)

Now Arjuna said. Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Arjuna uvāca. These boys understand this, all of them? All of them understand?

Prabhupāda: Yes. No, I will explain.

Chandobhai: They can hear.

Dr. Patel: Now Arjuna says, paśyāmi devāṁs tava deva dehe sarvāṁs tathā bhūta-viśeṣa . . . (BG 11.15)

Prabhupāda: Devāṁs, devāṁs. Tava deva dehe means, "Devas, the demigods, they are part and parcel of Your virāṭa-rupa." They are not independent. Just like this finger is part of my this whole body, similarly, all these devas, these demigods . . . that is explained previously: ye 'py anya-devatā bhaktā yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ, te 'pi mām eva (BG 9.23). If you give something to my finger, that is to be given to my body. But that is avidhi-pūrvakam. The thing's to be given to the mouth, not in the hand. But their logic is, because everything is the same, why not here? That is Māyāvāda. Yes.

Dr. Patel:

paśyāmi devāṁs tava deva dehe

sarvāṁs tathā bhūta-viśeṣa-saṅghān

brahmāṇam īśaṁ kamalāsana-stham

ṛṣīṁś ca sarvān uragāṁś ca divyān

(BG 11.15)

Prabhupāda: Yes, brahmā rāmeśvaram. Rāmeśvara means Viṣṇu. Rāma īśvara; and Brahmā, Lord Brahmā, and . . .

Dr. Patel: Kamalāsana-stham ṛṣīṁṣ sarvān urugāṁṣ ca divyān. All wonderful things.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Dr. Patel:

aneka-bāhūdara-vaktra-netraṁ

paśyāmi tvāṁ sarvato 'nanta-rūpam

nāntaṁ na madhyaṁ na punas tavādiṁ

paśyāmi viśveśvara viśva-rūpa

(BG 11.16)

kirīṭinam gadinaṁ cakriṇaṁ ca

tejo-rāśiṁ sarvato dīptimantam . . .

(BG 11.17)

Prabhupāda: Now even in His virāṭa-rūpa, He is person, kirīṭina. He has got helmet, kirīṭina. Then?

Dr. Patel:

. . . paśyāmi tvāṁ durnirīkṣyaṁ samantād

dīptānalārka-dyutim aprameyam

(BG 11.17)

tvam akṣaraṁ paramaṁ veditavyaṁ

tvam asya viśvasya paraṁ nidhānam

tvam avyayaḥ śāśvata-dharma-goptā

sanātanas tvaṁ puruṣo mato me

(BG 11.18)

He is now frightened after seeing these things.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Must be frightened. Now, suppose all of a sudden if you see a very big person, you will not be frightened? Because you are not accustomed to see that.

Dr. Patel: Yes. Anādi-madhyāntam ananta-vīryam ananta-bāhuṁ śaśi-sūrya-netram paśyāmi tvāṁ dīpta-hutāśa-vaktraṁ . . . (BG 11.19)

Prabhupāda: Now here is one important thing: śaśi-sūrya-netram. The śaśi, the moon, and the sun are the two eyes of God. Now in Brahma-saṁhitā it is also confirmed, yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇām (Bs. 5.52). So in the Upaniṣads it is said: "When God sees, then you can see." So this . . . when the sunrise is there, that means when God sees, you can see. In the darkness you cannot see. And still, you are proud of your eyes. Yes. Without God seeing, you cannot see. And still, these rascals are proud of their eyes: "I can . . . can you show me?" How you can see? First of all you have to see through the Supreme.

Dr. Patel: Sva-tejasā viśvam idaṁ tapantam (BG 11.19).

Prabhupāda: And another significance is that you cannot hide yourself from the seeing of the Supreme. You cannot make anything hiding. Because even in the womb there is sunshine, sunlight. So He is seeing there. Apart from being the Paramātmā, from materially also, His eyes are always there. So you cannot do anything hiding. That is not possible.

Dr. Patel:

dyāv ā-pṛthivyor idam antaraṁ hi

vyāptaṁ tvayaikena diśaś ca sarvāḥ

dṛṣṭvādbhutaṁ rūpam ugraṁ tavedaṁ

loka-trayaṁ pravyathitaṁ mahātman

(BG 11.20)

All are frightened.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

amī hi tvāṁ sura-saṅghā viśanti

kecid bhītāḥ prāñjalayo gṛṇanti

svastīty uktvā maharṣi-siddha-saṅghāḥ

stuvanti tvāṁ stutibhiḥ puṣkalābhiḥ

(BG 11.21)

rudrādityā vasavo ye ca sādhyā

viśve 'śvinau marutaś coṣmapāś ca . . .

(BG 11.22)

Prabhupāda: So everyone is worshiping Him.

Dr. Patel:

. . . gandharva-yakṣāsura-siddha-saṅghā

vīkṣante tvāṁ vismitāś caiva sarve

(BG 11.22)

Rūpaṁ mahat te bahu-vaktra-netraṁ . . .

(BG 11.23)

Prabhupāda: They do not understand. If you go on simply reading . . .

Dr. Patel: But you say read, so I read. You order me, I stop.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Shall I read again?

Prabhupāda: What is that line?

Dr. Patel: There were so many lines. I will again. Aneka divya . . . divi-sūrya-sahasrasya bhaved yugapad utthitā . . .

Prabhupāda: Ah, this is the comparison now, that divi, "In the sky, if there were thousands of suns at a time, then the brilliance of the virāṭa-rūpa could be understood." This is an example.

Dr. Patel: He saw everyone in Him.

divi sūrya-sahasrasya

bhaved yugapad utthitā

'yadi bhāḥ sadṛṣī sā syād

bhāsas tasya mahātmanaḥ

(BG 11.12)

Tatraikasthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁ. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . in Him. Then he got . . .

Dr. Patel: Then he got frightened, and then he . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: The varieties, varieties. The varieties he is seeing. That is the vision of the Vaiṣṇava. The Vaiṣṇavas also know that everything is one, but he sees the variety.

Dr. Patel: I will read again from this.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) (end)