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750321 - Lecture SB 01.02.06 Hindi - Calcutta

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

750321SB-CALCUTTA - March 21, 1975 - 48:47 Minutes

(Hindi translated into English)

Nitāi: Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. (devotees repeat) (leads chanting of verse, etc.)

sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo
yato bhaktir adhokṣaje
ahaituky apratihatā
yayātmā suprasīdati
(SB 1.2.6)

(break) (00:56)


sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo
yato bhaktir adhokṣaje
ahaituky apratihatā
yayātmā suprasīdati
(SB 1.2.6)

(Hindi throughout)

Religion as it is understood in English, as mentioned in the dictionary, a kind of faith, I have taken my birth in a home of a Hindu therefore I have faith in Hindu dharma, If I have taken birth in Muslim home, I have faith in Muslim religion. So in dictionary religion is mentioned as a kind of faith, but Bhagavat dharma is different. It is not faith dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19). Religion means, if we accept what God has said as it is, it is called religion, God comes personally and explains that sarva-dharmān parityajya mam ekam śaraṇaṁ vraja: (BG 18.66), this is religion, all others are not religion. A religion where God is not understood, as to what is God, what is our relationship with God and how to perform our duties in accordance to that relation. If one does not understand these things, then he does not know anything about religion. If there is only a sentiment that, "this is my religion, I follow this" as per scriptures that is not proper religion. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19), praṇītam means manufactured. God is eternal and what God is saying that is also eternal, all the things in association of God are eternal, God is eternal, His form is eternal, His qualities are eternal, His activities are eternal, His abode is eternal, God's devotees are eternal, everything is eternal. So dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19), that is why this particular sloka in Bhagavatam, as Suta Goswami is saying sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo. Paro means, eternal or transcendental. There are two things superior and inferior, material nature has two things superior energy and inferior energy, God has explained in Bhagavad-gītā.

bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ
khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca
(BG 7.4)

Apareyam viddhi me prakṛtiṁ (BG 7.5) apareyam this material things, earth, water, fire, air, sky these are inferior energy and superior energy is like God says apareyam itas tv anyāṁ prakṛtiṁ viddhi me parām. There is superior energy, how is it? jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat (BG 7.5). The living entities, like we all are living entities, animal, which has life, they are superior energy and the material body is inferior energy, why? This inferior body, why is it called inferior, because it is not going to exist forever, temporary, it is temporary, it is not going to sustain and the living entity, who has accepted this body dehi asmin yathā dehe, asmin dehe, the proprietor or the occupier of this body. There are two things in a house, there is one owner of the house and there is one occupier, tenant. The tenant is not the owner, owner is different. Similarly there are two souls residing in this body, one is occupier, the living entity, to whom this body has been given, "you take this body". He cannot refuse,

iśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati
bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni
yantrārūḍhāni māyayā
(BG 18.61)

God is residing in every ones heart, in your heart, my heart, and he knows everything, past, present, future. As we desire, we pray to God, "O lord please give me these facilities", and God gives it. Is it difficult for God, God is giving everything, and if I want something else, then God gives that also. If someone prays to God, that "O lord, make me capable of eating everything, no distinction", then God gives a body of a hog, take it eat up to stool, there is no discrimination. God gives such a body that he eats stool with great pleasure, "God give me such a body so that I can eat lot of meat and blood". Ok, become a tiger. God gives these bodies bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrā rūḍhāni māyayā (BG 18.61), I have a desire to go all over the world and I create many variety of desires icchā-dveṣa samutthena sarge yānti parantapa (BG 7.27), some things I desire and some things I hate, these things I don’t want and these things I want. So desire and hate, two things are there with us, some things we don’t like and some things we like, So according to that, based on what I like, God gives us one body. That is why, it is mentioned in the scriptures, that the living entity is sitting in the body, just like everyone sits in a car, there is one driver and there is one owner and the car is also there. So that car is this body, machine, just like a car is a machine, similarly, this body is also a machine, and driver and there are two people sitting one is a driver and other is the owner, and as the owner instructs, the driver drives. This is going on, two souls, one Super soul and the living entity, are sitting in this body That is mentioned in the Upanishad also, there are two birds sitting on one tree, one is eating the fruits of the tree and the other is just watching, So the Super soul which is watching, is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and one who is enjoying the fruits working hard with this body is the living entity, there are two. So the whole world is going on like this only by illusion, all the living entities are thinking that I am this body and the objective of my life is to enjoy my body, this is called illusion.

yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke
sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij
janeṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ
(SB 10.84.13)

Go-kharaḥ means, go means cow and kharah means ass, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke this material body is made up of three types of elements kapha, pitta, vāyu according to Ayurveda kapha, pitta, vāyu This body is like a bag kuṇap, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke, It is a bag made of three elements, bones, mass, blood, stool, urine, all things mixed makes a material body, and such a body, if one thinks that he is this material body, I am Hindu, Muslim, I am Indian, I am American, by the contact of this body if one gives his identity and the things related to this body, like country, family, children, wife, these are all things related to body sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu, kalatra means women, wife, kalatrādi. If one is married there are children from the wife, they are also mine, and wife is mine, and the land in relation to this body is also mine, nationalism and the family I have taken birth in is mine, this material conception Ahaṁ mameti (SB 5.5.8).

In reality I am a part and parcel of God, a living soul, the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself is saying mamai-vamso jiva-bhutah, God says, this living entity is My part and parcel manaḥ-ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati (BG 15.7). This living entity is trapped in this material world and by getting attached to mind and senses prakṛti-sthāni karṣati he fights in this material world to become happy, struggle for existence. All day we work hard, get one motor car, beyond that get another motor car, we work hard day and night, what is reason for this? struggle for existence, Everyone knows that we cannot stay here, one day everyone has to die, but he wants that I live here and not die, all karmis think, they are not worried about death. They are trying to forget death, thinking I will not die and in the scriptures, Canakya pandit has also mentioned in niti sastra, that a karmi should think that he will not die, he should think that he will live for ever, then he can work very nicely and one who is jnani and a devotee, he should think that I have to die the next moment, I will die now. This is the difference, and before I die I understand, so that I do not get such a body in which I have will have to become a street dog and bark. These are the thoughts of jnani and devotees. In future one is bound to get a body tathā dehāntara-prāptir (BG 2.13), by force I have to accept, just like just now I was saying, if a young man is thinking that I will not grow old, because in old age, there are many difficulties, just like I have become old, they don’t want to become old, by drinking some medicines, applying cosmetics, and make up, they want to remain young. But material nature makes him old by force. Just like by force I have to accept the body of a old man, if I say I don’t want it, nobody will listen, similarly, when I leave this body, I will get another body tathā dehāntara-prāptir (BG 2.13). I cannot stop this, and what body I will get that should be understood, otherwise I will get a body that is a fact. Some fools say that after death everything is finished bhasmī-bhūtasya dehasya kutaḥ punar āgamano bhavet. This is what the atheist say, one who does not have knowledge, but we are not after getting knowledge from the fools. We should accept knowledge from spiritual master, and who is the spiritual master of all, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa, He is the spiritual master of all.

First spiritual master is Brahmaji, and Brahmaji's guru is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Tene brahma hṛdāādi-kavaye (SB 1.1.1), ādi-kavaye is Brahma, who has given knowledge even to him that is Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya (SB 1.1.1), this is the instruction of the scriptures, caitya guru. So we accept knowledge from God, or one who is a representative of God, who have faith in God, who have made God as their spiritual master, this is guru parampara, God Himself is saying evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2) parampara, God is spiritual master and who has listened directly from God, just like Arjuna, he is also Guru, and who has listened from Arjuna, he is also guru, that is guru parampara. Spiritual master is not a cheat, anyone comes and becomes a spiritual master, No, Spiritual master is a representative of God ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān navamanyeta karhicit (SB 11.17.27) God is saying that ācarya is like Me, ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān navamanyeta karhicit, do not take him as an ordinary man, it is Me. So we have to accept knowledge through the guru parampara system.

So God says Tathā dehāntara-prāptir (BG 2.13), there is no doubt about that, that the body change takes place, and how does that change of body take place that is also mentioned in the scriptures yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvaṁ tyajaty ante kalevaram (BG 8.6). At the time of death whatever type of thoughts are there in the heart, one will get a body according to that. Everything is mentioned. So us living entities para prakriti, apareyam itas tv anyāṁ prakṛtiṁ viddhi me parām jīva-bhūtāṁ (BG 7.5), this living entity is para prakriti, it is prakriti, not purusa, God Himself is saying. One who wants to become purusa, purusa means enjoyer, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram (BG 5.29). That is a purusa, enjoyer of everything and lord of everything, that is purusa, enjoyer bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram, Just like in our Hindu religion till date, males are considered to be chief, till date as far as I know in India, wife asks the husband in the morning, today what do you desire to eat? And men say make this, that, etc today, So wife along with the servants make the food as per the desire of the men and everyone eats, till date as far as I know. So similarly purusa means, by his instruction everything is going on, that is purusa puruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyam (BG 10.12) by listening to Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna says to God, that "You are paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān puruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ (BG 10.11-12) You are the enjoyer". purusa means master, one who is giving orders, by his orders everything goes on, this is purusa.

So God's names are mahāpurusa, param puruṣa, puruṣa avatār, all these are there in the scriptures, Vishnu is called puruṣa avatār. puruṣa śāśvatam, eternally enjoyers, it is not that recently He became purusa and earlier He was formless, No, Eternally, śāśvatam. So similarly, one who is supreme enjoyer and the devotional service to that supreme enjoyer yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6), adhokṣaja, adha akṣaja, akṣaja jñānam adhakṛta, that puruṣa who is not visible in front of our eyes, but He exists, that is correct. How one knows this? sastra caksusha, according to the scriptures one should gain knowledge, who is the supreme enjoyer. Not only by scriptures, but Lord Himself is coming and telling us, this is India's good fortune, that God Himself is coming and displaying His pastimes, and tries to make us understand, that what is God. Iit is not an imagination. All life we are thinking what is God, what is God, but God is there in front of you, try to see. So, paśyann api na paśyati (SB 2.1.4), this is called illusion, māyā-javanikācchannam (SB 1.8.19). Just like, some body's father on a stage is acting in a play and his son is sitting. He is asking the mother, where is father? He is seeing in front of him father is acting in a play, but, since māyā-javanikācchannam the dress has changed, so he is not able to see naṭo nāṭya-dharo yathā (SB 1.8.19).

So we have created religion, Hindu Religion, Muslim religion, Christian religion and many others we have made, but the real religion as mentioned in Bhagvatam, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6), adhokṣaje, Adhaḥ kṛta akṣaja jñānaṁ yatra. One who could not be understood by the present material intelligence He is called adhokṣaje, adhokṣaja, Adhaḥ kṛta akṣaja jñānaṁ and the devotional service to adhokṣaja is real religion, paro dharma, eternal religion. In this birth, we have Hindu body, this body is not going to last for long. Suppose, in the next birth I have to accept the body of a Muslim, then it becomes Muslim religion or else in this birth itself if I convert from Hindu to Muslim, then I become Muslim. These things are not religion. This changing business is not called as religion. One that is an eternal religion, that is real religion, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo. paro means eternal, transcendental, beyond this material conception of life, that is called paro dharma.

So as mentioned in Bhagavatam, one should go to paro dharma. paro dharma means nivritti dharma, and aparo dharma means pravritti dharma. Ordinary religion, which we have accepted, remain in the world and perform good work, then go to heaven and be born again in a rich man's house and enjoy sense gratification, everyone wants this, this is called aparo dhrama. apara means, they desire the material elements, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ (BG 7.4). this is called apara dharma and one who understood that all these material things is a covering, my dress, and in reality I am, aham brahmasi, I am eternal being. One who understands that I am eternal soul, for him religion is different, that is called paro dharma. So when we come from apara dharma to para dharma, then we will be happy. This is instructed,

sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo
yato bhaktir adhokṣaje
ahaituky apratihatā
yayātmā suprasīdati
(SB 1.2.6)

If one wants happiness for the soul then come to para dharma. Don’t remain in apara dharma. There is no happiness in apara dharma, since I am not that thing. Just like a fish, if one takes the fish out of water and keep it on the land, can it be happy? No, it will be uncomfortable. Then if you put is back into the water, then it will be happy. Similarly living entity, apareyam itas tv anyāṁ prakṛtiṁ viddhi me parām (BG 7.5). There is one para prakriti, who is it, living entity, So, until one is not associated with the para prakriti, the living entity cannot be happy. Same example, fish has its association with water, if you remove the fish from water and put it on land, and put it on velvet bed, saying, my dear fish, now nicely sleep on this bed, it will not be happy in that. That is why, scriptures say that you follow such a religion, that you will get complete bliss and you will be happy, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) and how one will find that? That is devotional service there is no other way to it, Not by knowledge, not by fruitive work and not by yoga, because jnani, yogi, karma all these are associated with apara, or material religion.

That means a jnani, is baffled by the material world and he thinks that I should merge with the Supreme, and then only I can be saved from this material suffering. They are after sahujya mukti, merging with the Lord, ekatam, this is the objective of a jnani, and yogi is after siddhi, If I can fly in the sky, hundreds of people will follow me, if I can walk on water, then there will be many followers, they want some perfection, want to show some magic, yogi, but they have a desire. Even jnani's they have desire, they want liberation and karmi are full of desires, material happiness. That is why, they can never be happy, since they have material desires, I want this and one who is a devotee of the Lord, he has no material desires, that is why, only he can be happy. In Caitanya Caritamrta it is said bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmīsakali "aśānta" kṛṣṇa-bhakta—niṣkāma, ataeva "śānta" (CC Madhya 19.149) Those who are after bhukti-mukti-siddhi that means karmi, jnani and yogi, they are asking for something, therefore they cannot have peace, and a devotee does not want anything, just aspires to be engaged in God's service,

na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ
kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye
mama janmani janmanīśvare
bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi
(CC Antya 20.29)

This was taught by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That is why, all scriptures say the same thing. That is why, Suta Goswami says yayātmā suprasīdati, if one wants happiness for the soul, is looking for peace, then yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) Lord adhokṣaje avan mānasa gocara, one has to perform devotional service at His lotus feet, this is the only way sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje ahaituky and there should not be any motive in that, that I will perform devotional service, so that I can get something from God, to get something more. Ordinary people go like this only, that is also good, In Bhagavad-gītā it is said catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtinaḥ arjuna. Four kinds of people, who are those,

catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ
janāḥ sukṛtino 'rjuna
ārto arthārthī jijñāsur
jñānī (ca bharatarṣabha)
(BG 7.16)

Artho means one who is sad, in many ways sad because of the body, because of the world they go to God, to pray, that O my Lord, this is my misery, kindly help me, So God will help, there is no difficulty in that for God. And Artharthi means, one who has no money they pray to God, So God gives that also, there is no difficulty. And jnani is one who do not want money but they want to know what is God in reality, that is jnani and jijnasu, inquisitive, just like we go to market and ask for the rates. Similarly, people talk a lot about God, what is God, that is inquisitive so inquisitive, jnani, artha and artharthi, those who are going to God for something, in scriptures they are called catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ janāḥ sukṛtino, sukrtino, they are pious. Though they are going to God to ask something, that is their foolishness, still, they are pious, because they somehow or other approached God and one who does not God at all, he is called duskritina. One is called sukritino, sukriti, pious, and one who do not approach God for any reason, they are duskritino. That is greatly sinful duskriti. kriti means, one who is doing good. kriti means one who has good intelligence, but they are applying their intelligence in sinful activities they are called duskritina and if the same intelligence if one applies in pious activities they are called sukritino. So those who are sukriti, they go to God to ask something, they are not pure devotees, still they are called pious, and one who does not go to God, and do not believe in God at all, they are called duskritina, na mam duskritina mudha (BG 7.15) and duskriti is also called by one more adjective, mudha, i.e an ass, na mam duskritina mudha prapadyante naradhama, they are also give one more name naradhama, that is the lowest of the mankind and there are other names māyayāpahṛta-jñānā, one whose knowledge was taken away by maya, āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ.

So if one wants to be really happy, yenātmā suprasīdati, if one wants to happiness of the soul, then one has to accept this process. What is that? paro dharma, not apara dharma, not materialism, and not becoming zero also, and not merging with the Lord also, but accept Bhagavad religion. God is there, God is the master, we all are His servants and as God is saying, we should accept that, this is called religion. Besides this whatever else we accept as religion is cheating, this is mentioned in the scriptures dharmaḥ projjhita kaitava atra (SB 1.1.2) All the cheating type of religions, that means, in reality they are cheating, but going on in the name of religion, that is projjhita kaitava atra it is swept out with a broom. Just like, we clean our house and throw all the dirt out with a broom, in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, those cheating type of religions are swept away with a broom. Real religion is this Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) Religion is that by following which one will develop devotional service at the lotus feet of the Lord, that is called religion, and if you want happiness you will have to follow such a religion only.

If you follow some other religion, basically it is cheating, and one will certainly be trapped in that and the life will be spoiled. This is also mentioned in the scriptures mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ (SB 1.1.10) This is what is going to happen in Kali yuga and it is happening also prāyeṇālpāyuṣaḥ (SB 1.1.10). In this age, age is very less, in Kali yuga one can live till 100 years, one has that much limit, but now a days who is living that long that will decrease slowly slowly. As kali-yuga will progress, age, mercy, strength and religion, will decrease and one can see it is happening also, now a days who is living 100 years. If someone is alive for 60 to 70 years everyone things he is very old, and as the age progresses, man will only live for 20 to 30 years and he will be accepted as old, this is mentioned in the scriptures. So, āyur harati in this way age is diminishing and I the living entity is trapped in this body and that is why as long as I will get this material body till then I will have to suffer, this is the rule of material nature, rule of material nature, mātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ (BG 2.14)

This material body, enjoyment and suffering is experienced on account of this body, this is not the souls enjoyment or suffering. So if you want happiness of the soul, if you want happiness, then you will have to follow this religion, paro dharma, Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) Lord Adhokṣaje, one of the names of the Lord is Adhokṣaje, one must perform devotional service at His lotus feet and if you do not do it, then keep on suffering, that is your business. Otherwise from our side it is proper for us to inform you, whatever is the truth, to inform about that, this is what Kṛṣṇa Consciousness movement is doing all over the world. If you want to be happy then accept devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead and if you want to eternally Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19) want to leave one body and accept another one and want to suffer in this way, then that is your business. But if you want to be relived from misery and want ultimate happiness, if you want to go to God yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama (BG 15.6) this all is instructed in the scriptures, in Bhagavad-gītā, but it is a very sad thing that we are all reading Bhagavad-gītā and we do not understand this thing, and they are big big scholars, big big scholars, big big politicians, they all are reading Bhagavad-gītā, but no one is saying that Kṛṣṇa is Supreme Personality of Godhead. They remove Kṛṣṇa from it, their policy is remove Kṛṣṇa and become God, become avatar, all this cheating is going on. So by such cheating religion, one will never benefit. The real religion, paro dharma, accept that, and accept devotional service, by performing it yayātmā suprasīdati. For example, just like Dhruva Mahārāja, Dhruva Mahārāja was pious, he was a little unhappy materially. His step mother insulted him, that you cannot sit on the lap of your father, because you were not born of my womb. By this insult, he asked his mother and mother was unhappy, that what can I do your father does not listen to me and he does not consider me even a servant, so what can I do. If Supreme Personality of Godhead makes you happy, then you can become happy. So where is God? He is a child. So mother said, I have heard that God is found in the forest big big saintly persons go to forest in search of God.

So he went to the forest and did a lot of austerities, and in his heart there was a desire that I would make such a kingdom which will be even bigger than my father. That is why he performed austerities, and when he saw the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he forgot the objective for which he did the austerities. He went for the kingdom, but when he saw the Lord in reality, he said "O Lord, now I do not want anything." He had come to perform austerities for a kingdom, but when he saw the Lord . . . this is a provision, if someone goes to God for some material thing, though it is not proper, still it is a chance, and one day it will so happen that they will want nothing and they will just want the Lord, this is proper. That is why they are called pious. They will forget everything and only love God, this is the benefit, and those who are demons, atheist, they have no benefit. Whatever benefit they get from this body that much only, and one has to leave this body and as per their work they will have to accept another body and enjoy or suffer in that, that is not proper. So one should only follow that religion in which one really becomes happy and peaceful and that is yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) and ahaituky apratihatā. That devotional service apratihatā there cannot be any hindrance by the material things. If someone thinks I am poor how can I perform devotional service? No. And someone says I am rich, how will I do devotional service. No. Everyone can do it, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhir, remain in your position, there is no question of rich or poor, śruti-gatāṁ, listen to topics about God, there is benefit in this. That is why we have made these centers and are making all of you members, so that everyone can participate, because other than talking about God we have no business. We do not have politics, no sociology and so called science.In this everything is scientific jñānaṁ vijñānam, sa-vijñānam (BG 7.2), God Himself is saying, you want knowledge, it is scientific. Topics about God has everything, Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). If you can understand God nicely then you will understand every science properly. We are challenging big big scientist, psychologist, physiologist. These people are going all over the world, in Russia atheist, we are challenging them also, and by God's grace, we are becoming successful also everywhere. Otherwise, I am not even a scientist or even a psychologist, but by God's grace we are always successful. sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6) just accept this mantra and follow it sincerely then you will be happy in every way, yenātmā me prasīdati. This is my only request.

Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. (applause) Hari bol.

Prabhupada: Why would God be formless? Why do you think God is formless? You all are God's part and parcel, you all have got forms, but one who is the whole has no form ? Just like, this finger, is a part of my body. It also has a form, if this has a form then the whole body why will it not have a form? What is this logic? Tell me. If the finger in your body has a form, then the whole body, does not have a form ? Those who are thinking God to be formless, there are two things, one is that he has not understood God and formless means whose form cannot be conceived, that is formless. So God's form, just like the virat rupa, where are His legs and hands we cannot conceive. That is why formless, but God is so much merciful that in order to give you darsana, whatever His form is He is present here, see Him and try to understand. This is called arcā-vigraha This is God’s form only, otherwise, the form that you can understand, in that form God has come here out of His mercy.

See His form. God is not formless, For example brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate (SB 1.2.11), God's formless aspect is called as Brahma, just like the sunrays, sun planet and within the sun planet sun god, this is there. There is sun god, we get this information from the scriptures imaṁ vivasvate yoga proktavān aham avyayam (BG 4.1). God says, I told about sun god earlier, so sun god is not formless, Similarly the sun planet is also not formless, and sun rays also have form but it is very widespread, so understand since it is widespread, it is called formless, So sunrays, sun planet and sun god are there, light, take formless or with form, they have light, but one who cannot reach the sun planet, they are satisfied with the sunrays only and if one has strength then he can go to the sun planet and he can meet sun god Vivasvan who is within that planet. So these brahmavadi's do not have so much strength that they can see God as of now, it will take time. That's it for today. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee: This world has been created by God’s desire?

Prabhupada: No, by your desire. This jail is constructed, since government knows that there will be some criminals. King does not want that there should be a jail and spent so much money on that, he does not want that, but the thieves force the king to construct the jail, that make it, we will stay here. Hare Kṛṣṇa

Devotees: Haribol. (end)