760620 - Morning Walk - Toronto

Morning Walks by Date, 1976

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

760620MW-TORONTO - June 20, 1976 - 37:36 Minutes

Satsvarūpa: Of course, evolutionary theory is that in the beginning, all the different species weren't there. Only simple forms, and then they . . . more complex ones came about.

Prabhupāda: Wherefrom they came? Dropped from the sky?

Satsvarūpa: Some theories.

Prabhupāda: (japa) (break) . . . has joined us, About fifty friends, Indian, they have left him. (break)

Satsvarūpa: I plan to go to Detroit tomorrow. After you leave.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Tomorrow. We are leaving also tomorrow?

Satsvarūpa: Yes. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . of the garden, they are not clean. They should be clean. Just like in front of our, this temple, the footpath is very clean.

Satsvarūpa: There's stones in the garden, washed.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Grass, water it. You should cleanse. Mandira-mārjanādau. That is also bhajana. (break)

Viśvakarmā: Do you think you'll be able to see the temple either today or tomorrow and give me some ideas on how to utilize the building?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.

Viśvakarmā: I can arrange it with Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa, when you're available?

Prabhupāda: Yes. After ten. (japa) (break) . . . lights are working in order, unless there is some supervision above this lighting system. If somebody says: "This is going on automatically," is that very sane? Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram (BG 9.10). Light is matter, combination of glass and iron, and it is going on with order, without any upper supervision? How these rascals say like that? Because immediately they do not see who is pulling on the wire, "There is no . . . nobody there." How poor knowledge they have. And they are passing on as scientist. Why you are stopping car if there is no supervision? You can pass on, nobody will see. Why one is afraid of not transgressing?

Satsvarūpa: They know the authority is there.

Prabhupāda: Rascal, how you think there is no authority? There is no sinful life, there is no . . . everything is all right? Go on. Go to hell.

Jagadīśa: I remember, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when I was young I was brought up in the Catholic church, and I learned to fear God and be afraid of God. But then, as I went to high school, due to . . .

Prabhupāda: . . . association, everything is bad. So degraded condition, there is no good association. Therefore I say that we require a first-class man. Section of first-class . . . all third class, fourth class. Even the so-called priests, they are also fourth-class, fifth-class men. Indulging in homosex.

Satsvarūpa: This priest who joined us, who's now your man, he said that although he was a priest, he smoked three packs of cigarettes a day . . .

Prabhupāda: Just see.

Satsvarūpa: . . . and drank all kind of wine. He began to drink wine, he said, because in their mass, in their ceremony, the priest drinks wine. And then then he became addicted.

Prabhupāda: These rascals are priests. And they'll protect religion.

Hari-śauri: We used to have a Reverend who was in charge of our local church when I was a child. And when we used to go on outings—sometimes they used to organize outings for children to the seaside and everything—and they would stop at a public house and they would give refreshments. So all the children would get lemonade, like that, and the grown-ups would go and drink some beer or something. So the . . .

Prabhupāda: Their father, mother drinking, and the child is given some soft drinking. And learning how to drink when he'll grow up.

Hari-śauri: This vicar, he used to sit, and he used to sip small glass of clear liquid. So everyone thought he was drinking water, but then once they checked, and it was pure vodka.

Prabhupāda: While speaking lie, that "I was drinking water." (japa) (break)

Indian man: Jitne Indian hain yahan pe jitne bhi hain saare, mandir nahi aate. Prabhupada kal maine call ki sab Indian they, ye saare kyon nahi aaye! (Whatever Indians are there, whatever number, they do not come to the temple. Prabhupāda, yesterday I called all the Indians. They were all here, but why all of them didn’t come?)

Indian man (2): Main toh last time bhi Prabhupada ji main aap se prayer thi ki kam se kam apna jo apne bhartiya kuch programs hain jo ki radios, television pe agar unpe kam se kam apke ek bhi agar unko matlab message pahunchahya jai jab tak unko maloom na pade ki aap yahan par hain kyonki koi itna woh awareness nahi hai unke andar ki apne aap unko pata chal jaye. Toh main toh last time bhi yahi tha ki agar unko apka program diya jaye wahan par TV ya radio jo khaas kar ke jo Indian Program hai usme ye hai ki logon ko pata lag jai. Ye baat nahi hai ki log aana nahi chahte. (Even last time also Prabhupāda, I have one prayer it is that at least some of our Indian programs on radio, television, If we at least once only means if we broadcast a message, because until the time they know that you are here—because not so much awareness is there, then they will come to know. Last time also it was that information about your program be broadcasted on TV or radio especially in Indian programs on radio and TV then people will know. Actually it is not like that people don’t want to come.)

Prabhupāda: Toh Mandir idhar hua hai, janta nahi hai woh log. Isko bhi kaise batana hai . . . (So the temple is here, they also don’t know. That's also how to tell . . .)

Indian man (2): Ye sab nahi janta hai ji. (Not everyone knows about it.)

Prabhupāda: Achcha. Aisa bhi moorkh hain yahan par. (Really. Such fools like this are also here.)

Indian man (2): Bhaut hai ji aisa bhaut hai. (There are many here, many.)

Indian man: Bhagvan ko toh mante hain, yahan aa kar woh duniya dari paisa banane mein, dollar banane mein lage hain . . . (Everyone believes in God, but after coming here they become busy in hearth and home—making money, busy in making dollars.)

Prabhupāda: Are! paisa chahiye. (Money is needed.)

Indian man: Main thing is propaganda.

Prabhupāda: Toh karo tum log propaganda karo. (So make propaganda, all of you.)

Indian man: Prabhupāda, I'm trying to get one radio station, you know, so far the . . . so that we make a Hare Kṛṣṇa program. So the radio is the big media for . . .

Prabhupāda: Radio mein kuch hoga nahi mandir mein aana padta hai. (Nothing will happen by radio, one has to come to the temple.)

Indian man: Srila prabhupada ji ye kahate hain na ki bhagvan ne Prakriti ki rachna ek glance se ki thi toh phir . . . (indistinct) . . . toh ekdum rachna ki toh usi samay saare animal sab aagyae. (Srila Prabhupāda, it is said that God created prakriti by glancing then . . . (indistinct) . . . so, when there was creation, all the animals came at once at that time.)

Prabhupāda: Ye rachna ek din ki nahi hai. bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19], ek dafe rachna hoti hai murkha logon ko chance diya jata hai. Ye prakriti ka niyam jisk janam hota hai kuch din katata hai kuch din batda hai kuch by product aata hai , dwindling hota hai aur phir khatam hota hai. Ye jaise sarir hai prakriti bhi aisi hi hai. Sarir ka kisi din me janma hua hai kuch din raha hai kuch bada hai kuch baal-bachcha paida kiya hai phir kya hua khatam, ye prakriti hai. Prakriti jab pralay ho jata hai, Jivatma unconcious rahta hai. Phir jab prakriti ki sristi hoti hai jo jaisa avastha me tha waisa aata hai. Phir usko chance diya jata hai. Ab tum apna rasta thik karlo lekin murkh aadmi nahi samajhta hai aur aise murkh gadha ko Guru banke uski bhatak dete hain ki usko phir . . . (indistinct) (This creation is not in one day. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19), once it is created and the foolish persons are given a chance. This is the law of nature, whoever is born, he stays for sometime, grows, produces by-products, dwindling happens and then dies. Just like the body, nature also is similar to it. The body has taken birth, stays for some days, grows to some extent, produces offspring, and then what happens is death—in the same way prakriti is there. When annihilation of prakriti happens, living entities remain unconscious. When again the creation of prakriti takes place, the living entities come in exactly the same state as earlier. Then again chance it is given to him "Now you rectify your ways but foolish living entities don't understand and such foolish asses were cheated by imposter Guru and again the living entities . . . (indistinct) . . .")

Indian man: Prabhupada, yahan pe ,abhi aa raha toh dekh raha tha, itne podhe aur itne . . . (indistinct) . . . rahte hain aur itne bhi mar jaate hain, jiva, atma jo hain saath mein milte hain aur itne . . . (indistinct) . . . karne mein chale jaate hain. Kṛṣṇa in sab ka kaise hisaab-kitaab aur control karte hain? (Prabhupāda, when I was coming here I was observing, here, so many plants, so many . . . (indistinct) . . . are there and so many living entities die, souls come together and so many . . . (indistinct) . . . goes away. How does Kṛṣṇa keep a record and control all of them?)

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa tumahre jaisa thode hi hai. Tum Kṛṣṇa ko apna jaisa kyon samjhate ho, yahi toh gadhapan hai. Kṛṣṇa hoga, humse thoda jayda hoga aur kya hai. Kupa-man duk, iska naam hai Dr. Frog. Woh Frog kupa mein rahta hain na, usko agar Atlantic ocean ka baat kiya jai usko lagta hai kuan 3ft hai toh 4ft samjho, nahi 5ft samjho ye hai. Usko samjhega kya. Yahi sab bhool hai jo moorkh admi Kṛṣṇa ko samjha hamare jaise hoga nahi toh thoda aur jayada, achcha aur jayda woh saala kahan tak samjhega. (Kṛṣṇa is not like you. Why do you think Kṛṣṇa to be like you, this is rascaldom. Kṛṣṇa will be, may be little more than me what else? Such persons are named as, Kupa-manduk, Dr. Frog. Dr. Frog lives in a well. If he is told about the Atlantic ocean, he assumes that my well is 3ft so the Atlantic may be 4ft, no, no 5ft. What he will understand. This all is a mistake. Those foolish men think Kṛṣṇa to be like them, no may be little more than us, well little more, to what extent that rascal will understand.)

Indian man: Nahi asal mein prabhu ji ek baat hai samajh mein toh waise, almighty hai sarva shaktiman hai sab hai lekin Maya jo hai apne force se aisa kuch bana deti hai ki bhul jata hai. (No, actually prabhu, one thing is there as such we understand. He is almighty, omnipotent but Maya by Her force, makes us forget.)

Prabhupāda: Maya moork ke paas hai, mayam etam taranti te, jo Bhagvan ke charan mein ashray lete hain usko Maya kuch nahi kar sakti. (Fools are in Maya, mayam etam taranti te—for those who have taken shelter of the Lord’s lotus feet, Maya can’t do any harm to him.)

Indian man: Ye toh baat hai. (Very true.)

Prabhupāda: Toh Maya mein kyon jaate ho? (Why do you go to Maya then?)

Indian man: Prabhupāda, I'd like to ask one question. See, I am initated by one guru in India, and he's also the Hindu sect of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. We also chant nitāi-gaura hari-bol, hari-bol. So nitāi-gaura chant, sect. So . . .

Prabhupāda: Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ke sampradaya mein anek dhongi hai, uska sab naam hai āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ityadi. Toh tera sampradaya hain, ye sab dhongi hain. (In the sampradaya of Caitanya Mahāprabhu there are many cheaters—their names are āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi etc. So total of thirteen such sampradayas are there, they all are cheaters.)

Indian man: Lekin I was, see, my Guru has two gadis, do gadiyan hain one hai Vrndavan mein hain aur dusra hamare yahan Gujrat mein jo hai Narmada hai uske kinare par hai. (But, I was, see, my guru has two ashramas, two ashrams are there one is in Vṛndāvana and other is in Gujrat on the banks of Narmada river.)

Prabhupāda: Hum gaya tha udhar. (I visited there.)

Indian man: Rasa Bihari Swami Maharaj, woh apko pechante honge na, woh bhi bolte they mujhko, toh uska kya rai hai apki. (Rasa Bihari Swami Mahārāja, he must know you, he also was telling me, so what is Your opinion about him?)

Prabhupāda: Uske pas ek aurat tha. (He was having one woman with him.)

Indian man: Pardon.

Prabhupāda: Uske pas ek aurat tha. (He was having one woman with him.)

Indian man: Han, han. (Yes, yes.)

Prabhupāda: Seva dasi.

Indian man: Rasa Bihari Swami Maharaj.

Prabhupāda: Han, unke pas ek aurat tha ki nahi? (Yes, he was having one woman with him or not?)

Indian man: Hum toh naya naya bhakta hua hai Prabhupada ji, humko pata nahi. (I am a new devotee Prabhupāda, I don’t know.) (laughing in background)

Prabhupāda: Khair, pure Vaishnava nahi hai. (Well, not a pure Vaisnava.)

Indian man: Han, han. (Yes, yes.)

Prabhupāda: Khair, pure Vaishnava nahi hai. (Well, not a pure Vaisnava.)

Indian man (2): Isaara toh de diya na! (Hint is given to you.)

Indian man: Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa . . .

Indian man (2): Prabhupāda? Are Viṣṇu-loka and Kṛṣṇa-loka the same?

Prabhupāda: They are spiritual world.

Indian man (2): Guru ji ye do sabda hai haribol and hariom, usme kuch jayda antar nahi hai. (Guru ji, there are two words Haribol and Harinama, is there some difference between them?)

Prabhupāda: Antar nahi hai. (No difference is there.)

Indian man (2): Koi antar nahi hai. (No difference is there?)

Indian man (1): Prabhupada ji duniya ki ek ladai ho rahi hai atomic war uspar apki kya vichardhara hai woh kab suru hogi? (Prabhupāda in the world one fight is going on, atomic war. What is your opinion on it? When will it start?)

Prabhupāda: Jab Bhagvan ki iccha hogi woh bhi Maya ka ek khel hai jitna Godless hai na usko sab khatam kar dega. Dhikha dega yahan Bhagvan hai. mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham. Ye maut hai, ye Bhagvan hai. Ye jo Bhagvan ko manta nahi usko dikha dega “dekho ji Bhagvan hai ab dekho jab tak jinda tha dekhne ka koi mauka nahi hai ab mar ke dekho”. Maroge toh tumahara baap bhi tumko rok nahi sakega. (Whenever the Lord desires, then it will happen. It is also one of the plays of Maya. All the godless people will be finished. They will be shown that God is here. Mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham. Death is the Supreme Lord. Those who do not believe in God, they will be shown that "see God is there, see now. As long as one was alive there is no chance to see, now after one is dead, see ”. When you die, even your father will not be able to stop you.)

Indian man (1): Itna-itna bada building banate hain . . . (indistinct) . . . aur Hinduastani koi bhi ho pracahar karta hai dharma ka koi bhi jao, Hare Kṛṣṇa ka koi prachar karne ki baat karte hain toh ye log bhaut bada majak samjhate hain. (Build such a big-big building . . . (indistinct) . . . and any Indian goes to do preaching of religion. If someone preaches Hare Kṛṣṇa, these people consider it a big joke.)

Prabhupāda: Majak kyon samjhate hain . . . (indistinct) . . . svamyam majak acchi tarah se . . . (indistinct) . . . (Why they consider it to be joke . . . (indistinct) . . . self mock well . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Indian man: Maharaj ek dafa janane ke bad toh yeh log realize karte hain ki ye sab cheez hai. (Mahārāja after once knowing they realize that yes all this is true.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi woh unka dos nahi hai bhaut saare dhongi ye sab kharab kar diye hain samjhiye ye bhi aise hi hain. (That is not their fault, actually lots of swindlers have spoiled and they think they are also like them.)

Indian man (1): Abhi kuch dafa bhaut Guru aaya, ek aaya bola ki sex se yoga karne ka . . . (Now a few times many gurus came, one came and said to do yoga with sex . . .)

(indistinct conversation in background)

Indian man: Baaki apna sab vichar toh sab Gita par dete hain. (Else all others give their opinions from Bhagavad-gita.)

Prabhupāda: Isiliye toh arjun gaali diya ye sab saale ne barbad kar diya. (That's why Arjuna abused, this bastard ruined everything.)

Indian man: Bahut hi badnaam kiya hai. (Very maligned.)

Devotee priest (Bhakta Gene): I'm told that . . .

Prabhupāda: Oh, (laughs) how are you?

Bhakta Gene: Very fine, very fine. I'm told that you met with Thomas Merton some years ago. Is this correct?

Prabhupāda: The French?

Bhakta Gene: No, the Cistercian monk from Kentucky.

Prabhupāda: I do not know.

Bhakta Gene: You didn't meet with him? He was supposedly the most prominent mystical writer within the Catholic Church in the past one hundred years. His writings gained tremendous prominence in the past . . . oh, the past twenty-five years.

Prabhupāda: Prominence amongst whom?

Bhakta Gene: Uh, amongst Christians. And non-Christians as well. He made a trip to the East. He had an accident in the East and was electrocuted. Oh, this is some ten years ago now.

Jayādvaita: He wrote that original Introduction for your first Bhagavad-gītā published by Macmillan.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Bhakta Gene: Well, this raises a question in my mind, Your Grace. Within Christianity there has been a history of mysticism from 100 A.D. to the present. Now there have been some prominent mystics, a few prominent mystics, and a great many not so prominent. Now how do you classify these men, these Christian mystics, Protestant as well as Catholic?

Prabhupāda: It is some yogic mysticism. It has nothing to do with spiritual life. They want to see some miracles, generally, ordinary public. So this mystic power, show some miracles and make them astonished. That's all. It has nothing to do with spiritual life.

Bhakta Gene: Perhaps you misunderstood me. I was referring to truly devotional mystics, such as St. John of the Cross, St. Francis of Assisi.

Prabhupāda: If there is devotional service, where is the need of mysticism? There is no need. God is my master, I am His servant. Where there is necessity of this nonsense mysticism?

Bhakta Gene: Well, I think that the term "mysticism," so many people have been playing with, particularly here in the United States.

Prabhupāda: Common people . . . we have nothing to do with so many people. If you are actually servant of God, so God is there, you are servant. So your transaction is there, just to carry out the orders of God, that's all. Why do want mysticism? Just to show some jugglery to the people? You serve God. That's all. And it is very simple thing, what God orders. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). Where is the question of mysticism? There is no question of mysticism. God says: "Just always think of Me. Offer your obeisances and worship Me." That's all. Where is the need of mysticism? It is all jugglery.

Indian man: I tell you, I think there's a wrong conception.

Prabhupāda: You think in your way. There is no meaning in your thinking unless you come to the line.

Indian man: No, sir. There's a wrong conception, that mysticism. They say it comes with the spiritual advancement. I think that's what he's getting at.

Prabhupāda: The problem is that we are suffering in this material world life after life, and our aim is how to again go back to home, back to Godhead. That they do not know. They are showing some mysticism. What that myst . . . stop death? Then I shall see your mysticism. What is this nonsense mysticism? Can you stop death? Is it possible? Then what is the meaning of this mysticism? All bogus. My problem is that I am accepting one body and suffering, because as soon as I get this material body, I have to suffer. Then I am creating another body. I die. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). And again begins another chapter. In this way, from this grass life to the demigods, I am simply changing body and dying and taking birth. This is my problem. So what mysticism will do? But that they do not know, that what is the problem. That is clearly stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9). This is your problem. You are repeatedly taking birth and dying, and so long you are living there are so many troubles. Jarā-vyādhi. Especially old age and disease. So this is the problem. What mysticism will help you? Will the mysticism stop your birth, death, old age and disease? Then that is mysticism. Otherwise, what is the use of such nonsense things? (break) . . . misleading from the real path. They do not know what is the aim of life, what is the problem of life. They create some mysticism, and some rascal people are after them. That's all. "Here is mystic." That's all.

Indian man: How important is the association with the devotees?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ (SB 3.25.25). Therefore sādhu-saṅga wanted, association of devotees. That is wanted. Then our life will be successful. Not mysticism.

Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think Bhakta Gene wants to know if you recognize that there are any great devotees in that Christian tradition.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Satsvarūpa: Do we recognize that any of those Christian saints were great devotees? Did they develop love of God? Or what's the comparison?

Prabhupāda: I do not know. I have not studied Christianity. But if anyone has developed love of . . . that is perfection. So there is no question of my knowing or not knowing. If actually one has developed love for God, he's perfect. That's all.

Bhakta Gene: This is what prompted me to ask my first question, Your Grace. What has brought me here has been my search . . .

Prabhupāda: No, it is God's desire that you are sincere, you have come. Now utilize the association and the opportunity, your life will be successful. We have got enough books to convince you about this science. So you read it.

Bhakta Gene: I am convinced. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Yes. Why one should be after mysticism? What is the benefit?

Bhakta Gene: It was the mystics that brought me here. This was the thing. It was their love of God . . .

Prabhupāda: Where is mystic? We don't show any mystic.

Bhakta Gene: No. The term . . . we're having trouble with the term. The term "mystic" was applied to transcendentalists within the church to show a difference between them and the traditionalists. The traditionalists were those who paid attention to the script.

Prabhupāda: What do you mean by traditionalist?

Bhakta Gene: The traditionalists are strictly the old Roman Catholic traditionalists.

Prabhupāda: No, apart from Roman or . . . what do you mean by traditionalist?

Bhakta Gene: Those who abided by tradition rather than the scriptures.

Prabhupāda: Oh, scripture, they have no respect for scripture?

Bhakta Gene: Well, they had respect for scriptures, but they had more respect for tradition, ritualistic laws.

Prabhupāda: What is the tradition?

Satsvarūpa: The way the church would apply the ritual rather than actually trying to . . .

Prabhupāda: But that is required. That is required. Just like we are worshiping the Deity. This is traditional, from time immemorial. So how you can reject? This is the way. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam (SB 7.5.23). That is bhakti way.

Bhakta Gene: But so much of the tradition within the Roman Church has no reference to any scripture.

Prabhupāda: No, no, that has not been properly done. Otherwise, just like here, we have got temple, regulative principle. If it is done properly, the result will be there. If it is improperly done, then there is no result. How these boys, European, American, they never knew what is Kṛṣṇa . . . but on account of this following the traditionalism, they are becoming devotees. It is practical, you can see. Simply theoretical knowledge will not do. Must be practiced. That is traditional. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt (Upadeśāmṛta 3). That is the Nectar of Instruction. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt. This is traditional. One has to follow the traditional rules and regulations. Utsāhān dhairyāt niścayād tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt (Upadeśāmṛta 3). First of all one must be enthusiastic, "I shall become devotee." Then, utsāhān dhairyāt, with patience. Then niścayāt, with conviction, "Yes, I am following the rules and it will be successful." And tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt: you have to follow the traditional rules and regulations. Sato vṛtteḥ, you must be honest. Sādhu-saṅga (CC Madhya 22.83): and these things in the association of devotees. Ṣaḍbhir bhaktiḥ prasidhyati. Then your bhakti, devotional life, will be successful.

Satsvarūpa: Some of these Christian mystics would say it's more important to directly contact God within your own heart, these traditions are not as important.

Prabhupāda: God is there already. Where is the contact? God is there already. It is no question of contacting. He is already, but you are blind, you cannot see. Therefore if you follow the rules and regulations, then you'll see. You'll see. Otherwise, we'll not see. God is there. God is everywhere. God is here. Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham (BS 5.35). You have no eyes to see.

Bhakta Gene: These are almost the very words that Francis of Assisi stated.

Prabhupāda: Yes. His question was raised in Melbourne. And that is perfectional. He was embracing tree. So I told, "This is perfection." Perfection means he'll see everywhere God and everything in God. That is perfection.

Hari-śauri: I think we should go back now, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Yes. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam. Mayā. You just explain this verse.

mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ

jagad avyakta-mūrtinā

mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni

na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ

(BG 9.4)

You understand this?

Jayādvaita: Yes. Kṛṣṇa says that, "Everything is resting in Me. I am present all over the universe, impersonally. I can't be seen. Everything is resting on Me. At the same time, I'm outside of everything. I'm independent." He maintains His personality.

Prabhupāda: Na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ. "I'm not there." So this is conception of God. Nothing can exist without God. But that does not mean everything is God. We have to understand this philosophy.

Indian man: I just want to ask . . . Bhaktisiddhānta Prabhu, Bhaktisiddhānta, your spiritual master. How you spent the days, your young age, with Bhaktisiddhānta?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Indian man: Yes. Bhaktisiddhānta, your spiritual master . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Young age? I was not with him. I was householder. But I used to meet with him. I was following his instructions.

Devotee: Jaya.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . valley? Don Valley? No.

Viśvakarmā: That's another section, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: That verse, can anyone remember? Yatra yogeśvaraḥ hariḥ? Huh?

Indian man:

yatra yogeśvaraḥ kṛṣṇo

yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ

tatra śrīr vijayo bhūtir

dhruvā nītir matir mama

(BG 18.78)

Prabhupāda: Yes. So what is the explanation?

Indian man: Where Lord Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna are there, there the victory.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Then all mystic power is there. That means where there is Kṛṣṇa and His pure devotee, the whole mystic power is there. Tatra śrīḥ? What is that?

Jayādvaita: Vijayo bhūtir.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Jayādvaita: Vijayo bhūtir.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Tatra śrīr vijayo bhūtiḥ. Devotee, he hasn't got to try separately for all these things. It will come automatically. That is mysticism. (laughter)

Indian man: Agle saal bhi aayenge. (Will You come again next year?)

Prabhupāda: Bhagvan ki iccha. (It's up to the Lord’s desire.)

Indian man: Kya ye possible hai ki apse kuch log prasan karna chate hai akele mein do-char din bhaith kar ke? (Is it possible that some people want to ask questions from you by sitting alone for two to four days?)

Prabhupāda: Akele kya jarurat hai. (What is the need to be alone?)

Indian man: Nahi upar hi baith kar mandir mein. (No just upstairs in temple.)

Indian man: Apko kuch samsya hai na, nahi toh 1-2 prasna personal . . . (Do you have some issue? Otherwise 1 or 2 questions personally . . .)

Prabhupāda: Nahi. Woh toh public kar sakte hain hum toh puchta hai kisi ka koi prasna hai toh bol denge. (No. They can ask publicly. I ask if someone has some questions then ask them.)

Indian man: Apke ke saamne himmat nahi padti. (We don’t dare to ask in front of you.)

Prabhupāda: Kyon nahi usme kya hai Bhagvan ke . . . (Why? What is there in it apart from Bhagavan . . .)

Indian man: Nahi kisi ka kuch personal hota hai. (No. Actually, someone has some personal questions.)

Prabhupāda: There is nothing personal Bhagvan se sampark is person. Yahi asal personal a hai. Bhagvan maalik main unke naukar aur dusra baat kya hai. (There is nothing personal. Contacting the Lord is personal. This is actually personal. Lord is my master and I am His servant, what else is there?)

Indian man: Prabhupada apka kya khyal hai ki Toronto mein mandir banane ke liye ek farm liya jai. (Prabhupāda, what do you feel about having a farm in Toronto for making a temple.)

Prabhupāda: Kaam karne wala chaiye toh farm leke kya chatoge thode hi, kaam kaun karega. (We need those who can work, otherwise what will you do on the farm . . . lick it.)

Indian man: Kai devotee aur jo hain jo abhi yahan pe aake nahi rahna chahate wahan pe agar develop ho sakta hai na ki . . . (There are many devotees who don't want to live here, if a farm is developed then . . .)

Prabhupāda: Woh toh hum chahate hain abhi devotee sab tayyar ho tab na. Village jake karenge independently. Humne 2-4 jagah kiya hai New Vrindavan. Four hundred acres of land. More than that. (That is what we also want, but devotees should get ready then. We will go to the village and do it independently. We have done it at 2 to 4 places like New Vṛndāvana. Four hundred acres of land. More than that.)

Hari-śauri: Thousand.

Prabhupāda: Thousand acres. Yes.

Indian man: Humne yahan par 100 ya 200 acre socha hai ki liya jai. (We have planned to acquire 100 to 200 acres of land.)

Prabhupāda: Woh toh bahut achcha idea hai. Baaki woh toh khud chahate hai sahar mein jayenge, maans khayenge aur sarab-baji, randi-baji karenge yahi sab chahate hain. (That is a very nice idea. Else they (the villagers) want to migrate to cities, eat meat and take intoxication, prostitution, that’s all they want.)

Indian man: Prabhupada aisa ho sakta hai 10-12 devotee hum jo devotee hain hamare mandir mein jo ek jagah ikhatte hoke ek jagah farm le sakte hain. (Prabhupāda, is it possible that 10 to 12 devotees of our temple can congregate and take a farm together and stay?)

Prabhupāda: Han han. Are ! ye toh bhaut achchi baat hai lekin tayyar ho tabhi naa. (Yes, yes. Oh. This is a very nice thing, but if they get ready then . . .)

Indian man: Kyonki hamne socha ki kam devotee ho gaye hain abhi saath mein aake nahi rahna chahte abhi jo bahar se aaye huye hain woh bahar hi raha sakte hain . . . kuch bhakta hain . . . (Because we thought, devotees are less now and they don’t want to come here and live. So those who are coming from the outskirts they can stay there on the farm . . .)

Prabhupāda: Haan haan bahar mein rahane se aaram hai. Sahar mein kya hai. Abhi sab chahate hain sahar mein rahna aajkal ke . . . (indistinct) . . . ka ye attraction hai . . . (Yes, yes. Living outside is comfortable. What is there in the cities? Nowadays everyone wants to live in the cities. This is the attraction of . . .) (indistinct) . . . (break) (end)