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710321 - Lecture SB 07.07.29-30 - Bombay

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



710321SB-BOMBAY - March 21, 1971 - 45:09 Minutes



Prabhupāda:

yad īśvare bhagavati
yathā yair añjasā ratiḥ

(SB 7.7.29)

(Of the different processes recommended for disentanglement from material life, the one personally explained and accepted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead should be considered all-perfect. That process is the performance of duties by which love for the Supreme Lord develops.)

So Prahlāda Mahārāja is recommending. There are different kinds of yoga and the purpose of yoga is bīja-nirharaṇam. Bīja—the seed, which is sprouting in so many trees and branches; or material entanglement. So that bīja, that seed has to be, what is called, extinguished. Bīja-nirharaṇam. Just like during rainy season we find various kinds of vegetation and during summer season they all dry. During winter. Eh? Just like in your country during winter season there is no leaves. All trees are simply wood standing. But as soon as there is spring the leaves come out, sprout. So why? Because the source or the cause of the leaves coming out is already there, so bīja-nirharaṇam.

This propensity for sense gratification is just like a bīja, the same example. The all the grasses, all the different vegetation's dry up. And as soon as there is favorable conditions, little water, but because the tree is there, they again come out. Again come out. So artificially stopping the senses will not help us. This is yogīs. They were by artificial means they try to control the senses but that will not help. As soon as there is favorable circumstances they will come. There are many instances. That is repeat . . . repeatedly expressed in Bhagavad-gītā (2.59), paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate.

Even Viśvāmitra Muni, great yogī, he also failed. He was in great meditation and as soon as there was a chance of meeting a very nice beautiful woman, he failed.

So Prahlāda Mahārāja is recommending not that type of yoga. Which will fail. It will fail. There is so many instances. He says that:

bīja-nirharaṇaṁ yogaḥ
pravāhoparamo dhiyaḥ

(SB 7.7.28)

So you accept this, what is called, extinguishing or impotency. Impotency. Making the seeds impotent, no more fructifying. Stop the fructifying process. So actually bīja never becomes impotent, it remains potent. In the case of devotee that, the potency is there but devotee becomes so advanced that they have no more any interest in these potencies. That is. . . it is not that a devotee is impotent. Just like this Ramakrishna, he became impotent and a falsely claimed that he called his wife mother. That is the history, I heard it from my Guru Mahārāja, it is not a false statement.

Devotee: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Yes. This man was in his young days, he was very, very much fond of women and in India there is no free mixing with women. He appeared to be in a high-class Brāhmin family, so he had no chance. So these lower-class young girls, they would hanker after that. He and one of his friends and just friend he stated personally, he was right So when his brother thought that, "My brother is spoiling," so that is the duty of the guardian. He got him married and settled him as a priest, assistant priest in the temple. His brother was priest. But he was impotent. There was no possibility of sex life therefore he adopted this philosophy that, "I am seeing everyone as my mother." That made him famous, you see. Just see (laughs).

Devotees: (laughter)

Prabhupāda: He had no other alternative, you see. But not that type of. A devotee is not rejecting sex life under false pretenses. A devotee has been completely potent but he did does not like it—paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. He finds that the whole world is captivated by sex life. Why? Because they have no other object of being captivated. They do not know that there is Kṛṣṇa and He is more alluring than sex life. They have no information. Therefore material enjoyment . . .

(aside) Not like that. The legs should not be seen. It must be covered. You can sit down that way but it should be covered. Before a superior, before Deities. The legs should not be open.

Eh? So bīja-nirharaṇam. There are two kinds of dealings we have. One, just like in the hospital. Every day there is Ekādaśī. Is it not? (laughs) If you say: "Oh, these patients are very fortunate, they are having every day Ekādaśī." And because they are fasting, with physician. Have stopped eating. Eh? For some disease, they're they are suffering from fever or typhoid, naturally no solid food. So does it mean that they are observing Ekādaśī? No. The desire is there but he is forced to abstain under the instruction of the doctor. That, that kind of forced abstention has no value. That man, as soon as he is cured from the diseased condition, he will leave.

So that is not bīja-nirharaṇam, bīja-nirharaṇam means that although he is potent, completely potent. Just like Lord Śiva. Lord Śiva . . . the Kārtikeya. The birth of Kārtikeya. Lord Śiva was in meditation and there was fight between the demons and the demigods and they were defeated, the demigods. So therefore there was a plan that there must be a commander-in-chief so powerful that he must be born out of the semena of Lord Śiva. That was the plan. So Lord Śiva was at that time, in meditation. So he was induced to be sexually agitated by sending Pārvatī, young girl. And she was worshipping, from that the meaning of worship, śiva-liṅga worship has begun. Haj. That is the system. So she was worshipping the genital of Lord Śiva but a still he was silent.

So that is remarked by Kālidāsa that, "Here is a dhīra." The young girl is touching the genital of Lord Śiva, he is still unagitated. But that does not mean he was impotent. No. He was potent. But when he was, he was informed that, "We want such a child," then he begot Kārtikeya. So having potency he could beget child but he could control also. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Control means whenever it is required he will use his senses but when it is not required it is controlled. Not that to become by artificial means to become impotent—and control. No. Bīja-nirharaṇam.

(aside) . . . (indistinct)

bīja-nirharaṇaṁ yogaḥ
pravāhoparamo dhiyaḥ
(SB 7.7.28)

So how to control the senses. Controlling the senses means stopping further fructification of these material activities. To remain brahmacārī means, if one keeps himself strictly brahmacārī, he becomes free from all . . . (indistinct) . . . of this material world. No more, he is free. He can live anywhere, any circumstances very happily. That is brahmacārī. Because that bīja-nirharaṇam. Brahmacārīti means very much sane in Brahma consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he has no more any desire. A simply loin cloth and a brahmacārī can lie down anywhere on the floor. He doesn't require any apartment, he doesn't require any nice bedstead. His health is very sound, any kind of eating will give him strength, any simple eating. There is no need of eating too much or any fatty things because by nature.

I have seen actually in my household life there was a servant, a young boy, about twenty-one years but he was eating only corn. He was getting only some twenty rupees in those days so he was saving some money. So eating corn. Yes, he was crushing corn. The portion which is powdered, he used to make capātī from that powder, and the portion which was very hard, he used to make as rice, boil it. He was actually eating that capātī and rice and nothing else but he was so stout and strong. No meat, no fat. Such a young man that in that way between sixteen to twenty-four years there is by nature, supply of energy. That whatever he eats, if he can digest, he'll be so stout and strong.

So woman, by nature, they are supplied with extra fat. So even though women begets children. Builds the body of the child within womb. She remains healthy, by nature. Just like cow, cow. What they are eating? They are eating grass. Dry grass. But they are getting full of vitamins, fat. Otherwise wherefrom the milk get fat? So how you can derive fat from dry grass? Is there any scientist who can draw fat from dry grass? But wherefrom this cow is getting?

(aside) You can go and sleep.

Why, how he is getting fat? In nature, in nature there is arrangement that at a certain age, if you keep yourself strictly on the principles of nature, you'll get. You'll get enough strength to become happy. Happy. Because we violate the laws of nature therefore we have to compensate with this way by medicine, by vitamin D by this and that. That is the modern society. So from this, Prahlāda Mahārāja's beginning of instruction was kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān . (SB 7.6.1)

From the stage of kaumāra, from just after five years, the children should be engaged in understanding what is life. That is brahmacārī. From five years to seventy-five years, thirty, or twenty years. They are playing. That civilization and this civilization, is it possible to compare? No. It is not possible. Here we are begetting simply cats and dogs and training them like cats and dogs and we want to. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said when there is increase of the cats and dogs the whole world is just like a hell, it is just like a hell. So the training of the children is most essential part of human civilization. Kaumāra ācaret, from the very beginning they should be trained up as brahmacārī then nice population will come. The whole world will be peaceful, just like Vaikuṇṭha. Nobody will be any envious, nobody will be violent, nobody would be uncivil. And there is possibility. By law you can not check. To make them cats and dogs and you want to check them by law, that is not possible.

Kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān, and that brahmacārī; dharmān bhāgavatān. There are different kinds of dharma but bhāgavata, the dharma which enlivens one to understand God and his relation with God, that is real dharma. Just like Kṛṣṇa is teaching: sarva-dharmān parityajya (BG 18.66), "Give up all nonsense religion."

Give up this Hindu religion, Muslim religion, this religion, that religion. No. Real religion is here, you surrender and that is bhāgavata dharmān bhāgavatān. And your relation to understand your relationship with God. What is that? You are eternal servant therefore you must surrender. You must carry out the order of Kṛṣṇa, then you are. Otherwise there is no question of religion. Dharmān bhāgavatān.

So Prahlāda Mahārāja says that to make the bīja, the seed of gratifying the senses, there are many different ways. See just like the haṭha-yogīs, by artificial dhyāna, dhāraṅā, āsana, they also try. So Prahlāda Mahārāja says: tatropāya-sahasrāṇām (SB 7.7.29).

There are hundreds upāya, "I accept that your process is very nice." Everyone will say, "My process is very, my religion," my artificial . That's alright. Here is. Just like Prabodhānanda Sarasvatīsays that he sādhava, "You are very learned scholar—sādhu." :(Caitanya-candrāmṛta 90)

That's alright. He sādhavaḥ sakalam eva vihāya dūrād—"You know my only request is that whatever you have learned please, for the time being, forget it. Forget it." He sādhavaḥ sakalam eva vihāya. The same thing, as Kṛṣṇa says: sarva-dharmān parityajya—"Give up all other religiosities." There may be many thousands but please give up that. Throw them away. A simply surrender. This is religion. Similarly Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says: he sādhava, "You are very learned, you are very good devotee. It is alright but whatever nonsense you have learned kindly set aside, for the time. Forget that you are a very learned man, you a very good scholar, you are very good religious and devotee. That's alright. But my request is for the time being please set them aside." Then what to do? Sakalam eva vihāya dūrād, caitanya-candra-caraṇe kurutānurāgam. "Kindly give your attention to the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya." This is our preaching. "Sir you are very good, advanced; religious man and you know everything you are a sādhu. That's alright but kindly set them aside for the time being and try to understand the teachings of Lord Caitanya." Sakalam eva vihāya. Prahlāda Mahārāja also said that.

(aside) Why do you not go and sleep? (Bengali).

Anyone who is too sleepy may not kindly sit down here. That is very much disturbing. Yes. It is better to sleep too your satisfied. That's nice.

tatropāya-sahasrāṇām
ayaṁ bhagavatoditaḥ
([[SB 7.7.29|SB 7.7.29])

Although there are many thousands of ways and means. But here bhagavatoditaḥ. As it is directly said by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The same thing, bhagavatoditaḥ, what bhagavatoditaḥ? What Supreme Personality of Godhead said? It is clear. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ: "You simply surrender to Me." What is the difficulty? If you don't surrender that is different business. But this is the instruction only Prahlāda Mahārāja says, bhagavatoditaḥ. As it is instructed by the Lord Himself, that, that process is the best process. There may be other different processes but this process is best.

Bhagavatoditaḥ. Śrīdhara Svāmī gives this is called comment. Śrīdhara Svāmī is giving that what is bhagavatoditaḥ:

tad evaṁ . . . tad evaṁ jñāna-prakāram uktvā tat sādhanaṁ dharmasya tatvaṁ nāradoktam evāha, tatreti pañcabhiḥ
(Bhāvārtha-dīpikā, 7.7.29)

So bhagavatoditaḥ. Here Śrīdhara Svāmī says nāradoktam. Nārada is also sometimes called Bhagavān. A great devotee is also called Bhagavān because great devotee means. Nārada is engaged in preaching devotional service to the Lord. Or any very, very powerful living entity is sometimes addressed as Bhagavān. Therefore Lord Śiva is sometimes called Bhagavān. Similarly here Prahlāda Mahārāja learned from Nārada so he is calling bhagavatoditaḥ. So it has take otherwise. Because whatever Nārada speaks, that is spoken by the Lord, or if we take Nārada as addressed as Bhagavān, that also applicable.

So Śrīdhara Svāmī gives note that:

tad evaṁ jñāna-prakāram uktvā tat sādhanaṁ dharmasya tatvaṁ nāradoktam evāha, tatreti pañcabhiḥ
yair dharmair yathā (yathā-vad) anuṣṭhitair (vā bhagavati śrī-nārāyaṇe) ratir iti yad ayam upāyo bhagavatoktaḥ (tathā)
(Bhāvārtha-dīpikā, 7.7.29)

The perfect process is spoken by the Supreme Lord or by his representative. Tathā he gītā-tū . And he is immediately quoting from Bhagavad-gītā:

yat karoṣi. yat karoṣi yaj juhoṣidadāsi yat
yat tapasyasi kaunteya tat kuruṣva mad-arpaṇam
bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ
(Bhāvārtha-dīpikā, 7.7.29, BG. 9.27,BG. 18.55)

He is quoting directly from the Bhagavad-gītā that this is the process, that you have to give everything to the Lord. Yat karoṣi—that whatever you do, the result should be given to the Lord, yat karoṣi. Whatever you eat the result the first should be given. First of all to the Supreme Lord. Yat karoṣi yaj juhoṣi yad aśnāsi yat tapasyasi. And if you are very much anxious to meditate and undergo austerities, penances do it for Kṛṣṇa, do it for Kṛṣṇa. Observe daily Ekādaśī. That is. Of course Ekādaśī is there but there are many devotees who try to minimize eating as far as possible. That is good. That is tapasya. Tapasya means voluntarily accepting some tribulations of the body. If I don't eat sufficiently I shall become weak, but a still they fast voluntarily. So that full concentration can be given in the matter of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Tapasya. Yat tapasyasi kuruṣva karma: "You do it for Me." And another verse he is quoting: Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55).

"You can not understand God by any other means except devotional service." The Lord Himself says bhaktyā mām—only to Me. They say yato mat tato pat: "Whatever way I accept. That will lead me to the ultimate goal." That is Ramakrishna Mission, yato mat tato pat, "Whatever demigod I worship it is as good as worshipping the Supreme Lord." This bīja is there, but according to Bhagavad-gītā, no, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. You can not understand the Supreme Lord by karma, jñāna, yoga, it is not possible. They may help to a certain extent but there is possibility of falling down. There is a greater possibility of falling down than success. There is no guarantee in any other way, the only guaranteed process is devotional service—bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. Without devotional service you cannot understand. Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja recommends bhagavatoditaḥ, so what is spoken by the Lord or his representative. That is the perfect method of self-realization and getting out of this material entanglement. How it begins?

yad īśvare bhagavati
yathā yair añjasā ratiḥ
(SB 7.7.29)

Somehow or other your attachment should be for Kṛṣṇa. Yena tena prakāreṇa. Rūpa Gosvāmī also says: yena tena prakāreṇa (Brs 1.2.4). Never mind, in whichever way it is possible, try to engage oneself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the recommendation.

Then: sarve vidhi-niṣedhā syur etayor eva kiṅkarāḥ (Brs 1.2.4).

Other rules and regulations we shall see later on. We shall see later on. Because if one is actually attached to Kṛṣṇa he will develop all good qualities without any doubt. Not by simply by forcing him, "Do this, do that." No. The only thing is that he is serious to be always chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa then all other things will automatically come.

Yad īśvare bhagavati yathā. Now we have to, so far rules and regulations is concerned, that is also required. Both ways you have to try. But the rules and regulations makes us automatically, in a mechanical way, attached to Kṛṣṇa. This is just like this is a rule: "Everyone should rise early in the morning." This is compulsory, early in the morning. What is the difficulty? You go. Of course one who is engaged extraordinarily, that is a different thing. Generally if you go to bed at ten you receive six hours sound sleep. More than sleeping six hours is a diseased condition. Six hours you can get up. Of course, those who cannot follow, that those who cannot rise inspite of going at ten to bed. Then he should not eat at night. Then he will be forced to get up. There is no difficulty. Don't eat at night then he'll be. So why not . . . (indistinct) . . . belly? Because it makes him a bit sleep more. So you do not overwork, then you will be able to rise early. This is easy. Rules and regulations. Prahlāda Mahārāja recommended:

guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā
sarva-labdhārpaṇena ca
(SB 7.7.30)

This is the beginning of rules and regulations. What is that? First thing is to serve the spiritual master—guru-śuśrūṣayā. Śuśrūṣayā means service. A brahmacārī is supposed to work as a menial servant of the spiritual master. Not only menial servant, whatever he collects he should immediately deliver to he. He should not think that, "Oh I have collected so much, it is my money." He should immediately deliver. Guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā. That is not a mechanical, bhaktyā. The first beginning of bhakti, devotion begins from the guru. Guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā. Guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā sarva-labdhārpaṇena ca. And whatever he gains . . .

When the duties of brahmacārī is described by Nārada Muni. It is stated that, that one who is living under the guidance of spiritual master, the same thing, sarva labdhārpaṇena. Whatever he gains, whatever he makes profit it should be immediately offered to guru. And so far eating, unless the guru calls him, "My dear boy please come and take prasādam," he should not take. If one day he forgets to call his disciple or devotee or student then he should not take, he should starve. That means without permission of the guru he can not eat. There are so many strictures. That is very difficult to follow, at the present moment it is not possible, but as far as possible. The regulation given by the spirtual master must be faithfully followed. That is the beginning, Prahlāda Mahārāja.

guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā
sarva-labdhārpaṇena ca
saṅgena sādhu-bhaktānām
(SB 7.7.30)

And the association should be a sādhu. Sādhu means those who are engaged in devotional service. And more clear this—bhaktānām. Sādhu means whose characters are spotless, they are called sādhus. And especially unless one's character is spotless he can not be a pure devotee. Here it is said that one should engage himself very sincerely and with devotion to serve the spiritual master in the association of sādhu-bhaktānām. In the association of nicely, I mean to say good character men and devotees. And what are they. What they will they do? So we are all devotees. No. A devotee—bhaktānām īśvarārādhanena ca . . . īśvara, ārādhanena. Being engaged in the service of the Lord. Not that a guru will say: "There is no need of Deity worship. I am god." That is another way. Just like you chant the . . . it is the duty of guru or spiritual master is:

śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-
śṛṅgāra-tan-mandira-mārjanādau
yuktasya bhaktāṁś ca niyuñjato 'pi
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam
(Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka, 3)

He should engage the students in the worship of the Deities. So no center should be without Deities. But if there is no arrangement, if there is no qualified persons, devotees to worship, it may not be taken up, the only chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra will help. But if there is possibility Deity worship must be there in every center. But not neglectfully. Deity worship is very difficult. Not a mlecchatā. Therefore in Kali-yuga Deity worship is also stopped: harer nāmaiva kevalam (CC Ādi 17.21).

Alright, you cannot worship Deity also Dvāpare paricaryāyām (SB 12.3.52)

It was possible . . . what to speak of you. You are coming. Even the so-called Hindus, they cannot worship Deity, you see. As a matter of routine, engage some hired priest. He will come and throw some water and flower and go away. That is Deity worship. That is going on. You see? So such kind of Deity worship is worthless. Deity worship should be done very nicely according to the rules and regulations.

And Prahlāda Mahārāja says: These are the. . . first thing is that we have to accept what is directly spoken by the Supreme Lord, that principle we should accept. Or through His bona-fide representative. And then that surrender begins, surrendering to the spiritual master. Because spiritual master is the representative of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore you cannot, we cannot not see eye-to-eye Kṛṣṇa therefore the surrendering process begins from the point by surrendering to the spiritual master. Tad viddhi praṇipātena. Praṇipāt means surrender.

tad viddhi praṇipātena
paripraśnena sevayā
(BG 4.34)

That you have to learn the transcendental science. First business is praṇipāt. Prakṛṣṭa-rūpeṇa nipāta. This falling down just like a rod. That is praṇipāt. Nipāta. Nipāta means—fall down. Praṇipātena. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena—also inquiries, question. Paripraśnena sevayā. But that paripraśna should not be without sevā. The whole process is sevā.

sevonmukhe hi jihvādau
svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ
(Madhya 17.136, Brs. 1.2.234, Padma Purāṇa)

The more we are engaged in service then the more we advance. If we can engage ourselves twenty-four hours in the service, that is very good. Therefore we have to minimize everything. Save time simply to render service. Simply to render service. That instruction everywhere. Tad viddhi praṇipātena. That is instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā.

So if you want to learn that transcendental science then tad viddhi, try to understand what is this praṇipātena. Here also Prahlāda Mahārāja asks. That is, that is the symmetry. Sādhu-guru-śāśtra-vākya tinete kariyā aikya (Guru-vandanā2). A sādhu, Prahlāda Mahārāja is sādhu. He is speaking, he is speaking the words which he has heard from his guru, Nārada, and that there is no discrepancies with the śāśtra. Whatever he is speaking that is stated in the śāśtra. Just like he's a guru-śuśrūṣayā. That, that is stated in the śāśtra. Ādau gurv-āśrayam (Brs 1.1.74), tad viddhi praṇipātena, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12)

This is śāśtra. And Prahlāda Mahārāja is speaking the same thing under the instruction of Nārada. These three things are very important: sādhu, guru, śāśtra. Sādhu-guru-śāśtra-vākya tinete kariyā aikya. So there is no difficulty how to find out bona-fide, bona-fides of anything. If, when we are expert in understanding or following the instruction of sādhu, guru then it will be easier to understand śāśtra. Yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau (ŚU 6.23).

One who has got unflinching faith—parā bhaktir, unflinching faith. Yasya deve, deve means God. Yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau. Similarly as much faith he has got in Kṛṣṇa, similar faith he has got to his guru. Not that, "Guru is a man, he is not a. So non-sense god, let me directly understand Kṛṣṇa." That is foolishness. That is foolishness. One can not understand Kṛṣṇa without going through the guru. Just like Prahlāda Mahārāja. He is speaking the exact truth because he has taken the knowledge from Nārada. Yathā deve tathā gurau, tasyaite kathitā hy arthaḥ prakāśante mahātmanaḥ.

So all the Vedic literatures will be revealed, the meaning of the Vedic literatures will be revealed to him. This is spiritual process. The spiritual process is not that, "I am very learned man, I am a very good scholar therefore I will learn it by reading myself." No. He will not understand anything. Even a scholar like Dr. Radha-Krishna, he is also mislead, what to speak of others. He was mislead because he is not understanding Bhagavad-gītā through guru. He has no guru. He's, he is very much proud of his so-called academic education but that is not the process. Here is the process. And Gaurakiśora-dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, he could not sign his name, and he had his disciple my Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī and he was illiterate but when he was speaking he was speaking correct to the śāśtra. How it happened?

yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau
tasyaite kathitā hy arthaḥ prakāśante mahātmanaḥ
(Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.23)
guru-śuśrūṣayā bhaktyā
sarva-labdhārpaṇena ca
saṅgena sādhu-bhaktānām
īśvarārādhanena ca
(SB 7.7.30)
tatraivāntar-aṅgān dharmān āha,
guroḥśuśrūṣayā bhaktyā premṇā
sarveṣāṁ labdhānām arpaṇena
(Bhāvārtha-dīpikā, 7.7.30)

All right.

Devotees: (obeisances) (end).