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680710 - Lecture SB 07.09.10 - Montreal

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

680710SB-MONTREAL - July 10, 1968 - 55:43 Minutes


viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha-
pādāravinda-vimukhāt śvapacaṁ variṣṭham
manye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha-
prāṇaṁ punāti sa-kulaṁ na tu bhūrimānaḥ
(SB 7.9.10)

This verse we have been discussing.

(aside) You can open.

So vipra, vipra means one who is fully conversant with Vedic knowledge. He is called vipra. For spiritual elevation there are gradual evolutionary stages. Vipra stage is just before becoming a qualified Brāhmin. That is called vipra. The first stage, by birth, everyone is Śūdra. Śūdra means affected by the miseries of this world. He is Śūdra. Śocati.

The material condition is full of anxiety, so anyone who is full of anxiety, he is Śūdra. This is the . . . so if you analyze the present society, that who is not anxiety, full of anxiety, oh, nobody will say that "I am not full of anxiety." "I have got so many anxieties." So that means he is a Śūdra. Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ (Skanda Purāṇa): "In this age, everyone is Śūdra." That is concluded.

A Brāhmin is not afraid. He is not anxious, because he is dependent on God. He knows that, "I have surrendered unto God completely, and He is all-powerful. Therefore I have no anxiety." Just like a small child, he has no anxiety. Why? Because he is completely dependent on the parents. He knows confidently that in any danger, "Oh, my mother is there." As soon as he feels there is some danger, "Mother!" That's all. Finished.

Similarly, one who is completely confident that "The supreme father is there. He will protect me, give me protection," so he has no anxiety. Nārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati (SB 6.17.28). When one is fully confident about God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is not afraid, not even afraid of death, because he knows that he has no death; he is eternal.

So to come to this platform of confidence, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is training. That training is called viddhi-mārga, regulative principles, following the regulative principles. So this whole varṇāśrama system, Vedic system, the different caste—Brāhmiṇ, Kṣatriya, Vaiśya, Śūdra, a brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa—they are very scientifically designed to elevate one gradually to the standard of no fear, fearfulness-less, no more fear—confident. So vipra means just the previous stage of becoming completely a Brāhmiṇ.

Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ: "By birth everyone is born a Śūdra." Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ: "When he goes to the spiritual master and the spiritual master initiates him, at that time his second birth is there, dvija." Dvija. The birds are called also dvija, because they get twice birth. Once they come as egg, the form of birth in the egg, and then, when they come out from the egg and the shell, break the shell and come out, that is real life.

Similarly, we are in the egg, within the shell of ignorance. So when we come out from the shell of ignorance, that is our second birth. The first birth is by father and mother, and the second birth is by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. There is also mother. The Vedic knowledge is mother, and the spiritual master is the father.

So saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. The spiritual master trains the student gradually. That is called initiation. That is called dvija. Janmana jāyate śūdraḥ: "By birth by the father and mother, everyone is Śūdra." It doesn't matter where he takes his birth, not that only India they are Brāhmin, Kṣatriya, Vaiśya, Śūdra. Everywhere. Cātur-varṇyam mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13). In the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that these four system of social division—Brāhmin, Kṣatriya, Vaiśya, Śūdra—they are all over the universe, not that . . . don't think that it is in India. Everywhere.

So saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. By reformation, by following the regulative principle of how to elevate oneself to the knowledge of Brahman . . . that is called saṁskāra. There are ten kinds of saṁskāras, reformatory. This Vedic system is very scientific system to elevate the humankind to the highest perfection of life. So saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Then, when the saṁskāra is given, when his . . . the spiritual master sees that "This boy is now competent to study Vedas . . ." That requires a qualification. A Śūdra is not allowed to study Vedas. There is restriction.

Sometimes they think injustice, that "Why Śūdra?" That is modern convention. Actually, that is very nice. What a Śūdra can understand Vedas? To the Śūdra, a different type of knowledge . . . just like the same thing, that the two plus two in the lower class is different from the two plus two in the higher mathematics. So Śūdra cannot understand. So one has to become Brāhmin, vipra at least, dvija, twice-birth by initiation. Then he is allowed to study. Then he will be able to understand the language of . . . it is not injustice that Śūdra are not . . .

Just like . . . I do not know what is the system in your country, but in India, one who is not a graduate, he is not allowed to study law. If one, anyone, wants to study law, if he wants to enter into the law college, then he must be a graduate first of all, at least B.A. Otherwise he cannot. So if somebody says: "It is injustice," "Why?" "Everyone should." Everyone cannot understand. Similarly, without being initiated by proper spiritual master, nobody can understand. The Vedas is not like that: you purchase a book, the Bhagavad-gītā or Bhāgavata, and study at home, and you learn. Oh, it is not possible.

Just like simply by purchasing some medical books and study at home you cannot become a doctor, medical man. That is not possible. Neither you can become a lawyer. The books are available in the market, but that is not the process. You have to enter yourself in an institution, take lessons from the professors, must attend lecture classes, seventy-five percent at least. Then you are allowed to sit in the examination.

So the gradual process . . . first birth is Śūdra, anyone. It doesn't matter. Even if he is born of a Brāhmin father, he is considered a Śūdra. So then, by initiation, he becomes dvija, second birth. Then he is allowed to study the Vedic literatures. And when he is conversant with the studies of Vedic literature, he is called vipra. And when one has become a vipra—because that is the just previous stage of becoming a Brāhmin—he acquires twelve kinds of qualities. Satya-śama-dama-titikṣa (BG 18.42). The first quality is truthfulness. The second quality is controlling the senses, controlling the mind. Śama-dama-titikṣa, to be very tolerant; ārjava, very simple; full of knowledge; full of theism; so many qualities. These qualities are mentioned.

So here Prahlāda Mahārāja says, viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutāt. When one is a vipra, that means he has got all the good qualities, material good qualities. He is truthful. He is conversant with the science of religion. He knows what is God, what is Brahman. He is self-controlled. He is not sensual. So many good qualities.

So Prahlāda Mahārāja says that "Even one has attained the stage of becoming a vipra, and he has acquired all the good qualities required for becoming a vipra, but if he is lacking one quality . . ." What is that? Viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutā aravinda-nābha pādāravinda-vimukhāt (SB 7.9.10): "But he is adverse to God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He has got all the good qualities, he has studied Vedas, but if he is not God conscious . . ."

Pādāravinda. Aravinda-nābha pādāravinda. Aravinda-nābha. Nabha means this navel, and aravinda means lotus. You know that the creation is made by the navel of Viṣṇu, the first sprouting of the lotus flower–like planet, and there is Brahmā, and he creates other things. So therefore, aravinda-nābha, "the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose navel has the lotus flower," aravinda-nābha.

And pādāravinda: "And His feet is also just like lotus, aravinda." Aravinda-nābha aravinda-pāda. That means Supreme Personality of Godhead. So a vipra, a qualified person with all good qualities, material qualities, if he is lacking the simple quality that he is not conversant with the science of God, vimukhāt, he is not very serious to understand what is God . . . that is the position.

Now, at the present moment, everyone is highly educated to the material standard, but they have no knowledge what is God. So even they become vipra, because they are lacking this knowledge, Prahlāda Mahārāja says that a person, a dog-eater who has God consciousness, is better than him. Śvapacaṁ variṣṭham. Śvapaca means a person who is born in the family of dog-eaters. Śvapacaṁ variṣṭham.

Manye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha. There is description, mauna-vijṣāna-santoṣa-satyāṣṭika-dviṣād-guṇān, yad vā śamo damas tapo śaucaṁ kṣānti ārjava viraktataḥ. Mauna-vijṣāna-santoṣa-satyāṣṭika-dviṣād-guṇān. The eleven . . . twelve qualities, good qualities, is described in the Vedic literature. What is this? That śama. Śama means the equilibrium of the mind. Dama. Dama means controlling the senses. Śamo damas tapaḥ, austerity. Tapa means . . . tapa means from tapa, "heat." Just like this heat is not tolerable; I require the fan. So tapa means to accept voluntarily some physical trouble. That is called tapa.

There are many sages who, in . . . during summer, they will burn fire all sides and meditate. There is already high temperature, 112 degrees in India. Sometimes 118 degree, and still they have fire all sides, all sides. Yes. And they are meditating, not disturbed. So this is called voluntarily tapa. And in winter season, when the temperature is forty degrees, fifty degrees—of course, not below zero—anyway, he goes to the water and dip into the water simply keeping the mouth up, and meditating. So there are some severe processes for tapasya. So this is one of the good qualities.

But in this age it is very difficult. To undergo such voluntary tribulations for realization, self-realization, meditation is not possible in this age. Therefore the Vedic injunction is that "You simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam (CC Adi 17.21). You don't have to take any botheration. In whatever position you are, you just try to consent in your mind to hear the sound "Hare Kṛṣṇa," best type of meditation, because it is not possible to acquire all these qualities, tapa.

So śamo-damas-tapa-śaucam. Śaucam means cleanliness, hygienic principle, to take bath thrice—at least once—daily. Therefore to keep no hair is better. You wash, there is no question of, I mean to say, moisture in the hair. And those who have got big hairs, they cannot take daily bath. But if you keep your bald-headed, there is no trouble. Śaucam. So bathing is required, taking bath daily, śaucam.

And kṣānti. Kṣānti means toleration. Because this world is full of miseries, and you have to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this condition. Kṛṣṇa advised in the Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna, that . . . because the topic was on the body, so Arjuna said: "Accepting that the soul is immortal and it never dies, still, if some relative dies, we feel pain. Is it not a fact?" Kṛṣṇa said: "Yes, it is a fact."

Even if I know that my son is dead, my son is not dead. The soul of my son is departed from this body to another body. So there is no cause of anxiety. He has got another body, but still, I feel, "Oh, my son . . ." for the body, because I am accustomed to love my son by the body. So this concession should be allowed. If somebody is crying, that does not mean he is a fool, but it is material affection.

So Kṛṣṇa advises that this kṣānti, titikṣa, toleration. How toleration? Śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ. Just like we tolerate very severe cold. There is no use fighting and howling, "Oh, there is so much cold, so much cold, so much." You have to tolerate. You cannot fight.

mātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya
āgamāpāyino 'nityās
tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata
(BG 2.14)

He advised, "Yes, I understand there are pains and pleasures like that, but they have to be tolerated. You cannot be disturbed. You have to execute your business of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If there is any trouble, you must know no trouble or no happiness exists, because this is material. It has come; it will go. So for the time being, don't be mad after happiness and don't be mad after miseries."

Āgamāpāyina: "They come and go." Just like nowadays it is very hot. This season will change, and again we will be disturbed by cold. So disturbance will continue, either heat or cold, due to this material body, mātrā-sparśā, due to this skin attachment. So we have to tolerate.

So one who is actually vipra, he is tolerant. He is not disturbed by these material tribulations, kṣānti, ārjavam. Simple, very simple. Duplicity is very bad qualification for spiritual advancement. We have got a tendency for cheating, everyone, conditioned soul. That should be minimized. This is called ārjavam. Ārjavam means saralatā, saadagee. (simplicity.) And viraktata, detachment. The whole system is detachment from matter.

If we are too much attached . . . or why too much? Even if we are slightly attached to this material life, then we have to accept this body, any kind of body, this body or that body. There are 8,400,000 types of bodies. So, so long we'll have a slight attachment for this material enjoyment, sense enjoyment, we will have to accept a certain type of body. Therefore this vairāgya, viraktata, detachment from matter, is the whole basic principle of spiritual realization.

So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness process is simultaneously detachment from matter and attachment for Kṛṣṇa. It is so nice system. It is so nice. Just like we have to increase our love for Kṛṣṇa. The proportionately we increase our love for Kṛṣṇa, we decrease our love for matter. So I have got a spirit to love. That I cannot stop. Similarly . . . there are many examples. Just like a boy or a girl. If he, she increases the love for another boy, another girl, he decreases the love for other boys and girls. This is natural. Similarly, if you increase your love for Kṛṣṇa, then you decrease your love for nonsense.

So vairāgya, this detachment from matter, is automatically done. We have got the propensity to love something, at least a dog if not God. So if we turn our face to the loving attachment to Kṛṣṇa, then paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59). If you are given better thing . . . just like in children. He is loving something, but if you give him something better, something red, oh, he is attached immediately. He gives up the old thing and takes up the red thing.

So you cannot . . . the jṣāna system, the yoga system is by force they are trying to detach. That is not possible. It may be possible for the time being. Just like Viśvamitra, a great sage. These are the historical references. He was a very great king, and he wanted to realize self, and he began to meditate in the forest alone, as it is, this yoga system, that "He must be in secluded life. He must make his seat in a very sacred place and sit in this posture." There are . . . so he followed everything completely, perfect yogī.

But as soon as Indra saw that, "This man is performing a great yoga system. He may not acquire my position," so he sent one beautiful girl, Menakā, to entice him. So she came, she began to dance before her (him), and there was tinkling sound, and at once his meditation broke. And she was very beautiful, coming from heaven, so he became attached, and the woman became pregnant. Then she got a child, Śakuntala, and then Viśvamitra came to his senses: "Oh, I left my kingdom, I came to forest for meditation. Again I am going to be another kingdom." So he decided that, "I shall go away."

So Menakā tried to entice him, "Oh, why you shall go? You just see how nice girl you have got. Just see." There is a picture, perhaps you have seen. And Viśvamitra is doing like this: "Don't show me anymore. Let me go away." Of course, he was very much advanced. He could go. But this allurement is always there.

But Kṛṣṇa is so beautiful and so nice that if you increase your love for Kṛṣṇa, then you have no more any attachment for anything, any beautiful thing of this world. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59). Just like Kṛṣṇa and these gopīs. They came to Kṛṣṇa, giving up their all engagements. (break) . . . were engaged in, I mean to say, loving children, some of them were engaged in serving their husband, or unmarried girls, they were engaged to serving her father, brother. But as soon as Kṛṣṇa blew His flute, they came, all.

So similarly, if our attachment becomes very nice, very mature, for Kṛṣṇa, then this viraktata, or detachment for material things, will automatically happen. But that is required, viraktata. And maunam. Mauna. Mauna means don't talk; grave. This is also very good qualification because generally, when we talk, we simply talk nonsense. That's all. We shall sit together, and some friends or family, some useless talks, we shall go on for hours together. But if you are called to talk about Kṛṣṇa or Bhagavad-gītā or Bhāgavata, this philosophy, nobody will come. So better not to talk. It is better not to talk than to talk nonsense, foolish.

So generally, we are accustomed to talks, enjoy foolish talks, which has no meaning, neither any benefit for this material world, neither any benefit for spiritual world. If you are, of course, gaining something material benefit . . . just like businessmen talk. They talk seriously if there is any profit. Otherwise the secretary says: "Oh, the Mr. Such-and-such has no time to see you." That is also some good, because time is so valuable. So why should we talk nonsense?

So that is also very good qualification if we don't talk nonsense. Either you talk about Kṛṣṇa or don't talk. That is called mauna. If there is no subject matter for talking on the subject of Kṛṣṇa, then it is better not to talk. But we have got very nice engagement. We can talk Hare Kṛṣṇa. If you have no other engagement, then we have got these beads, "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa . . ." You can day and night, twenty-four hours, go on. This is called mauna.

And vijṣāna. Vijṣāna means perfect knowledge. What is that perfect knowledge? Perfect knowledge means to know Kṛṣṇa. Yasmin vijṣāte sarvam evaṁ vijṣātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). The Vedic injunction is, "If you can understand the Supreme, then you understand the whole thing, because Supreme is the whole, absolute." Just like if you can understand one, two, three, four, five, six . . . eight, nine, zero, then you can understand the whole mathematics, because what is mathematics? One, two, three, four, three, four, one, two, just like that. That's all. The same nine figures, that's all.

Similarly, the Vedas says, yasmin vijṣāte sarvam evaṁ vijṣātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). If you simply try to understand the Supreme Absolute Truth, that is the purpose of Vedas. And it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā also, vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam (BG 15.15). What is the use of studying Vedas? What is the use of studying this Bhāgavata or . . .? To understand Kṛṣṇa. That's all.

So here it is stated that maunaṁ vijṣānaṁ santoṣa. Santoṣa. This is the result. If you are perfect in knowledge of Kṛṣṇa, then you are satisfied. Satisfied. Yasmin sthito guruṇāpi duḥkhena na vicālyate. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said:

yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ
manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ
(BG 6.22)

"If one attains to the perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then he has no more to understand anything." Yaṁ labdhvā cāparam. He does not want any more profit in any way. He thinks that "I am completely . . ." Yasmin sthite, and the test is that if one is situated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then guruṇāpi duḥkhena . . .

Because the world, this material world, we are always in trouble. So a person situated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not troubled at all, even if he is put into very trying circumstances. Guruṇāpi duḥkhena. This is the test. That is called santoṣa; and satya, truthfulness; āstikya. Āstikya means belief, faith, faith in scripture, faith in God. That is called faith. This is faith.

And when that faith is very much concentrated, then one can understand Kṛṣṇa. Viśvāsa śabde sudṛdha-niścaya, kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya (CC Madhya 22.62). This is called strong faith, or firm faith. What is that firm faith? When one is convinced that "If I am Kṛṣṇa conscious, then all my duties will be perfect." And that is the fact.

Saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam (SB 1.2.13). As I have several times spoken in this meeting, that "Let everyone be engaged to his specific duty. It doesn't matter what it is. But if you want to see that whether your function is perfected, then you have to test it, whether by your activities Kṛṣṇa is satisfied." Saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam. Svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam. So this santoṣa. If you think that Kṛṣṇa is satisfied . . .

How you can know Kṛṣṇa is satisfied? Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ, "If you can satisfy your spiritual master, then you should know that Kṛṣṇa is satisfied." Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ. So if you are fortunate enough to have a bona fide spiritual master and if you can satisfy him, then you know that you have satisfied Kṛṣṇa. This is the process.

So we shall talk next week. Yes. Any question?

(break) No question? You have understood everything?


Guest (1): I'd like to ask, a vipra means he has the twelve qualifications, and he also has the qualification of faith. I don't understand exactly what it means when Prahlāda Mahārāja says that . . . (indistinct) . . . on a follower who has no faith in God or God watching him.

Prabhupāda: No. A vipra, because he is studying . . . vipra means one who is engaged in the studies of Vedas. That is . . . veda-pathād bhaved vipraḥ. So if he is studying Vedas, then must be qualified with all the good qualities. Because just like Bhagavad-gītā, it is said that "These are the good qualities." So study means to accept the instruction. Study does not mean simply to become a bookworm. No. Study means to apply practically in life what you learn from the Vedas. So if anyone is seriously studying, then naturally he is qualified with all the good qualities.

Yes? No. You can say.

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . believe in themselves or have faith on that or believe on that . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: That in the material world there are three qualities: the quality of goodness, the quality of passion, the quality of ignorance. These three qualities are working. We see varieties in this material world due to the interaction of these three qualities. So there are varieties of men. Some of them are in good quality, some of them are in quality of passion, some of them are in the quality of ignorance. Therefore they have got different types of faith also, not that your faith or my faith may be the same, because you may be in the quality of goodness, I may be in the quality of passion or ignorance.

So faith is according to the particular quality of the person who is professing that faith. So the sattvic faith, the faith in goodness, that is faith in Brahman, the Supreme. That is called goodness, brahminical faith. And above this . . . this is sattvic. Sattvic means goodness. So goodness . . . in the material world, even goodness is sometimes contaminated with tinges of passion and ignorance. Therefore in the material world nothing can be in pure goodness.

So one has to transcend the goodness platform of this material world and come to the platform of pure goodness, śuddha-sattva, where there is no more contamination of passion and ignorance. That platform is called God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Guest (2): Is faith in God more necessary than proper protection? In other words, is this process actually more necessary?

Prabhupāda: Well, when one has got faith in God he must have the necessary activities. Otherwise, what kind of faith it is? Just like if I say that, "I have faith in you, but I don't trust you," what kind of faith I have got? If I say: "My dear friend, I have faith in you," and if you want me to do something, I don't do it, then if I say, "How can I do it?" then what kind of faith that is? So this sort of faith is not required. Faith means real faith.

So whenever there is real faith, there is activity also. That is faith. When there is real Kṛṣṇa consciousness, God consciousness, then there is activity for pleasing the God. Simply I believe in God simply for exacting things from God, that is a different type of faith. That is in the lowest stage. Just like a small child, he has got faith, but if a learned, educated child, he has got different faith, "Oh, my father, my mother, they have done so much for us," oh, he wants to repay. He wants to oblige the father. That is also another faith, the same faith.

So somebody is trying, "O God, give us our daily bread." This is also faith. But somebody is trying how to please God. He is not asking . . . because he knows that "If God is father, then he is supplying bread to animals, to birds and beasts. Why not to me? So my bread is already guaranteed. So let me serve the father." This is higher type of faith. "Why shall I ask, bother, my father? If he is father, then he has already made arrangement for my eating."

That is natural. Does it mean that every day the child asks father, mother, "Mother, father, give me my bread"? Oh, the father is already preparing bread for you. He'll call you. But he is lacking the faith. He is asking. Another is not asking; he is confident that, "Father will give me bread. Now let me serve my father." This is higher type of faith.

So the faith, there are different standards of faith. One faith is trying to exact, and one faith is trying to give everything. So these two types of faith. So which one is better? Anyone can judge. Just like Arjuna, in the beginning he had faith in Kṛṣṇa. He said: "Kṛṣṇa, please give me instruction. I am not talking any more as friend. I accept You as my spiritual master." So he had faith, good faith.

Otherwise, how he accepted Kṛṣṇa as spiritual master? But that faith in the beginning, and in the last faith, after learning Bhagavad-gītā, he said: "Kṛṣṇa, by Your grace I have got my memory." That means, "In the beginning I was thinking that I should give more importance to my grandfather, my teacher and my family, but I have learned that my only duty is to serve You. Therefore whatever You say, I'll do." This is another faith. The same man, the same Kṛṣṇa—in the beginning, one faith, and at the end, another faith.

So beginning faith is that God, understanding God. But unfortunately, at the present moment they don't believe in God, so there is no question of faith. They have lost all faith. This is the condition of the present society. What to speak of this faith or that faith, they have no faith. They have lost all faith, just like animal. Animal has no faith in God. That is the distinction between human being and animal. The animal has no faith, but in human society there is a kind of faith, either it is Christian faith or Hindu faith or Buddhist faith or Muhammadan faith. But when we give up this faith, then our position is just like animal.

The present society is just like animal. They have no faith, what to speak of this faith or that faith. That is the position. They are simply after sense enjoyment. That's all. Don't you see? The Pope says that it is not good, it is not God's law, that you should use contraceptive method. But they are so mad after sense enjoyment, they say: "Oh, we don't care for your instruction." Just see how much they have lost their faith.

So at the present moment it is very difficult position, no faith at all.

(break) . . . have no good qualification. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇa (SB 5.18.12). Oh, their education, their scientific advancement, their so-called civilization . . . don't you see? The everyone is expected to have national feeling, but the postal strike, mail strike, went on for twenty days. The whole nation become disturbed and harassed. Why? They wanted money. "What is this? Go to . . . your national feeling go to hell! You pay us, then we work."

So nobody has any faith. Simply he has faith in sense gratification. That's all. "You satisfy my senses, then you are very good. Otherwise, go to hell." That's all. This is the position. And therefore they are denying the topmost head of Catholic Church, "We don't care for your instruction," because they have become faithless. And that is not their fault. It is fault of the heads of the churches. They did not teach them properly. They were satisfied simply by money. That's all. They did not try to teach them. Now what is the use of teaching? They have gone out of hand. The same thing: if you want to bend bamboo, do it while it is green. And when it is dried, oh, it is not possible. So now the whole society is faithless, godless, very precarious condition.

So this process, our process, we don't impose any difficult rules and regulation. Please come here and chant with us and dance with us. At least, there is no loss on your part. If you think there is no gain, but at least there is no loss. So I should request you to come and join with us in our kīrtana. Then everything gradually will be clear.

Any other question?

Devotee (2): Does ārjavam, or simplicity, does that include making the truth palatable to someone who will not understand the truth directly?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Devotee (2): Does straightforwardness, that ārjavam quality, does that include making the truth palatable to someone who will not understand the truth directly?

Prabhupāda: Yes. When you speak of higher truths, you don't care whether it is palatable to others or not. In social formality you can see. That has happened actually. Because the Pope, he was not strong enough in the beginning . . . because some other Pope, he thought, "It may be unpalatable," he did not speak the truth. Now the other Pope is speaking the truth, they are not accepting.

But from the very beginning the priests should have preached in every church, "My dear Christian brothers, you cannot use these contraceptive methods." They were never told in the churches. They were satisfied to get fees. That's all. Everywhere, not only in the Christian world. In the Hindu, in Christian, they don't care for any rules and regulation any more. But they profess that "I am Christian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muhammadan." (break) (end)