730711 - Conversation B - London
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(Conversation with Indian Guests with some Hindi exchanges)
Prabhupāda: . . . accepted in that group.
Indian man (1): Suppose if somebody is absolutely ignorant about . . .
Prabhupāda: So therefore there should be education. Why the śāstras are there? Why guru is there? Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). You must accept guru and learn. Why should you remain ignorant?
Indian man (1): How one should start when he's completely ignorant of all these things?
Prabhupāda: He should go . . . tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet.
Indian man (1): Tad viddhi praṇipātena . . . (BG 4.34).
Prabhupāda: Paripraśnena sevayā. He should become a disciple of a bona fide guru. Otherwise, how he can learn? If you are uneducated, you should go to school.
Indian man (1): (aside) You want to ask anything?
Prabhupāda: (Hindi: Leave aside going to guru. Guru is himself coming and canvassing, still no-one comes. How fallen they are.) (laughter) It is very difficult to, to guru, but when guru comes, they also do not accept him. What can be done? They are so fallen. Only fortunate. Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva (CC Madhya 19.151).
So to go to guru, to Kṛṣṇa, that requires fortune. Kona bhāgyavān jīva. Some fortunate person. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (CC Madhya 19.151). By the mercy of guru and Kṛṣṇa, he gets the seed of this bhakti. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55). And when he's a bhakta, then he can understand what is God.
(aside) Get the light on.
Bhaktyā mām abhijānā . . . no, there. That's all right.
Indian man (2): (Hindi: How can I serve you in some way, for your health, some medicines etc. . . )
Prabhupāda: (Hindi: What will happen by taking care of the body . . . one day everyone has to go, either today or tomorrow . . .)
Indian man: (Hindi: Everyone brought our returning passport the moment we were born. . . Prabhupāda: For that na tasya . . . there is no guarantee that a person will be healthy just by taking medicine.
Indian man: Body is perishable.
Prabhupāda: Unless there is sanction . . . if the Lord has decided, however medicine you put, he shall not live. Medicine will not work.
Indian man: Medicine will not work. There should be mercy of Lord.
Prabhupāda: When everything is depending on Lord's mercy, we must also depend on Lord's mercy. I take some medicines . . . bhaskar lavan, little is ok.
Indian man: How is your body working . . .
Prabhupāda: My liver is not functioning properly. . . not much appetite . . . whenever you get time, please come.
Indian man: How many days are you staying here?
Prabhupāda: As of now, till August.
Indian man: I shall keep coming. (end)