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771028 - Conversation B - Vrndavana

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771028R2-VRNDAVAN - October 28, 1977 - 93:50 Minutes

(Kaviraja from Calcutta Arrives)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . with the press . . .

Prabhupāda: What you are doing?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . with the press from the Indian Express and other newspapers. And also I went to the television and the All-India Radio for the engagement. And also I wanted to discuss with some of my members the immediate plan that we have. So I sent one to Bombay to organize a conference. So I'll try to cover this area very quickly—Agra, Delhi and Punjab. I'm meeting a lot of scientists. And also I collected several copies of the newspaper, The Statesman. I went to the Statesman building, collected the newspaper coverings. How are you feeling, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: That kavirāja did not come?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: That kavirāja? What happened? No one knows. Is he coming from Calcutta?

Upendra: They left. They say he left Calcutta at twelve o'clock flight.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: I could have gone to the airport. Maybe they are coming tomorrow on the train, Taj Express?

Upendra: No, by air they came.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, no. From Delhi. I thought that maybe he didn't know that, Adri . . .? If it starts from Calcutta at twelve o'clock, it should be arriving at Delhi about two o'clock.

Upendra: Then let's say one hour, then three to here.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: There's a train at five o'clock that I came by, train, five o'clock. It's a very good train. Maybe they didn't know that train. It starts from Nizammuddin Station. So if they're planning to come by train tomorrow, the Taj Express is at seven o'clock in the morning, arriving Mathurā at nine o'clock.

Upendra: Someone could call Delhi.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: I don't know whether they're in the temple or not. I think some of our men came from Delhi temple about four o'clock, arrived in the temple. (break)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And we discussed a number of points. One thing is that I talked to him about Panchashil flat. So I explained to him that he should feel the responsibility for paying for the living there, as we have given him this nice place. So he's agreed to do that. And I told him that whatever he pays, the receipts should be in your name, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. Apparently, the receipts have been issued in the name of M. M. De. So I told him don't do that, because if they get the receipts in their name, then they become the tenant. I don't want that. They're living there as our guest, not as tenants. So he agreed to that. As soon as I mentioned it, he understood what I was talking about. M.M. is a little clever, I think. So then I told him, however, that the permanent electricity was never hooked up. Permanent electricity line was never installed. So since that was an initial giving of the flat, I told him that if he paid for half of that, we would pay the other half. I said but first of all he has to pay and send me the receipt showing that he's paid, and then we'll pay. It's about 650 rupees.

Prabhupāda: Six hundred and fifty?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Half. It's thirteen hundred total. This is for permanent connection of electricity. The flat never has had a permanent connection. The whole building is not permanent. It's a temporary line. So all the . . .

Prabhupāda: Yearly?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no. Once and for all. It's a permanent installation of a permanent line. The yearly electricity bill he'll pay. That's his business. Then he seems to want to repay this amount that we're giving from the postal receipts. So I have no objection. If he repays, then we'll simply follow the original scheme and divide it up accordingly. Or he can divide it up. I don't know why he wants to pay it back. I don't know. I've explained to him that it's a donation. But anyway, it's better he pays it back, and then we can give it to each of the persons involved. I don't think there's any need of taking any loan agreement or anything, is there? Is there any need?

Prabhupāda: I don't think so.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I mean, verbal agreement is enough, isn't it, in dealing with him? I would think so. I mean, I thought it was sufficient if he agrees verbally. No contract or loan agreement. He wants to pay this money back by April. I didn't tell him he had to. I told him it was a donation. But he seems to want to pay it back. So let him if he wants to. Then he wanted me to arrange, so I'm sending . . . I gave the receipts to him, as you saw. I'm sending the letter . . . I'm sending a man to Delhi tomorrow to get a ticket for him, airline ticket.

Prabhupāda: Where he is?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's gone to take his meals now. Then he's going to take rest, he said.

Prabhupāda: And he has got the papers?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He gave them back to me to keep in the almirah locked up. He said until he goes he wants me to keep them carefully. I said all right. And I'm getting him a ticket as well as sending the letters by special mail service to Bombay for Girirāja's signature, so that at least from our side there will not be any reason to delay. And when I showed him the letter that I had written to the bank, he was very satisfied. He could understand that there should be no difficulty now. He was quite confident after reading the letter. The letter is very clearly written, and with the power of attorney it's a complete document. I think everything was done all right. He seemed to be satisfied.

Prabhupāda: So what about kavirāja? He might think it is a whimsical. And that was my last desire. You could not.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: That kavirāja, I wanted. Somehow or other, it has not happened.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't feel that it's conclusively not happened.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Simply, one after another, frustration.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. First we had that Madhva . . . not Madhva; Rāmānujī came from Śrī Raṅgajī temple, and he seemed to be a cheater. Then this one . . . we got this medicine from that śakta-kavirāja, and that medicine turned out to be poison. And now this kavirāja who's supposed to be coming from Calcutta, it's become a mystery where he is. The temple was called, and they said that they've left.

Bhavānanda: Twice.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They called twice to Calcutta, and they said they've left, and yet he's not here. I don't know what to make of it. Very puzzling situation. I think that if by tomorrow noon they have not arrived, then Śatadhanya can go to Calcutta to bring them. If they're going to arrive, they'd arrive by tomorrow noon.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, at the latest.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: At the latest absolutely. I mean, to me, for them to arrive by tomorrow noon was not . . . from the very beginning I would not have felt it was out of the ordinary.

Prabhupāda: They said they have left!

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Still, whatever the reason is.

Prabhupāda: But you are not talking . . . everything is being done by the same Śatadhanya. (laughs)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By the same what?

Prabhupāda: Śatadhanya.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (laughter) Yeah, that's maybe what the problem is.

Prabhupāda: And people are bluffing him, and he says . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And he's bluffing us. (laughs) He seems very sincere, though. It's hard not to believe him.

Prabhupāda: And that was my impression. But how is that? If you take leave, something.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It is a big mystery, this makara-dhvaja. It is like the immortal elixir, very hard to grasp. I think you described the flowers in the sky? There's that Bengali . . .

Bhakti-caru: Ākāśa-kusum?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Well, one thing we could say in favor of the kavirāja delay in coming is that if he had come, then he might have given some medicine right away. But this way, your body has been given a chance to rest from that other thing that you had taken. By not taking medicine for two days now, it's good. It's made . . . the body will become a little more regular. If he had come, naturally he would have wanted to immediately prescribe some medicine. This is not bad, to give the body a rest after such strong medicine. How much did Prabhupāda drink today?

Bhakti-caru: A little over 450.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The stool-passing has stopped?

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Better that you don't drink any more tonight, Śrīla Prabhupāda, except a little bit of miśri-jala or some little bit. Then by tomorrow you should be more normal again. Anyway, our activities are going on—parikramā, kīrtana, Bhāgavatam.

Prabhupāda: Can I go to Calcutta?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I still feel a little confident that we could take you there, but . . . I mean, just like we carry you in the palanquin and you don't have any difficulty, so airplane is like a big palanquin. I mean, you know, there's so many of us, eight or ten of us. I can't see that there could be any difficulty. Of course, I still think the kavirāja is going to come. I have faith in Śatadhanya Maharaja. I think this is simply Kṛṣṇa's test for him. I think the kavirāja will come. The nicest thing will be if the kavirāja treats you for some days, and you get some benefit, and then he takes you . . .

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . you know, we go back with him to Calcutta and Māyāpur. That would be very nice. Of course, he has to first of all come here. I've seen things like this happen before in India, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I mean India is the kind of place where . . .

Bhakti-caru: It's difficult.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's difficult. You could drop out of communication for a day. It's very possible that can happen. It's just a very strange kind of place to communicate and to travel in.

Bhakti-caru: Another thing is that I think this twelve o'clock flight, the noon flight, is not a direct flight. It's a Caravelle that hops, say, from Calcutta, Benares, Allahabad, Lucknow, Delhi.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. So how many hours could that be?

Bhakti-caru: Five, six hours. Takes a long time. And it's not as fast as Boeing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That means it would arrive at 6:30 or 7:00. I think that by tomorrow noon, if they didn't come, then we would have to say that the matter has become hopeless for them coming. And really it's a fact, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that you've been resting today without taking any medicine is not a bad thing, you know.

Bhakti-caru: And the passing stool has stopped.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that stopped. That's the main thing. That was the disturbance—the stool was passing. (pause) So many people are coming to the temple here, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Many pilgrims. The temple is full of people all the time. Lots of pilgrims coming. Devotees were saying that in other temples there's not so much activity as here. Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma are attracting all of the people of the land. Everyone is attracted to Them. But it seems like Rādhā-Śyāmasundara are equally popular. People like Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa very much, and especially in Vṛndāvana. But Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma is unique. I hear them exclaiming. They are at once surprised and pleased to see the two brothers together.

Bhakti-caru: And the śṛṅgāra is so unique here. It's the best.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, everyone says the śṛṅgāra is the best. But for flowers we have not yet the best. So we have to make that. Bhavānanda Maharaja was suggesting a program, Śrīla Prabhupāda. He was suggesting that in that open land on the side of the gurukula, that we could build a prasādam pavilion, and we could serve the public every day free prasādam at noon time. That might become very popular in Vṛndāvana. Ḍāl and cāpāṭis. All the sādhus would come. I don't know if it's a good idea, but he was suggesting.

Prabhupāda: Good idea. Very good idea.

Nayanābhirāma: We used to serve them khicuṛi in the morning. Then they discontinued.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I mean, so many pilgrims come, and there are already so many sādhus living in Vṛndāvana. This would make our temple very, very popular additionally, even more popular than now. So many pilgrims come. I see them. And they're farmers and things, you know. And if we gave that, probably they would be inclined . . . even some of the farmers would bring a little of their . . . you know, thinking to offer something also to the Deities, because they would see that we were giving things.

Prabhupāda: If you distribute prasāda, there will be no scarcity of participants. Bhāta ei kāke āra.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean, Śrīla Prabhupāda? What does that . . .?

Bhakti-caru: "If you scatter rice, then there's no dearth of crows." (laughs)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "No dearth of crows."

Svarūpa Dāmodara: They'll come by the bunches.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems like there's a Bengali proverb for practically everything, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Ektu bhauma bhauma deśa tabu raṅge bara. Explain this.

Bhakti-caru: That "Bengal has been divided into so many different parts, but still it's full of rasas and humor."

Prabhupāda: Bengali people are easy-going. So therefore they can manufacture all these humors. (laughter)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Would your Guru Maharaja tell a lot of Bengali proverbs, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. I learned from him. (laughter)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You once said that he liked you very much, 'cause you were also a Calcutta boy, Calcutta born. (break)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . has money.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, I started to have a talk with him about the . . .

Prabhupāda: You write. You are intelligent. I cannot do anything. I only want . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that point.

Prabhupāda: (crying) I am very poor man, and somehow or other, I built up. And still in my . . .

Kavirāja (Damodara Prasad Shastri): Pranam. (Obeisances.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (whispering) Get Bhakti-caru.

Prabhupāda: Aiye. Aiye. (Please come, come.)

Damodar Prasad: Kuch leit hogaye humlog. (We got a bit delayed.)

Prabhupāda: Aap ke paas makardhwaj hai to humko dijiye, bachiye. (If you have makardhwaja, then give it to me and save me.)

Damodar Prasad: Jaroor aap bachenge aur bahut badhiya makardhwaj hai hamare pass me. (Definitely you will survive and I have a very nice makar-dhvaja with me.)

Prabhupāda: Aap se pura . . . ka hai, allahabad me pura sampann hai vaishnav, makardhwaj, Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu. (From you complete . . . is there in Allahabad, it is complete vaisnava, makardhwaja.)

Damodar Prasad: Hain wo to param viashnav hain, wo to bhagavat avatar hain Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to. Aap bhi to bhaktraj hain unhi sampraday ke hain. (Yes, He is a supreme vaisnava, He is the incarnation of the Supreme Lord. You are also the topmost devotee in the same lineage.)

Prabhupāda: Hamare guruMaharaja.unko prachar ko, prachar ho raha hai . . . (Our spiritual master is preaching, the preaching is going on . . .)

Damodar Prasad: Khub accha ho raha hai. (It is going on very well.)

Prabhupāda: Prachar ho raha hai. Aur thoda kaam baki reh gaya tha. yadi aap bachaiye. (Preaching is going on. Still some work was left, if you save me.)

Damodar Prasad: Wo aapko karna hoga. Aap hi karenge. (That you will have to do. You will only do.)

Prabhupāda: Hum karne ke liye taiyyar hain. Aur sara duniya me gao-gao me ghoom rahe the, tabhi yahan tak aaya. (I am ready to do it. And was going around the whole world from village to village, that is why it came up to here.)

Damodar Prasad: Nahi ye log bhi bahut karte hain. calcutta main bhi kafy, dheere-dheere sare hindustan me, to bahar jab videsh me hai to hindustan me to hoga hi. (No, these people also do a lot, also in Calcutta it is going on, gradually all over India. So when it is around the globe then it will be in India also.)

Prabhupāda: Aap jo karte . . . (If you had done it . . .)

Damodar Prasad: Jaroor karenge Maharaja. (Definitely I will do it Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Aapka shubh naam? (Your kind name?)

Damodar Prasad: Damodar Prasad.

Prabhupāda: Damodar Prasad. Jaisa aap samajhiye. Sri Chaintanya Mahaprabhu ka sapna rahe, aap ke paas makardhwaj hai. (How you feel best. It was the dream of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you have the makardhwaja.)

Damodar Prasad: Unhi ki kripa hai. manushya to nimmit matra hota hai na, 'nimmit matra bhava sabhyasachin'. Accha abhi Maharaja ko taklif kya hai? Urine theek hota hai? (It is His mercy, the living being is just an instrument, "Nimmit matra bhava sabhysachin." Okay now what is your ailment?)

Adri-dhāraṇa: (translating) What is the actual problems?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The problems are that . . . the biggest problem . .

Damodar Prasad: Accha urine ka koi test karaya tha? Koi report kuch hai? Kuch nahi. (Okay had you got any urine test done? Is there any report? Nothing?)

Adri-dhāraṇa: (translating) Any test on the urine?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is the urine report? . . . (indistinct) . . . urine report. They sent.

Adri-dhāraṇa: Where's the descriptions? (background discussion as they try to find)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is Bhakti-caru? (break)

Damodar Prasad: Thoda Maharaja jeebh nikaliye. Ab nikaliyega, theek hai. Apna Sri Ramauja Ayurveda Dham bolke dawakhana hai, kalakar street mein. Pehle mandiram bangan ke charitable . . . baidya tha. 2 saal reh karke phir 25 saal se apna chikitsalaya. (Just show your tongue Mahāprabhu, now take it out, okay. My pharmacy is named Sri Ramanuja Ayurveda Dham in Kalakar street. First I was a physician in the Mandiram Bangan charitable trust. I worked for 2 years and started my own clinic and it has been 25 years since I started my clinic.)

Prabhupāda: Aap ka vishay bangar bola hai. (Bangar had mentioned you.)

Damodar Prasad: Bangar ji ke pehle raha tha. Wo to aapke param bhakt hain. Ye Maharaja ko soojan hai, ye kitne roz se hai? (I stayed at Bangar's place initially, he is your greatest devotee. This swelling, how long has it been there?)

Bhakti-caru: Since when is that dropsy, he said.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The dropsy is more than one year.

Prabhupāda: No, one year . . . less.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I mean, I asked Hari-śauri. He said that that swelling has been there for a long time, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I've seen it for ages . . .

Damodar Prasad: Aapko kitne roz se ye sot hai. (Since how many days is the swelling there?)

Prabhupāda: Aisa maloom hota hai 6 mahina se. (It looks like it has been there since 6 months.)

Damodar Prasad: Accha 6 maas se hai. to us beech jab apko sot aaya to peshab me koi blood ya pus ya peshab me jalan kuch hua hai apko? Peshab kabhi rukna? (Okay so it has been there for 6 months. During this did you get any blood or pus in the urine or did you have a burning sensation in urine? Did the urine flow stop?)

Prabhupāda: Ruka tha shayad. Wo thoda sankoch ho gaya tha . . . (I think it stopped, I felt a little shy . . .)

Damodar Prasad: Aur ki shikayat nahi hua thai? Abhi blood nahi aaya urine me? (There was no other complaint? Now did you get blood in the urine?)

Prabhupāda: Ye log bolta hai aaj ka nahi. (These people say it is not from today.)

Damodar Prasad: Abhi 3-4 din me aaya? (Did it come in these 3-4 days?)

Bhakti-caru: (translating) Last three, four days, any blood in the urine?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.

Damodar Prasad: Kabhi nahi, vo dasht vagera kuch bhi nahi aaya hai. Accha peshab quantity kitna hota hai inko? Sab likha hua hai kya? Accha medicine jo chalta hai wo allopath chalta hai? (Never? You never had any vomiting? Okay how much is the quantity of urine he passes?)

Bhakti-caru: Abhi koi medicine nahi chalta hai. (He is not taking any medicines.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Give him the book. He'll see the quantity.

Kavirāja: Kal kum hua peshaab. 12 baje raat ko hua tha aur 50cc aur aaj 6 baje hua tha 75cc, 10.30 baje ko subah hua tha 50cc, 2.30 ko hua tha 50cc, 9 baje 50cc, 11 baje 50cc. (Yesterday urine was less. He got 50cc at 12 midnight, today at 6 am 75cc, 10.30 he had 50cc, at 2.30 50cc, at 9pm 50cc, 11pm 50cc.)

Bhakti-caru: Matlab 325cc hua tha kal. parson hua tha 375, usse pehle hua tha 290, uske pehle din hua tha 465. (Means yesterday he had 325cc and day before he had 375cc, before that he had 290cc, the day before he had 465cc.)

Bhavānanda: Tell him when the urine was bloody . . .

Prabhupad: Peshab . . . kar dijiye aur doodh lenge. (Urine . . . do it and I will have milk.)

Damodar Prasad: Thoda so pet dekhna tha. (I wanted to examine your stomach.)

Bhavānanda: When was the urine was bloody? One week ago?

Bhakti-caru: That was about ten days back. Kareeb 10 roz pehle peshab ke saath thoda blood aaya tha, pink colour tha. (Nearly 10 days before he had blood in his urine and the color was pink.)

Bhavānanda: And tell him that Prabhupāda took allopathic medicine last week. He asked for information.

Bhakti-caru: Let him see it first.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Can Prabhupāda lie on his back?

Kavirāja: Maharaja aaj kuch dard hai kya? Main haat lagata hoon. (Mahārāja, do you have any pain today? I will check.)

Prabhupāda: Who has come with him?

Śatadhanya: This is Adri-dhāraṇa dāsa, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I told you about him, that he's collecting very big in Calcutta, making many members. So he has come with the kavirāja personally.

Prabhupāda: He belongs to which province?

Adri-dhāraṇa: I was born in Bombay, but my parents are from Sindh.

Śatadhanya: Sindhi.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But he's born in Bombay.

Bhakti-caru: And he joined in Florida, yes?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: International.

Kavirāja: Unko salt dete hain khane ko, namak. (Do you give salt in his diet to eat?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi. (No.)

Kaviraja: Kitne roz se band hai? (Since how many days have you stopped giving him salt?)

Bhakti-caru: Namak band hai bahut dino se kareeb 4 mahina, teen mahina to hoga. (Salt we have stopped, almost since 4 months—at least 3 months.)

Kaviraja: Accha char mahine pehle ka inka urine vagera ka koi report ha inka kuch nahi? (Okay, do you have any urine reports before 4 months, no?)

Bhakti-caru: Chaar mahina? (4 months?) About six months back we had a report.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Urine specimen report?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. This is the . . . he's asking about that time, four or five months ago.

Bhavānanda: This one is from . . .

Bhakti-caru: Yes, this is very recent.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's better.

Kavirāja: Pani kaisa peete hain? (How much water does he drink?)

Bhakti-caru: Pani, ab to phal ka ras peete hain. Pani thoda bahut pee lete hain. Soch lijiye 160ml. (Water, now he has fruit juice. He drinks very little water, maybe 160ml.)

Kaviraja: Wo ubal ke dete hain kaise dete hain? (How do you give it, do you boil?)

Bhakti-caru: Ganga pani de raha tha. (We are giving him ganges water.)

Kaviraja: Aur khane me diet kya hoti hai? (And what is his food diet?)

Bhati-charu: Diet me to sirf phal ki ras. jaise din me 7-800ml kabhi-kabhi. 1 liter ras-pani milake. (In his diet he takes only fruit juice, like in a day 7 to 800ml, sometimes 1 liter mixed with water.)

Kaviraja: Aur kya milk dete hain? (Do you give him milk?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi milk kabhi nahi dete hain. milk dene se cough hota hai, uske baad se band kar diya. (No we never give milk, if he takes milk he develops a cough, so we stopped since then.)

Kaviraja: To kya dete hain? Mattha vagera? (Then what do you give him, plain buttermilk etc.?)

Bhakti-caru: Mattha vagera, kal puche the wo mattha ke bare me to unhone nahi dene ko kaha aur luci. (Yesterday we asked, they said not to give him buttermilk and pancakes.)

Prabhupāda: Lucī.

Kavirāja: Lucī! Jab blood pressure check kiya tha to kitna tha? (When you checked his blood pressure, how much was it?)

Bhakti-caru: Pressure 150/80. Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh came. Karib 10-12 roj pehle pressure tha 180 and 80. (10 to 12 days before BP it was 180/80.)

Kaviraja: Accha kabhi inko kabhi deceps diya hua hai kya? (Okay, have you ever given him deceps?)

Bhakti-caru: Haan. (Yes.)

Kaviraja: Abhi dete hain? (Now are you giving?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi, abhi nahi. pehle karib 6 mahina pehle se hua tha. to uske baad karib 4 mahina pehle band kar diya tha aur lasix bhi deta tha jab peshaab band ho jata tha aur tabhi lasex dete the, peshaab kahbhi-kabhi band ho jata tha. (No, not now. He had it 6 months before so after that, for 4 months we stopped and we used to give Lasix when urine has stopped.)

Kaviraja: Kyunki inko prostate ka gol-maal to pehle se hi hai. Dekhne se maloom padta hai. paurush ka . . . isko prostate bolte hain. Usme bol-maal hai, kidney bhi badhiya thee. Ye to sujan wagera hai, ye sab to brick ki waja se hai. To Maharaja aap makardhwaj ke liye kaise keh rahe hain. Isme makardhwaj chalega naaah. To doosra hi makardhwaj denge aako, aap theek ho jaenge. Aapko kabhi mercury ka medicne nahi chal sakta hai. Arsenic aur mercury aap ke liye poison hai. (Because he has prostate problems from the beginning. We can make it out just by the appearance. This is a gent's gland and is called the prostate. It is not in good condition. The Kidneys are also fine, there is some swelling and this is because of brick. So Maharaja, how are you mentioning about makara-dhvaja? In this condition makara-dhvaja will not work, so I will give a different makara-dhvaja. You will get cured. Any mercury medicine will not work for you. Arsenic and mercury are poison for you.) (He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupāda can't take makara-dhvaja). That any medicine that contains mercury and arsenic is poison to him.

Bhavānanda: That's what Prabhupāda said.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is a fact. He found that to be true.

Kavirāja: Arre bahut medicine hai. Aap medicine se inko control kar lenge. Time lagega inko kyunki liver bhi badhiya nahi hai. Liver ka function bhi badhiya nah hai. (Oh, there is lots of medicine. You can control his condition with medicine. But it will take time because his liver is not in good condition also.)

Bhakti-caru: He said had he started treating Śrīla Prabhupāda a month and a half ago, it would have been a lot better.

Prabhupāda: Wo abhi kya fayda hai. Aap to calcutta me rehte hain. Humko jana padega kya? (What is the benefit now? You stay in Calcutta. Do we have to go?)

Bhakti-caru: Unhone poochte hain ki unko jana padega kya calcutta ke us taraf. (He is asking whether he should go to Calcutta?)

Kaviraja: Inko, ab 10-15 din me inka position theek ho jayega. To baad me calcutta aa jayenge nahi to yahin vyavasta ho jayega aur kya. Maine aap ko aaj dekh liya hai na ab mai wo telephone se bhi sab samajh sakta hoon. Mujhe dekhne ki zaroorat nahi hai. (For him? Now in 10 to 15 days his position will be alright, then he can come to Calcutta—otherwise I will make arrangements here only. Today I have seen you, I can enquire over the telephone also, there is no need for me to see you.)

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupad ka Mayapur vapas jane ka. (How about Srila Prabhupāda going back to Māyāpur?)

Kaviraja: Nahi ye kuch theek ho jaye na. ab is halat me mai inko advice nahi deta hoon ki inko le jana chahiye. (No let him recover, in this condition I would not advise to take him anywhere.)

Bhakti-caru: Aap theek kar dijiye pehle to uske baad vapas le jayenge. (You first cure him then we will take him back.)

Kaviraja: Theek ho jayenge. Ab to chalna-phirna, jana, khana-peena, sab aapka svasth theek ho jayega. (He will be alright. Now you will start walking, going around, eating and drinking everything properly. Your health will be alright.)

Bhakti-caru: He's saying that after ten days Prabhupāda's condition will be completely improved.

Kavirāja: Humne to ye vichar kiya tha, humko nahi maloom tha ki apko kidney ka trouble hai. Agar sadharan hoga to hum unko rasayan prayog karayenge. Budhape ki sab se badhiya dawai. chark sab se bada physician hua hai, uske barabar koi physician nahi. wo likhta hai 'yat jara-vyadhi vidhwamsi' jo vriddha awastha aur bimari dono ko nasht karta hai uska naam rasayan hai. to apko pehle hum theek kar dete hain phir rasayan ka prayog karenge. aap theek ho jayenge, isme koi sandeh nahi hai kyunki aap parhez se rehte hain. wo rogi theek nahi hota hai jo parhez nahi karta hai. (I had thought in this way, I did not know that you had kidney problems. If it is not very serious then I will cure him with chemicals. It is the best medicine for old age. Charvak has been the greatest physician, there is no physician greater than him. He writes "Yat jara vyadhi vidhvams". One which destroys both old age and illness is called chemical. First I will cure you and then we shall try chemicals with you. You will be alright, there is no doubt about it because you follow a lot of restrictions. That person does not get cured who does not have restrictions.)

Prabhupāda: Aap jaisa boliyega. (I shall follow whatever you say.)

Kaviraja: Bas vaise hi dheere dheere hum apka sab chart bana denge. kya khane ko dena hai, kis tarah se aur kya medicine sab vyavastha hum kar denge aapki. Phir kidney ke liye hum ek yog barate hain brik-sanjeevan ark. Isko kidney ko ayurved me brik kehte hain aur musalman usko gurda kehte hain aur doctor log usko kidney kehte hain. To uske repair ke liye ek ark hai 25-30 dawaiyon ka. Wo hum bhejenge. Aap roj usko adha bottle kar ke pi lijiye, ganga-jal me banaya hua hai. mere yahan jitne bhi aushadhi bantey hain wo ganga-jal me banti hain aur visuddh tarike se aushadhiyan banti hain. (Like this, gradually I will prepare all your charts—what diet to follow, how and what medicines. I will make all your arrangements. For your kidney, I have a treatment called brik-sanjeevani ark. This is called brik in Ayurveda and the Muslims call it "Gurda". And the doctors call it kidney. So for its repair, there is one ark made from 25 to 30 medicines. That I will send and daily you drink half a bottle of it, it is made from Ganges water. In my clinic all medicines are made from ganges water and they are made with the utmost cleanliness and care.)

Prabhupāda: To aap idhar kuch din rahenge? (You will stay here for a few days?)

Bhakti-caru: Aap tehrenge na kuch din ke liye. (You will stay here for a few days?)

Kaviraja: Tehrne ka matlab ye hai ki apka maharj bimari aisa hai ki jaisa 2-4 roz me apka bimari koi fayda hone wala bimari nahi hai. Ye zaroor hai soojan kum ho jayega. Baki to dheere-dheere liver, aaten, sab shithiyan theek hongi na viase hi apko 2 roz me maloom pad jayega ki mera swast theek ho raha hai. (Staying here means your illness is such that in 2 to 4 days your illness will not be cured, there is no use. But it is there that the swelling has reduced. The other organs will also recover with the passage of time and you will come to know that I am feeling better.)

Prabhupāda: Aap abhi 2-4 roz yahan rahiye. (You also stay here for 2 to 4 days.)

Kaviraja: Dekhiye mai kal tak to hu hi, kal aapki sab vyavastha mujhe karni hai, sab hisab tara biathana hai. Uske baad me hi ye mujhe vishwas hai apka hrdaya dekhte hue aap theek ho jayenge. Yadi aadmi mota-tazaa hai aur jiska hrday theek nahi hai, uska fake nahi karte ki kya hoga, ye jo heart ka jo parts aapka wo bahut sundar hai isliye hum ye ummid karte hai ki aap swast ho jayenge. Aap to bhook ke liye kehte hain. 15-20 din me apko bhook lagegi, andar se ruchi hogi. abhi to ruchi . . . tatti kaise hota hai Maharaja? (See I am here until tomorrow. I have to make all arrangements for you, settle all the accounts and after that I have faith that you will recover. Soon I will look at the condition of your heart. One who is sturdy and healthy but whose heart condition is bad, we cannot predict what will happen. These parts of your heart are in very good condition. Hence I hope that you will recover. You mentioned hunger, in 15 to 20 days you will start feeling hungry and you will develop taste from within, now the taste . . . how is your motion Mahārāja?)

Prabhupāda: Tatti kya, kuch khayenge tab na hoga. (What motion? Only if I eat something I will get a motion.)

Kaviraja: Nahi kuch kabzi rehti hai kya. Hota hai kabhi-kabhi. (No, do you have any flatulence?It happens sometimes.)

Bhakti-caru: Tatti dekhiye, pehle to humlog anema dete the. makardhwaj dene ke baad, do roz pehle inko tatti ho raha tha, patla tatti, thoda gadha, kala rang ka tha. (Motion, initially we used to give him enemas. After giving makara-dhvaja two days before, he had a motion. Very loose stool, slightly hard and black in color.)

Kaviraja: Accha makardhwaj kitne roz se khate hain aap. pehle bhi khate the. (Okay makara-dhvaja, from how many days have you been taking that? You took it in the beginning also?)

Bhakti-caru: Pehle nahi khate the. (No, before he did not have it.)

Kaviraja: Accha, makardhwaj kaun bataya? (Who referred this makara-dhvaja?)

Bhakti-caru: Aisa hua yahan pe ek kaviraj unko dekh rahe the to wo makardhwaj tayyar kar rahe the. (It so happened that one physician here was seeing him, so he was preparing makara-dhvaja.)

Kaviraja: Inko to makardhwaj de hi nahi sakte hain, kaise diya, hum samajhte hain kaviraj nahi hai. (He should not be given makara-dhvajaat all, why did he give it? I feel he is not a physician.)

Bhakti-caru: Wo jo kaviraj tha wo bataya ki Prabhupad ki halat abhi makardhwaj lene ki layak nahi hai. (That physician said that Prabhupāda's condition was such that he could not be given makara-dhvaja.)

Kaviraja: Accha makardhwaj mere paas aisa bana hai ki shayad 12 dafey dwadash purna bali zari thee. Wo kam-se-kam dedh maas me tayyar hua, bahut badhiya hai. Hum de nahi sakte Maharaja. wo brahmastra hai par apke liye bahut kharab. Jab tak ki hum kidney ko saaf nahi kar lete; kidney ko jaam kar dega wo, mercury jo hai wo kidney ko jaam kar dega. (Okay, I have prepared makara-dhvajain such a way probably twelve times dvadash purna bali thi. It was prepared in a minimum of one and a half months, it is very nice. But I cannot give it to you Maharaja. It is a brahmastra, but very bad for you. We can't clean the kidney, it will block the kidney.)

Prabhupāda: Aap jaise boliyega vaise karega. To bhojan? (I will follow whatever you say. How about lunch?)

Kaviraja: Abhi to bhojan nahi karega. Apka hrday dekhte hue mujhe ye santosh hai apka machine phir theek ho jayega. Accha raat ko neend kaise aata hai Maharaja? (I will not have lunch now. By looking at your heart condition I feel very satisfied that the machine will be back in action again. Okay, how are you sleeping at night?)

Prabhupāda: Neend kabhi-kabhi aata nahi, kabhi-kabhi aata hai. (Sometimes I don't get sleep, and sometimes I sleep.)

Kaviraja: Pehle vaise aap rrat ko jagte the kya? (Otherwise were you staying awake at night earlier?)

Prabhupāda: Haan, kitab likhte hai na isliye. Bahut kitab likha hai. (Yes, I had to write books, I have written a lot of books.)

Bhakti-caru: Unhone to pura Srimad Bhagavatam, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Bhagavad-Gita anuvad kiya hai. to sara-sara raat bhar unhone . . . (He has written purports for complete Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Bhagavad-gītā. So the whole night he would stay awake.)

Kaviraja: Bus yahi baat hai.baat ye hai ki sharir ke saath apne sharir ki parvah nahi ki kabhi. (That's all, this is the fact. The fact is that with your body, you never paid attention to your body.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi kiya. (No I did not.)

Kaviraja: Khair abhi isko swast rakhenge aur Maharaja iska parvah karna kyon ki iske bagair koi bhi kaam nahi ho sakta hai. To aap sote-sote bhi karte rahenge to apka ye dhanda jo apka ye prachar hai dharm ka ye bahut accha hota rahega. Abhi to aapka rehna bahut nitaant avashyak hai aur uske liye ye makaan jo apka jarjari to ho gaya hai apka sharir isko paripusht karna hai. (Anyhow, now we shall keep it healthy and take care of it Mahārāja because without this body, we cannot do any work. Even while lying down you can continue service. This preaching of Kṛṣṇa consciousness will go on very well. Now your survival is of the utmost necessity and for this, your body which has worn out, must be rejuvenated.)

Prabhupāda: Aap jaise boliye, Mahaprabhu ki kripa. (As per your directions. The mercy of Mahāprabhu.)

Kaviraja: Prabhu ki kripa hai. Wohi to karta hai. Gita me likha hai na manushya kuch nahi, nimmit matra hota hai. Wohi karta hai aur wohi karata hai. (It is Mahāprabhu's mercy, He is the doer. In the Gītā it is mentioned that a living entity is nothing, a mere instrument. He is the doer and he makes us do.)

Prabhupāda: So, you make the chart, and you mix, and you follow. Hum chahte to hain . . . aap bahut door me hain jab jaroorat hoga kaise apke darshan . . . (I like . . . you are staying very far and if required, how can I see you?)

Kavirāja: Koi vyavastha kar denge, hamare pratinidhi ka aisa vyavastha kar denge yahin theek hai, apko sambhalta rahega. Wo vyavastha sab ho jayegi. Wo Chaitanya Mahaprabhu jo chahenge na bus wohi. Jo chahenge wohi hoga nischay isme koi sandeh nahi. to ab aap aaram kijiye. Kal subah phir mai dekh ke apki vyavastha. (I will make some arrangements. My representative will be here to take care of it, he will manage things—all will be arranged. Whatever Caitanya Mahāprabhu desires will happen. There is no doubt about this. So now you rest. Tomorrow morning I will come to see you and make arrangements.)

Prabhupāda: (to Adri-dhāraṇa) Aashirwad. (Blessings.) Tickets.

Kaviraja: Kya hua zaldi aa jate hum. Humne gadi kiya, wo taxi maine kaha zaldi pahucha dega wo der laga diya, hum to panch baje plane aa gaya tha theek. wo taxi wala 6-7, wo raaste me kharab bhi ho gaya. jaldi jake pahuche, Maharaja ka darshan kare, Maharaja ko dekhe. ab apko dekh liya ab tassali ho gayi. (I would have come earlier. I hired a taxi and he said we would reach early but he delayed, my plane had landed at 5am sharp. That taxi driver came at 6am to 7am, and the car also had a problem on the way. I was eager to reach early, have your audience . . . to see you Mahārāja. Now I have seen you, I am satisfied.)

Prabhupāda: Apka naam? (Your name?)

Kaviraja: Damodar Mishra, dasa-anudas. (recites verse). Mane sansar ko pavitra karte hain. Wo khud to pavitra hain hi, uski baat kya hai. (Servant of the servant (verse). Means he purifies the world, he himself is pure, what to speak about him.)

Prabhupāda: Aap kis desh ke rehne wale hain? (Which state are you from?)

Kaviraja: Rajasthan. Mere pita bahut vaishnav the aur swayam paki the wo. Teen gayatri ka purashran kiya unhone, theesre me gayatri samne aa gayi unke. Calcutta me pani pee ke Rajasthan me pani peete the. Hum to kuch nahi kar sakte. Hum to ye dhanda pakad liye na vaidya ka. Ab raat me dekhne jate hain, din me dekhne jaate hain to kitni daphe nahayenge hum. hum utna nahi kar sakte hain, par unka jo vigrha hai, gopalji ka murti, laddoo gopal aur saligram, uska seva me hai bus. aaj mera kisi halat me nikas nahi tha. 2-3 case aise the; jo Singhaniaji jo hain na, unhone kaha ki aap yahan log se reh rahe hain. aap wahan swamijike pas jayenge. aisa kartavya aaj tak maine kisi patient ko nahi dekha hai. theek 10.30 baje mai dispensary se uthke, humko ticket bhi nahi mil raha tha aaj, wo to apki kripa thi to ticket mil gaya. Isliye bhagvan jo karta hai na wo badhiya-se-badhiya karta hai. (Rajasthan. My father was a pure vaisnava and would prepare his food. He had done three gayatris purashran, and in the third one Gayatri appeared before him. He used to drink water in Calcutta and then drink water only in Rajasthan. I cannot do anything. I took up this profession of physician. Now I have to see patients in the night and in the day a number of times. How many times can I bathe? I cannot have so many austerities. But the Deity of Gopalji. Laddoo Gopal and Saligram, I serve them that's all. Today in any condition my escape was not there, 2 to 3 cases had come. Mr. Singhania said that you are here because of the people. You are going to see the saintly person. Until today, I have not seen any patient so duty bound. I left the dispensary at 10.30am directly, and I was also not having a ticket but it was your mercy that I got the ticket. That is why whatever God does, he does the best for everyone.)

Bhakti-caru: (to Adri-dhāraṇa) Did you pay for the tickets?

Adri-dhāraṇa: Yes, yes, Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Aap jaisa bokiye waisa karenge. (Whatever you say we shall do.)

Kavirāja: Sab theek hoga. Aap tp khud sarva shaktiman hain. ye to sharir ko kuch bhogan padta hai manushya ko. (Everything will be alright. You are all-powerful. This bodily discomfort has to be borne by the living entities.) (leaves) (break)

Prabhupāda: Baat ye hai ki shishya bahut kiya hai, ab unse lena pada. (The thing is that my disciples have served me well, now I have to take service from them.)

Kaviraja: (verse) Ye sharir jo hai ye paropkar ke liye hai, koi swarth ke liye nahi. Accha Maharaja ye to nashwan to hai hi. Wo jo sharir ki jo prakriya hai usme jitna jo aap kaam kar gaya, utna koi jaldi se karne wala nahi. (This body of ours is meant for doing good to others, not for our selfish motives. Okay Maharaja, this body is destructible. The activities of this body, in that the amount you have done so fast no one can do.)

Prabhupāda: Aapka kitna umar hua? (How old are you?)

Kaviraja: Mera umar hai 51. 3 ladka 1 ladki. Sab theek hai, sansar me kaun kiska baccha hai, kaun kiski ladki hai, kaun kiski bahu hai, ye sanjog.baki sab theek hai, anand. Bada ladka bhi abhi ashtang me ayurvedic aur doctori dono paas kar liya hai. Hum bhi jahan padhe the allopathy saath me pade the par hamara vishay jo english ka kamzor tha. Hamara sanskrit me to 4 ghanta mool bhagvat mera padha hua hai. aur puran, mahabharat sab mera addhyan kiya hua hai, vyakaran ka shastri hoon. To ayurved ka acharya hoon Jaipur se aur Delhi se. To us samay allopath me meri badi bhakti thi. Uske baad me 1 case humko mila kidney ka TB. Uska humne 2 varsh me jake ilaaz kiya. To jo apke sanskriti me hai, jo apke ayurved me hai wo sansar me kahin bhi nahi hai. Ye humne dekha hai. Hum prayog karte hain ekdum ayurvedic dawai aur usme safalta milti hai. ab dekhiye aap ayurved se hi theek ho jayenge. Ye aap ka jo kamzor pada hai na, ye haddi-haddi hai na, isme maans aayega, blood ayega dheere-dheere. To jaise liver kaam karega, liver ka function theek hoga, kidney kaam karegi. Kidney to mul ko nikalti hai, dooshit mul ko aur liver jo hai sanchar karti hai. To aap dheere-dheere swast ho jayenge. Waise aap ki umar kya hai, assi se upar hogi Maharaja. (I am 51 years old. I have 3 sons and one daughter. Everything is alright in life. Who is one's child, who is one's son and who is one's daughter in law—this is luck, we are happy. The older son has passed both Ayurveda and doctor's degree. Where I studied allopathy, we studied together. My English was a little weak. But I was good at Sanskrit and I have read the Bhāgavatam, Mahabharata, puranas and read all the scriptures. I am a scholar in grammar and a master in Ayurveda from Jaipur and Delhi. In those days I had a lot of devotion to allopathy. But then I got one case of kidney TB, in my kidney. It took two years to treat the patient. So whatever is there in our culture, in our Ayurveda, is not found anywhere in the world. We have seen this and we practice it. We get good success in Ayurveda treatment. Now you see you will regain your health by Ayurveda only. You have become so weak, only bones, but gradually you will develop muscles, fat and blood. Your liver will start functioning . . . your kidney will improve in condition. The kidney removes the waste matter and the liver transmits it. You will come back to health. By the way, how old are you? You must be more than 80.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Kaviraja: Ek baat aur bataoon mai. Aap shayad jante nahi honge. hamare gaon ke ek pujariji hain. unko kisi jyotishi ne bata diya ki unko mark hai, unko sangrhani ka beemari tha. Mai desh gaya maine kaha Maharaja aap purport hi le lijiye. Bole nahi mere janm kundali me mrtyu likha hai. karthik ke nahine me unka dehant ho gaya. unko 10-20 tatti lagti thi. maine unko purporti di, 5 varsh aur jinda rahe uske baad me heart fail se mare hai. To calculation me kabhi galti hone se bhi aisa ho jata hai ki aage-peeche ka time nikal jata hai. Baki jo dekhne wala hoga janmkundali wo to ekdam sahi real cheez hai. But apki machine ki shithi ko dekhte hue hum ye nahi kah sakte abhi. yadi humko kuch gadbad maloom ho jata to hum keh dete ki Maharaja sharir idhar reh jayega, ye sab ka nahi jayega, sab ka jayega sharir. koi ka rahega nahi. Baki aapke heart ka halat dekhte hue hum ye ummid karte hain ki aap swast rahe. Baki Chaitanya Mahaprabhu hain, karne wala to wo hi hai. (I will tell you something, you might not be aware of it. There is a pujari in our temple in the village. Some astrologer told him that he has a mark. He had Sangrahani disease. I went to a country and I told Mahārāja, you take only the purport, but he said that death is written. In his horoscope, he died in the month of Kārtika. He used to pass stool 10 to 20 times. I gave him purport and he stayed alive for another 5 years but died of heart failure. So if there is sometimes a mistake in the calculation, also it happens that the past and future times pass away but the one who sees the horoscope is actually the real one.

Looking at the condition of your machine I cannot say anything now. If I had known that there was some discrepancy then I would have told you that Maharaja—the material body is going to stay here, all this will not go anywhere, everyone's body will perish, no one can stay here. Looking at the condition of your heart, I hope that you remain healthy. Otherwise Caitanya Mahāprabhu is there, He is the only doer.)

Prabhupāda: Aap chale jaye to bata dijiye. (When you are leaving you must inform me.)

Kaviraja: Chale, theek hai subah darshan karoonga aapka. (Let's go. Okay, in the morning I shall meet you. I can see you once.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm? What do you think?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, it's hard to . . . I couldn't follow everything because it was in Hindi.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He, erm, he talks a lot. Of course, Marwaris always talk a lot. He's a Marwari, so they always talk like that. We'll have to see how his medicine works, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There's no way to tell; we are always getting fooled. But first impression simply by seeing is very difficult in this age. I would rather . . .

Prabhupāda: No, this is the last. We have tried. So, let us follow him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes. Definitely we should try his medicine.

Prabhupāda: Adri?

Adri-dhāraṇa: Yes, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: So, what is that? Huh?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: You give him some hint. He was going to talk, and you stopped him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Going to what?

Prabhupāda: Calcutta me bada practice hai inka? (In Calcutta does he have a big practice?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (to Adri-dharaṇa) Does he have a big practice in Calcutta?

Adri-dharaṇa: Yes, very big practice. He is known for his quality, mixing of drugs.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Acchā. Big practice in Calcutta.

Adri-dharaṇa: On the plane he met another doctor, and he chastised him for making diluted drugs. So it seems . . .

Prabhupāda: Huh? Śāstrī?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says that on the plane he met another doctor, so he chastised that other doctor for making diluted drugs. He's known for his upstanding qualities in making . . . the mixing of drugs purely.

Adri-dharaṇa: Everything he makes, he claims that he makes by the hand. And he's also recommended by another Rāmānuja Āyur-veda. Actually, we had gone to see him there, and he said to approach this man. He said this is the best man in the field.

Prabhupāda: Who is that man?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is the other man?

Adri-dharaṇa: That man, Govardhanji, he is on . . . (indistinct) . . . Cotton Street, and he was recommended by L. N. Bangor.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who, the other one?

Adri-dharaṇa: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But he would not come.

Adri-dharaṇa: No, he said that, "You need the best man for this," and he said . . . he recommended him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That other one, Govardhanji, he was a Rāmānuja?

Adri-dharaṇa: Also Rāmānuja, but not so staunch as this man.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: L. N. Bangor recommended another one, but that other one, when Adri-dharaṇa went there, the other one recommended this one, saying this one is better. And Adri-dharaṇa said this one is more staunch.

Adri-dharaṇa: And when I came he was very . . . he had many good Vaiṣṇava qualities. Immediately he said: "This is for Gurujī, for a devotees. I am not take anything. I'll do all my services free."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's a good quality.

Adri-dharaṇa: Actually, when he flies and . . .

Prabhupāda: So, this is a last resort. Whatever it may be. Is that all right?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Of course, we don't mind going on looking one after another for . . .

Prabhupāda: Huh. No more. No more trial. Adri-dharaṇa?

Adri-dharaṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: What do you think?

Adri-dharaṇa: About this man?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Follow strictly.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you agree that we should follow strictly his advice?

Adri-dharaṇa: From my experience I think he's a very good man. He's a Vaiṣṇava.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We certainly have . . . we might as well try. We've tried everyone else.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So let us try.

Bhavānanda: He did agree with your own diagnosis, Prabhupāda. He said makara-dhvaja at this point would be poison, and today you said that it was poison.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bhavānanda: So that was . . .

Prabhupāda: Mmm.

Śatadhanya: (whispering) Does he look like the man in the dream?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śatadhanya asked whether he looks like the man you saw in the dream.

Prabhupāda: He has tilaka?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, he has nice tilaka.

Prabhupāda: The other man, he has not tilaka?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Govardhanji has tilaka?

Adri-dharaṇa: No.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.

Prabhupāda: That's all right.

Adri-dharaṇa: Also Govardhanji was not very . . . extremely helpful. He said he would not come to Vṛndāvana. He said he would not . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now this man said in fifteen days Prabhupāda would be better?

Adri-dharaṇa: He said there will be improvement. In a few days, two or three days, there will be improvement.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he's staying for two or three days at least? Or is he going to stay one day and leave?

Adri-dharaṇa: So he is not . . . his mind is not made up. I'll have to talk to him and ask him to stay longer.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let him first of all prescribe . . .

Adri-dharaṇa: Medicine.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But he should stay to see what the effect of the medicine is. Supposing he prescribes, and it has a reverse reaction? Then if he's gone how will he see anything?

Prabhupāda: No, whatever chart he has made, he'll follow.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, we can follow, but if it has a bad reaction, you'll want to change it, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We can't say that we'll follow blindly. If something is given and it doesn't work properly, you'll want to have it adjusted. Better if he stays here for some time with you.

Adri-dharaṇa: At least some days.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: At least for a few days he should stay here and see how the medicine is working.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. First of all let him make chart.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, of course. No, that's right. First he should make prescription, and then we'll see.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So Adri, you should go with him. You are staying in that room with him?

Adri-dharaṇa: Yes, I'm staying with him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So why don't you go? I told him to go, be with the kavirāja.

Prabhupāda: Mm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's staying in the same room with him.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They gave him the governor's room, that number thirty-one, the big room. Śrīla Prabhupāda, may I talk to you about Vrindavan Chandra?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I had a little talk with him, you know.

Prabhupāda: Ha.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause you're giving him about . . . he gets about 800 rupees a month from the BBT for travel expenses.

Prabhupāda: Mm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So I have some experience with myself as organizing books distribution.

Prabhupāda: Hmm, hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So when we would spend with our Rādhā-Dāmodara party, we used to spend about five thousand dollars a month for travel expenses, but for that five thousand dollars we would make a hundred thousand dollars.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In other words, twenty times whatever we spent on travelling . . .

Prabhupāda: And if he does not give substantial order, then stop it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, he's not giving any order. I mean, the point I made to him was that . . .

Prabhupāda: Then don't give.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I told him, "Vrindavan, you're getting 800 rupees, so for that 800 rupees you must be booking ten to twenty thousand rupees' worth of orders."

Prabhupāda: So if he's not giving, then stop it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So I said to him, "If you're getting ten to twenty thousand, either . . . two things are happening: either you're not getting the orders—then what is the use of spending 800 rupees?"

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Or the other thing is that you're getting the orders but you're not giving any money to the BBT."

Prabhupāda: Then let them be satisfied with stipends, two hundred, three hundred, live in that house, and then like that, nothing wrong.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I have no objection to paying him if he was doing business, but . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . I just see he's not doing it.

Prabhupāda: I fully depend on your discrimination. I . . . if he's not giving bill, then just stop it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I told him that, "If you do business, you take the 800 rupees, but doing business means you'll pay the BBT some bills."

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "If you're not paying any bills it means you're not doing business." He is . . .

Prabhupāda: Very carefully the . . . I want they may not . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Squander.

Prabhupāda: . . . suffer for want of stipend and place. That's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Do like that, and I fully depend on you. If he's not giving business, what is the use of?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He is spen . . . I think he's just taking the money and using it for some other business. He can't be spending 800 rupees and not doing any business.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And if he's spending the 800 for traveling and not booking order, then what is the use of spending the 800 rupees?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tell him frankly.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Then stop everything.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I told him. I said: "You think about it tonight, and tomorrow we'll talk again."

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Hmm. Do everything very cautiously.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes.

Prabhupāda: It is not that out of affection we shall squander money.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Mmm.

Prabhupāda: So use your best intelligence, and if he has not given, then stop everything. Let them have two hundred fifty per month per head and live in that house. That's all. This is my final.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Two hundred fifty plus we have to fix seven hundred fifty.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For seven years.

Prabhupāda: That is after.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven years.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.

Prabhupāda: That is after.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Not now.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no.

Prabhupāda: Not a single paisa more than two hundred fifty. Only my wife may get five hundred, that's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She's getting a thousand, actually.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. (pause) So take his chart and try to follow. This is the last resort. That's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Well, don't say it is the last. We're not going to . . . ever going to give up hope.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. He appears to be hopeful.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He seems very hopeful. His attitude appeared hopeful.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They all say that your heart is very strong, therefore what is the question of dying? They all say that point. Their whole contention is on the heart, that because the heart is strong, they say there's no question of dying. And actually, that agrees with the astrologers. None of the astrologers say you will die now. They all say it's a difficult time, but they never say that you will die now.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They all say that you'll overcome this.

Prabhupāda: That's nice.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And your disciples all say that you will overcome. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Heart is strong, then where is the question of tuberculosis? (laughs) Wrong present.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Somebody said tuberculosis.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that was that allopathic Dr. Gopal.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śatadhanya: He was guessing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Foolish.

Śatadhanya: He was just guessing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He was guessing, but he gave the recommendation for a strong anti-tubercular medicine.

Prabhupāda: No, no. Therefore I am not going to.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, these allopathic doctors have been totally failure for you. There's no question of going back to them in any case.

Prabhupāda: He has already concluded something, and he wants to prove it by x-ray and this and that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And strong medicine he prescribed.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He would have created havoc with his testing.

Prabhupāda: I am not going to die . . . I will die, I will remain in his treatment, this kavirāja. (quiet laughter) The doctors, they create a situation and they have preconceived.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they make you . . . if you don't have the disease, then they'll make sure you get it, simply to be right.

Prabhupāda: So I shall remain in his treatment. Good . . . (indistinct) . . . that's all. Take his chart and strictly follow. I'll not object; I will follow. Is that all right?

Devotees: Yes, Prabhupāda.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whatever you tell us is all right, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. And from Vrindavan, if he's not getting business, stop all, everything.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's not getting business. He told me he's having bad luck; he cannot get any business.

Prabhupāda: Oh, so if he has to do business, he has to pay cash and he'll give fifty percent.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If he was getting the business, he would have paid your BBT some money.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In over a year he has paid two or three thousand rupees. That's not business. He's taking 800 rupees a month for so long for travel expenses, and he's paid maybe two or three thousand rupees total. I mean it's crazy business.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anybody can see it's not good business.

Prabhupāda: So, stop it all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I talked with him in a nice way, though. I said, "Now you tell me, Vrindavan." I gave him the points. I said, "So you think about it tonight, and you let me know tomorrow." I'm talking in a nice way with him, because I feel that in . . . I want them to be happy. I can see they're not so intelligent, so they should not suffer.

Prabhupāda: At least five thousand rupees' business must be given; otherwise stop.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Immediately there should be business. If a man spends nearly a thousand rupees for travelling every month, he must be making fifteen, twenty thousand rupees. But he is not giving any money at all to the BBT. So where's the one thousand rupees going that he's given? He couldn't be using it for . . .

Prabhupāda: So we have given him chance, and now stop it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You've given him travel money now for about two years. And he hasn't given any money to the BBT out of it, so I, I really question it. I'll talk with him further.

Prabhupāda: You deal.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I know how to do this, because I was doing the saṅkīrtana, so I know what should come from the money he's spending. It's the same idea as anywhere in the world. You spend, it's business, business, whether it's dollars or rupees. I'll try . . .

Prabhupāda: That man who has kept, he's working as assistant, he is plundering him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I think so.

Prabhupāda: He's a foolish man.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, the thing is, Śrīla Prabhupāda, he's not that intelligent. He's going to be plundered, I mean that's the unfortunate part. That's why we just have to help them, and at the same time not let them suffer.

Prabhupāda: No, try to help, but not squander.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that's the point.

Prabhupāda: I give you full freedom. As you learn. But arrange that they may remain in that house, lifelong, and get each two hundred and fifty. Only my wife five hundred, that's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What happens after, when they start getting seven hundred fifty rupees after seven years? They may squander a little bit. But we'll be . . .

Prabhupāda: No, that is already invested. I read government paper.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Those three things.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Good. When the seven hundred and fifty rupees is put in fixed deposit for them, it's put in their name, so it belongs to them, and we can just tell the bank . . .

Prabhupāda: Then let them . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let them have it.

Prabhupāda: After seven years.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They can have it, even if they . . .

Prabhupāda: . . . squander. I don't mind.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right.

Prabhupāda: Our money is not touched.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, it's not.

Prabhupāda: That's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We can only exercise a certain amount of control; the rest they have to also have some control.

Prabhupāda: Our capital is not touched.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, it's not touched.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anyway, I understand how to deal with them. We have to be like their guardians.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the point. We have to see that they are taken care of and try to help them to live properly.

Prabhupāda: You are so intelligent boy, you can control them; otherwise stop.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. So you try to rest now, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. So thank you very much, Adri-dharaṇa.

Śatadhanya: He went back to his room.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He worked well today.

Prabhupāda: I was surprised that in morning he said: "I'm coming." Anyway, better late than never.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Jaya. All glories.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All glories to you. (break) . . . were saying.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Some of our men went to the Delhi University. They also met the Dean of Sciences, Delhi University. In fact they told him . . . he told them that there is news release. So in fact he gave the cutting of the newspaper to them. So they have read. So it seems to me that there's some good publicity. (break) Most of them knew that we were coming from the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement.

Prabhupāda: A new light.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. There's going to be an international symposium in Madras early next year about the . . . what they call complex light molecules in evolution, and there's going to be some Nobel Prize–winning scientists. So we'll be writing a letter to present our paper in that symposium. That's first week of January next year. I think if we can present one paper, that will be, I think, quite good. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Kaviraja: Kya taklif kya ho gaya? Raat ko neend aaya ki nahi theek se? (What is the problem you are having? Did you get a good rest at night?)

Adri-dhāraṇa: Did you have good rest last night, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: At the end of the night

Kavirāja: Abhi subah bhi thoda ghoom aya tha.Tatti hua aaj nahi. (This morning I also went out for a stroll. Did you have a motion?)

Prabhupāda: Ab khaya to kuch nahi. abhi thoda Horlicks khaya. Thoda sa peshab hua. (Now I have not eaten anything. I had a little Horlicks now. I passed a little urine.)

Prabhupāda: What is the quantity?

Bhakti-caru: Of the Horlicks, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bhakti-caru: Subah Horlicks piye the 150cc aur peshab hua tha uske baad 100cc. (In the morning he had Horlicks, 150cc and he passed 100cc of urine.)

Kaviraja: Horlicks din me kitna chala jata hai unka? (How much Horlicks does he take in a day?)

Bhakti-cāru: Horlicks aaj hi, kal thoda diya tha subah ko aur aaj diye hain. dekhte hain kaisa suit karta hai. (Only today Horlicks, yesterday we gave him a little and then today. Let's see how it suits him.)

Kaviraja: Horlicks to theek rahega. (Horlicks should be okay.)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj dekhenge kaisa horlicks hota hai, to uske baad kal thoda doodh me milakar horlicks denge. (Today let us see how it is with Horlicks. After that, tomorrow we will mix it in milk and give it to him.)

Kaviraja: Balki inka ruchi nahi hai, nahi to ann bhi saat me le sakte hain jaise gehoo ka daliya hota hai na, daliya samjhte hain. (He does not have taste otherwise he can have rice also, like broken wheat, do you understand broken wheat?)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj bole hain thoda bhindi. bhindi nahi. lauki. wo to khate nahi kuch. bhindi bole. (Today he said lady finger. Not lady finger, bottle gourd. He does not eat that, he said lady finger.)

Kaviraja: Lauki, badhiya hai. lauki, parwal. wo ruchi hoga na andar se, abhi to ruchi nahi hai. Aur jaise-jaise ruchi hogi waise inka hajma theek ho jayega. thoda haat dekhenge. Aaj jahan soojjan hai wahan aap lagaiye payr me. aur din me do cheez hai. likh lijiye. Ek to adrak ka choor aur saunth. Inka sookha powder kar lijiye, dono ko mix kar lijiye, inke jahan-jahan sot hai na wahan powder ki tarah maalish kar dijiye. Accha ek oil hai sushk mooladi oil, hain na, lagaate hain. (Bottle gourd is good, bottle gourd and snake gourd. If he develops taste from the inside, now there is no taste. And gradually as he develops taste, his digestion will become alright. I want to see his hand. Today, wherever there is swelling, there you apply it on the leg. And in a day there are two important things, note it down. One is a piece of ginger and dried ginger. Make dry powder of it and mix both. Wherever he has swelling there, like powder you massage it in. Okay there is one oil "sushk mooladi oil", apply it.)

Bhakti-caru: Abhi to nahi lagate hain. (Now I am not applying.)

Kaviraja: Barabar lagaiye. Ye jo ark brik-sanjeevan ark aur punarnava ark, ye dijiye. Usme taste me koi kharabi nahi hai aur wo kidney ko saaf karega. to din me beech-beech me sada water bhi de diya. Aadha cc inko roj pahunch jana chahiye. Usse urine ki jo quantity jo hai wo badh jayegi. Aur inka medicine jo hai char time medicine chalega. Ghoom to kum aata hai, doosre log ghoom kam likhte hain. Koi ghoom nahi ab jitna aa raha hai theek hai aur dheer-dheere jaise swast honge ye theek ho jayega. Ek tho . . . iska kwath bana lijiye. Karib 25gm kwath ko 5ogm pani me raat ko bhigo dijiye. Suabh usko dheere-dheere pakaiye. Pakaiye aur jab tak uski quantity 25-30gm tak reh jaye to usko kapade se chan lijiye aur chank e us koode ko phenk dijiye aur ek ek number ka medicine dekarke upar se kwath de denge. Ye ek number ka medicine subah 7 baje . . . (Apply it regularly. This sap brik-sanjeevani sap and punarnava sap, give him this. There is no problem in the taste and it will cleanse the kidney. In the day in between, give plain water also. Everyday he should consume half cc. By this the urine quantity will increase. And his medicine, the four times medicine will continue. He does not feel dizzy? Other people do not mention giddiness. Now whatever is coming is alright. And gradually as his health improves, it will become alright. One . . . make a decoction out of it. Nearly 25gm decoction mix with 50 gms of water and soak it overnight. In the morning, slowly cook it. Keep cooking until the quantity reduces to 25 to 30 gms, then strain it and the leftover part, dispose of it and give the number one medicine and then give the decoction. This one medicine in the morning 7am . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Kwath kisse banayenge? (How to make the decoction?)

Kaviraja: Kwath to 6-7 cheez hum likh kar ke bazaar se lana padega. Yahan koi . . . ka dukan hoga? (6 to 7 items go into preparing the decoction. I will write it and it must be brought from the market. Is there any . . . shop?)

Bhakti-caru: Han, Vrindavan me hoga. (Yes, it must be in Vrindavan.)

Kaviraja: Vrindavan me hoga to hamare saath kisi ko bhej dijiye hum dekh ke la denge accha sa, aajkal sab nakali cheez aata hai na. to do time to vo rakhenge morning 7 baje aur shaam ko 5 baje. No1 medicine subah 7 baje aur shaam ko 5 baje. aur number 2 din ko 12 baje aur raat ko 8 baje. wo denge ark ke saath. Waise chart nahi dekhe to chalega. isme humne kidney ka bhi de diya hai, liver ka bhi de diya hai, aur takat ka bhi, sab ka dawai isme add kar diya hai. Ek hafta. Dekhna ye hai ki ise dheere-dheere urine ka jo quantity hai wo badhna chahiye inka. (If it is in Vrindavan, then send someone along with me and I will select a good one and buy it. Nowadays you are getting all fake. So we will keep twice that one, morning 7am and evening 5pm. One medicine at 7am and evening 5pm and two medicines at 12 noon and night 8pm. That should be given with the sap. If you don't see the chart it is okay. I have given for kidney also, also for liver and for strength. I have added all the medicines into this. One week to be observed. Now it is to be seen that with this the urine quantity must increase for him.)

Bhakti-caru: Pehle bhi inka sujan ke liye kaviraj ne diya tha wo . . . (Before, the physician had given him for swelling that . . .)

Kaviraja: Punarnava ka patta itna kaam nahi karta hai jitna punarnava. Punarnava milta hai yahan? (The leaf of punarnava does not work as well as punarnava. Do you get punarnava here?)

Bhakti-caru: Us waqt to milta tha karib 3-4 . . . (Those days we used to get around 3 to 4 . . .)

Kaviraja: Wo to milta hi hai. hum jo de rahe hain na wo punarnava ka ark aur ek to ye gokhru ka ark aur brik sanjeevani jo kidney, aur punarnava wo sujan ko kum karti hai. To dupehar wala jo medicine hai, yadi punarnava ka jad mil jaye, mool, ek makovi. Makovi ek aushadi hoti hai. un dono ke ras ke saath me karib ek ounce, aadha ounce dupahar me . . . (That we will get. What I am giving is the sap of punarnava and the sap of gokhru and the sap of brik sanjeevani which is for kidney and punarnava is for swelling reduction. So give him the medicine in the afternoon. If we are able to get the root of punarnava, the root makoi, makoyi is one medicine. Mix the juice of both and roughly 1 ounce, half an ounce in the afternoon . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Punarnava ka ped to mil jayega yahan. (We will get the tree of punarnava here.)

Kaviraja: Accha wo kaviraj ko bole to hum sab samjhaye the badhiya. (Is it? If that physician is informed I can explain to him nicely.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha aisa kijiye, aap chalenge bazaar to mai bhi aap ke saath jaoonga. (Okay we shall do like this, if you go to the market then I will come along.)

Kaviraja: Kyunki peeche se maan lo koi kaam pade to dekh le aur mai batata hoon is tarah se ye medicine jo hai wo bada accha rahega. kyunki sthaniya chikitsak to wohi rah sakte hain barabar yahan, wohi samhalenge, unko gyan hoga ki ye-ye aushadi hai, hum paramarsh karke bata denge ki ye aap medicine unko ek hafte10 roz tak lagaatar chalaiye. 12 roj baadme kuch medicine inka change hoga. Jab inko thoda bhook lagne lagega, sujan utar jayega, uske baad me jo change ka hai wo bhi hum bata denge ki bhai ye ab, ye baad me dena hai. khane ka jab inka ruchi ho, abhi kya kuch chena dete hain? (Because if there is some urgent work then you see and I will tell you how to give the medicine that will be nice. Because he is the local physician and he can stay here with you. He will only manage, he will know which are the medicines. I will consult him and inform him that he should give you these medicines for 1 week to 10 days continuously. After 12 days his medicines will change. When he starts feeling a little hungry, swelling reduces. After that, whatever changes I will tell you, this should be given now afterwards. When he gets the taste to eat, now are you giving him millet?)

Bhakti-caru: Wohi to sabse bada sawal hai, khana to kuch bhi nahi hai. (That is the biggest question. He is not eating anything.)

Kaviraja: Mane maangte nahi hain? (Means he does not ask for it?)

Bhakti-caru: Maangte nahi hain, khate bhi nahi hain. (He does not ask and does not eat also.)

Kaviraja: (to Prabhupad) To abhi aap thoda khana lijiye. Nahi lenge to sharir kaise chalega bataiye. thoda daliya ki iccha ho to daliya le lijiye. Daliya samajhte hain, gehoon ka, ya chena ki iccha ho chenna le lijiye. Nahi chalega. To phir aisa hai ki aap kuch roz horlicks chalao. aur barley do inko bana kar ke. barley jo hai wo to ann hai, jo hai wo to arson hai, usme badi takat hai. To aap 2 time inko barley horlicks saath mila ke de dijiye. Accha liquid cheez zyada pahuchana chahiye inko. (You must have something to eat otherwise if you do not eat you will not gain strength, the body will not work. If you wish to have a little broken wheat then take that. You understand broken wheat, of wheat or millet, if you wish to have. This will not work. Then let him take Horlicks everyday and barley can be given, make barley and give. Barley is as good as rice, and it is arson, it gives a lot of strength. So you mix Horlicks with barley and give him twice a day. Okay he should take more liquids.)

Bhakti-caru: Liquid to dekhiye 800cc-1 liter pi lete hain. (You see liquid intake is 800-1 liter.)

Kaviraja: Usme aap 2 time mat dijiye barley horlicks mila ke. jaise fruits ka mosambi . . . (Don't give him barley twice with Horlicks. One time let him have fruit juice like mosambi . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Fruits ka to jaise abhi dete hain grapes, anaar, apple bhi diya tha parso, apple ka juice madhu ke saath aur santra diya tha 2 roz pehle. (We give him fruits like grapes, pomegranate, apple—also we gave him yesterday juice of apple with honey and we gave him oranges the day before yesterday.)

Kaviraja: Accha madhu jo hai inko thoda-thoda badhiya madhu dijiye. Madhu bahut badiya hai. Madhu se heart bahut badiya rahega aur ye jo hum kwath bataye hai na isme bhi 1 chamach madhu mila ke dijiye. (Okay give him little by little. Good quality honey, honey is very good. With honey, the heart will be good and the decoction that I told you can also be given with honey—1 spoon.)

Bhakti-caru: Aise to phal ke ras ke saath 2-3 chamach daily dete hain. (Daily we give him 1 to 2 spoons of honey with fruit juice.)

Kaviraja: Ye mai samajhta hoon ki 15 din me sujan sab khatam ho jayega. 15 roz me kidney ka function badhiya hone lag jayega aur 3-4 roz me bhook khul jayega aur ruchi ho jayega. (I think that within 15 days the swelling will completely reduce. In 15 days the kidney will start functioning properly and in 3 to 4 days he will start feeling hungry.)

Bhakti-caru: Wohi sabse bada sawaal hai, agar bhook khul jaye to. (That is the biggest worry, if his hunger opens up . . .)

Kaviraja: Wiase inki normal diet kya hai swasth awastha ki? (Otherwise what is his normal diet when he is in healthy condition?)

Bhakti-caru: Swasth awastha ki pehle jab lete the karib 6 mahina pehle khate the to sabzi-dal-2-1chapati, thoda chawal. (When he was in a healthy state that is 6 months before he used to take 1 to 2 chapatis, curry, lentils and a little rice.)

Kaviraja: Roz daily dono time, ek time khate the? (Did he eat two times a day or once?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi ek time. (No only once.) How about his food? When he used to eat?

kaviraja: Shaam ko milk vagera lete the? (In the evening did he take milk or something?)

Bhakti-caru: Shaam ko to waise doodh, phal khate the. shaam ko to waise khate to nahin. (In the evenings he did not take milk, he had fruits but generally he did not eat in the evenings.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Mornings, he used to take. Fruits.

Bhakti-cāru: No, he's just asking what the main meal is, anyway.

Kaviraja: Wo theek hai. Bas yehi dhyan rakhiye ki liquid ka thoda-thoda to inka ruchi thoda badhaiye, phir jab khane ko inki ruchi hogi to aap chapati hai, daliya hai gehoon ka doodh me milakar ke. Milk thoda inko dena hai, cow milk. (That is alright. Only keep it in mind that he must take a lot of liquids, and gradually his taste will increase. So when he develops a taste for eating, then you can give chapatis. Broken wheat preparations made of wheat, mixed with milk. You must give him milk, cow's milk.)

Bhakti-caru: Milk to dete hain. (We used to give him milk.) (break) (end)