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770525 - Conversation A - Vrndavana

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

770525R1-VRNDAVAN - May 25, 1977 - 17:13 Minutes

(Short Discussions)

Prabhupāda: Okhane je ami dedh du din thakbo, byabostha ta ki? (If I stay there for one and a half or two days, what is the arrangement?)

Indian man (1): Ki bishoye niye? (Regarding what?)

Prabhupāda: Ei jemon paykhana jete hobe, jol. (For example, I have to pass stool so there must be water.)

Indian man (1): Paykhana apni jokhon jaben tokhon apnar use er jonno kintu jol ektu dur pore jabe. Apnar pokhe to dure pore jabe okhane. (When you go to pass stool, the place where water is available can be a little far for you. It will be quite far for you there.)

Prabhupāda: Shei to. Ekhanei kole ekhane dhoya jacche. (Exactly. Here the tap is nearby for washing.)

Indian man (1): Shei to bolchi. Ekhane apnar onek rokhom shubidhe. (That’s what I am saying. Here you have a lot of facilities.)

Prabhupāda: Okhane to she shob shubidhe nei. Shorir kharap. (But we don’t have any such facilities there. My health is not good.)

Indian man (1): Uni bolchen je okhane giye je thakbo to okhane to shei rokom shubidhe nei . . . (indistinct) . . . (He is saying that adequate facilities are not present there for him to stay . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Shei obostha to nei je ekalai shob korchi . . . (indistinct). (I am not in a condition to do everything myself.)

Indian man (2): Uni bolchen ekhon to shei obostha nei je ekai uni shob nije kore nicchen. Ekhon to mane dhore niye jabe ar dhore niye ashbe. (indistinct) Mane ota onar jonne durei pore jabe. (He is saying that he is not in a condition to do everything independently. Somebody has to hold him on the way to the toilet and back . . . (indistinct) . . . I mean to say that the toilet will be quite far for him.)

Prabhupāda: Kache paykhana, ghorer pashei to paykhana. (Here, the toilet is very near, right beside my room.)

Indian man (1): (indistinct) . . . jeta purono paykhana chilo age, sheta to uni bondho kore diyechilen, Madan Mohan ji. Ei dike je sanitary pipeline korechilen, to otar jonno majhe jokhon amra objection korechilam je apnara ei rokom paykhana kora keno bondho kore dilen, Gurudasji. To tar je lok thake ekhane, shei bolechilo je paykhanar kol tara byabohar koruk, amader na. (. . . (indistinct) . . . the old toilet was closed by Madan Mohan Swami. Regarding the sanitary pipeline that was built by him, we raised an objection led by Gurudas Swami that why did they close down the toilet like that. Then his representatives staying here said that they would be using the toilet tap, not us.)

Prabhupāda: Kon paykhana? (Which toilet?)

Indian man (1): Je paykhana ta sanitary pipe . . . (indistinct) . . . Madan Mohan Goswami jeta koriyechilo. Apnar pechonkar dorja diye beriyei, thik dan dike. (That toilet which is connected with the sanitary pipe . . . (indistinct) . . . which was built by Madan Mohan Goswami. On your right hand side just outside the back door.)

Prabhupāda: Ha, otai to amra byabohar kori. (Yes, that is what we use.)

Indian man (2): (indistinct) . . . to bolche eta byabohar korun. ( . . . telling us to use this toilet.)

Prabhupāda: Ekhane konta? (Which one?)

Indian man (1): Bam dike ekta mather moton ache, pachil badhano je koriyechilo Madan Mohan ji. Bam dike apnar dorja diye berei, bam dike ekta latrine bathroom ache. Bam dike je ghor ache na, oi dike uthoner moddhe, choubaccha ache jaler, mather moton kora ache. Okhane apni jodi nije giye, ei shomoy bishram . . . (indistinct) . . . tahole okhane to shob rokom . . . apnake mane kono rokom oshubidhe nijer dik diye keu nite debe na. (Outside the door, there is a latrine on the left that was built by Madan Mohan Goswami. It is surrounded by a boundary wall. There is a room and a reservoir of water in the middle of the courtyard. If you choose to take rest there . . . (indistinct) . . . then you will not have to take any inconvenience.)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . ami gelei panch-cho din to thakbo . . . (indistinct) . . . (If I go there, then I will surely stay for five to six days . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Indian man (1): Shei apni joto din icche thakun. (You may stay for as many days as you want.)

Prabhupāda: Na bolchi. Amake ekla thakte debe na. (No, I am just saying. They will not let me stay alone.)

Indian man (2): (indistinct Bengali) . . . ja obostha. Oi tukun jaygay thaka! . . . (indistinct) . . . (. . . such is the condition. To think of staying in that small place . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ami shob koriye dite pari. Permission-termission shob koriye dite pari. Kore to diyechilam. Ami chilam na. O shob jor jabardasti, amar jayga gulo rakhte parini, tomrao to . . . (I can arrange everything, whatever permission is needed. I had already done it once. But I was not present. So they forcefully occupied my property, you also could not . . .)

Indian man (1): Amra . . . (indistinct) . . . amra joto bani chalacchi ei bishoy nei. Ei je 28th May giye apnar date hocche . . . (indistinct) . . . ( . . . (indistinct) . . . we are fighting so many court-cases in this regard. On 28th May, we have got the date for . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Athas tarik? (28th of May?)

Indian man (1): Athas tarik. (28th.)

Prabhupāda: Kiser date? (What is the date for?)

Indian man (1): Uni abar appeal korechilen bariri bishoy. Bariri bishoy appeal korechilen. (He had appealed once again for that house.)

Indian man (2): Je amar property. (That it’s my property.)

Prabhupāda: Tomar property tumi nao na. (Let him take his property.)

Indian man (2): Abar du baar khali . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhache, date eita. Mane athas tarik. Ar je din ei date hocche, je eta abar newa jaye kina . . . (On two occasions, he was just . . . (indistinct) . . . showing that this is the date, 28th May. And the date on which it will be decided whether this case will be considered or not is . . . )

Indian man (1): Hate eta newa hobe kina, dekhchi, date eta. (This is the date, we will see whether to take this up.)

Indian man (2): Dosra June. (2nd June.)

Prabhupāda: Ja appeal korte hobe, timely korte hobe. (Whatever appeal you make, that has to be done in time.)

Indian man (2): Appeal timely hoyeche, shei timer moddhei appeal korechilam. Tar por ar asheni. Ota kharij hoye gechilo. Abar ekta application diyechi. To ota diyechi, abar ekta date porlo, uttor elo na, otao kharij hoye gelo. To 3rd application er upor esheche. E rokom kuri taka cost diye, shei application ta hathe niyechi, ar tar pore giye athas May e date poreche, argument er jonno case ta new hobe. (We made the appeal on time. But it was rejected. We submitted another application. Then we received another date but no reply came and it was rejected. Our 3rd application was finally accepted. Like this, we paid twenty rupees to submit the application and the date has been given as 28th May for taking the case.)

Prabhupāda: Ki kharij hoyechilo? Jal ache naki? (What was rejected? Is there water?)

Indian man (2): Jal ache. (Yes, there is water.)

Prabhupāda: Then why we have to make another tank?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They said that the . . . if we want water in that bathroom, then we have to have our own water hookup there.

Prabhupāda: Who said?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The electric man who came there, the man from the electricity department. Their point was that there's more parties using the water than just ourselves. So if we do not . . . there has to be some way of determining who's using what water supply.

Prabhupāda: Talk with the same man.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The man came today from electric department.

Indian man (1): Vadepal contractor.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hah. He said that this one Kalachand Goswami, he is living there, and he is using water. And we are living there, and we're using water. So how to determine who should pay for what water? There must be two meters.

Indian man (2): Mane extra meter lagate bolche. (They are asking to put up an extra meter.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hah, one meter for the water he uses and electricity he uses, and one meter for the water and electricity we use.

Indian man (2): Electricity to your restaurant? Direct to powerhouse. Line ta Gurudasji diyechilen. (The power supply line was provided by Gurudas ji.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But who pays Kalachand's electricity?

Indian man (1): Kalachanjī's śiṣya, Madana Mohana Goswami.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śiṣya. So how to judge how much electricity is used by us and how much electricity is being used or taken by the Kalachand Goswami? How to know how much he is using, how much we are using? If there is only one meter . . .

Indian man (2): Ekta meter ete orao byabohar korche ar amrao korchi. (There is one meter which is being used by them as well as by us.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now there's no meter. There's only one meter for whole thing. For whole site there's only one meter, water meter. But there are two parties. One is the Kalachand, and one we are.

Indian man (1): So you extra meter in your room?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ha, ha. Yes. They want to put extra meter in the room.

Indian man (2): We have to have extra meter.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: To determine that we should only . . .

Indian man (2): Er moddhe ekta kotha ache. Gurudasji jodi nijer expenses niyeche meter, light to extra meter ora nebe, apni keno nite jaben? (There is one thing I want to say. If Gurudas ji procured the meter and power supply from his own expenses, then why should you again purchase a meter?)

Jayapatākā: Eta jaler jonno. (This is for water.)

Indian man (2): Accha! Jaler jonno meter ekta extra kono emon dorkar nei. Koto ar jal neben apnara! (Really? There is no need to buy an extra meter for water. How much water will you use anyway?)

Jayapatākā: . . . (indistinct)

Indian man (2): Ha jal to dorkar. Holeo, du hajar, teen hajar gallon er niche to meter o . . . (indistinct) . . . (Yes, water is needed. But still, if the water consumption is less than two thousand to three thousand gallons, then even the meter will not . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Indian man (1): Ar Gurudasji joto din okhane chilen, toto din ami jal diyechi. (And as long as Gurudasji was present there, I used to supply him water.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he's saying that 'cause . . .

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā's saying . . . he's translating what they were talking, that there's already a meter for electricity. This new meter is proposed simply for water. But the cost of water is so cheap, what is the need of a meter?

Jayapatākā: They're not making any claim for water. They say, "How much water you can use? It's a matter of a few paisa."

Prabhupāda: Last time Madan Mohan Goswami and Gurudāsa, the arrangement was to live without paying anything.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right.

Prabhupāda: To pay the electric charge. So he was paying about sixty-four rupees' electric charges. They were using hugely.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Including water.

Prabhupāda: No, no. Electric.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Electric.

Jayapatākā: Per year.

Prabhupāda: Per month.

Jayapatākā: Sixty-four rupees!

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sixty-four rupees a month!

Indian man (2): O jakhon ek bochor apnara ghor niyechilen? (Oh, when you occupied the house for one year.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Ora shob nanan rokom use korto. Heater-fiter ar . . . (indistinct) . . . (They would use various appliances like heaters and . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Indian man (2): Takhon heater-titer shob i use korto. (indistinct) (They would use heaters, I see.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So now we have a separate meter for electricity. There's already a separate meter for electricity, is it?

Indian man (3): Yes, you have got your own.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Besides Madana Mohana, there's another one.

Indian man (3): He has. That's all right. Why it is not working?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because there was a wire that was not connected. Then the man came today, and he has connected, and he said: "Now you will have electricity."

Prabhupāda: Amar meter to barabar i alada chilo. (Our meter was always separate.)

Indian man (2): Apnar sub-meter alada ache. Onar to sub-meter to ghar e laganoi ache. (Your submeter is separate. It is fixed inside your apartment.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So then we said: "All right, we also need water." He said: "For that, you will need a separate meter because they, Madana Mohana Goswami, does not want to pay your water costs." Then the man said: "Yes, we can put separate meter. It will take ten days to two weeks."

Indian man (3): Oh, yes, you will do it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But it will take some time, they say.

Prabhupāda: So better to arrange.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Better to avoid?

Prabhupāda: No, no. Tap . . .

Indian man (3): For the time being you have water from Kalachand. Give the man his time. He will give.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He will give.

Indian man (3): He will give you, and he'll ask Gurudāsa also. Then he will do all, what is needful. Kalachand is a man of . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where you are getting your drinking water from?

Indian man (3): I? From my own pipe.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From pipe. Pipe water is good for drinking.

Indian man (3): Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ācchā. Not from well.

Indian man (3): No, no.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well water is not good for drinking?

Indian man (3): At Lotan Kunj, just a hundred yards from our temple, that well is very nice well.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the name?

Indian man (3): Lotan Kunj.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Lotan Kunj.

Indian man (3): First-class water.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Any time.

Indian man (3): Yes, oh, yes. People take from that well water to their houses.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anyone can come? Anyone can take, public?

Indian man (2): Yes, yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Lotan Kunj.

Indian man (3): It is just near our temple. We use the Damodar Gela. Damodar Gela is there. We use that water. Our, these boys and these, they drink it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And for washing and cooking we can get some water from Kalachand.

Indian man (3): Oh, yes. Kalachand has well also.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And well also. Ācchā. Then there's no problem, Prabhupāda. We'll apply for our separate meter, and in the meantime, we'll take the water . . .

Indian man (3): Oh, yes. For the time being you will be . . .

Indian man (1): Na, dekhun extra meter-feter er jonno to Madan Mohan Goswami order boleche. Kalachand to shei shob bishoy nei. Jol dite parbe. (No, it is Madan Mohan Goswami who has ordered for the extra meter. Kalachand is not involved in all this. He can only give water.)

Indian man (3): Apnader Kalachand khali jol dite parbe. Meter-feter er bishoy apnara . . . (indistinct) . . . theke lekha pora . . . (Kalachand can only supply water to you. Regarding the meter . . . (indistinct) . . . take in writing . . .) For the time being he will be helpful to give you water, but that's all. Ami jemon aj oke bole dilam. O bollo, Kalachand Gosai . . . (indistinct) . . . (For example, I told him today and he said Kalachand Gosai . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's good. Prabhupāda, should I bring up the point that these rooms should be

Indian man (3): On 28th May, he is expected to attend the civil judge, Mathura, you see. So on that day, if he comes here, have a discussion from him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Madana Mohana Goswami?

Indian man (3): Yes. What he says?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There actually, there's no . . . what about latrine?

Indian man (3): Latrine is behind there. You put one inside, Swāmījī's latrine.

Indian man (2): Ota bondho hoye geche. Ekhon onno side e onno latrine ache. Madan Mohan Goswami bondho kore diyeche. (That is closed. Now the latrine is on another side. Madan Mohan Goswami has closed it down.)

Indian man (3): That was closed by Madana Mohana Goswami.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He closed off that latrine.

Prabhupāda: That is back side.

Indian man (2): Ekta kotha aro bole di apnake. Tape recorder on ache. Apni tape recorder er moddhe kotha bolchen . . . (indistinct) . . . shei bujhe apni kotha bolun. (Let me tell you another thing. The tape recorder is on. So you are talking into the tape recorder . . . (indistinct) . . . so keep this in mind while speaking.)

Indian man (3): Ami ki bolbo? (What should I say?)

Indian man (2): Shei bujhe apni bondho kore diye jodi Swamijir shathe kotha bolte chan. (If you want to switch off the tape recorder and continue talking to Swamiji, then you may do that.)

Indian man (3): I don't want to talk with the tape recorder. I come to honor my Swāmījī and my elder brother . . .

Prabhupāda: That's all right.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We tape everything Prabhupāda says. Everything he says, we tape, whether you're here or not here.

Indian man (3): No, I don't want to talk on the machine. I don't want you to make.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're not taping for any other purpose, but our Guru Mahārāja's words are very sacred to us, so we tape all the time, whether you're here or not here.

Prabhupāda: No, he has objection to the tape . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm just explaining that it's not any, er . . . (break) (end)