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770219 - Conversation A - Mayapur

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

770219R1-MAYAPUR - February 19, 1977 - 3:51 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.

Hari-śauri: No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.

Prabhupāda: No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs)

Hari-śauri: Will things get physically violent?

Prabhupāda: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.

Hari-śauri: We should . . . if we have to, we can . . .

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We must . . . self-protection must be there.

Hari-śauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to . . .

Prabhupāda: Fight!

Hari-śauri: Then we'll have to fight.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.

Hari-śauri: Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?

Prabhupāda: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that, "Here is a deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!

Hari-śauri: And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.

Prabhupāda: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.

Hari-śauri: Oh, yes. Definitely.

Prabhupāda: That should be done.

Hari-śauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.

Prabhupāda: There is civil war. Why not this?

Hari-śauri: Yes. This is . . . this is a big fight now.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: (laughs) You're the world's greatest revolutionary. (Prabhupāda laughs) (break) Now that we're being attacked like this physically . . .

Prabhupāda: So we must attack them also.

Hari-śauri: Should we actually have a training program, so that our . . .

Prabhupāda: No.

Hari-śauri: . . . we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying varṇāśrama . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: . . . system there must be kṣatriya and everything like that.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Hari-śauri: Should we actually start to . . .

Prabhupāda: Train.

Hari-śauri: . . . train up some of our men so they know how to fight?

Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?

Hari-śauri: 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't . . . they're not . . .

Prabhupāda: They are not trained up.

Hari-śauri: . . . trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional guṇḍās.

Prabhupāda: That . . .? What is that? "Kirat?" They practice self-defense?

Hari-śauri: Karate.

Prabhupāda: Karate.

Hari-śauri: There's different forms of self-defense. (end)