760817 - Conversation - Hyderabad
Harikeśa: Speak loudly.
Hari-śauri: It's very noisy.
Mahāṁśa: This is Dr. Ghosh. This is Visukeran Agarwal, one of our very close friends in Hyderabad. He's a very close friend in Hyderabad.
Prabhupāda: I think I have seen you.
Mahāṁśa: Oh, yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Apni Dr. Ghosh? (Are you Dr. Ghosh?)
Dr. Ghosh: Ami Dr. Ghosh, bohudin Europe chilam. Tarpore Gurur adeshe amra jongole ekta gram sristi korechi paharer upore. Sekhane athash bochor achi. Ta apnar somosto je byapar amar jana ache. To apnader upolokkhe ekta prokando jaiga okhane, aaj mane chomotkar paharer upore, khub nam kora, eni janen, Kodaikanal. Kodaikanal er kache. Okhane sob jaiga dhore . . . (indistinct) . . . ponchas, ponchas kilometer er modhhe. Khub boro jongoler modhhe amra somosto gram toiri korchi. Sekhane amader upasonar dorkar, apni jodi ektu pododhuli den tahole amader dos hazar loker upokar hoye jai. (Yes I am Dr. Ghosh. I stayed in Europe for many days. Then by the order of my guru we made a village in the forest at the top of the hill. Staying there for twenty eight years. I am aware of all your activities. For your sake I have selected a big place there, at the top of the hill, very beautiful. It's a famous spot, he knows, Kodaikanal. It's near to Kodaikanal. There holding the lands . . . (indistinct) . . . fifty, within fifty kilometers. We have made villages within a very big forest. We need to do some activity of worship there, if we can get the dust of your feet there then it will be of great benefit for the ten thousand people who are residing at that place.)
Prabhupāda: Nischoi jabo. (Surely I will go.)
Dr. Ghosh: Apni ese . . . apnader ei sob lok joner jonne ami ekta jaiga toiri korechi. Jara, era ja kaaj korche, boddo gorom. Sekhane chomotkar thanda, chiro bosonto. Kak nei, sap nei. (Once you go . . . I have made a place there for all of your people. These people, the work that they are doing, here it is too hot. The climate there is very cool, eternal spring. No crows, no snakes even.)
Prabhupāda: Ekhan theke koto dur? (How far it is from here?)
Dr. Ghosh: Kachei ekhan theke. Ami to ekhane aat din apnar jonne bose achi. (It's not very far. I am waiting here for you for eight days.)
Prabhupāda: Oh! Besh korechen. (Oh, you have done it good.)
Dr. Ghosh: (laughing) Ha ha . . . aat din, eni janen. Aat din bose achi, apnar ektu . . . amar naam ache prithibite. Ami mane Paris theke amar . . . (Ha ha . . . eight days, he knows. For eight days I am staying here, just for your little . . . I have a good reputation all over the world, from Paris mine . . .)
Prabhupāda: Puro naam ki? (What's your full name?)
Dr. Ghosh: Hiranmoy Ghosh Singho. Amra Jessore er lok. Amader pitamoho ra sob Jessore er raja chilo. Sei sob gachhe . . . Singha, sei jonne amader boro cheler naam er pichone ekta Singha thake, kenona amra khotriyo. Ta ami bohu kal bilete chilam. Amar satero bochor bilete theke. Desh swadhin hobar pore amra asi. (Hiranmoy Ghosh Singho. We are from Jessore. Our ancestors were the kings of Jessore. All those are gone now . . . Singha, for that reason the eldest son in our family carries the title "Singha" (Lion), because we are ksatriya. But I stayed overseas for many years. I stayed in foreign countries for seventeen years. After India got independence we came back.)
Prabhupāda: Kothai chilen? (Where did you stay?)
Dr. Ghosh: Besirbhag somoi France e chilam. Ami daktari MD France theke ni ebong Vienar theke ni. Nea amar Europe e khub boro posar chilo. Jokhon desh swadhin holo, tokhon Sri Aurobindo amader guide chilen. To Jawaharlal Nehru amake deke anen. To dekhlam sob pagoler byapar. Aurobindo bollen, tumi o sober modhhe miso na. Tomar ja kaj seta jongol, gorib lokder songe. To khuje khuje ekta jongol ber kore sekhanei bose achhi athash bochor. Amar boyesh satattor. (Most of the time I stayed in France. I took my MD in Medical from France and Vienna. After that I had a very good practice in Europe. When India got independence, at that time Sri Aurobindo was our guide. Jawaharlal Nehru then called me here. After coming I realized that these were all insanity. Aurobindo told us not to get involved with those people. He said that your job will be in the forest, with poor people. After searching a lot we found out a forest and stationed there for twenty eight years. Now I am seventy seven years old.)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . jokhon Gandhir assistant ra sob jail e jai . . . (. . . (indistinct) . . . when all the assistants of Gandhi were going to jail . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Ha. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Onek bar approach korechilo, apni asun. I refused, na na. (They approached me many times, please come and join us. But I refused, no no.)
Dr. Ghosh: Sunun amar okhane khub Hari sankirtan hoi, aar amra Joidev, amar stri khub boro songit, khub namkora, biswo bikhyato. Ta amra sob bose achi apnar pododhulir jonne. (Listen, we perform regular Hari sankirtana there at my place and we also recite Jaydeva (a poet), my wife is a big singer, very reputed, famous all over the world. So we all are waiting there for the dust of your feet.)
Prabhupāda: Jokhon e bolben jabo. (I will go whenever you ask me to go.)
Dr. Ghosh: Ami toiri, apnake ghare, mane Honumaner moton apnake nea jete raji achhi, ek jhape. (laughter) (I am ready, like Hanuman I will carry you in my shoulder and reach there with a big leap.) (laughter))
Prabhupāda: Ekhane 5- 7 din . . . (indistinct) (Here 5 to 7 days . . . (indistinct))
Dr. Ghosh: Ekhan theke kache. Apni . . . apni jedin . . . sunun apnar jonne ami ekhane, eni janen dos din bose achi. Kal rattir bela apnaked dekhlam boro bhir. (It's not far from this place. When you . . . when you . . . see he knows I am sitting here for ten days. I saw you yesterday night but it was heavily crowded.)
Prabhupāda: After this function we can go there.
Dr. Ghosh: And he knows about Kodaikanal. It's a very wonderful place.
Prabhupāda: I shall go there.
Mahāṁśa: There are very, very big schools there.
Dr. Ghosh: Tahole ki hobe janen, apnar modhhe theke ekta hole por amar mone hoi je sob neche jabe. Aar amader barite to nach gan cholchei saradin. Apni dekhun ekbar. Amra boro gorib, ei . . . (indistinct) . . . ese jan. Amra chaoar, matir ghore thaki. (You know what will happen then, if one program can be done there then I think everyone will take part in dancing. And in our home there are singing and dancing going on throughout the day. You please consider my request once. We are very poor . . . (indistinct) . . . please come, we stay in thatched mud hut.)
Prabhupāda: Amar cheye adham ke, ami ei movement start korechilam challish taka dea. (Who is poorer than me, I began this movement with just forty rupees.)
Dr. Ghosh: Ta to jani. Sob amar . . . apnake ami onusoron korchi onek bochor dhore. 1966 sal thekei amar mon apnar payer upore. Ta apni se jonne bhabben na. Se sob ja bolbar . . . ami je , apni janen je ami apnar khub boro bhokto. (I know that. Everything I . . . I have been following you for many years now, from 1966 only my mind is residing on your feet. You please don't worry about that. Whatever is to be said . . . I am, you please know that I am a big devotee of you.)
Prabhupāda: Ei jinish tar secret hochhe, yea (The secret of this thing is that,) tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam (BG 10.10))
Dr. Ghosh: Amar kan ta ektu kala hoye gachhe. Satattor bochor boyesh amaro. Apnar theke ami matro char bochorer . . . (I am becoming little deaf, my age is seventy seven now, I am only four years . . . than you.)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Ghosh: Ta apnake seba korbar jonne bose achi. Keno amar jonne apni . . . (So I am waiting here just to serve you. Why for me you . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Ghosh: Amake sokkole jane. India te ami, amar . . . (Everyone knows me. In India, my . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Mahāṁśa: Ha ha ha, I told . . .
Dr. Ghosh: . . . (indistinct Hindi) Amar haat khub bhalo. Onek, enara sob jane. Mane ektu seba kore gele, mane boro boro byadhi sob, amar okhane bhir hoye jai loker. Ta apnake pabo bole, ami kothao jai na. Jei sunlam je apni aschen , ami tara tari ekhane ese bose achi. Apnar kacha kachi e bose thaki. (I am, mine . . . I am expert in that. All these people knows. Means I try to serve, all chronic diseases, people gathers in great number at my place. But only to see you I came. I don't go anywhere. The moment I heard that you are coming, I came hurriedly here and was waiting for you. I remain seated near you only.)
Prabhupāda: Apnar . . . (Your . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: E sob amar patient, era sokole amake chene. Ta ami bollam, baba amake, ekhan theke nore ami, jotokhhon na Prabhupāda aschen totokkhon. Sei jonne 29 tarikhe. Ta apni jedin jaben, oder sob bondobosto kore bolun. Sei din aponar jonne ami niche . . . (All these people are my patients, they all know me. I said to them, let me, I am not going to move anywhere till the time Prabhupāda is coming. For that reason since 29th. So when you are planning to go, tell them (your disciples) to make arrangements. That day I will be there below . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ora je dine bolbe, ami se dine jabo. (When they (my disciples) will select a date, I will go that day.)
Dr. Ghosh: Santite cholun. Ta apko to malum hai ke e sob jaiga . . . (indistinct) . . . apnar Gokuler moton lagbe. Okhane amra dos hazar gorib lok achi. Apni jodi ektu pododhuli den tahole amader oi nach gan bhalo . . . (Plan peacefully and come. You know very well about all these places . . . (indistinct) . . . you will feel like you have come to Gokula. We, about ten thousand poor people are staying there. If you kindly visit then our singing and dancing will be very good . . .)
Prabhupāda: Mohaprabhu hochhen patita pabon. (Mahāprabhu is the deliverer of fallen souls.)
Dr. Ghosh: Patita pabon. (Deliverer of fallen souls.)
Prabhupāda: Narottam Das Thakurer gan, patita-pāvana-hetu tava avatāra . . . (Narottama Das Thakura sang patita-pāvana-hetu tava avatāra . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Achha, patita pavana. Amra sei upokar, apni kale je bollen upokar karna. Oi tai amader mane aaj athash bochor dhore cholche. (Well, deliverer of fallen souls. You were telling about doing benevolent activity yesterday. We are doing that for twenty eight years.)
Prabhupāda: Mo-sama patita prabhu nā pāibe āra (Prārthanā 39). This is the appeal made by Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, "My Lord, Your incarnation is for very, very fallen souls, and You'll not find anyone who is more fallen than me. Therefore my claim is first."
Dr. Ghosh: Ami jokhon gelam aj, bhasa jani na sokole jongli lok. Ora abar, British ra bolche tribe, criminal tribe era. Karon ora goru toru uthie nea jai, dekhche badorer moto fol dekhle jhulche khai. Oder okhane gele, amar athash bochor. Amar pach ta school ache. High school ekhon ekta. Oder mane employment er boddo kosto. Sejonne khete khute okhane ekta . . . (When I first went there, I didn't know their language, all were forest dwellers. Britishers told that these tribe, they are criminally inclined. They used to steal cows etc. and if they saw some fruits hanging in the tree, they will eat it. In that tribal's place I am staying for twenty eight years. I have five schools there. High school is only one now. Getting employment from them is very difficult. That's why after hard work, there one . . .)
Prabhupāda: Na na, okhane te sob jaiga royeche, ora sob . . . (No no, there are enough place available, they all . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Jaiga to ami kinichi aste aste. (Gradually I have purchased land there.)
Prabhupāda: Ami bolchi, sekhane sob nijeder kheti, nijeder kapor, nijeder . . . (What I want to mean, there they can have their own agricultural activities, own clothes, own . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Sob, tai to bolchi, apni ekbar padadhuli din, apnake dekhabo. (Everything. That's what I am saying, you just come once, I will show you.)
Prabhupāda: Ha? (Yes?)
Dr. Ghosh: Apni obak, apnar khub anondo hobe. Apni jeta korte bolchen amra seta korchi. (You will be astonished, you will become joyful. What you are telling to do, we are already doing that.)
Prabhupāda: Besh. (Very nice.)
Dr. Ghosh: Apni ekbar ese jan. Amader ekhane pododhuli din. Amra boddo gorib. Apnake nebar moton shokti amader nei. Ta holeo amra ghare kore apnake nea jabo. (You just come once. You put the dust of your feet there. We are very poor. We don't have enough capacity to take you. Still we will carry you on our shoulder and take you there.)
Prabhupāda: Jar Bhogoban sohai ache se abar gorib kothai. (Whom Lord is favouring how can he be poor.)
Dr. Ghosh: Ta to ache. Ta na hole apnar songe dekha hoto na. Ami morbar age, ek e , bollam je amake Bhakti . . . Prabhupādaer songe ekbar dekha korie dao. Kal ratti bela, sara din apnar chinta, sondhe bela chinta. Ekhane ese dekhlam. Eikhanei bose achi, oke jiggesh korun. Ami eikhanei bose achi. Apnake ektu seba korbo, ei amar sokh. Sei jonne bhalo tel thel baby oil sob rekhechi. Apnake ektukhani mane changa . . . dekhun amar shokti jothesto ache, apnar theke. (Yes the Lord's favour is there or else I would not be able to see you. Before I die, I told him to fulfil my one wish, let me just once grant a meeting with bhakti . . . Prabhupāda. Yesterday night and all the day, in the evening I was only thinking about you. After coming here I saw you. Since then I am sitting here, ask him I am sitting here since then. Just wanted to give you a little service, that is my wish. For that I have kept good quality oil, baby oil with me. I want to make you little rejuvenated . . . see I am having enough strength, stronger than you.)
Prabhupāda: Ha apnar to built well. (Yes you are well built.)
Dr. Ghosh: Khub bhalo, keno. (Yes I am well built, because . . .)
Prabhupāda: You are healthy . . .
Dr. Ghosh: Era sob jane, how I revived them. Ekhankar sob lok amake chene. Ami bollam je Prabhupāda asbe, ora amar okhane ase. Ami bollam Prabhupāda asbe ami okhane gea bosbo. Keno apnar kotha ami dekhun dosh bochor dhore moner moddhe ache. Apni ja ja korchen, somosto tarikh by tarikh apnar somosto bole debo. Amar tin jon ache jara apnar somosto boi, amar okhane tin copy kore ase. Amader librery ta khub boro hoye gachhe, okhane mane, apni okhane ese ekbar amader ektu upodesh din. (They know everything, how I revived them. All people here knows me. I told them Prabhupāda will come, they all come to my place. So I told them Prabhupāda will come, I will go there and wait for him. See for ten years I was thinking about you. Whatever you are doing, I can tell you date by date all the events. We have three persons who reads all your books. Three copies of all your books comes to my place. Our library has become very big. You please come there and give us some advice.)
Prabhupāda: Ha ha, ami jabo. (Yes yes, I will go.)
Dr. Ghosh: Jongoler moddhe ele dekhun jongoler mongol hoye jabe. (You come to the forest and see that there will be auspiciousness in the forest.)
Prabhupāda: Aar apnar, sune ja ekhon bujhechi . . . (So your, what I have understood by hearing from you . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Are, apni obak, apni gea dekhen jodi. Tar moddhe jodi apni Bhagobot sonen aar amader somosto Joydev songskrito, apnar khub anondo hobe. Apnar ekhane ache songskrito, recording tape ta ana hoi ni. To apni okhane cholun, apnake sara din amra nachie debo. Apni dekhbo, amader nach e dekhben sudhu. Amader okhane dance school royechhe.Chaitanya Mohaprabhu e to prothome dance arombho koran. Chaitanya Mohaprabhur age keu dance koran ni. (You will become amazed, If you go there and see. Moreover if you hear Bhāgavatam there and all our Jayadev's sangskrit, you will be very pleased. We have Sanskrit here, but the recording tape I couldn't bring. You simply go there, we will make you dance the whole day. You will see, you will see our dance only. We have a dance school there. It was Caitanya Mahāprabhu who first inaugurated the dancing. Before him on one performed dancing.)
Prabhupāda: Drama also.
Dr. Ghosh: Ei jonne amra sob . . . (That's why we all . . .)
Prabhupāda: He is the first beginner of . . . (indistinct) . . . Uni goverment scholar chilen. Russia tasia somosto jaigai, khub, mane govt pathai oke. (She was a government scholar. The Government sends him to Russia and many other places.)
Dr. Ghosh: Ei jokhon khub boro boro lok, boigganik . . . (indistinct) . . . rani, queen Elizabeth. To oi ekmatro ache je gea bujhie dei, je nacher . . . saradin to amader okhane oi nacer e chorcha, ganer chorcha, sob bhorti. Apni amar okhane ja songskrito sunben, apni kokhhono eto bhalo songskrito sonen ni. Eto poriskar. Amar Europe Amerikar jonne kori. Ora onek ase , amader chatrora sob bohu dur theke ase. Germany theke, Sweden theke. To apni ekbar gea pododhuli dea amader bachan. Ta apnar oi ek pododhulite amra aro lafie cholbo. Apni onumoti kore din, apni bole din. (When some big personalities, scientists . . . (indistinct) . . . queens, Queen Elizabeth. So she is the only one who goes and make them understand, this dancing . . . at our place throughout the day there are the practice of singing and dancing, all occupied. The Sanskrit that you will listen at my place, you haven't heard such Sanskrit pronunciation ever. So clear. We do this for Europe and America. Many from those places comes, many of our students comes from very far away places. From Germany, Sweden. You kindly come once and save us by putting the dust of your feet there. By just your one visit we will be highly encouraged. You grant your permission, you instruct them.)
Prabhupāda: Apnar chele pule? (Do you have any children?)
Dr. Ghosh: Amar ek chele bilete. Se BBC te kaj kore. Broadcasting. Or ekta nijer feature program ache - Question of faith. Se o khub bhokto. Se BBC te robibar 10:30 er somoi or ekta TV program thake. To okhane, okhane thake. Se sonnasi. Se bea tha kore ni. . . . (indistinct) . . . aar ei stri, amar jokhon haat pa bhenge jai. Amar ekta boro acciodent hoi. Amar haat pa nei. Sob lohar tukro tukro bose achhe. Aar ami ekta patient jokhon haspatale jachhilam, ekta gari dhakka mere fele dei . . . (indistinct) . . . to sei somoi uni Germanyr theke asen. Uni German noi, uni Bharotio. Germany te Indian government pathai, sekhanor jonno, amader Bharat natyam jake bole. Tarpore uni ese amar okhane, bolche tomar kach charbo na, tomar haat pa nei. To amake nea okhane gea amake chalie talie thik rakhe se. Aar amar to sara din kaj, gorib lokder kaj. Amra ekso teish jon lok nea arombho kori, 1948 sale. Ekhon amra dosh hazarer er besi lok, pach ta school. Or nijer o school achhe. Tateo ponchanno jon student, somosto bideshi. Tale ki hoi jibon amader bhoyanok kaje thakte hoi. (One of my son is staying overseas. He works in BBC. Broadcasting. He has his own feature program there, "Question of Faith". He is also a very good devotee. In BBC on Sunday 10:30 he has one TV program. So he stays there. He is a renunciate. He is not married . . . (indistinct) . . . and my wife, when I broke my hand and leg. I met with a big accident. I don't have my original hands and legs. Some iron pieces are inserted there. When I was going to a hospital with one of my patient, then one car hit me and threw me in the ground . . . (indistinct) . . . so at that time she came from Germany. She is not a German, she is Indian. Actually Indian government sent her to Germany, to teach dancing, what we call here Bharat natyam. After returning she came to my place. She said that she will not let me stay alone as I didn't have functional hands and legs. Then she took care of me and made me fit. I am to work for whole day, for poor people. We began with hundred and twenty three people in 1948. Now we are more than ten thousand people, five schools are there. She has one of her own school, there are fifty five student's in her school. All are foreigner. So in our life we are to remain busy with heavy workload.)
Prabhupāda: Ha ha ha. (Yes, yes, yes.)
Dr. Ghosh: Aar amar boyesh to hoyei jachhe . . . (indistinct) . . . . tokhon jokhon sunlam je baba Prabhupāda aschen, tokhon mane no body can stop me now. Ta okeo likhechi Prabhupāda asben. To ekhane je apnader golmal. Ami oke nea aschilam apnake sonanor jonne. Somosto ostopate amader ekbar chomotkar, ostopath, puro Joydev songskrito, apni ekhane ese ekbar sonen. Amader e doya apnake kortei hobe. Amra jokhon eto seba korchi apnar jonne, apni ekbar payer dhulo din. Ekhon din thik kore din, ami sob bondo, je kore hok . . . (indistinct) . . . aar apnar sunun, ami to sob Jawaharlal Nehru bolun, somosto boro boro lok ami seba koerechi sob. Amar baritei sob ase. Indira Gandhi porjonto amar barite ese . . . aar apnar ekhane pododhulir jonne ami sob toiri kore bose achi, amake apnar payer dhulo ektu. Ami apnake, apni obak hoye jaben. Apni dekhben je apnar amader . . . ha ami to chole jabo porshu din sokalbela kalke Jonmastami kore. Amake adghonta ekdin, apnar somosto deho, ei Rolls-Royce gari apnar atto din choleche, oke ektu servicing dorkar. Apnar to dorkar nei, kintu apnake amader dorkar.To dekhun jodi Bhogoban kauke amar kache gari den, take jodi ami service na kori setao ekta pap. To apni jodi onumoti den, kichhu na, apni sudhu ektu suye thakben. Apni dekhun je Bhogoban kirokom chomotkar . . . (indistinct) . . . ami to ponchas bochor ei kaj korchi. Ponchas bochor. Ami . . . (indistinct) . . . 1947, 1927 e prothom MD, 2nd MD 31 e, Vienna. Tarpore dhorun ei ponchas sal dhore ei kaj e hochhe. Amar okhane sob, even Indira Gandhi thandi, ami jai na, ora amar okhane ese. Keno amar har, amra boli ostio pack. Har, muscle, ogulo, jegulo nurve gulo hochhe jhalie dei. Tate hoi ki dekhben apnar blood pressure thad presure sob sere jabe. (And my age is also increasing . . . (indistinct) . . . when I heard that Prabhupāda is coming, then you know no-one can stop me now. I have written her also that Prabhupāda will come. But here in your place it's too disturbing. I was about to bring her so that you can hear. All our narration of Astapath, excellently done by us, Astapath, all Jayadev's Sanskrit, you go there are hear it once please. You must have to grant us this mercy. When we are serving you so much, you please visit there once. Now you schedule a date, I will arrange, by hook or by crook . . . (indistinct) . . . listen please, I have served all the big big personalities, like Jawharlal Nehru and others. They all come to my home. Even Indira Gandhi also came to my house . . . and for your visit I have made all arrangements, you please give us the dust of your feet there. I will show, you will be surprised. You will see that for you we . . . I will be leaving day after tomorrow morning after attending Janmastami festival tomorrow. Give me half an hour one day, all your body, your this body is like a Rolls-Royce car, it's running for so long, it needs little servicing. We know that you don't need that but we need you. So if God gives me someone's car and if I do not service it, that too is a sin. So if you kindly grant permission, it's nothing, you just have to lay down. You will see that how wonderfully God has . . . (indistinct) . . . I am doing this job for fifty years. Fifty years. I . . . (indistinct) . . . in 1947, no 1927 I got my first MD and second in 1931 at Vienna. Since then for last fifty years I am doing this job only. In my place everyone, even Indira Gandhi, I don't go to anybody's place, they come to me. Because on bone, we say ostio pack. Bone, muscle, all these and the nerves, I do rejuvenate them. As a result you will see, your blood pressure etc. all will be cured.)
Prabhupāda: Ha apnar . . . (indistinct) . . . amar ei whole institute e ami ja bolbo ta hobe. Ami jodi morte boli, morbe. Ei je dictetorship, eta keno ora swikar korche? . . . (indistinct) . . . Uni ja bolchen eitai thik.Seta jodi hoi . . . (indistinct) (Yes your . . . (indistinct) . . . in my institute whatever I will say that is final. If I ask them to die, they will die. So this dictatorship, why are they accepting this? . . . (indistinct) . . . whatever he is saying that's actually correct. If that is the case . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Amar o tai, apni ja bolchen tai thik. (Me too, whatever you are telling that's correct for me as well.)
Prabhupāda: Seta jodi hoi, tahole to success hoye gelo. Ta na hole ekta . . . (indistinct) . . . Seta korte hole, . . . (indistinct) . . . yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā (SB 5.18.12) . . . (indistinct) . . . sudhu boktrita dea gele bipod . . . (indistinct) . . . Ta na hole loke dumre dumre dumre . . . (It it's so then success is achieved. Else some . . . (indistinct) . . . to do that . . . (indistinct) . . . Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā (SB 5.18.12) . . . (indistinct) . . . only to give lecture is dangerous . . . (indistinct) . . . otherwise people will distort distort distort . . .)
Dr. Ghosh: Amar o, ami jani seta. Amar opor apni dekhben bhoktir, nahole por oi jongoler moddhe jekhane athash sal thakchi. Nana rokom jongli, boro boro Ajogor sap nea amra bose achi. Kono bhoi nei. Kauke chini na. Sudhu gurur adesh. Jao tumi gea dekho, ora atto gorib amader. Ta apni dekhben je amader koto boro boro industry amra korchi. Hate toiri kora sob, amader oi jongoler lok sob toiri . . . (Mine also, I know that. You will see, devotion is on me, else in that forest I am staying for twenty eight years. There we are living with varities of forest dewellers, huge Pythons. We don't have any fear. We don't know anybody. Only the order of my guru—you go and stay there, they are so poor. You will be happy to see that we have made big big industries. All hand made things, those forest dewellers, they make all . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hater e toiri, beshi kol kobjai na. (Handmade is good, don't use machines much.)
Dr. Ghosh: Na na kolkobja noi. Ta holeo dekhun emon ekta somoi ese gache. (No no, not much machinery. Still you see such a time has come.)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Ghosh: Kol kobjar moddhe nei. Ta hole dekhun power na hole por chorka chole na. Tahole power station, nijeder station korte hoi ekta. Khub, apni dekhle, oi gobor dea e amra kori. (We are not into machines. Still you see without power the wheels don't move. In that case power station, we are to make our own power station then. Good if you see, we do it by using cow dung.)
Prabhupāda: Self help.
Dr. Ghosh: Ha? Gobor deai kori. Cow dung gas fas sob royeche . . . (indistinct) . . . aste aste. Emon kichu ekta birat byapar noi. Houar upai o nei. (What? We do it by cow dung. Cow dung gas is there . . . (indistinct) . . . gradually. It's not such a big thing. There is no scope also to make it big.)
Prabhupāda: Na na, jinish ta hochhe, our life should be simplified. (No no, actually the thing is that our life should be simplified.)
Dr. Ghosh: Absolutely.
Prabhupāda: We shall not unnecessarily complication na.
Dr. Ghosh: Amader to ekebare simple. Amra je bari ghor dor kori, sob chomotkar. Sokole bole khub bhalo, ekebare simple. Aar amra ekta gram korchi ekhon. (Ours are totally simple. The house that we make, all are wonderful. Everyone says those are very good, totally simple. Now we have made a village.)
Prabhupāda: Yuktāhāra-vihārasya (BG 6.17).
Dr. Ghosh: Minimum. Dignity bujhechen. (Minimun. Just a matter of dignity you see.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . find out this verse.
Devotee: Yukta-ceṣṭasya karmaṇā?
Prabhupāda: Where is Bhagavad-gītā?
Dr. Ghosh: Apnar sob amar okhane ache. Ta apni ekdin kaj korun, ami ekhane apnar payer dhare bose thakbo, ami to norchi na. Ete ki ache. Apnar jodi ek ghonta somoi thake. Ami apnar jonne mane Amerika theke je, ekebare pobitro tel jeta hoi, mane jol, baby oil, baby der newborn baby der, rekhechi. Apnii ,amake ektu khani jodi . . . apni dekhben, amar tahole khub bhalo, amar khub bhalo haat. Apni bujhte parben. Aar apnar seba ami ektu korte chai morbar age. Dekhun parshod na thakle por, apnader ke bachie rakhbar moto lok nei. Amra sob apnar parshod sob. (All your books are there with me. You please do one thing, I will just sit beside your feet, I am not going to move anywhere. It's very simple. If you have one hour free time. From America I have arranged, totally sanctified oil and water, means water, baby oil, oil for newborn baby, I have kept with me. If you please just a little . . . you will see, I will feel good, my hands are very expert on this. You will realise. And before I die I wish to render some little service to you. See if associates are not there, no one is here to keep you alive. We all are your associates only.)
Prabhupāda: Kripa kore amake rakhun.Din kotok kaj kori. (Please do protect me. Let me work for few more day's.)
Dr. Ghosh: Dekhun parshod na thakle, Mohaprabhu Chaitanya sob, ora oke to, apnader sob rakhbar jonne prarthona korte hoi Bhogobaner kache. Dekhun apnar hochhe dos inchi pipe, amra hochhi one eighth inch pipe. Apnar je, je Bhogoban apnake or moddhe dea thele pathachhen, jara parshod tara to thik regulate kore rakhte hoi . . . (indistinct) . . . sei apni bhabun. Apni, ami jani, apnar kono chinta nei. (See, if associates are not there, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's all, for Him they, to keep you people alive prayrs are to be offered to the Lord. You are having a ten inch pipe, we are one eighth inch pipe. What your, what God is giving you, through you what God is pushing down, those who are the associates, they need to regulate the force . . . (indistinct) . . . so you please think over it. You, I know, you have nothing to worry about.)
Prabhupāda: Apni bolun, parshod bolte gele, kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ viṣākṛṣṇaṁ sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam (SB 11.5.32), Parshadoi. (You say, to say about associates, kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇaṁ sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam. Parshadoi, associates.)
Dr. Ghosh: Eita eita eita amar khub bhalo lage. (This one I like very much.)
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇaṁ sāṅgo upāṅgā pārṣadam yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ (SB 11.5.32). Amra to parshoder upasona koe thaki. (We are the worshipper of the associates.) (chuckles)
Dr. Ghosh: Na na, apni apni apni nijeke nije apni dekhen e ni, bhaben e ni. Amra jani apni ke. Parshoderai jane. Apni je bollen biswas koro. Ami jodi matha khureo jodi mori , ke aar biswas korbe? Apni bollen biswas koro, moro, more jabe. Era sob parshod. Apni jodi amake bolen, tumi more jao ekhane, ami more jabo. Sudhu apnar kothar jonne noi, kenona apni amra apnar parshod, apnake jibon dea apnake rakhte hoi. Ta na hole por monusso jatir upor kono . . . upai nei. Jekhan je Bhogobaner bikash, sekhane dekhben sob lok take bachie rakhbar jonne. (No no, you have not seen yourself, have not thought about it. We know who you are. Only associates knows. You told us to believe. If I, even if I try hard, who will believe me? You said—please keep faith. If you tell them to die, they will die. They are all associates. If you tell me, you die here, I will die. Not only for your words but because we are your associates, by sacrificing life you have to be protected. Otherwise on the human race nothing . . . no way. Were there is the manifestation of God, you will see many people sacrificing there to keep him alive.)
Prabhupāda: Bhagavaner upasona hoi sa-parshod. (God's worship is done along with His associates.)
Dr. Ghosh: Edike amar kan bhoyanok kala, tobuo apnar sob kotha ami sunchi. (Just see my ear is almost deaf and still I am able to hear all your words.)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Gopal. Go paal. (. . . (indistinct) . . . Gopal. Maintainer of the cow's.)
Dr. Ghosh: Gopal oh. (Oh Gopal.)
Prabhupāda: Mane jini Go ke palon koren. Tar parshod. Bhogobaner goru houa, o parshod chara hote pare na. Ei je Bhogoban emni kore alingon korche, e sadharon bachur? Do you think they are ordinary calves? (Means who maintains the cows. His associates. To become a cow of the Lord, without being an associate it's not possible. Here see how Lord is embracing, is it an ordinary calf? Do you think they are ordinary calves?)
Mahāṁśa: To be embraced by Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: They are associates. They are associating with Lord as calf, as cow. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ (BS 5.37). Nija-rūpa.
Dr. Ghosh: Amar nijer rup dekheo bolben, Janama abadhi hamo rupo niharenu nayana na tiropito. Ei je ruper ekta khela cholche, lakho lakho yuga . . . (indistinct) . . . nu, tobu hiye juralu nayanu. Ei dekhun apnake dekhchi, aar kono dekhbar nei amar. Sob pash. Amra sob durer theke , kacher theke sob pash. Jonom jonom dhore dekhchi. (You are saying to see my own form, since birth I am seeing different forms but still my eyes are not satiated. That this game of form is going on, for millions of years . . . (indistinct) . . . by seeing you my eyes are satisfied.)
Prabhupāda: In Vṛndāvana, the calves, the cows, the trees, the land, the water—everyone, ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhiḥ. That is expansion of Kṛṣṇa's spiritual energy. Cit-śakti. There are three energies: spiritual, material and marginal. So Vṛndāvana affairs means expansion of Kṛṣṇa's spiritual energy. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa. Sac-cid-ānanda. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa. Rasa, mellow. Everyone is trying to relish some mellow. Here in this material world we get family to taste some mellows. One kind of mellow is wife, one kind of mellow are children, one kind of mellow is the servants, one kind of mellow is the friends, one kind of mellow is the properties. They are all mellows, rasa. Unless there is some taste, why one should be hankering after all these things? Why one is hankering after some woman or some man or some friends or for children? One who has got no children, he's hankering after some child. He's expecting, "When I shall get a child?" The rasa. There is husband-wife rasa, but there is no rasa of the child. Therefore they are praying, "When we shall get a child?" So there is another rasa. So raso vai saḥ. He is the reservoir of rasas. So if we derive all the rasas from the Supreme, because He is the reservoir of rasas . . .
Prabhupāda: Akhila-rasāmṛta, yes. Akhila-rasāmṛta-sindhu. So you can have all the rasas, and that is the origin of bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. In bhakti, that rasa, you become in the ocean of rasa. You're hankering after rasa. There is a Vedic injunction, raso vai saḥ labdhvānandi ānandī. One who has got the rasa, labdhvānandi, then he gets the real ānanda. That ānanda-cinmaya-rasa expansion is Kṛṣṇa's calves, cows, gopī friends, cowherd boy friends, Nanda, Yaśodāmāyi, so many. So to be Kṛṣṇa conscious means to participate with these rasas. It is not dry. It is not dry, like, simply so 'ham, so'ham, finished. So 'ham, they do not know the meaning. So 'ham means I belong to the same rasa. I also eligible to enjoy the same rasa. But Kṛṣṇa is . . . (break) . . . and the calves, the cows are enjoying the rasa as predominated. Just like husband and wife, they are enjoying, both. But one is enjoying as the husband, predominator. The husband is forcefully dragging the wife. She's also . . . while she is dragged by force, she enjoys. That is another rasa. But there is rasa. Combined together it becomes rasa. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa does not enjoy this material. This material rasa is the perverted reflection of that cinmaya-rasa. So we have to get ourselves nil of all these material rasas, and we have to be situated in the cinmaya. Then our . . . ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). Then our life is perfect. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Rasa is there. Here perverted reflection. The perverted reflection . . . my Guru Mahārāja used to say to taste milk in white, what is called, lime water. White lime water, it looks like milk. But it is not milk. It is different thing. Similarly, we are trying to taste the rasa of milk in lime water. Therefore we are baffled.
Dr. Ghosh: That is true. Whole universe is rasa. Even in Mars they're trying to find humidity. What is humidity, rasa. Everything is moving on the rasa only. We are floating on rasa.
Prabhupāda: Our aim of understanding this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is not a sentiment. It is a great science, great science. Otherwise how we are writing so many books? If it was a dry . . .
Dr. Ghosh: Nothing happens in dryness.
Prabhupāda: Why people are accepting our books? You'll be surprised, we are selling book to the extent of six lakhs of rupees per day. Daily. Daily we are selling six lakhs of rupees' worth all over the world. So people think philosophy, religion, dry subject matter. If it was dry subject matter, how they could purchase so many books? It is ānanda-cinmaya-rasa. They are getting for the first time, here is real ānanda. Therefore they are appreciating. Everyone, learned circle, they are giving appreciation. In . . . (indistinct) . . . foreign circles. So, there was no such literature. It is the first time. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇaṁ vaiṣṇavānām . . . (SB 12.13.18). So unless they're really relishing some rasa, how they are purchasing? This is the first distribution of ānanda-cinmaya-rasa throughout the whole world, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. So I am very happy that you are also very . . . (indistinct) . . . let us join together, we shall raise . . .
Dr. Ghosh: We can consult and fix a date, what suits Prabhupāda best, then I will arrange for the rest at that end.
Mahāṁśa: When are you leaving Hyderabad?
Dr. Ghosh: I'm leaving just after . . . you see, I was leaving long ago, but he was coming. So I will leave 19th morning plane. That is the day after the Janmāṣṭamī tomorrow. Night, whatever festivity, I'll be here. I think there will be some saṅkīrtana also. After that, early morning, I'll catch the plane and go up to Madras, and there I shall fly again to my tila (my small hill top place). It is not very far, as you are thinking, but you know Kodaikanal is the, prithibir moddhe naki sobcheye bhalo jaiga, climatologically. Amar ichhe je amar ja kichu achhe apnar possessione dea, okhane era je kaj kormo korche gorome, majhe majhe gea ektu recharge. (Kodaikanal, supposedly it's the best place in the whole world, climatologically. I wish that whatever I have I will give those unto your possession, what these people are working here in such hot environment, they can visit there sometime to recharge.) Because they are recharging the battery of the urban line. But they also will be recharging that battery in a nice cosmic place. And that . . .
Prabhupāda: Amader je rasa, our rasa, it can be tasted by the topmost intellectual man. (The rasa that we have, our rasa, it can be tasted by the topmost intellectual man.)
Dr. Ghosh: Of course.
Prabhupāda: And it can be tasted by the lowest . . .
Dr. Ghosh: No intellect at all. I know that.
Prabhupāda: But why? Because this intellect, highest or lowest, that is in relationship with the body. But it is beyond the body. It is not . . . sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya (BG 14.26). It is beyond the three guṇas. The body is of the material guṇas—sattva, rajas, tamas. One man is good man, one man is passionate, one is foolish. Guṇa. Kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo'sya. Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi bhunjante guṇān (BG 13.22)? (aside) Find out this. Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi bhunjante . . . beginning with puruṣaḥ. Everything is explained, Bhagavad-gītā.
Dr. Ghosh: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is matchless. We are reading and re-reading, and every time we find much more, you see? Terrific. And you have put the simplest method—"As it is," as you say. Why complicate, tika this . . . that is why . . . you know, we can be safely called intellectuals. But, you know, we are tired of it.
Dr. Ghosh: Tired. We cannot find anything. Neti neti vicāra te patra patra (sangskrit) . . . impossible. Then what do you get out of the life? The joy, rasa, apni je bollen, (The joy which you just have mentioned), that is the main substance. To get it you cannot get neti neti, Mohaprabhur ja hoyechilo . . . (indistinct) . . . (To get it you cannot get neti neti, what Mohaprabhu experienced . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Prabhupāda: Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi (BG 13.22). (aside) Find out. Puruṣaḥ. Why you cannot find this verse? What you are . . .
Mahāṁśa: Puruṣaḥ prakṛti, bhuñjante . . .
Prabhupāda: Tad guṇān. Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi. You did not find?
Dr. Ghosh: Eta apnar Bhāgavatam series na tinte volume? (Is this your Bhāgavatam series or just three volume?)
Prabhupāda: Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Seventeen volumes. Seventeen.
Dr. Ghosh: I have only two. Can I . . . is there any set available? I would like to buy the rest.
- puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi
- bhuṅkte prakṛti-jān guṇān
- kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya
- (BG 13.22)
Prabhupāda: Puruṣa, the living entity, he is now within the material energy. Prakṛti-sthaḥ. Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho . . .
Mahāṁśa: Puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi.
Prabhupāda: Stho hi.
Mahāṁśa: Bhuṅkte prakṛti-jān guṇān.
Prabhupāda: On account of his being in touch with the material energy, he has to suffer or enjoy the modes of material nature. Modes of material nature, and because, just like in your medical science one is suffering from a certain type of disease on account of his being infected by the similar virus or . . . what is called?
Dr. Ghosh: Virus. Animate in, apnader theory ami porechi. (Virus. Animate in, I have read your theory.) Now we know even the inanimate is animate, but by virology only it is changing. All the unanimate subject is slowly being transformed into animate. We are all convinced the whole process is the same. It's a terrific science now, virology. Latest, we have discovered. I am also working on virology quite a bit for all the virus disease and all. And we can eliminate them by only vacuum. My whole cure, they call it miracle and all this nonsense, it is only creating a vacuum which automatically takes away.
Prabhupāda: This virology will be complete . . .
Dr. Ghosh: When we accept this.
Prabhupāda: . . . when you accept this.
Dr. Ghosh: I know. (laughs) And I have accepted long ago. Because I felt, as a sincere worker, medicine doesn't interest me. What interests me is the cure. My profession is to cure, not to study the medicines. That is the cure.
Prabhupāda: Here it is very clearly stated that kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya (BG 13.22). The virology, infection, kāraṇam, that is the kāraṇam. Kāraṇam guṇa-saṅgo 'sya sad-asad-janma-yoniṣu. Why there are varieties of life? One is very intelligent . . .
Dr. Ghosh: You know also in Vedic sangit, Tamasa bahurupena bestitaha karma hetu na . . . (indistinct) . . . sukha dukhha samanwita (Sanskrit).
Prabhupāda: Same thing.
Dr. Ghosh: Same thing, no? Everything has light. Only it is in transformation by that formula, it is inanimate to animate. That is what is happening all around us.
Prabhupāda: So, if from . . . just like medical science . . . it is also a medical science. Bhavauṣadhi. It is . . . auṣadhi means medical science. This is bhavauṣadhi. By this treatment one becomes relieved from the material disease. Bhavauṣadhi. Bhavauṣadhāc chrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt. But the medicine is so nice that it is pleasing to the ear and to the heart. The medicine pleasing to the ear? What is that.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Ghosh: Apni amader okhane cholun, amader o khub bhalo naam . . . (indistinct) . . . amader Bangali dhoroner sob amra korechi, amader recording e ache sob. Apnake sonabo. Apni khub anando paben. Amader ek family ache Mohana Nanda, tini Deoghar e thaken, tini ekhane ese amader record korie jan. Aar amar stri to saradin naach neai ache, Bhogobaner nach. Apnar khub bhalo lagbe, apni ektu. Aram noi, ekebare somadhir moddhe apni ese jaben. Cholun na, oder hukum kor din. (You please come to our place, we also have very good nama . . . (indistinct) . . . we have made it in Bengali style, in our recording everything is there. We will play for you. You will be very happy. We have one family named Mohana Nanda, he stays in Deoghar, he comes here and makes the recording. And my wife is busy all day with her dancing, for God. You will feel very happy, you please. Not only feel comfort, you will reach samadhi stage there. Please instruct them, let's go.)
Prabhupāda: Jedin ora fix up korbe. (When they will fix up the date?)
Dr. Ghosh: Ha? (What?)
Prabhupāda: Ora jedin fix up korbe. (When they will fix up the date?)
Dr. Ghosh: Ha oi je hukum. (Yes that is called order.) We decide a date, and take . . . not too . . . we have no means for having too many people, but about dozen people, or ten people can come. And they will have all facility. We can arrange a station wagon and everything there. You have to come up to Kodaikanal Road Station. And if you like we shall arrange for your departure from Madras . . . (indistinct) . . . Ami sathe. (I will be with you.) We will come with you. Apni . . . (indistinct) . . . Prabhupāda ke rekhe asben. We will accompany you all the way. Aapko aur Surana shab ko bol denge, aap dono . . . (indistinct) . . . le jayenge. Tahole choli. Apnake aar, apnake aar . . . apni ekdin hukum korun, apnar seba tahole okhanei apnake korbo. (I will accompany you. We will come with you. You . . . (indistinct) . . . take Prabhupāda to stay there. We will accompany you all the way. I will intimate you and Mr. Surana, you two . . . (indistinct) . . . will take you. Goodbye then. Your, your . . . you just order one day. Your service, I will serve you there then.)
Prabhupāda: Ha ha. (Yes yes.)
Dr. Ghosh: When you come there. Ekhane boddo golmal. (It's very noisy here.) I'll get everything ready. It is settled you are coming at there earliest.
Dr. Ghosh: Apni bole din kobe. (You tell me the date.)
Prabhupāda: When they'll make a program, conveniently, I shall go.
Dr. Ghosh: Ami, dekhiye. (I, you see.) I'm leaving on 29th morning. If you can give me a word by tomorrow evening. Not 29th; 19th. Today is 17th.
Prabhupāda: They cannot decide so soon.
Dr. Ghosh: : Janmāṣṭamīr pore? (After Janmāṣṭamī?)
Prabhupāda: Janmāṣṭamī pore. (Yes after Janmāṣṭamī.)
Dr. Ghosh: Apnar vyas pujar . . . (Your vyasa puja's . . .)
Prabhupāda: Another program is that we are going that side during . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Ghosh: Kanyakumari te jaben naki? Odike jaben naki? (Will you go to Kanyakumari? Will you go in that direction?)
Prabhupāda: Ha. (Yes.)
Dr. Ghosh: To cholun amra songe jabo. Amader barir kachei to. Palni te asun. Palni, Kentur khub bhalo area. Kumar. (Well we will also go with you then. It's near to our home. You go to Palni. Palni, Kentur, very good places, Kumar also.) So we have to see . . . (indistinct) . . . (background comments by devotees) You also send this.
Mahāṁśa: Yes, I have to take little time.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Please come in.
Devotees: Jaya. Prabhupāda ki jaya.
Prabhupāda: Give them little prasādam.
Dr. Ghosh: Oder ekta din thik korte bole din. (Please tell them to fix a date.)
Prabhupāda: Ha ora korlei ami chole jabo. (Yes once they fix a date I will go.)
Gurukṛpā: He's a life member from Bangalore. He was one of our first members in South India.
Prabhupāda: I saw you? Give them prasādam.
Indian man: Last night at the airport.
Prabhupāda: Give them prasādam.
Devotee: They had prasādam.
Prabhupāda: Aap idhar ka hi rehne wale hai? From Bangalore? (Do you stay here? Or from Bangalore?)
Indian man (2): Hum Bangalore rehne wale hai. Aap bahut uttam kar rahe hai. Bhagawan ka prachar kar rahe hai. (I stay at Bangalore. You are doing a very noble job. You are preaching about God.)
Prabhupāda: Iske bina to kuch janna nahi hai. (I don't know anything else than this.)
Indian man (2): Ji Maharaj? (Yes Mahārāja?)
- jātiḥ śāstraṁ japas tapaḥ
- aprāṇasyeva dehasya
- maṇḍanaṁ loka-rañjanam
- (Hari-bhakti-sudhodaya 3.11)
Without bhagavad-bhakti, this so-called advancement of civilization is simply decorating the dead body.
Indian man (2): Correct. Cent percent correct.
Prabhupāda: What is the use of decorating the dead body?
Indian man (2): Correct. Yes. We must decorate real . . .
Prabhupāda: And this body is . . . either dead or alive, Bhagavad-gītā condemns: gatāsūn agatāsūṁś ca nānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ (BG 2.11). So these rascals are interested with this body, and they're proud of their advancement of education. And Bhagavad-gītā says nānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ. So they are passing as great scientists, philosophers, politicians, philanthropists, but all apaṇḍitāḥ. Nānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ. That means apaṇḍita.
Indian man (3): Apnar doya na hole ki kore hobe mosai? (Unless your mercy is there how can it be?)
Prabhupāda: Ami to doya korbar jonne to sara duniya ghure berachi. (I am travelling all over the world to give mercy.)
Indian man (3): Ei to bolchi dhonnobad dilum apnake, khub beshi. (That's what I am saying, I am thanking you for that, a lot of thanks.) (laughter)
Prabhupāda: And the first thing of Bhagavad-gītā lesson is that aśocyān anvaśocas tvaṁ prajñā-vādān (BG 2.11): "You are talking like a learned man, but you are rascal." Apaṇḍitaḥ. One who is not educated, he's a rascal. So He's indirectly saying: "This kind of lamentation is not for the paṇḍita. It is for the rascal." So whole world is interested with this body, and Bhagavad-gītā's teaching begins condemning the concept of body. Gatāsūn agatāsūṁś ca nānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ. Dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). Nobody knows this. And they are very learned scholars in Bhagavad-gītā.
Indian man (3): Ha ha, apnar doya holei to learned bola jai, nahole ki kore bola jai? (When you shower your mercy then one can become learned, otherwise how can one be said as learned?)
Prabhupāda: All these rascals, they're claiming to be learned scholar of Bhagavad-gītā.
Indian man (2): Anyhow, humlog, We are lucky souls, that we are surrendered souls. (Anyhow, we, we are lucky souls, that we are surrendered souls.)
Prabhupāda: Ha, humko sab miljhul karke, ye jo andolon hai isko achhi tara se samhalna. (Yes, we all will come together and this movement that is going on, we have to maintain it nicely.)
Indian man (2): Correct.
Prabhupāda: Yeh to akele . . . (I am alone . . .)
Indian man (2): Nahi nahi Bhagwan ka ichha hai , sab ka duty hai . . . (No no, It's the Lord's will, all of us have responsibility . . .)
Prabhupāda: Whatever is done, it is by single man's effort. If all our actually leaders, they take up, then India will be glorified. They'll feel . . . yes, they're expecting. Outside India, people, they expect that there is something better knowledge in India. Therefore as soon as some svāmīs or yogī goes there, they come. But they cheat.
Indian man (2): Many have come to cheat.
Prabhupāda: These rascals, I shall say that, sir, they do not know anything, and they go there for teaching yoga. And they are bogus.
Indian man (2): Bogus, bogus. So many bogus people are going.
Prabhupāda: They do not know what is yoga.
Indian man (2): They do not know what is what. What that is truth. They don't know.
Prabhupāda: And they get cheap money and women and that's all. That is their business.
Indian man (2): Aap Bharat ko ashirbad kariye. Iha Bhagabat dharma, Sanatan dharma ka prachar khub beshi hoye. (You shower your blessings upon India. Let the Bhagavad dharma, Sanatan dharma be spread extensively here.)
Prabhupāda: Aap log sab . . . (indistinct) . . . join kijiye, dekhye na abhi Bharat ka chehara badal jayega. (You all . . . (indistinct) . . . you join this movement, just see the face of India will change.)
Indian man (2): Badal jaye to achhi bat hai. Abhi to . . . (If it get's changed then it will be very good. But now . . .)
Prabhupāda: Jaroor jayega. (Surely it will change.)
Indian man (2): Ha, jaroor jayega. (Yes, it will surely change.)
Prabhupāda: Kyun ki Bharat abhi bhoola nahi. (Because India still haven't forgotten.)
Indian man (2): Nahi. Yeh to Bhagawan ka bhoomi hai. (Yes. This is the land of the Lord.)
Prabhupāda: Yeh jabardasti isko bhulaya ja raha hai. (Now people are made to forget forcibly.)
Indian man (2): Haan, Bhagwan ka bhumi hai. Yeh to politician log ghuma rahe hai isko. (laughs) Bhagwan ka bhumi hai ye. (Yes, this is the land of the Lord. Only these politician's are making things distorted. (laughs) This is the land of the Lord.)
Prabhupāda: To ab ek. . . (indistinct) . . . karke Hari kirtna kijiye. Gao gao me. (So you do one thing . . . (indistinct) . . . perform Hari kirtana. Village to village.)
Indian man (2): Apne paas bhi Thakur bari hai, swami Yashonand dekha hai . . . (indistinct) . . . kuch dharam hai. (At my place also there is a temple, Swami Yashonand have seen . . . (indistinct) . . . we are also religious.)
Gurukṛpā: He has a temple. The whole third floor of his house is a temple. He has Sītā-Rāma, Kṛṣṇa, Gopāla. He has big temple. They have saṅkīrtana every night. Every morning and night.
Indian man (2): Hamare Guruji to Vrindaban ke, aap jante hai. Rang Ji ke bari bagiche me rehte the. Jagad Guru swami Raghunath acharya. Aap to jante hai, Vrindaban gaye hai aap bhi. (My guru is from Vṛndāvana, you might be knowing. He stays in the big garden of Rang Ji. His name is Jagad Guru Swami Raghunath Acarya.)
Prabhupāda: Mai to Vrindaban me hi raha. Abhi Radharani humko bhagaya. (I was staying in Vṛndāvana only. Then Radharani made me run.)
Indian man (2): Bhaga diya! Radharani ka prachar karna hai to bhagayega ji. (Oh she made you run! Of course Radharani will make you run to preach about her.) (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Ho giya. (Now it's done.)
Indian man (2): Bhag giya tab hi to achha hua. Aab to lakho ka uddhar hoga, lakho ka. Uha baithe rehte tab to lakho ka nahi hota. Yaha to lakho ka uddhar hoga. Sare dunia ka ho raha hai. (You ran away then only such a good thing have happened. Now millions will be saved, millions. Had you been sitting there then millions could not have been saved. Now millions will be saved. It's happening all over the world.)
Prabhupāda: Isiliye to, uo Radharani bhaga bhi deta hai. (That's why I am saying, sometime Radharani can make you run also.)
Indian man (2): Bilkul bilkul. Mahatma ka shrap bhi asirvad hota hai. Radharani to prem hai. Uo to Ma hai. Ma to bete ko achha ke liye bhejta hai. Bahut sundar karya ho raha hai. Humko to bahut santosh hai, bara anand hai. (Of course, of course. The curse of a saintly person is actually a blessing. Radharani is love. She is the mother. For the benefit of the son, the mother sends her son away. Now such wonderful activities are going on. I am highly satisfied, very happy.)
Gurukṛpā: That Raṅganātha temple is that temple where they do not allow us in. So Sampat Kumar and all of these paṇḍitas, they will sign one letter trying to request them, also with the Purī people, to request them to let us in. While they are all here they will do that. Also Sampat Kumar was thinking that in November and December in South India the weather is nice because the rainy season is finished, and it would be a very good time to go and visit many of the temples. He personally knows many people in all the big temples: Shri Rangam, Kañcipuram, Mahabalipuram, Tirupati. They could arrange for receptions and programs.
Prabhupāda: Hum abhi tak Bharat varsh ka divya bhumi ka dekha nahi. Hum ghar chor kar ke Vrindavan me ake baith gaya. Fir Vrindavan se Amerika chala gaya. (Until now I haven't totally seen the divine land of Bhārata-varṣa. After leaving home I went to Vṛndāvana and was sitting there. Then from Vṛndāvana I went to America.)
Indian man (2): Amerika chala gaya. (He went to America.)
Indian man (3): Vrindavan me to . . . (indistinct) . . . (In Vrindavan . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Indian man (2): Amerika jana nahi to agga hua, yea sab jaga prachar karne ke liye bhej diya . . . (There was order to go to America, he was sent to preach all over the world . . .)
Indian man (3): . . . (indistinct) sanskrit . . .
Indian man (2): Amrit hai Bhagwan, amrit . . . (God is nectar, nectar . . .)
Indian man (3): . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (2): Yeh to zahar hai dunia . . . (indistinct) . . . dunia is a poison. God is amritam.. . . (indistinct) . . . Just opposite na. Das koti ashirbad kariye aap ke charno ki . . . (This world is poison . . . (indistinct) . . . world is poison. God is nectar . . . (indistinct) . . . they are just opposite. Please bless me ten million times with the dust of your feet . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . iska bandobast karie. (. . . (indistinct) . . . please arrange for this.)
Indian man (2): Ji. Oh to ho raha hai. Yes sab keya ho raha hai Maharaj? Ye to sab bandobast ho raha hai, nahi. (Yes sir. That is already happening. What all this activities are meant for Mahārāja? All these are that arrangement only.)
Prabhupāda: Lekin yeh to mushkil hai, to iha do char mahina lega na, Government . . . (But there is difficulty, if it takes few months here then government . . .)
Indian man (2): Government ka thoda abhi policy, aap ashirbad karie to . . . (The policy of the government now somewhat unfavorable, if you shower your blessings then . . .)
Prabhupāda: Is waje se, isliye, jab tak Bharat ke log . . . (indistinct) . . . (That's why, until the people of India . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Indian man (2): Politics nahi, government jo hai na, bhakt bane hai, tab tak. (Not about politics, the government that is here, let them become devotee, till then . . .)
Prabhupāda: Nahi nahi, government ka baat nahi hai. Bolta hai ki yeh jo prachar karjo, jabtak Indian log, samajh rahe hai na. Yeh mushkil se bahar se ate hai . . . (indistinct) . . . (No no, it's not about government. I am saying that this preaching activity, until Indian people, are you getting my point. These people comes from outside with difficulty . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Indian man (2): Nahi, karenge. Aap ke ashirbad hai inke upar haat hai to sab kam hoga. (Yes, we will do. Your blessings are there, you have kept your hand upon him, so everything will happen.)
Prabhupāda: Nahi nahi aap sunie na. (No no, you please listen.)
Indian man (2): Ji ji. (Yes sir.)
Prabhupāda: Jaise yeh log sahajog karte hai. (The way these people (foreigners) are cooperating.)
Indian man (2): Ha, sab log karenge. (Yes, all will do.)
Prabhupāda: Indian log karte . . . (Had Indian people also . . .)
Indian man (2): Karenge, milke karenge. (They will also do, we will do it together.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . Indians, they are not coming. Intelligent, educated Indians, they are not coming . . . (indistinct) . . . Boliye sabko, aap log milke samjhaie. (You tell everyone, convince them together.)
Indian man (2): Swamiji bolte hai ki sabko samjhaiye, jab Bharat me baithe hai . . . (Swamiji is telling that we should tell everyone, when we are sitting in India itself . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ha, especially South Indians. (Yes, especially South Indians.)
Indian man (2): Ha, inko samjhake . . . (Yes, to make them understand . . .)
Prabhupāda: South Indian.
Indian man (3): Jo bhi inke sath milke kam hi hai. (Whatever it may be, the job has to be done with them together.)
Prabhupāda: There, still their Indian original culture is still there in South India. Other parts of India, they are not now . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (3): Correct. South India . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (2): Swamiji bolte hai iha ka bhi aap prachar kariye. Sabko pakarke inke sath milake is karya ko badhana chahiye . . . (indistinct) . . . yeh iha ka sabse bara . . . (indistinct) . . . south India ka. To yeh , agar isme bhag liya to sab kam ho jayega. (Swamiji is saying that you people also began preaching here. Get everyone and bring them together and spread the preaching activity . . . (indistinct) . . . he is the biggest . . . (indistinct) . . . of south India. If he takes part in this then all the job will be accomplished.)
Prabhupāda: Isliye to aapko bol raha hu. Indian our American milkar kam karenge. (That's why I am telling you people. Both Indian and American will have to work together.)
Indian man (2): Milkar kam karenge. (We will work together.)
Prabhupāda: To isse bada asar parega, prabhab parega. (Then there will be great effect, good influence will be there.)
Indian man (2): Jaroor prabhab parega. (Of course it will have influence.)
Prabhupāda: Yeh to hai, aap Indian ko bulaiye. Sab mil kar ke gao gao me jaye.Ye jo bus hai hum log ka . . . (indistinct) . . . kahi bhi gao me giya, baith giya. Bhagawan ka murti hai, seba puja hoga, uha prasad bitaran hua . . . (indistinct) . . . (These people (foreigners) are here, you bring the Indians. Let them go villege after villege together. We have bus with us . . . (indistinct) . . . any time visit a villege and sit there. God's Deity is present, so worship and service will happen, then prasadam serving also will be done . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Indian man (3): Har gao me jayega? (Will they go to every village?)
Indian man (2): Ha, nahi bus me baithke sab le jayenge, prachar karenge. (No, they will take everyone by bus and will be preaching there.)
Prabhupāda: Ha. Yeh to mazood hai . . . (indistinct) . . . jada nahi, ek dafa inka , ek dafa unka. Abhi arrangement kijiye. Ye log ko bhi mazood hai. Abhi kuch din me aa jenge. Achha sikshit. (Yes. These people are here . . . (indistinct) . . . not too much, once their turn then next time others. Please make the arrangements now only. These people are present here. Within few days they will come. Well educated.)
Indian man (2): Ji ji. (Yes, yes.)
Prabhupāda: Jo samajh sake. (Who will be able to make them understand.)
Indian man (2): Bilkul. (Very true.)
Prabhupāda: To, dekhiye abhi to hum . . . (So you see, now we . . .) We have got buses. We have got buses—two, three. Any number of. It is very simple method, that we combine together, Indian and foreigners. Go in buses. Kahi bhi baithe. Kahi bhi baithe. (You may sit anywhere. You may sit anywhere.)
Indian man (2): Bhagawan sarbatra hai, sab uska hi seba karna hai. (God is present everywhere, we all are supposed to serve Him.)
Prabhupāda: Bhagwan ka murti hai. Seva puja hua, bhog hua, sabko prasad dijiye. Bas dekhiye keya hua. Yeh log to majood hai, aap log kuch le aiye, abhi kam suru hoga. (We have a Diety of the Lord. Worship and service will happen, bhoga offering will be done, distribute prasada to all. Then you see what happens. These people are already present here, you bring some people, we will begin the work now.)
Indian man (2): Karenge maharaj. (We will do it Mahārāja.)
Prabhupāda: Koi mushkil nahi. (It's not at all difficult.)
Indian man (2): Nahi karte hai. Bangalore ate hai, jitna ho sakte hai, hum log bhi karte hai. (Yes let's do it. Let's go to Bangalore, as much as possible, we will also try to do.)
Prabhupāda: Now it should be organized movement. This is simply . . .
Indian man (2): Aap bhi ek dafa Bangalore ane ki kripa kariye. (You also please visit Bangalore once.)
Prabhupāda: Ha, jaroor jayenge. (Of course, I will go.)
Indian man (2): You must also come in Bangalore once. Then it will be all . . .
Prabhupāda: Iska. (Regarding this issue) Immediately think over that these Europeans, Americans are there. Now take up the association of another, at least one dozen . . . (indistinct) . . . Indians, and let us go together, gao to gao (village to village) . . . what do you think about it?
Indian man (2): Bas achha hi hoga, Bhagwan ka prachar hoga. Sab jaga nam kirtan hoga. (It will be good, God's preaching will happen. Everywhere there will be nama kirtana.)
Yaśodānandana: We could go from Madras . . .
Indian man (2): Anywhere. Any village. All the villages . . .
Prabhupāda: You start from anywhere and go anywhere and sit down and chant.
Indian man (2): Sab bhoomi ko . . . (All the land . . .)
Prabhupāda: In India, Bhārata-bhūmi jaha hari-kīrtana sunega, (In India, land of Bharata, whenever people will here hari kirtana,) thousands will come. That is India. You won't have to advertise that,
Indian man (2): No, rom rom me hai. (No, it's in every pore.)
Prabhupāda: "There is hari-kīrtana. Come." No. As soon as you begin, immediately thousands. As soon as there will be sugar grain, immediately ants will come.
Indian man (2): Ants will come.
Prabhupāda: It is like that. This is a fact.
Indian man (3): Correct, correct. Hundred per cent correct. Bas jaha mridang baja sab log aa jayenge kirtan karte. (As soon as the sound of mrdanga will be heard, all the people will come to take part in kirtana.)
Prabhupāda: Ye jo Bharat bhumi me janma hota hai. (When one takes birth in the land of Bharata.)
Indian man (2): Bilkul. (Very true.)
Prabhupāda: Ye Bhagawat me hai aap to jante hai, Debta log prarthana karte ki kuch humara punna agar rahe geya to humko Bharat me janme. (This is in Bhagavat, you might be knowing, demigods are praying that if we have some pious credit left then let us take birth in the land of Bharata.)
Indian man (2): Bharat me janma de. Bharat ke to rom rom me Bhagwan hai, usme keya. (Let us take birth in Bharata. In every particle of Bharata, God consciousness is there—there's nothing strange in it.)
Indian man (3): Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā.
Prabhupāda: Iska bandobast kijiye. (Please make arrangements for this.) Immediately. Just get one dozen good—I mean, good or bad, it doesn't matter—who is ready to work for this purpose. And our men are ready. Our buses are ready. So let us go. There is no question of selecting place. Anywhere. Anywhere.
Indian man (3): Any place, anywhere, all the places.
Prabhupāda: You go and find out some good place for camping and begin kīrtana. Get down from the bus and begin kīrtana. Then all friends will come immediately. They will offer shelter, they will offer food—everything.
Indian man (2): Ha yeh to Bharat ki parampara, chali ati hai sadi se. (Yes this is the tradition of Bharata, going on for ages.)
Prabhupāda: One thing is that their difficulty is language. Indians are there, they can speak on the local language.
Indian man (2): They can explain everything.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore wanted.
Indian man (2): Swamiji Bhagwan ki seba ke liye to hum log aye hai chinta nahi. (Swamiji, we have come for the service of the Lord, you please don't worry.)
Indian man (3): Chinta kahe ko hai? (Why there will be worry?)
Indian man (2): Swamiji to sabka leader hai. (Swamiji will be the leader for all.)
Indian man (3): (indistinct) . . . Tirupati me jake, Tirupati me Balaji ka darshan, Padmavati ka darshan, oha sare jake, Bhagwan ka darshan le karke, oha bhi bhajan our kirtan karke . . . (. . . (indistinct) . . . going to Tirupati, taking darshan of Balaji there and taking darshan of Padmavati, going there and taking darshan of their Lordships, doing bhajan and kirtan there . . .)
Yaśomatīnandana: In Vaikuṇṭha Ekādaśī. In Shri Rangam they have this giant festival every year, the biggest festival in India. It's Vaikuṇṭha ekādaśī in December.
Indian man (2): Last December we went there.
Yaśomatīnandana: Very big. November-December is a very good time.
Indian man (2): Apni Ranga Ji dekhechen? (Have you taken darshan of Ranganath?)
Prabhapuda: Na. (No.)
Yaśomatīnandana: Kanchi-puram. Baradrāj.
Indian man (2): From here. Sidha south pura. (Straight to all in the South) . . . (indistinct) . . . up to Cape Comorin.
Yaśomatīnandana: Ahobila, Tirupati
Indian man (3): Yes, all of them, all of them.
Yaśomatīnandana: He knows all the places . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (2): This is the original birth, Shri Rangam.
Prabhupāda: Now with Suraji's cooperation make a program.
Yaśomatīnandana: Yes, we will do like that. November-December will be very suitable time. Then in January, the Kumbha-melā, we will try to organize something big there also. January, Allahabad, Kumbha-melā
Prabhupāda: 26 aadmi . . . (26 people) . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (2): Hum log gaye the pura south India . . . (We had gone to the whole south India . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Indian man (2): Inko bhi le jayenge sab. Karenge , prachar. (Will take him also with us. Will preach.)
Indian man (2): Bas aap ki ashirbad hum log leke chalenge. Sab achha hoga. (We will go ahead with your blessings, Everything will be good.)
Prabhupāda: That's all. Stop now.
Harikeśa: I was just going to say you should take massage now.
Harikeśa: I was just going to say it's time for massage.
Harikeśa: Can I tell you about the bank?
Harikeśa: Punjab National Bank is down the street, and we have our temple account there.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Punjab National Bank is there. That's all right.
Harikeśa: So how much do you want to deposit?
Prabhupāda: That I have to count.
Harikeśa: So we can do it any time.
Harikeśa: And before you arrange this Kumbha-melā—it's very cold there.
Prabhupāda: Don't talk now.
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Hari-śauri: Everything is going on. Wood carving, cement lay, painting, marble polishing. The yajña.
Prabhupāda: If we would have remained there . . . these people are coming. How they could see? . . . (indistinct)
Hari-śauri: Still, it would have been very quiet.
Prabhupāda: We are not . . . (indistinct) . . . besides that, we don't want quietness. We want how many are . . . (indistinct)
Hari-śauri: Jaya. If you wanted quietness, you could have stayed in Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (end)