750927 - Morning Walk - Ahmedabad

Morning Walks by Date, 1975

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

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750927MW-AHMEDABAD - September 27, 1975 - 43:17 Minutes

Prabhupāda: (indistinct Hindi) . . . any small parks here?

Kartikeya: There are many small parks, but biggest park is here. One is at Kankariya, near the lake. That old lake is . . . a five-hundred-old lake is there.

Prabhupāda: This is supposed to be the biggest.

Kartikeya: Because here people are only after money, so they are not care to give charity for any park when it is . . . (indistinct) . . . there is no private charity.

Prabhupāda: It is the duty of the municipal. (break) . . . program?

Madhudviṣa: The whole thing was completely packed.

Prabhupāda: Who spoke?

Devotee (1): Acyutānanda Mahārāja.

Kartikeya: In Hindi.

Prabhupāda: In Hindi?

Kartikeya: For more than one hour.

Harikeśa: In Hindi?

Kartikeya: Yes. One hour he spoke. About ten percent English words, twenty five percent Sanskrit, and rest in Hindi.

Devotee (1): He spoke very nice.

Kartikeya: People were very happy, and they could understand.

Prabhupāda: Philosophy was presented nice?

Madhudviṣa: Yes. Very nice.

Prabhupāda: You spoke? No.

Madhudviṣa: I spoke also, ten, fifteen minutes in the beginning.

Prabhupāda: Tum bhi bolne shuroo karo.(break) Jo thik se suna hai voh thik bolega. sravan kirtanam sravan agar thik hua hai to kirtan bhi thik hoga. (You also start speaking. Those who have heard properly will speak properly. If hearing is happening correctly then kirtan will also happen correctly.) kīrtana viṣṇoḥ, about Viṣṇu, not nonsense. (break) . . . speak in Hindi, they will hear more.

Kartikeya: Yes, they like it.

Prabhupāda: You cannot speak Hindi?

Girirāja: I can't give discourses.

Kartikeya: Thoda-thoda jaanta hai. (He knows a little.)

Prabhupāda: Haan, baccha hai, accha hai. Khali telephone karna janta hai. (Yes he is young. Good, only he knows how to phone.) "Yes, no, very good." You know this story, "Yes, no, very good"? No? There was one khalsama. So he was to go home, so he asked his friend that "So long I am not here, you serve a European master." So he said: "I do not know English. How can I serve him?" "No, no, no. These three words will do: 'yes,' 'no,' 'very good.'" Then he was engaged. (laughs) One day from the master's room something was missing. So he asked the new servant, "You have taken it?" "Yes." (laughter) Then he asked him, "Return it." "No." (laughter) "Oh, then I shall hand you over to the police." "Very good." (laughter) Then when the police came, he was won . . . "Sir, what is this? You have . . .?" "No, I do not know this." Then he was explained that, "I understand these three words only: 'yes, no, very good.' That's all." Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Kartikeya: . . . (indistinct)

Yaśomatīnandana: No, we have this place.

Devotee (2): It's very wet. Very wet.

Kartikeya: All wet in there.

Prabhupāda: Let us walk little more. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Oh, yes, it is very wet. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, everything will come out very good. But the rascals will not do that. That is the difficulty. They will make plan. (aside) Which way? Kṛṣṇa's plan they will not take. That is the difficulty.

Kartikeya: Is it because of the leaders are not following, therefore the population is not following?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Kartikeya: The wrong example is given?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas tat tad evetaro janaḥ (BG 3.21). If the leaders are rascals, therefore they are rascals. If father is rascal, the son is rascal. Therefore Bhāgavata says that, "If you are a rascal, don't become a father." Pita na sa syāt, na mocayed ya samupeta-mṛtyum (SB 5.5.18). "If you are a rascal, don't become a mother." Stop population. They have therefore invented, "Yes, we shall become 'bachelor father,' 'bachelor daddy,' " not actual father but "bachelor father." Here woman at least think nowadays that she must have a husband. In the Western countries they don't think. "No, there is no need of husband." Am I right? Huh?

Girirāja: Yes.

Prabhupāda: They don't think there is need of husband. Eh? But they feel. That I know. I have seen one girl, she saw another friend, "Oh, she has got a husband," whispering. So I can understand that everyone aspires after husband, but there is no hope. Hopelessness. This is the position. Every woman wants a good husband, good home, good children, little ornaments, nice food. That is the ambition of every woman. But they are hopeless. Although they are well qualified, European, American girls, they are hopeless, not to get any husband, not to get any home. This is their position. I have studied thoroughly. Is it not?

Girirāja: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Hopelessness. When we see in our association all these girls, they are so nicely, well qualified. Whatever they are taught, they immediately pick up.

Kartikeya: In America they were asking my wife how Indian women are able to keep such devotion for their husbands. So they are actually very much interested and envious of this situation in India.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the nature. That is . . . they want to be a faithful wife, but there is no husband. Where to become faithful?

Harikeśa: So then they want to become liberated.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Being hopeless repeatedly, now they want liberation. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) Jaya. (break) . . . samājīs?

Kartikeya: There are many. They fight with us. Even in the office, when they come, they speak quite ill words about many of our religious leaders and God. They are so much brainwashed, completely brainwashed. They call themselves Hindus, but they do not want to follow any God, only brahma-tattva or Brahman. They believe in the Vedas . . .

Madhudviṣa: . . . (indistinct)

Kartikeya: . . . they follow the religious leader only.

Madhudviṣa: Actually they are atheists.

Prabhupāda: Nāstika.

Madhudviṣa: Like Vivekananda.

Kartikeya: No, that man said they have muscular body and they have got muscular mind. That man was very much correct, absolutely. (break)

Prabhupāda: Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Indian man (3): Hamara idhar punjabi samaj hai Maharaj ji. (We have got our Punjābī samāj, Mahārāja.) We have got our building and some two, three years back when you people are come, there was one meeting over there. So we wish that this year also, if you spare some time, which time can be suitable to you. You are already booked for Rajasthan? After that are you staying here?

Prabhupāda: No. So when you can arrange meeting?

Indian man (3): When it is convenient to you. Today, tomorrow. Can it be tomorrow evening? No.

Brahmānanda: Tomorrow morning we are leaving.

Indian man (3): Tomorrow morning you are?

Brahmānanda: We are leaving.

Indian man (3): You are leaving tomorrow morning? Only today you have got time?

Prabhupāda: Yes, today I can stay.

Indian man (3): Today in the evening you are at Rajasthan-seva?

Prabhupāda: Rajasthan-seva?

Yaśomatīnandana: Our festival is to be held at Shahibag.

Indian man (4): From seven to ten.

Indian man (3): Shahibag seven to ten.

Prabhupāda: So I have to go there?

Yaśomatīnandana: If you wish.

Prabhupāda: No, no.

Yaśomatīnandana: There is going to be a lot of people there.

Prabhupāda: All right. What time? Seven to ten.

Indian man (3): Seven to ten you are at Rajasthan's house.

Prabhupāda: So before that, we can go?

Indian man (3): Before that, our merchants, they generally return from market at about 8:30 or 8. Tomorrow is Sunday. You are not free . . . you are leaving tomorrow.

Kartikeya: He is leaving by 8:30.

Prabhupāda: Tomorrow morning?

Indian man (3): Tomorrow morning you are leaving.

Prabhupāda: Yes, so tomorrow morning, if you arrange, we can leave some other time. Tomorrow morning.

Indian man (3): So you can postpone your going tomorrow?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tomorrow morning, if you can, then we can go in the evening. No?

Girirāja: There's a flight at 4:30, but I think some of the . . . we informed the devotees you were coming, and I think many important people might be coming Sunday evening to meet you.

Prabhupāda: Oh. All right. Then what can be done?

Indian man (3): . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Harikeśa: Maybe they can come to the paṇḍāl.

Indian man (5): It may be impossible. Impossible.

Girirāja: So next time.

Prabhupāda: Yes, next.

Indian man (6): Next time. When next you hope to come?

Prabhupāda: Yes, after a month.

Yaśomatīnandana: We will be here. Some of our disciples will be here, so you can . . .

Indian man (6): Where we can find them?

Kartikeya: We'll be there, at Ideal House. You can write down. They are residing there. All of them can come afterwards.

Yaśomatīnandana: Only Guru Mahārāja and two, three other disciples are going.

Kartikeya: Two people are going. We are continuing the program even at Rajana-samithi for three more days. At that time you can come in the afternoon, or we can give any other . . .

Indian man (6): So they are staying for one month.

Kartikeya: Not one month, but I hope to be at least one more week.

Girirāja: I think tomorrow would be the best day for a group of devotees to come. (break)

(in car)

Prabhupāda: Trinad api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā, amāninā mānadena kīrtanīya sadā hariḥ. This is the process to become very humble.

Kartikeya: Maharaj ji aap hindi mein bole to sab bhai acchi tarh samajhenge. (If you speak in Hindi, then all the brothers can understand very well.)

Prabhupāda: Ācchā. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu bataye hain ki yeh jo raasta hai . . . usse bhi niche ho jaana chahiye. Yeh ped jo jai isse bhi sahisnuna. Abhi ped ki tarah hum baithein hain isko kaat denge to kuch bolega, sahansheel. (Okay. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said that this path . . . must become lower than that. This tree, humbler than this humility. Now we are sitting like a tree, now if we cut this tree will it say anything? Tolerant.)

tṛṇād api sunīcena

taror api sahiṣṇunā

amāninā mānadena

kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ

(CC Adi 17.31)

Aur jiska kuch bhi samman nahi hai usko khoob samman do. Is dhang se rahoge to Hari kirtan kar sakoge. kyunki Hari kirtan karne se bahut si baadhayein pahoonchengi jaise Prahlad Maharaj. Paanch varsh ka balak uska kya dosh tha Hari-kirtan karna. To uska pitaji jo asur tha pasand nahi karta tha. Voh bolta kiska kirtan kar rahe ho. Bhagavan Hari. Hut, hum Bhagavan hain, hamaara karo. Voh maanta nahi tha. Bas aise hi pita-putr se jhagada, Aur aage jake pitaji itna unka dushman ho gaya ki maarne ke liye gaya To kehne ka matlab hai 'Daivi hi esa gunamayi mam maya duratyaya.' Maya bahut tagadi hai, Bhagavat bhajan karne mein bahut badha pahoonchati hai. Isliye sahansheel hoke Hari-kirtan karna chahiye aur duniya ka jo badhayein hain wo to rahega baki apna kaam karne chahiye, yeh Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ka upadesh hai. (And those who do not have any respect will not give them respect. If you act like this, then you can do Hari-kirtana—because by doing Hari-kirtan there will be a lot of obstacles like Prahlad Mahārāja. A young boy, five years old, what was his fault by doing Hari-kirtana? So his father, who was a demon, he did not like it. He used to say these kirtanas you are singing, Bhagvan Hari, I am God—do my kirtan. He would not accept it. So like this dispute between father and son and the father became such an enemy that he wanted to kill his son. So I mean to say: Daivi hi esa gunamayi mam maya duratyaya. Maya is very strong. She puts lots of obstacles in doing Bhagavat bhajan. That is why we must become tolerant and do Hari-kirtana and the obstacles that are there in this world will remain—we must perform our duty. This is the instruction of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. To become humble, this is the qualification.) Yeh gun hai Hari bhajan karne ke liye. Yeh madhya-madhya baith gaya sab neechey isliye main bol raha hoon. (This is the qualification for doing Hari bhajan. You people are all sitting down in the middle, that is why I am speaking. This humbleness is a good qualification.) Boliye aaplog ka kuch prashan hai to . . . boliye. Hamara jo prachar ka vishay hai, boliye baithiye. (Ask any questions if you have them. Our subject is preaching. Speak, sit down.) Detroit, I saw that bridge? There is barrier?

Indian man: Maharaja ji ek prashn hai. Yeh bhai America se aaye hain. To bhakit-bhav wale Hindustan ke andar itna mahan rishi hote hueye bhi yahan ki praja itni garib aur logon ke aage mangana padta hai, yeh karna padta hai baki us taraf teekh hai Bhagavan ke astitva mein yeh log mante hain lekin mans madira yeh sab hote huye bhi udhar bhautik cheezein inlogon ke paas jyada hain iska kuch khulasa ho sakega. Duniya ke andar dekha jaye to mere khayal mein vegetarianism mein sirf yeh Gujarat, Rajasthan aur yeh pura ilaka jo hai baki to 99.99% mans khane wale, madira peene wale hi hain hum dekhte hain. Phir bhi udhar inke paas amiri hai, chaand ke paas pahunchne ki bhi inke andar shakti hai. Hamara Hindustan itne maharishi hote huye bhi itna begging aur . . . (Mahārāja, there is one question. He has come from America. So in India there are such religious saints but why are people here so poor and beg from the people? This has to be done, otherwise that side is alright. They believe in the existence of God but with meat and intoxication, these people have access to material things. Can you throw some light on this? In the world, if you see things according to me—vegetarianism is present only in Gujrat, Rajasthan and this whole area, but the remaining 99.99% are meat eaters, drunkards—we see. Even though they are wealthy. They have the ability to go to the moon. In our India in spite of many saints, so much begging and . . .)

Prabhupāda: Chand pe pahunch kar apka kya poonch nikal gaya. Isko to batiye jo apka kya extra poonch nikala hai kya. (By landing on the moon, have you got a tail? Tell me if you have got an extra tail?)

Indian man: To siddhi to hui na. (But it is an achievement.)

Prabhupāda: Phir aapko kya fayda? Kya siddhi hui? Udhar jake thoda balu le aaye, yeh siddhi hui. crores of, millions of dollars spend karke aur udhar se le aye thoda sa balu , yeh siddhi hai kya, isko aap siddhi samajhte hain. (Then what is the advantage for you? What is the achievement? They went there and brought a little bit of sand, is this an achievement? Do you consider this an achievement?)

Indian man: Sukh-smapatti to hai Maharaj. (There is happiness, prosperity Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Ek to hamara kehte ho ki voh chand gaya hi nahi. Gaya bhi hoga to kya labh hoga? Bali yeh labh hua kya. Aap itna jo usko padha rahe hain, iska labh hua kya. Aisa kharch karo . . . (indistinct) . . . itna bada kitab aap likh sakenge. (On one hand, you say he did not go to the moon and even if he went, what is the gain? Sacrifice is the gain. How much are you educating him, is there gain? Spend in such a way . . . (indistinct) . . . can you write such a big book?)

Indian man: Sukh-sampatti udhar hai na? (Is happiness and prosperity not there?)

Prabhupāda: Nahi sukh-sampatti to aap ko maloom nahi hai. Sukh-sampatti hote huye bhi voh pul se gir ke marta hai usko rok nahi pata hai. Apko maloom nahi hai kya sukh-sampatti hai. Udhar abhi. (No, you don't know happiness and prosperity. In spite of having happiness and prosperity, he falls from the bridge and dies—nobody tries to stop him. You don't know what is happiness and prosperity. Now there.) Detroit, I saw that bridge? There is barrier?

Brahmānanda: Oh, yes. Er . . .

Prabhupāda: San Diego.

Brahmānanda: San Diego.

Prabhupāda: San Diego. Abhi San Diego hamne dekha ek bridge hai usko sab rookavat kiya hai. Hum poocha kya baat hai. Bola nahi idhar se aadmi mar jaata hai. (Now I saw San Diego, there people had stopped traffic on the bridge. I asked "What is the matter?" They said people commit suicide and die here.) Or I saw the Berkeley also, that tower?

Brahmānanda: Glass is there.

Prabhupāda: Glass there. So bahut suicide karta hai suicide. Itna unko sampatti hote huye bhi voh kyon suicide karta hai. Usko koi suicide se rokna paata hai. Kyon, kya baat hai boliye. (Lots of suicides happen, suicide. Even though they are so rich, why do they commit suicide? Can anyone stop them from commiting suicide? Why? What is the matter?)

Indian man: Kitne log suicide karte hain? (How many people commit suicide?)

Prabhupāda: Woh sabhi karne ko cahta hai jo desperate ho jata hai voh practically. Yeh baat hai, sabhi karne ke liye tayyar. Sabhi karne ke liye tayyar hai jo desperate ho jata hai woh practically karta hai, voh sukhi nahi hai aaplog jaise samajhta hai voh baat nahi hai. Isi liye to hippie ho raha hai. (All those who want to do that but those who are desperate, they practically do it. This is the fact, everyone is ready to do it. All those want to do it but those who are desperate they practically do it, he is not happy—it is not how you people understand. That is why they are becoming hippies.)

Indian man: Hindustan ke log jyada santosh rehta hai. (Indians are much happier.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi-nahi santosh to idhar bhi jyada raha yeh koi baat nahin hai. Yeh bhautik sukch jo aap log kehte hain, yeh bhautik sukh milne se hi sukhi ho jayenge yeh baat nahin hai. Yeh galat baat hai. (No, no. Here also there is happiness, this is not a fact. The material happiness, what do you think? Only by getting this material happiness can you be happy, this is not a fact. This is wrong.)

Indian man: Maharaj idhar to aisi daridrata garibi to nahi hai na? (Mahārāja, here there is no such poverty I think.)

Prabhupāda: Daridrata aaplog usko kara diya, na to idhar sikhaya na udhar sikhaya. Aap apna jo uska jo constitutional position hai usko aaplog sikhaya nahi. Yeh Bharatvarsh mein jyada aadmi jo hai voh agriculture par apna depend karta hai. Aaplog usko jabasdasti le aaye mill mein to isliye dukhi ho gaya. Isiliye Gandhiji ka program tha jo uske village mein hi rehne do. Chota to nahi gaya ab ek raat mein American hona chahta hai. Uska nature mein woh cheez hai. Jai baithiye. Isliye dukhi hota hai. Woh Gandhiji ka program lijiye village organisation usko wahi rehne dijiye woh udhar hi apna sabko palan karega. Khoob khaye-piye. Nahi hota to dikhate hain idhar aao 400 rupaya tankha dega aur jab 400 rupaya mila to usko sharab diya sab cheen liya kaise sukhi hoga. (You made them poor, otherwise he has this knowledge—not that. What is his constitutional position? You have not taught him that. In India most people depend on agriculture. You people forcibly brought him to the mill and he became unhappy. That is what Gandhiji's program was—whoever is in the village, let him stay there. When he was young he did not go, now he wants to become an American overnight. That is there in his nature. Jaya, sit down. That is why he is unhappy. Adopt the Gandhiji program, village organization. Let him stay there only. He will maintain his people there. Eat and be merry. If it is not possible, then they will call and give him 400 rupees salary and when he gets 400 rupees, then give him wine and snatch everything, how can he be happy?)

Indian man: Zamane ke sath-saath chalna padta hai na. (We have to move along with the times.)

Prabhupāda: Chalna padta hai to dukhi ho kaliyug mein dukhi hoga zamane ke saath. phir kyon bolta haike dukhi hai. zamane ke saath chalo. Tum jante nahi ki kis tarah se sukhi karna hoga to maro, usko kaun rok sakta hai. Tabhi to maloom hona chahiye ki kisko kis tarah se sukhi karna chahiye. Woh to tarika maloom nahi hai kaise sukhi hoga. (Move with the times but why be unhappy? In Kali-yuga he will be unhappy with the world. Then why do you say he is sad? Move with the times. You don't know how to be happy—then suffer, who can stop him. That is why you should know how to make one happy. You don't know that method, then how will you be happy?)

Kartikeya: Should we go back to the bullock cart age?

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Certainly. Then you will be sukhī. Tab dukhi rahenge. To phir kyon complain karta hai. Jaldi aap ke liye, woh bichari kya karegi usko to driver bana diya. Aap ko jaldi hai, usko jaldi nahi. Usko to kya naam hai ghoda-gadi hai uske liye sufficient. (Then you will be unhappy. So why do you complain? You are in a hurry, that poor girl, what will she do? You have made her a driver. You are in a hurry, but she is not. What is the name? Horse cart is sufficient for her.)

Indian man: Mahatma ji ye daihik sukh ki baatein puri ho gayi ab apne sukh ki baat kahiye. (Mahārāja, we have discussed about bodily comforts, now tell us about your comforts.)

Prabhupāda: To daihik sukh jo chahte hain usko shastra mein gadha bolte hain. 'sa eva go-kharah'. (One who aspires for bodily comforts, he is called an ass in the sastras. Sa-eva-go-kharah.)

yasyātma-buddhi-kuṇape tri-dhātuke

sva-dhiḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ

yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij

janeśv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ

(SB 10.84.13)

Jiska sharir naam me buddhi hai aur sharir ke sampark se bas bolta hai yeh hamara family hai, yeh hamara desh ka aadmi hai sahrir ke sath, yeh hamara desh hai woh Bhagavan ki seva chod diya desh ki seva. Matti hai to usko puja karna shuru kiya. Aur teerth jaate hain dikhane ke liye ki chalo ji Vrindavan mein aaye hain, yamuna mein snan kar le bas kaam khatam. Jo tirth mein jo bade-bade vigyan-sadhu hain unse kuch sampark. Woh tirth karne return ticket karke gaya aur snan kiya aur sab theek ho gaya. Is prakar ka jo vyakti hai 'sa eva go-kharaḥ' yeh gai aur gadh se kuch zada hota hai. Kya pharak padta hai ek kutta samjhta hai main kutta hoon aur ek aadmi hai main America gaya to kya pharak padta hai. Ek kutta apna himmat dikhata hai aur ek aadmi American Indian himmat dikhata hai sharir ka to usme kya pharak padta hai. Kutta se aadmi se pharak kya hota hai? Jo aadmi ko chahiye samajhna ki main ye sharir nahi hoon. Yeh gyan unko hone chahiye, Voh gyan to nahi deta school, college, university kahin bhi nahin hai. (One who has got intelligence in the body and with the contact of this body he says, "This is my family—this man belongs to my country, with the body "this is my country." They have left the service of the lord and saying service for the country. Yasyatma- buddhi-kunape-tri-dhatuke sva-dhiḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ. If intelligence is there he started worshipping it: yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile. They go on pilgrimage to show "Let's go to Vrindavan and bathe in the Yamuna—that's all, our business is over." Yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij, janeśv abhijñeṣu. In the pilgrimage he comes in contact with saints and he would have booked his return ticket for pilgrimage and he took a dip in Yamuna and everything is fine. In this way whoever the person is, is more worse than a cow or ass. What does it matter—a dog understands that he is a dog and a human being thinks he has visited America, what does it matter? A dog shows his strength and a person, American or Indian, shows his strength of body—so what difference does it make? What is the difference between a dog and a man? Man should understand that I am not this body. They should have this knowledge and this knowledge is not given by school, college, University, it's not there.)

Aur dekhiye Bhagavad-Gita to aap sab log padhe hue hain, (And look all of you have read Bhagavad-gītā,) This is the first instruction: dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā tathā dehāntara-prapti.

Itna sab Bhagavad-Gita padhne wala hai kisiko puchiye, usko explain kijiye, boliye aap log explain kijiye. Jab Arjun bahut vidya dikhaya samaan-samaan tark kiya phir dekha ki Bhagavan Krishna se tark karne se hamara koi labh nahi hai phir so bola 'shishasya' main aapka shishya ban jata hun. Humko sikhaiye. To pehli sikhaya "Asocyan anvasocas tvam prajna-vadams ca bhasase." jab bade-bade baatein karte ho taaki jo vishay mein sochna-karna nahi chahiye us vishay kyun sochate ho. Yeh pandit hota hai yeh sharir ke sampark mein chahe jeevit ho chahe mrt uske vishay mein koi sochne karne ka kuch nahi. Pehli deha budddhi mein hum pade hain khali sharir ko aaram milta hai and iske jaise tum baaat-cheet karte ho. Sanatan Goswami woh minister the. To voh jab Chiatanya Mahaprabhu ke pas aaya to pehle unka prashna tha ki Mahārāja humko sabkoi bolte hain pandit aur main bhi maan leta hoon pandit. Baki main aise pandit hai jo main kya hai yeh nahi janta. Hum yeh sharir hai ke sharir chodke aur kuch hai yehi jaankari aise pandit hai. Ab dekhiye 100% aaj-kal ka jo vidwan so-called BSc MSc ki tum hai kaun, kya batate ho, yeh sab pandit hai aur yeh pandit se aaplog society chaalo kartey hain. Isliye shastra mein kaha hai. Yasyatma buddhi kunape tri dhatuke sa eva go-kharah. (So many people are there who have read Bhagavad-gītā, ask someone to explain it. When Arjuna showed off his knowledge and argued equally, he saw that debating with Kṛṣṇa would not benefit him so he said: "Sishasya. I will become your disciple, please teach me." So, He first taught: asocyan anvasocas tvam prajna-vadams ca bhasase. When you make big big statements, why should you think about matters which you should not think: gatāsūn-agatāsūnśh-cha nānuśhochanti paṇḍitā. It is a learned man who is in contact with the body, whether dead or alive, does not have to think or do anything about this. We are caught in this body and mind, and only the body gets the comfort—and you speak like this. Sanatana Goswami was a minister. When he met Caitanya Mahāprabhu, his first question was, "Mahārāja, everyone thinks I am a scholar and I also accept that I am a scholar. But I am a scholar who doesn't know 'what I am'." A scholar who does not know that I am this body or something other than this body. Now see a hundred percent of the modern scholars so-called BSc MSc—what do they say, who are you? They are all scholars and run the society. Therefore in the shastras it is said: yasyatma buddhi kunape tri dhatuke sa eva go-kharah.)

So how you can expect tranquility and peacefulness if the society is conducted by go-khara? This is the defect. Humlog ka yehi prachar ka vishay hai ki aaplog go-kharah nahi rahiye, vastvik manushya baniye, bus. Go-kharah rehne se to na aap ka upkaar na kisi ka upkar. Abhi jo Bhagavan Gita mein batay hai 'tatha dehantara praptih' yeh to nischit hai. Kyonki ek balak hai voh agar aisa keh de 'hum buddha nahi ho sakta' usko hona hi padega. (So this is our preaching matter, that don't remain go-kharah—become human beings, that's all. If you remain a go-kharah, it is neither to your benefit nor anyone. The Lord has said in the Bhagavad-gītā: tatha dehantara praptih, this is certain. A child might say: "I don't want to become old," but he has to.) Dehin asmin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara. Jisko sharir dharan kiya hai voh kumar rehta hai phir yuvak hota hai phir vrddh hota hai, phir uska sharir palatna padta hai. (One who has accepted this body will become a boy, then youth, then becomes old—then his body has to change.) This is the rule, nature's law. And if it is a fact, it is a fact. You believe or not believe, that is a different thing. Baat to yehi hai, baki kaun sochta hain ki humko kya sharir dharan karna padega marne ke baad, koi sochta hai? To go-karah hua ki nahin. koi sochta nahin. (This is the fact, those who think, "What body do I have to accept next after death," does anyone think? So he is go-kharah, no one thinks.) Bade-bade professor, Moscow mein humne gaya tha Professor Kotovsky se baat-cheet hua, (Big, big professors. I went to Moscow and had a conversation with Professor Kotovsky,) "Swāmījī, after death, everything is finished." He said like that. And he is a big professor of Indology. India ka jo real philosophy hai atma-tattva usko gyan nahi hai aur voh Indology ka professsor. Yeh sab chal raha hai: sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13). (There is no knowledge of real philosophy of India. Self-realization and he is a professor of Indology. All this is going on: sa eva go-kharah (SB 10.84.13).) He is a professor. Thank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Indian man: Swamiji kai log punar janma mein mante bhi nahi hain. (Swamiji, most people do not even believe in rebirth.)

Prabhupāda: To gadha hai 'go-kharah. Yahi baat hai. To gadah koi bol de to usko manana padega. Yahi baat. Humlog ka prachar ka vishay yeh hai ab gadha nahi rahiye. (So he is an ass. This is the fact. If someone says he is an ass, he has to accept. This is the fact. This is the topic of our preaching, don't remain an ass anymore.)

Indian man: Swamijii kapda phat jaye to use phek denge. (Swamiji, if our clothes are torn we discard them.)

Prabhupāda: To usi ko to punar janma kaha gaya hai. Usi ka naam hua. 'Karmana daiva-netrena jantur dehopappataye'. (So that is called rebirth. That is described: karmana daiva-netrena jantur dehopappataye.)

Indian man: Bahut se aadmi yeh samjhte nahin hain . . . (A lot of people don't understand this . . .)

Prabhupāda: Bahut se aadmi ka bat chod dijiye, shastra ka bat kijiye. Kirtan se vo jo gadhapan hai voh choot jata hai. Woh, cheto-darpana marjanam. Humlog ka mushkil kya hai voh jo bhitar mein core of heart mein gadhapan usise se sab bhram hota hai. Usko agar clear kiya jaye to phir woh samajh jata hai. Isliye kirtan karne se woh gadhapan choot jata hai. Yahi kirtan ka prabhav hai. 'Ceto darpan marjanam bhava maha davagni nirvapanam'. Aur gadhapn chut jaane se jab voh sense mein aata hai to humko janm lena padta hai aur kaisa janm milega? kya hua yeh sab aur phir usko phir puanh-punah janam lena chahiye. (Leave about lot of people, talk about the sastras. With kirtan, that quality of an ass gets eradicated: ceto darpana marjanam. Our problem is that ass quality, which is in the core of our heart, that puts us in illusion. If that is cleared, then he understands. That is why by doing kirtana, the quality of being an ass is removed. This is the effect of kirtana: Ceto darpan marjanam bhava maha davagni nirvapanam (Sri Siksastakam Text 1). When he gets rid of the quality of an ass, and comes to his senses, then he has to take another birth. What body will we get? What happened to all this and then he has to take repeated births.)

Indian man: Ek prashna hai. Jaise kehte hain nark ke bad manushya janm prapt hota hai. Abhi sansar mein dekh rahe hain ki bahut jyada paap ho raha hai aur phir manushyon ki vriddhi ho rahi hai. (I have one question. Like it's said after going through hell, we get a human body. Now we are noticing that there are a lot of sins going on in this world and there is growth in the human population.)

Prabhupāda: To manushya hone se sab ek ho gaya kya? Manushya ko bhi to 'chaatur varnyam maya shristam guna karma vibhagasah' Brahman, kshatriya, viashya, sudra. to brahman kahan hota hai, sab to sudra chandal hota hai. To sudra chandal hone se koi labh hai? (So if one is born as a human, does everybody become one? Even for man: chaatur varnyam maya shristam guna karma vibhagasah. brahmana, kṣatriya, vaisya, sudra. So where is the brahmana? Everyone is sudra, chandala. So is there any gain from being a sudra or chandala?)

Indian man: Woh bhi paap ka phal hua. (That is also a result of our sins.)

Prabhupāda: Haan, brahmana hona chahiye. Brahman quality acquire karna chahiye, sama dama titiksha, satyam, saucam arjavam gyanam vigyanam astikyam, brahma-karma. Yeh hona chahiye. Tabhi perfection. Nahi yeh to practice kar sakte hain. (Yes, you must be a brahmana. You must acquire brahmanical qualities, sama dama titiksha, satyam, saucam arjavam gyanam vigyanam astikyam, brahma-karma, one must have these. Then only perfection. This can be practiced.)

Indian man: Gyan aur sakshatkar woh kirtan se hi hota hai. (Knowledge and realization can be achieved only through kirtan.)

Prabhupāda: Haan kirtan se hi hota hai. Sakshatkar, bhagvan to sab jagah mein hain, kewal aankh hona chahiye bhagavan ko dekhne ke liye. Yeh aankh ko saaf karna chahiye, nahi to Bhagwan to sab jagah hai. Jo kanisht adhikari hai usko ko abhi sab jaga darshan nahi hai isliye usko bola jata hai mandir mein bhagavan hai. Mandir mein bhi to bhagavan hai woh thik hai baki unka abhi sab jagah darshan karne ka aankh nahi hai. Isliye usko seemit kiya hai . Nahi to Bhagavan sab jagah: andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham. Woh jo dekhne wala hai voh paramanu mein bhi dekhega Bhagavan, jo dekhne wala. To aap to aisa expect nahi kar sakte hain ki sabhi ka aankh khul gaya. Stage hai. Isliye Brahman, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Sudra sabhi hai, sabhi ko chance dene ka hai: premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti. Jiska Bhagavat darshan hua, Bhagavat prem hua vo to 24 hours keval Bhagavan ko hi dekhta hai aur kuch dekhta hi nahi hai. But us stage mein jaane ke liye samaya chahiye. Jaldi se lump-jump karne se kuch laabh nahi hai. Sacchi nirdesh Bhagavad-Gita mein diya hai position kis tarah se aage badhna hai uska is tarah se charcha karni chahiye. Sunana chahiye. Bhagavan svay batate hain usko humlog padhte nahi, sunte nahin, charcha nahin karte aur idhar-udhar ka baat bolne se kya fayda. (Yes it happens only with kirtan. Realization, God is everywhere, you only must have the vision to see God. You must clean these eyes, otherwise God is everywhere. Those who are kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, they cannot see God everywhere—that is why he is being told that God is there in the temple. God is there in the temple, that is alright but he still does not have the vision to see God everywhere. That is why it's made limited. Otherwise God is there everywhere: andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham. One who wants to see God will see Him even in the atom. So you cannot expect that everyone's eyes are opened. There are stages. That is why a brahmana, kṣatriya, vaisya, sudra—everyone is there, everyone should get a chance. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti. So one who has had God-realization, attained love of Godhead, he sees only God 24 hours, he does not see anything else. But to get to that stage, you need time. If you just jump quickly, there is no use. The actual instruction is given in Bhagavad-gītā how to progress throught these stages. That has to be discussed like this . . . you must hear. God himself speaks it, but we don't read that, nor hear that, neither do we discuss that, then what is the use of talking about mundane matters?) Thank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Devotees: Jaya Prabhupāda.

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Prabhupāda:

harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam

kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā

(CC Adi 17.21)

Itna patit hai aadmi, voh aur sab process mein aayega. Voh sab idhar-udhar ho gaya. Aap baith ke kirtan kijiye dekhiye kya laabh. Aapko o Anubhav ho gaya. Abhi to solah naam hai Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, aur to koi nuksaan to nahi hai. Aap baith ke kijiye na, dekhiye. (Man is so fallen he will adopt all the other processes. He goes here and there to search for the truth. You sit down and do kirtana and see the benefits. You have experienced—now it is sixteen names: Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare—there is no loss. You all sit down and chant and see.) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.

Indian man: (indistinct Hindi) . . . 15-20 minute mein unko phone karoonga exactly kab aayenge. (In 15 to 20 minutes, I will call them up and find out when exactly they will come.)

Indian man: Itna sab samajhne ke baad maya se mukti kyo nahi. (After understanding so much, why is there no liberation?)

Prabhupāda: Samajhne ke baad maya choot jayegi. Samjha hai aur maya chootha nahi aisa nahin. Dawai kiya hai aur rog chootha nahi, aisa nahi. Yeh to dawai theek nahi liya. (After understanding, maya will go away. You have understood, and maya has not gone—this is not possible. If you have taken the medicine properly and the disease is not cured, this cannot be. This means you have not taken the medicine properly.)

Indian man: Bahut koshish kiya phir bhi choota nahi. (I tried a lot but was not able to get rid of it.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi koshish kya karoge, jaante nahin. Koshish karo jo jante hain unke under. Aisa nahin. (No, what will you try when you don't know? You must try under the guidance of someone who knows, not like this.) You cannot do anything. You cannot be educated at home. You must go to the teacher: jivasya tattva-jijnasa nartho yas ceha karmabhih. Manushya jivan ka ek matra lakshya hai tattva-jijnasa. Athato Brahm Jignasa. Yeh log to sab Chandra-lok mein gaya. Are kaam kya kiya batao. Sirf nuksan hi hua, itna karodo rupay kharch kiya aur thoda sab baloo le kar aaya. (Human being's single aim is God realization. Athato Brahm Jignasa. All these people went to the moon. What did they do? Only loss, they spent crores of rupees and brought back a little bit of sand. And they are being eulogized.)

Kartikeya: Now their own president is not free from danger. Every day shooting is going on . . . (indistinct) . . . (passerby chanting ślokas)

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (end)