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750210 - Morning Walk - Los Angeles

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

750210MW-LOS ANGELES - February 10, 1975 - 39:17 Minutes

Jayatīrtha: . . . he's in māyā. He doesn't feel that he'll be able to surrender to whatever instruction you give, so he doesn't want to appear before you.

Devotee: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . he doesn't want to become a cheater.

Jayatīrtha: Exactly.

Prabhupāda: (chuckles) That's all. Formerly . . .

Jayatīrtha: Just like that Sudāmā and Subala . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes. Not like that.

Jayatīrtha: . . . they came for instruction, but then, when you gave them instruction, they said, "No." So what was the use of their coming? That's his feeling.

Prabhupāda: Yes. No, in that way he's very sincere, I know. So what is there? I love him. Let him come. After all, he is my son. There is no harm. Let him come. (break)

Hṛdayānanda: (indistinct) . . . right here. Slow down, look at the sign.

Haṁsadūta: Oh, The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

Hṛdayānanda: See on the left there?

Haṁsadūta: It's in the front, too.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.

Devotee: Nice. They should have a big rotating sign on the top there. (break)

Rāmeśvara: . . . admire your books, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Sometimes they sit here and they pull books to examine the quality of the printing, and they always read the Back to Godhead magazine while they wait.

Prabhupāda: Harer nāma harer nāma . . . (CC Adi 17.21). Ah. Latest publication?

Haṁsadūta: Yes.

Rāmeśvara: Yes. The Back to Godhead printer frames these for us. He brings them over after every issue.

Prabhupāda: Oh. They are giving good service.

Rāmeśvara: They are very fond of us. They spend more time on our magazine than anyone else.

Prabhupāda: What is the picture?

Rāmeśvara: This is Sītā, the wife of Advaita Ācārya, receiving . . .

Prabhupāda: Oh, Lord Caitanya.

Rāmeśvara: . . . Lord Caitanya. It is in Ādi-līlā, Volume Three.

Prabhupāda: Who has painted?

Rāmeśvara: Jadurāṇī.

Prabhupāda: Jadurāṇī has got good talent. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (chuckles)

Rāmeśvara: This is the office where I work.

Prabhupāda: This is developed, photo.

Rāmeśvara: It is a drawing by a boy in New York named Peter Hawkins.

Prabhupāda: Drawing?

Rāmeśvara: A drawing.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Harer nāma harer nāma . . .

Rāmeśvara: (aside) Better shut that door . . . (indistinct) . . . we have two warehouses . . . (break) . . . to the wall and up to the ceiling.

Prabhupāda: So they are going, or simply stock?

Rāmeśvara: Oh, no. It is greatly reduced since they have arrived.

Prabhupāda: So Haṁsadūta, he has to make a godown like this.

Haṁsadūta: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Then he'll defeat these charges. Eh? When the nation, German nation, will accept these books, then that will be proper reply, charges.

Rāmeśvara: This forklift lifts these pallets high up to the ceiling.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Hṛdayānanda: Does Prabhupāda want to see how it works? Śrutaśravā, you can show him how it works? Quickly.

Rāmeśvara: These racks we purchased for storing the books that will be sent to the libraries and colleges. (engine starts) When Satsvarūpa Swami gets the orders, they are reserved over here, five hundred copies of each book, and then, when we run out, another five hundred copies goes in the rack. So that way, we always keep books. Even if we sell out, we always have books reserved for the libraries. Śrutaśravā manages our warehouse.

Hṛdayānanda: Make it go up.

Prabhupāda: I first saw this machine in the Commonwealth Pier, Boston. (machine moving around, crashing sound)

Jayatīrtha: Be careful. What are you doing, Śrutaśravā?

Rāmeśvara: Sometimes because of that roof you can't see what you're doing.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Rāmeśvara: So usually he's very careful.

Prabhupāda: Sometime they are breaking also. (laughter)

Rāmeśvara: So far, no accidents.

Kirtirāja: Just today.

Rāmeśvara: He's a little nervous. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: What is the rent?

Rāmeśvara: Eighteen hundred dollars each month for all the offices and the warehouse. It's considered a good price in this area. We have a speaker system, so during the day, while they work in the warehouse, they're always hearing your lectures.

Prabhupāda: Ācchā? (chuckles)

Rāmeśvara: This is the other warehouse.

Hṛdayānanda: Back to Godhead.

Prabhupāda: There is arrangement for fire?

Rāmeśvara: Yes. We have fire insurance and fire alarm. (aside) We have fire alarm?

Kirtirāja: Yeah.

Rāmeśvara: We have fire alarm. These are Kṛṣṇa trilogies.

Prabhupāda: All these? All these, stock?

Rāmeśvara: We always require large inventory because the temples order so fast. Bhagavad-gītās in this corner, and on this back wall here, all the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatams and Caitanya-caritāmṛta volumes. These books have just arrived from the printer.

Prabhupāda: Where is that Prajāpati? He's not here?

Kirtirāja: No, he's not here.

Prabhupāda: That play yesterday . . . last evening I saw, it was very nice.

Gurudāsa: Yes. They also did Pralambāsura for the guests.

Prabhupāda: No . . . now we have got Caitanya-caritāmṛta and Bhāgavatam. If such demonstration are done very nicely, it will be very much appreciated even by the public. We can collect some money.

Jayatīrtha: Yes. We plan on making a tour this summer all the way up the West Coast, and in the amphitheaters . . .

Prabhupāda: And in India also. Simply you have to change the language, dictate.

Jayatīrtha: Of the narration.

Gurudāsa: Yes. They're planning to do that.

Prabhupāda: Yes. In our festival let them come and show. What is this? That man? What is his name who showed Gaurāṅga līlā?

Gurudāsa: Yes, Harigovind.

Prabhupāda: It will be hundred times better than that.

Gurudāsa: Thousand times. Ten thousand, yes.

Prabhupāda: So show this nonsense that, "We can do better than you."

Gurudāsa: It's much more beautiful.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Jayatīrtha: They're coming to Māyāpur.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Gurudāsa: Yesterday at the Love Feast they did Pralambāsura, and the guests loved it. Wonderful.

Jayatīrtha: They applauded.

Prabhupāda: They must love it. It is very nice, very nice. Organize this very nicely. We have got so many boys and girls. They can play simply. And they haven't got to speak. This system is very nice. Let them play. What is this called, system?

Hṛdayānanda: Narration.

Prabhupāda: No, there is . . .

Jayatīrtha: Like pantomime.

Gurudāsa: Mime.

Prabhupāda: Even they play with, er, tape. Tape . . . tapes . . . the tape is going on, and then are playing.

Gurudāsa: Yes, they also do that sometimes. They have tapes.

Prabhupāda: Yes. So organize this, and all over the world this will be appreciated. And now we have got so many books. From the book you get subject matter and make a playwright in all languages. It will be very nice.

Gurudāsa: They have a repertoire of eight main ones, they have eight main ones that they can do, and now they're starting to do others also, from Caitanya-caritāmṛta, etc.

Prabhupāda: Yes. I think he is good director, Prajāpati.

Jayatīrtha: Yes. His wife is very expert also.

Prabhupāda: Oh. And also you can call . . . what is it? Jagad-dhita . . .? That Australian girl?

Gurudāsa: Oh, yes, Jagatāriṇī.

Prabhupāda: Jagatāriṇī.

Jayatīrtha: She can come here?

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. If she is . . . she is expert dancer. She was very popular actress before joining. Very, very popular actress. You know?

Viśākhā: I've heard the name, yes.

Prabhupāda: Yes. There was a newspaper, big, big . . . that, "This girl has given up everything, now has joined Kṛṣṇa."

Gurudāsa: Yesterday one professional skydiver, one who parachutes from a plane for money, I talked to her. She's joining the dance company. Yesterday. Thirty-four years old, professional parachuter woman, she is joining the dance company. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Our dance company?

Gurudāsa: Yes, our dance company. She saw the dance, and I preached to her. She's joining.

Viśākhā: We plan to make a motion picture of the Bhagavad-gītā dance that they do. My husband and I . . .

Prabhupāda: You can do it. Apply your American brain how to serve Kṛṣṇa. That is success.

idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito
(SB 1.5.22)

Whatever talent one has got . . . these talents are also acquired after austerity. It is not ordinary thing. So everything should be employed to describe Uttamaśloka, Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is Uttamaśloka. So we have got so many Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's pastime. We can overflood. Just like you can overflood with this literature, we can overflood . . . this is art. Art, music, everything we can utilize. In any way one is addicted—let him eat only, let him sing only, let him paint only, let him dance only—we have got everything. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Let him do business also. Yes. Engineering—construct temple. It is so all-perfect movement, Kṛṣṇa . . . that is Kṛṣṇa, all-attractive. Everyone can be attracted and give up everything. He will be attracted by Kṛṣṇa in such a way that he'll give up all nonsense. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. No more other . . . (indistinct) . . . anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (Brs. 1.1.11). All other attraction finished. Simply Kṛṣṇa. What are these?

Hṛdayānanda: Back to Godhead.

Prabhupāda: Oh, magazines.

Rāmeśvara: These boxes have come from the printer all ready to go to different countries, and they stamp the address on it. These are those newspapers you saw yesterday called Spiritual Revolution.

Prabhupāda: I think this Revolution is not very important. Make revolution with magazine, this Back to Godhead.

Rāmeśvara: Back to Godhead.

Prabhupāda: What are these?

Rāmeśvara: The Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Lord Caitanya in Five Features, that chapter that we printed.

Jayatīrtha: These are the ones that you wanted us to bring for distribution to the Māyāvādīs.

Prabhupāda: Yes, Māyāvādīs.

Rāmeśvara: Just before Christmas this wall was filled up, and now it is practically empty. We have sold so many books just in a few months. All up to the ceiling it was filled up. Now we have to reprint.

Prabhupāda: Now it is only in English language. In every language such big godown should . . . yes. (chuckles) You have taken Spanish, and he is German. Then . . . then overflood. No more other literature. (laughter) Ara nāhe bāpā. They will say: "No, no, we don't want any other literature." Yes, George says, "No more singing anything except Kṛṣṇa." Does he not say? He says like that.

Gurudāsa: Yes. Sometimes. (laughter)

Rāmeśvara: Sometimes.

Prabhupāda: I don't think . . . is he singing any other song? No?

Gurudāsa: Now he is not. He's going to Vṛndāvana next week.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Hṛdayānanda: . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: No I don't think so.

Prabhupāda: Vṛndāvana. Where he'll stay?

Gurudāsa: I wrote him a letter to stay with us, but he may stay in Mathurā. I'm not sure. I wrote him a letter to stay at our place.

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Rāmeśvara: We have enough space here to store all the Spanish books, because they are printed in Los Angeles, or in America.

Prabhupāda: That's all right.

Hṛdayānanda: Go through there Rāmeśvara?

Rāmeśvara: Maybe we should walk around again, too gramped.

Prabhupāda: I think no religious publisher have seen such big godown in their life, throughout the whole world. As soon as they will hear about religious book they immediately avoid it, especially the Communist country. And bring some Communist country man to show him that "You are trying to avoid God. Now see how we are preaching God."

Jayatīrtha: In one country, Communist country, Albania, they made it against the law to pray in public or in private. Anyone who is found praying in public or in private may be arrested.

Prabhupāda: Ācchā?

Jayatīrtha: Albania.

Rāmeśvara: It is East Europe.

Jayatīrtha: It is the first country . . .

Prabhupāda: Armenian country?

Jayatīrtha: Albania.

Prabhupāda: Albania, oh.

Rāmeśvara: It's in East Europe.

Prabhupāda: Just see how demons they are becoming. What is this room?

Hṛdayānanda: This leads into the other rooms.

Rāmeśvara: These are offices. The first office is where Kirtirāja works. He is managing the . . . all the distribution for the libraries and colleges. Satsvarūpa's party sends in the orders, and they process them from here. They handle all the business from this part of the warehouse.

Prabhupāda: What is this?

Hṛdayānanda: That's Māyāpur, Lord Caitanya's birthplace.

Gurudāsa: Yogapīṭha.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's family. Book Digest. They publish our books?

Kirtirāja: We are trying to arrange that now. All of these different . . . there are so many magazines we are trying to get our books listed in them. Śrīla Prabhupāda, here's, these are . . . magazine which one Christian press nearby has printed, very fancy magazine, and they were distributing it for free. They just recently printed a letter and then sent this. They have gone from this to this, because they cannot afford to do it anymore. No one is giving them donations anymore, so they've gone from big fancy magazine to a small paper, Plain Truth. This, people would like to see, but now this just looks like garbage. They won't even read it.

Prabhupāda: So it has degraded.

Kirtirāja: Yes. We have gone from this to fancy.

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is our catalog.

Kirtirāja: Yes, we are printing a new one now.

Prabhupāda: What are these?

Kirtirāja: Unfortunately, those are returns. When people don't want the books, then they return them.

Rāmeśvara: Very few returns.

Kirtirāja: Very few, though.

Prabhupāda: Never mind. That is not as strong.

Kirtirāja: Now we have about almost 125 standing orders for Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and about almost one hundred for Caitanya-caritāmṛta.

Prabhupāda: That's nice.

Rāmeśvara: We have just recently given Satsvarūpa a new car. So now he has four vans and a station wagon car.

Prabhupāda: Four vans?

Rāmeśvara: Four vans and one station wagon car, so he's able to cover so many universities very quickly.

Prabhupāda: Very nice.

Rāmeśvara: This is Hṛdayānanda Swami's office.

Prabhupāda: Oh, Spanish office.

Hṛdayānanda: These are the color pictures for our Bhāgavatam we are printing this week.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Masāla?

Gurudāsa: It's not spice.

Hṛdayānanda: That means "Beyond." Beyond Birth and Death. And that's the cover for our Bhāgavatam.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Gurudāsa: It is also spicy.

Rāmeśvara: It's very convenient for him to print here because he has all the credit from BBT, so the printers immediately want to do business with him.

Prabhupāda: That's it. Yes, businessman never invests his own money. He does business with others' money. That is business. Just like I am doing. (laughter) I brought only forty rupees. (laughs) That was also not spent. (laughter)

Rāmeśvara: This is our Golden Avatar studio where they record . . . they change your lectures into master tapes, which can then be duplicated at high speed, and this is a complete library of all of your lectures.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Rāmeśvara: We keep it very carefully. It's very important. They are cataloging it according to title of book, so if someone wants to see what Your Divine Grace has lectured on Bhagavad-gītā, they have one section on Bhagavad-gītā, and on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, First Canto . . .

Prabhupāda: They have got index book.

Rāmeśvara: Yes, they have index system.

Prabhupāda: Very good.

Rāmeśvara: In this room we make repairs on electrical equipment for Golden Avatar. We have one man who joined our movement, he was in the Navy. He was a sonar technician, and he became a devotee.

Prabhupāda: Where is Kṛṣṇānanda? What is . . .? What is his name?

Rāmeśvara: Kṛṣṇa-kānti.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Yes.

Rāmeśvara: Kṛṣṇa-kānti has moved to Santa Cruz. He has a house there. Navadvīpa Prabhu is now managing Golden Avatar.

Prabhupāda: He is technical.

Rāmeśvara: Yes. This is the man. His name is Robin.

Prabhupāda: He is . . .

Rāmeśvara: Very expert. And this is the duplicating machine. How fast can it make copies?

Robin: Three minutes.

Rāmeśvara: How many copies?

Robin: Four.

Rāmeśvara: It makes four copies on the cassette every three minutes.

Robin: Both sides.

Rāmeśvara: So we are mass-producing your lectures.

Prabhupāda: Less than a minute, one copy.

Hṛdayānanda: Yes, both sides.

Rāmeśvara: Sixty minute lecture in less than a minute.

Prabhupāda: Very nice.

Rāmeśvara: So there is a big, growing business of Golden Avatar. People, more people are ordering your lectures all the time, all over the world.

Prabhupāda: Now, other countries?

Rāmeśvara: All over the world. They have accounts in Australia, Europe, everywhere.

Hṛdayānanda: Did you show Prabhupāda the advertising?

Prabhupāda: Yad-uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam (SB 1.5.22). This is mission. Uttama-śloka-guṇanāvarṇanam.

Hṛdayānanda: These are the advertising.

Kirtirāja: We're advertising even by subscription. They can send in so much money, and every week they receive one or three tapes of Your Divine Grace's lectures. And there's kīrtanas . . .

Prabhupāda: American organization.

Rāmeśvara: They want very much to organize a radio show again, with lectures and kīrtana.

Prabhupāda: What is this? Q-tips?

Devotee: Cotton swabs.

Prabhupāda: Oh, I require a packet like this for my . . .

Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda wants it?

Hṛdayānanda: Prabhupāda, do you want these?

Prabhupāda: You can take it, yes. Prasādam. (laughter) Vaiṣṇava's prasādam. Chaḍīyā vaiṣṇava sevā, niṣṭhā payeche keba. You are all Vaiṣṇavas. Vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ (Padyāvalī 115). Eh?

Rāmeśvara: This is the mail order room, where all the orders that people send in for books, they are processed here. They manage that here. And Svarūpa, he is the secretary for the Society. In all your books it says, "If you want more information, write to the secretary." He answers all those letters.

Prabhupāda: How many letters you get?

Rāmeśvara: Svarūpa?

Svarūpa: Hundreds . . . maybe twenty-five letters . . . (indistinct)

Hṛdayānanda: Every day. How many per month about.

Rāmeśvara: And also he is encouraging them to become Life Members, and sometimes through the mail they send their Life Membership fee. This is our Mail Order shipping room.

Prabhupāda: I was doing when I was Dr. Bose's manager. Any inquiry coming from outside, I must continue correspondence with him unless he becomes a customer.

Rāmeśvara: Unless he becomes a customer.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That I was doing.

Rāmeśvara: There's one more room, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Rāmeśvara: This is where they ship all the mail orders.

Prabhupāda: Weighing.

Hṛdayānanda: That's for postage.

Rāmeśvara: We have our own postage machine. We don't have to go to a post office.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Rāmeśvara: It prints out stamps.

Prabhupāda: Even letters, packages?

Rāmeśvara: Yes, anything. So it's very efficient.

Prabhupāda: What is this?

Rāmeśvara: Sometimes people order incense along with their books. Very rarely. The mail order business is now doing $100,000 worth of business every year and is always growing. Last . . . it is almost doubled from last year.

Prabhupāda: Oh, you are printing these books?

Rāmeśvara: We are going to reprint them.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Rāmeśvara: 100,000 copies,

Hṛdayānanda: With a color cover.

Rāmeśvara: With a color cover.

Prabhupāda: Nice. This, this, very nice.

Rāmeśvara: That is the size for the new Bhagavad-gītā.

Prabhupāda: Yes. What is this?

Hṛdayānanda: These are oils. Every time . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: This dramatic party, so they should be sent all, in India. Yes.

Rāmeśvara: They are going on saṅkīrtana to collect their plane fare.

Prabhupāda: If there is deficiency, we can pay from Book Fund.

Rāmeśvara: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Yes. They must go with party.

Rāmeśvara: All right. I'll tell them that. Prabhupāda said if there's deficiency in funds that we'll pay from Book Fund to send them to India.

Jayatīrtha: Really? Oh, they'll be ecstatic.

Prabhupāda: Nice, well-equipped godown. Yes. So now make one godown in Germany.

Haṁsadūta: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Now there is no raining. We can walk?

Haṁsadūta: Yes, it's still raining.

Hṛdayānanda: Light rain. Little rain. They're not expecting Prabhupāda till 7:30. You'd better go to the temple and make sure they're prepared.

Rāmeśvara: They have your name on the building, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that's nice. (break)

(in car) They'll be inquisitive, "What is that book?" Don't say "This book." We have got so many books. Simply request, "Read one book from here." (break) . . . speaking to whom that there is no happiness in this material world, but if there is little happiness, that is in America.

Jayatīrtha: Yes. You told us that in Hawaii.

Prabhupāda: Eh? Oh.

Śrutakīrti: We were driving in a car in Hawaii. You mentioned that.

Prabhupāda: And that's a fact. There is no happiness. We are declaring, "That's all right, but if there is little happiness, that is in America." So you are favored by Kṛṣṇa. Utilize this favor of Kṛṣṇa in glorifying Kṛṣṇa. Then it is success. Avicyuto arthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito yad uttama-śloka. To become extraordinary in any branch of facilities, that requires austerities. So when one has acquired that, he should engage it for glorifying the Supreme. Yad-uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam (SB 1.5.22). (break) . . . with the bag. (break) . . . within the box.

Jayatīrtha: Yes. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . chance should be given during childhood, kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha (SB 7.6.1). This bhāgavata-dharma, that is our idea in gurukula. Learn Kṛṣṇa consciousness from the very beginning of childhood.

Jayatīrtha: Bahulāśva's son is only three years old, but he can chant that ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā . . . (CC Antya 20.12), chant very nicely.

Prabhupāda: Just see.

Jayatīrtha: And he chants also his rounds, couple of rounds every day.

Prabhupāda: And another child? Svarūpa-da? Yes . . .

Paramahaṁsa: Oh, Śiva-jvara.

Prabhupāda: Śiva-jvara. Oh, he's a wonderful child. He is English. He's so busy. He wants to do everything. Yes.

Paramahaṁsa: He was playing karatālas very nicely.

Prabhupāda: Not only that, he's a born devotee. He'll take the ārati lamp and do like this and try to open the door. Anything you . . . whatever he has seen others are doing, he'll do.

Paramahaṁsa: He was using the cāmara and the peacock fan.

Prabhupāda: And he chants also. He picks up the words.

Haṁsadūta: He's one of the happiest children I've ever seen.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Haṁsadūta: He's one of the happiest, jolliest-looking children I've ever seen.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Haṁsadūta: I think he's extraordinary.

Jayatīrtha: New Dvārakā is leading the society in child production.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice. But make them devotees. That is the real father and mother: who begets children and make him devotee. That is real father and mother. Otherwise, cats and dogs. A Tulasī dāsa, he has written one poetry that "A son and the urine comes from the same way." Son . . . Son means it is born out of the semina. That also comes through the genital, and the urine also comes through the genital. So he is giving this example that "Putra and mutra . . ." Mutra means urine, and putra means son " . . . comes from the same passage. So if the son is a devotee, then he's putra; otherwise he's mutra." (laughter) Otherwise he's urine. Very nice. Yes. Putra and mutra come from the same channel. If he's a devotee, then he's putra; otherwise he's mutra.

(break) . . . miseries are compared with the heat and cold. Mātrā sparśās tu kaunteya śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ (BG 2.14). Śīta and uṣṇa. Uṣṇa means hot, and śīta means cold. They are pleasing and miserable in circumstances. Cold is very pleasing in the summer, and heat is very pleasing in winter. But same heat in summer is not pleasing, and same cold in winter, it is not pleasing. So what is the actual position of cold and heat? It is simply transforming as pleasure and pain according to circumstances. Otherwise it is neither painful, neither pleasing. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma iva kevalam (CC Adi 17.21). (break) . . . has given me hundreds of such places, but His order is, "You cannot stay." (laughter) I'll tell you one humorous story in this connection. It is a little long; I don't wish to divert your attention. Very interesting story. That is also mentioned in the Bhagavad . . . aniketa. One may have many nice places to live; still, he should think that "I have no place to live." That is one of the spiritual item.

Haṁsadūta: What is that story, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Eh? (laughter) Story is that there was a joker—his name was Gopal Ban—of a king, Rāja Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇanagar, you know? Near Māyāpur? Yes, the king of that place. So they used to keep joker to please them by words. So the joker was constructing a new building. So it is almost finished, but there was no opening ceremony. So Rāja advised his . . . one of his another friends, that "If you can go and pass urine in that new house of Gopal—the joker's name—before the opening ceremony, then I'll give you so much prize. Go and pass urine there." (chuckles) So, "Yes, I'll do it." So . . . no, "Pass stool." Yes. "Go and pass stool there. Then I'll give you so much advance." So one day he made this plan. He was passing, and all of a sudden entered: "Gopal, I am very much called by nature. Kindly show me where I shall pass stool. Where I shall pass?" So Gopal was intelligent, that it is . . . there is some plan. "Yes, yes, here is lavatory. Come here." So he is . . . Everything was false. So then he said: "The door must be open. You pass stool there, but I'll see that you are passing stool, and door must be open." "Now, how it is possible?" "No, it is possible. You can pass stool, but you cannot pass urine. If you pass urine, then I shall kill you." Passing stool without passing urine, how it is possible? "So you have come to pass stool. That you can do here, but don't pass urine." (laughs) So that is my position. "You may have hundreds of places, but you cannot live anywhere." That is Kṛṣṇa's order. (break) . . . place not to become attached. Yes.

Paramahaṁsa: Just like Nārada Muni got that curse from Lord Brahmā.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Not Lord Brahmā; by Dakṣarāja, that "You cannot stay anywhere more than three minutes."

Paramahaṁsa: He is still doing that? Nārada Muni?

Prabhupāda: Yes. His business is preaching. So we have to become, every one of us, disciple of Nārada Muni. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) . . . American people are spending, and it is going to the American people, not outside. So it is not bad idea, distribution of money. Therefore America is so opulent. Nobody's miserly. Everyone is spending. Therefore the benefit is distributed. "I have got money, I am spending," so benefit is distributed.

Jayatīrtha: Now all the rich men in India have got all their money locked up.

Prabhupāda: Yes, locked up. (end)