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740328 - Morning Walk - Bombay

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

740328MW-BOMBAY - March 27, 1974 - 02:25 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . incidences are so described that anyone can remember. And by remembering these incidences, he becomes liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Indian man: One thing I want to know, you see, when He was Supreme God, why He created all these līlās? When . . . suppose He was sent . . .

Prabhupāda: What do you mean by Supreme God?

Indian man: Er, He was the Lord of universe. All the . . .

Prabhupāda: So He cannot do that?

Indian man: No, He can do it.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Indian man: That is . . . so He has done. But as He sent Uddhava to Vṛndāvana to know about condition of Vṛndāvana people, even He was God, He knew it, no?

Prabhupāda: No, that is affection.

Indian man: Hmm?

Prabhupāda: That is affection. Just like you go to your friend, you know what he is, still you ask, "How are, you are?"

Indian man: Yes.

Prabhupāda: This is natural.

Indian man: Then he'll answer. Very affection

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man: But He had also . . . when He was God, why He had some affection also like that?

Prabhupāda: Oh, that you must know.

Indian man: Māyā . . . I, I, I say to māyā.

Prabhupāda: No, it is not. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā has got the meaning of affection. Māyā means illusion; māyā means energy; māyā means affection. Just like we say māyā . . . cheler upor maya. (. . . affection for my son.) That is affection.

Indian man: Ha, cheler upor maya to affectioni. (Yes, affection for the child is also māyā.)

Prabhupāda: So māyā means affection.

Indian man: But when He was born, why should He have māyā? When He is the Supreme God, . . . o to maya theke mukto chilo to, tahole or mone maya ashlo keno? (. . . He was liberated from māyā, correct? Then how could He develop affection in His mind?)

Prabhupāda: Maya ashbena keno? Prothom kotha holo, maya ashbena keno? (Why cannot He develop affection? That is the first question, why can't He develop affection?) Can you control God? By your wording, He'll not be affected by māyā.

Indian man: No, that means I have . . .

Prabhupāda: That is God. That is God. He can do anything. He is not under your rules and regulation. Māyā . . . māyā . . . māyā means . . . māyā means . . . māyā mukta (Cc Madhya 24.136) means the illusion. When the māyā is illusion, you have to get you out it. But when the . . .

Indian man: But what is the differnce between the illusion and māyā?

Prabhupāda: Illusion is forced. But affection is not forced. When father loves child, that is not forced; that is reality. (break) (end)