720302 - Conversation with Lalita Prasad - Birnagar
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Lalitā Prasāda: Accha. (Well) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ekbare ghure asi, eibar sob thik thak hobe. (Everything will be alright once I return from this trip.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . ami ki raibo . . . (can I be rest assured?)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Hya niscintye. (Yes, yes surely.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . Amar boi dekhabo, hater lekha . . . ami dekhiye debo apnake (Will show you my book, written by hand . . . I will show you . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Kothay? Maa kothay? (Where's your mother?)
Boy: Maa prasad pacchen. (She's taking prasada.)
Prabhupāda: Prasad pacche. (Taking prasada?)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . ta, apni khub khusi hoben? (. . . so, you will be happy?)
Prabhupāda: Khub. (A lot.) So, Bhavānanda is sleeping in the car?
Śyāmasundara: Yes he is feeling sick.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Erakam, erakam onek . . . onek . . . (indistinct) . . . ache. (Like this, like this, there are many . . . many . . . (indistinct) . . . have.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, ta to thakbe. (Yes, that'll be there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Seiguno apni . . . ami yodi koredi, egulo tobe to purna brahman hobe. Pratijaner mangal hobe . . . bokar moto bole debo . . . (These things you . . . if I do that, then one will get full Brahman. Everyone will be blessed . . . I will say like a fool . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Boy: Dadu, apnar bichnar cadar din to . . . (Grandfather, give your bedcover . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda:Ki? (What?)
Boy: Bed coverta den, dekhiye dite hobe . . . (Please give me your bedcover, it has to be shown . . .)
1:49 - 1:55 (audio repeats)
Boy: Dadu, Your bed cover . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . oh, I see . . . what?
Boy: Show me which bed-cover . . .
Boy: Please give me your bed-cover, it have to be shown . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, accha. (Oh yes, oh yes . . .) (indistinct)
(indistinct background talk) (audio disruption)
Gurudas: . . . the United States. In 1938 cause Bhaktivinod Ṭhākura had said that he shouldn't go. He said I tried to disobey him.
(indistinct Bengali conversation) (break)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . Amra ekhon yacchi. (We are leaving now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni yaben kibhabe . . . (How can you go now . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Eikhanete . . . amar kache sob . . . onek sob meyera asche . . . (indistinct) . . . bari kinbo ar apni sob dekhasuna korben. (Over here there was . . . many girls come and join my movement . . . (indistinct) . . . will buy a house and you will look after all these.)
(conversation in the background) (break)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . kirtan . . . bari korle . . . (kirtana . . . built a house . . .)
Śyāmasundara: You just got started on this?
Jayapataka: (indistinct) . . . started already
Lady: Amader baro baro shiksha . . . (We had big big teaching sessions . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tumi ya shikhecho sob . . . (Whatever you've learned, everything . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Let's just finish.
Prabhupāda: Bhaktivinod Thakura sikshaoto eki. (Teachings of Bhaktivinoda Thakura are also the same . . .)
Lady: Tai, sei sob . . . (Yes, all that . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekta katha ache . . . (I have one thing to say . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Na bolleto hoy na . . . (It's not possible not to say it . . .)
Prabhupāda: What?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct whispers)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . natun shiksha, alocana korbo (. . . new teachings, we will discuss later.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Pore korbo . . . accha, tahole ami collum. (We'll discuss later . . . all right, I'll take leave . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) Ami dekhabo . . . boi gulo thik ache? (I will show you ok?)
Lady: Accha, dandavat. (All right, dandavat.)
Prabhupāda: Dandavat.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . dui din dhore ekhane thakben na? (Are you not going to stay here for two days?)
Prabhupāda: Eibar ese thakbo. (Next time when I will come, I will stay.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . apni nije . . . eka. Dui din . . . (. . . all by yourself . . . alone for two days . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lady: Bolchi, guru paramparar katha . . . bujhte parchen? (Regarding guru parampara . . . are you getting?)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lady: Oi bhaktara guru paramparar kathar bisaye sei bolche . . . (A devotee mentioned about guru parampara . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
(devotees talking)
Prabhupāda: Hya . . . (Yes . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: (whispers)
Prabhupāda: Hmm . . .
Lady: Ki ki abasta sei hoyeche, seigulo bolche, sob janen ei gulo bolche . . . (He's narrating our plight and the situation . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
(break) (indistinct talking)
Prabhupāda: Sob thik thak kora yabe na? (We can settle everything?)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oh. Seto amar yete hobe. Ar Bombay yodi asen tahole to khub bhalo hoy. Bombay aste parbena? Take ami kharca debo sob. (Oh. Then I have to leave. If he can come to Bombay, then that will be good. Can't he come to Bombay? I can take care of the expenses.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . na, na, tara onek kharca diye geche. (. . . no no, they have given sufficient money for expenses.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . asharamer lokera bahu kharca diye niye geche. (People from ashram. Given enough for expenses.)
Prabhupāda: Accha. (All right.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ar telegram karo Hrshikesh prabhuke . . . (and sent a telegram to Hrshikesh prabhu . . .)
Prabhupāda: Tar sange na dekha hole ki kore kaj hobe? (Unless I meet him, how will the work get done?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hobe kaj (It will get done . . .) (indistinct Bengali) . . .
Prabhupāda: Hya. Apni thakte . . . (Yes. While you are here . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Tahole take telegram kore anao na. (Why don't you send a telegram and get him to come here.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Boy: Eito or chuti furiye geche. (His leave is over.)
Prabhupāda: Huh.
Boy: Asbe. (That he will come . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Seto America, asbe kar theke . . . chuti . . . (He has a job . . . his leave is . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ami Kolkata te . . . khub jor aat tarikh abdi thakbo. Sei lok se er bhetare asbe? (I will be in Calcutta . . . maximum till the 8th. Will he be able to come by then?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Boy: Oi maser aat tarikh? (The 8th of next month?)
Prabhupāda: Na, ei maser. (No, this month.)
Boy: Oh. Hya, hya er modhye. (Oh. Yes, yes, within this . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ei maser mane . . . aj, March maser dosra to . . . (This month means . . . today, is the 2nd of March . . .)
Boy: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . accha, se yai koruk, ami to royechi ar Maharaj . . . bhayer ki ache? Ya hoy, kono cinta korbe na. Se ya bolbo tai korte hobe take. (All right, whatever he does, I am here and Mahārāja . . . what's to fear? Whatever will be, no need to worry. Whatever I will say, that he has to abide.)
Prabhupāda: Accha . . . (All right . . .) (indistinct)
Lady: . . . eikhane ei . . . ei . . . Uttam Thakurer mandir dekhechen? (Did you see the temple here built by Uttam Thakura?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Uni bolchen sono . . . (indistinct) . . . uni bolchen ye, dakshin ko . . . (indistinct) . . . purba kore . . . (indistinct) . . . pechane hoye yabe. (Listen to what he's saying . . . (indistinct) . . . he's saying that the south . . . (indistinct) . . . east sided . . . (indistinct) . . . that will be back side.)
Lady: Pub mukho mandirer mukh to . . . ta amader choto mandiroto purba mukha mandir royeche. (The temple is facing east . . . and our small temple is also east facing.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oito . . . (indistinct) . . . pase thaklei bhalo hoy . . . (That . . . (indistinct) . . . better if it stays beside . . .)
Prabhupāda: Pase thaklei bhalo hoy . . . (Better if it stays beside . . .)
Lady: Tahole uttar mukha hobe? (Then that will be north facing?)
Prabhupāda: Uttar mukha uni bolchen hoy na. (He's saying that it must not face north. That's not the standard.)
Lady: Uttar mukha konodin bari dite pare na . . . (A house is never should be north facing . . .)
Prabhupāda: Dakshin mukha hoy ar purba mukha hoy. (It must either face south or east.)
Lady: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole, oi jami jaygay, ami boli kon jaygay mandirer kono portion ber kore . . . (indistict) . . . choto . . . (indistinct) . . . apnara baro kore mandir korben. (Then the land, I am saying that some portion, in the temple some portion have to be demarcated . . . (indistinct) . . . the small one . . . (indistinct) . . . all of you will build a big temple.)
Prabhupāda: Na, na, ota baro mandire dhukiye dite hobe. (No, that has to be placed within the big temple.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lady: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Hya, sei. (Yes, That's right.)
Prabhupāda: Baro mandir yeta hobe. Bhaktivinod Thakur . . . (The big temple. That will be made. Is Bhaktivinoda Thakura's . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei paryanta kete, aro ucu kore . . . (By cutting this portion, by raising it more higher . . .)
Lady: (indistinct) . . . ami bolchi ye, Prabhuke taratari sange kore ene mapa mapi thik kore, sthan thik kore rakhen . . . (I'm saying that let Prabhu quickly decide and demarcate the land . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . dekhun, ami . . ami . . . (Look, I am . . . I'm . . .) (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Pukurta khub bhalo kore pariskar kore . . . (The pond also has to be cleansed properly . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na . . . (indistinct) . . . korito . . . (No . . . (indistinct) . . . all were done . . .)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . badh tairi kore nice abdi korechi, nongra hoye gele ami ki korbo? (. . . by making a dam, I have cleaned up to the bottom, if it gets dirty, what can I do?)
Prabhupāda: Oh, na . . . lokjon nai . . . lokjon to pahara . . . (Oh, that . . . there are no people . . . people need for guard . . .)
Lady: Lokjoner abhab . . . pariskar . . . (There's a dearth of help . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Pahara . . . hoye yabe . . . (Guard . . . will happen . . .)
Prabhupāda: Oita ekta bhalo park er moton kora hobe. (That will be made into a good park.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, kora yabe. Ar bolchi ye, khanik pore, amader eiye, ei jamir koler oi dikta. Decorate korun na bhalo kore. (Yes, that can be done. And what I'm saying is that after sometime, After this part of the land, on that side. Why don't you decorate it nicely.)
Prabhupāda: Sob, bhalo bagan, age park ar or bhitare mandir. (All these. A good garden, a park and the temple within these.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ar baki gulo cas-bas hok na. (And let there be farming in the rest of the land.)
Lady: Prabhu, pratham ye paisa pathiyechilen, tar jonyeto golap bagan korechilen . . . (Prabhu, when he first got money, he made a rose garden with that . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . panera hajar taka diye . . . (with fifteen thousand rupees . . .)
Lady: . . . (indistinct) . . . cole gelo, ar sob mali, barojan mali theke phul bagane jal dito, se sob mali paliye gelo. Ar to eisob drabya, mulya hoye gelo . . . (indistinct) . . . ar se paisar abhab hoye gelo . . . (they left, and the gardeners Twelve gardeners. who were watering the flowers garden, ran away. And then everything became very expensive . . . (indistinct) . . . and there was a shortage of money . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . lokjan ra nao, nijera korte hoy. (not with outside people, it has to be done on our own.)
Lady: Ar se malir abhabi pradhan. Ekhonto ekti jayga chilo, tao . . . (The main problem is a lack of a gardener. Earlier there was some space, that too . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Era yodi nijera keu, keu kaj karta, ati sundar gach tairi hoy tobe . . . (If they can do it by themselves then a beautiful plantation can be made but . . .)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Mali tali . . . kiram maine ney era? Malira? (How much salary do the gardeners take over here?)
Lady: Tin taka car ana daily nebe, eram abasta. Ekjan nebe ar . . . (Three rupees and twenty-five paisa daily, this is the situation. One person will take and . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Bhalo mali cai? Sattor taka, nabbai taka khaoa para diye. Erakam cay . . . (It works out for a good gardener to seventy rupees, ninety rupees per month with food. They demand like this . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Jayapataka: Baro mali esche. (Renowned gardeners are there.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Jayapataka: Kolkatar mali. (Gardeners from Calcutta.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: The labour charge is three to four rupees every day.
Lady: Eta sara phul bagan chilo. Foreigner sob golap, ki sundar sob phul, samasta . . . (All these here were flower gardens. Beautiful roses of foreign, also other beautiful flowers, all . . .)
Prabhupāda: Take ektu bolbe ye, "tomar ye dena ache diye dicche tumi aso". (Tell him that, "all your debt will be paid off, you come back".)
Acyutānanda: To pay off that gardeners debt.
Prabhupāda: Well I have already promised him to pay all his debts but he, he said yes but he did not come. I am prepared to pay whatever his debt.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . bujhte parcho? (Do you understand?)
Prabhupāda: Yodi tini amar gaye, amar sangei thakto, taholei to katha . . . (If he stays in my village with me, then I can talk . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . maai karabe. Maai karabe age . . . ei maa ke . . . maa kane yabe? Harinamo colbe abar edikeo (Mother will arrange to make it. Mother will arrange . . . mother . . . where mother will go? Harinama will also continue and on the other side . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Oiye society ta register korechilen to? (Did you register the society?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya . . (Yes . . .)
(indistinct conversation)
Prabhupāda: Kagajta ache to? (Are the papers there?)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . originalta nei, ar ki cai? Debo . . . (except the original, do you need anything else? Will give . . .)
(indistinct conversation)
Prabhupāda: Originalta dekha yabe to? (Can I see the original?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, original dekhato . . . (Yes, show him the original . . .)
Devotee: Konta? (Which one?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oiye . . . khamer modhye . . . (That . . . may be inside the envelope . . .)
Devotee: Baksa ta? (The box?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bakse ache? (Is it in the box?)
Devotee: Govinda jabe. (Govinda knows.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Namabi, amar kalke darkar . . . iye porbe, bar kore an. (Get those down, I need it tomorrow . . . he will read, take out and give.)
Devotee: Koi er modhye to? (Into this?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dakde na, Govinda ke dak de. (Call Him. Call Govinda.)
Devotee: Govinda Da. Edike asoto. (Govinda Da. (older brother) Please come here.)
Govinda: Han. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Amar iye ta de to Govinda . . . (Govinda please give me, my that . . .)
(Indistinct conversation)
Devotee: Cabi. Edike khola ache. (Key. Oh it's open from this side.)
Lady: Durga thakurer yerakam, yebhabe ache ei maper bhetarei karate hobe to? (Will it be done like the same size, of our Durga deity?)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . hya, otei . . . (yes, that's the one . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Govinda: Hmm, hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Pechane, sesh bhage, pechan dike. Pack kar. Ekbar dekhiye dicche, original ta, original ta . . . oi trunk te original ta. (Backside, at the end, backside. See. Will show you. The original, the original . . . the original one is in the trunk.)
(sound of trunk)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ami dekhlum, eta yodi amar niye rakhi . . . amar bhaipo sob oi rakam . . . sob . . . (indistinct) . . . khoka abar nasta korbe . . . ar . . . ar amar, badha diye . . . Hari-nam . . . boi chapay, badha diyeche . . . amake badha diyeche, aj ami ekti school khulte partum, amake tao badh diyeche . . . (indistinct) . . . jor kore beriye gelam . . . (indistinct) . . . ekhane oder kache thakle kicchu korte dilo na . . . (indistinct) . . . Hari-nam . . . (I thought that, if I keep with me . . . my nephew's, all like that . . . (indistinct) . . . will destroy all . . . and my, my . . . hindered . . . the Hari-nam . . . book printing, they have opposed . . . they have opposed me, now I could open a school, but they have opposed me . . . (indistinct) . . . forcefully I came out . . . (indistinct) . . . because they will not let me do anything if I stay with them . . . (indistinct) . . . Hari-nam . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
(break) (indistinct conversation)
Lalitā Prasāda: Pele na. (Haven't you got it.)
Prabhupāda: Don't keep there. There is tendency of falling down.
Śyāmasundara: I'll just wash my hands then I'll sit it nicely.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct Bengali conversation)
Devotee: . . . registration of company yar . . . (. . . registration of company . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, registration company. Eiye, eti. (Yes registration of company. Here, here it is.)
Devotee: . . . Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī.
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. Eta nakal na asol ta? (Yes. Is it a duplicate or the original one?)
Devotee: . . . registration.
Lalitā Prasāda: Eiye . . . (Here . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Devotee: Eta ki? (What is this?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Nao, emni khule niye yao. (Take this, open and take it off.) (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . goṣṭhī
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . gosthi holo, paribar . . . (what means by goṣṭhī, it is a family . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Hmm. Ah. Family.
Lalitā Prasāda: And who who will declare that . . . (indistinct) . . . a religious ceremony he will have Full power . . . he can do everything.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Śevite?
Śyāmasundara: These are the Śevite?
Lalitā Prasāda: Śrī Sevites.
Śyāmasundara: Śrī Sevites.
Lalitā Prasāda: Śevite has more importance than anybody . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Then there is the signature of the seven persons.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Śyāmasundara: Rules and regulations?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Śyāmasundara: . . . of Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī. Constitution. Constitution. This charitable religious literary association or society called Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī is constituted and composed of seven members. Some of them paying subscription annually, and others for life paying subscriptions at a time. Including the Śevite of the Ulla Śrī Bhaktivinode Dvāras Mandir in the municipal town of Birnagar in the district of Nadia, West Bengal and the goṣṭhīpati of the society. All of whom will form the mem . . .
Prabhupāda: Goṣṭhīpathi of the society . . . of Vṛndāvana? Gosthipati ke? (Who is goṣṭhīpati?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh? Gosthipati ami. (I am goṣṭhīpati.)
Śyāmasundara: He's goṣṭhīpati.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: All of whom will form the managing executive committee and governing body, and will be eligible to become office bearers and will hold posts as - 1. President and Vice president. 2. Secretary and joint or assistant secretaries. 3. Treasurer and 4. Librarian, oh no. 5. Treasurer and librarian. 6. Accountant. 7. Auditor. 8. Manager. 9. Goṣṭhīpathi. 10. Sevite and his assistants to perform seva and pūjā of deities at the said Mandir. And will hold any other post or posts which will be created afterwards by the committee as under the rules. Subscription of life member shall be annually 300 rupees at a time.
Lalitā Prasāda: Onader na bolle to, prastut hoy na. (If it's not specified, then they won't be ready.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm
Śyāmasundara: The subscription for ordinary member shall be rupees one per month or rupees 12 per annum.
Prabhupāda: 300 for whom?
Śyāmasundara: Life members.
Prabhupāda: Hmm, life members.
Śyāmasundara: At a time.
Prabhupāda: Tahole, Oh . . . (Then, Oh . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . kore diyechi ami, tarpor public korche . . . ye, ya hok yoga yog kora hoyeche . . . se asbe . . . ami yato din bece achi . . . (I have added, then the public is doing . . . somehow, in whatever way, they will communicate . . . and come . . . but 'till the time I am living . . .) (laughs) . . . (indistinct)
Amarto sob nasta kore diyeche . . . onek larai korechi ami. Amader ekhane nasta korbe? Ar na. (My everything they have spoiled . . . I fought a lot. Will spoil everything here at our place? Not any more.)
Śyāmasundara: These members will be solely and wholly in charge of the money.
Gurudas: Who?
Śyāmasundara: These members.
Lalitā Prasāda: Those are . . .
Śyāmasundara: Seven member.
Lalitā Prasāda: Technical constitution.Technical constitution.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Under laws of . . . (indistinct) . . . illegal.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Those are written according to the legal . . .
Śyāmasundara: Legal code?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Yeah. These, these seven members? . . . (indistinct) . . . says these members. That is the seven members? . . . (indistinct) . . . says these members. That is the seven members?
Lalitā Prasāda: Seven members regular members
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: They are always holding on this)
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: And others, the others, lot's of members. Thousand and thousand members . . . (indistinct) . . . account what has gone wrong? (laughs)
(indistinct Bengali)
Śyāmasundara: It sounds like our constitution.
Prabhupāda: It is the same.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhabo onake. (Will show him.) . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Na, daber jal. (No, water of green coconut.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Daber jal, khub bhalo lage. (Water of green coconut, that's good.)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . in my own mind . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: Ar debo? (Shall give more?)
Prabhupāda: Aro ache? (Is there more?)
Devotee: Hya. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Dao. (Give me.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Only challenge, who will be secretary? And who will be the . . . (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, eita hate lekha . . . (Oh, this is written by hand . . .) this is handwritten? We shall try . . . (indistinct)
Jayapataka: Yogapith kono katha ache? (Is there any writings on Yogapitha?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, yogapith rakhte cai ni. Yogapith . . . apnader Guru chilo . . . (No, did not want to keep a Yogapitha. Yogapitha . . . your Guru was there . . .)
Jayapataka: Sadananda Sukherkoli?
Lalitā Prasāda: Sadananda sukherkoli . . . (indistinct) . . . ekdike chilo bengal . . . (at one side was Bengal . . .) govt. . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . amar bhaira sob oirakam apni janen to, sob anya rakam . . . age oigulo nasta kore ditei byasta. Ta ami oderke tyag korbo . . . (indistinct) . . . keno tumi . . . oke . . . ami sune eichi (you know the type of my brothers, they are different . . . they were eager to spoil these first. When I decided to leave them . . . (indistinct) . . . why you will . . . him . . . I listen to all these) . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . sob amar pac hajar boi nasta kore diyeche . . . curi kore niye geche . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (have spoiled five thousand books . . . they took away by stealing.) Five thousand. Invaluable. Finished. We will never get those stocks in the library. Kept five thousand books . . . again I purchased . . . and locked there . . . (indistinct) . . . you take book and go out.
Śyāmasundara: Is library here?
Devotee: Yes. We purchased the . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: And, and . . . (indistinct) . . . amar lekhapara nasta korarbar jonya ora . . . ora ekdom . . . (to destroy my reading and writings they are . . .)
(Bengali conversation)
Prabhupāda: Amar mone hoy . . . ye, amader ye society ache . . . (I think . . . just as we have our society . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Ei bhabe . . . (Same way . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eki bhabe . . . (The same way . . .)
Prabhupāda: Eki bhabe . . . (Same way . . .)
Prabhupāda: To, apnader society amaderke . . . amader society ke, eta lease diye dik. (So, your society can give us, our society, a lease.) For development. Tahole, simple hoye yabe. Apnader ya management ache thak. Kintu ei jaygata, samasta develope korbar jonye, (Then, it will become simple. Let the management remain with you. But for the development of this place,) we hold the lease from you.
Lalitā Prasāda: For how many years? Legal limit ache. (There are legal limits.)
Prabhupāda: Legal limit, so 99 years.
Lalitā Prasāda: 99 years.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . kore den. Taholei sob amra arambha kore di. Apnader ya constitution thak. Amader constitution amader kache. Kintu eta lease, amra sob develop kori. Bas . . . (you do it. Then we can start. Let your constitution remain the same. We have our own constitution. Only on lease we will develop this place. That's all.) Simple fact.
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole amader member der deke, decision kora yak. (That means now we have to convene a meeting of the members and make a decision.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh? Eito? (That's what you mean to say?)
Prabhupāda: Kore. Bas. Amader ekta lease kore den, ar amra arambha kore di kaj. Kaj ar ki hobe, mandir tairi hobe, bagan tairi hobe, park tairi hobe. Eisob dash-panera jan ekhane thakbe. Apnader lok ache kirtan hobe . . . ei hobe, ar ki. (After doing that, that's all. You prepare the lease for us, and we can begin work. Then, the temple, garden and park can be built. Ten or fifteen people will come to stay here. You also have some people they will have kirtana . . . this is what will happen.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eito jinish . . . tai jonyeito hoyeche, naile onno kichur jonye hoyni to. (This place is there only for these things, not for anything else.)
Prabhupāda: Onya kichur jonye hoyni to? (Does this happen for anything else?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekhane kau ke dhukte dini, kono . . . (indistinct) . . . aste dini. (I haven't allowed anyone to come here, any . . . (indistinct) . . . I haven't allowed.)
Prabhupāda: Sutarang, (Therefore,) simple lease for so many years, with option to revive. Eram bhabe ekta khali lease kore den, bas hoye gelo. (Just make a lease like this, and it's done.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh? Ki bollen? (What did you say?)
Prabhupāda: Eram ekta lease kore den. (Please make a lease.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Bas, ato gift korte hobena. Gift korar darkar nei. (That's all, you don't have to gift. There's no need for gift.) We don't want proprietorship, you give us lease.
Lalitā Prasāda: Lease.
Prabhupāda: For 99 years. For development, that's all. Tarpore amra sob kore nebo. Amader lok thakbe, apnader lok thakbe, seva, puja hobe. (After that we will do everything. Your people will be there, and our people will be there to render service and worship.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Er er er . . . ekla, ei paryanta ya, ta ghot te thakuk . . . (Alone, let it remain 'till this . . .)
Prabhupāda: To thak. (Let it remain.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ar odik ya ache . . . (And on that side whatever is there . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya, odik ta, oidikta amader lease kore dao. (Yes, that side, just give us lease for that side.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Seram dharaner bod mais. (Here the boys are notorious.)
Prabhupāda: Eta apnader . . . (This thing of yours . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eiye amaro icche tai. (It's not my wish also.)
Prabhupāda: Thik. Eidikta apnader yeman ache thak, oi dikta amader diye din. (Very correct. Let this portion remain as it is, just give us that side.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole ami kore yabo, era . . . (I am doing all these, they . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Bas, bas . . . (All right, all right . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oidikta onek jami ache . . . oi . . oi kaj khana tumi karo. (On that side the quantity of land is more . . . that . . . on that side you start work.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, oidikta amra grahan korbo. (Yes, that side we will take.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole apni, ama . . . amar . . . amar mate . . . mat tai. (So you also have the same opinion.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tarikh asbe kobe. Lease kore dei. (When the date will come. Let me lease to you.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kartik babuke giye bal ge. Kartik babu parbe ki? (Tell this to Kartik babu. Can Kartik babu do this?)
Devotee: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Kartik babur to apnar sange dekha hoyni. (Kartik babu didn't meet with you yet.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Kartik babur sange dekha hoy ni. (Couldn't meet Kartik babu (Mr. Kartik). Kartik babu) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ek sange porechi college. (We study together at the same college.)
Prabhupāda: Tahole to amader college, Scottish te to amra porechi. (It's our college then, we studied at Scottish.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Subhas Bose age . . . iye te porto . . . Presidency . . . (Subhas Bose studied there, in his Presidency . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Subhas to amar bhai, choto bhai, Janaki kakar chele. (Subhas is my brother, younger brother, the son of Janaki uncle.)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: (laughs) Janakipada ar Haripada, dui bhai. Ar Balaram chilo . . . (Janki Pada and Hari Pada, they are two brothers. And Balaram was . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Janaki Babu ki apnader atmiya hoten? (Was Janaki Babu a relative to your family?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei Madan Mohan Dutta holo relative, Kolkatar sabceye baro chilen Madan Mohan Dutta. (Madan Mohan Dutta was relative of ours, Madan Mohan Dutta was a great personality of Kolkata) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Madan Mohan Dutta nam sunechi. (Yes I heard about Madan Mohan Dutta.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Madan Mohan Dutter . . . or nam (Madan Mohan Dutta's . . . his name . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: Tobe amar bhai hoy samparke, kaka (In relation they are my brother, uncle in fact . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Janaki Bose.
Lalitā Prasāda: Hmm, Janaki Bose . . .
Prabhupāda: Accha, Kartik Boser sange apnader . . . (Do you have any link with Kartik Bose . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kar? Kartik Boser sathe . . . (Who? With Kartik Bose . . .)
Prabhupāda: Dr. Kartik Bose . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, amader sange kono samparka nei. Ami kichu janine yodi kichu hoy, ami janine. Ami sob jani kintu se, amar jana kichu nei. (No, we don't have any relation with them. At least I don't know if there is any relation, I don't know. I have knowledge of all these, but I don't know anything about this.)
Prabhupāda: Ami Kartik Boser laboratorir manager chilam. (I used to work as a manager in Kartik Bose's laboratory.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni bolechilen . . . (You told . . .) (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Uni amar babar khub bisesh bandhu. (He (Kartik Bose) was a very special friend of my father.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Khub bha . . . Kartik Babu . . . amyao khub bhalobasten choto belay, ami yetam majhe majhe okhane. . . . (indistinct) . . . ar Khudiram Bose . . . (indistinct) . . . nam ke na jane. (Oh Kartik Babu . . . also loved me a lot in my childhood, I used to visit there occasionally . . . (indistinct) . . . Khudiram Bose, Kalindi Bose, they were known to people.)
Prabhupāda: Oi Janaki Bose, Kartik Boser kache asto. Orao oi Harinavi Bose. Ora. (Janaki Bose used to visit Kartik Bose. They are the Bose family of Harinavi. They are.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hari Ballabh Boser choto bhai chilo Roy Bahadur. Ora Cuttacke government trader. (His younger brother was Hari Ballabh Bose who was awarded Roy Bahadur. They were Govt Traders in Cuttack.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Janaki Bose pratham government booking . . . (Yes, Janaki Bose's first Govt. booking . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oderto Elgin Roade bari. (Their home is at Elgin Road.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Pare bolchi. Pare yog korchi ye, or Baruipure bari, Baruipur. (Will tell you later. They added it later that is, their home was at Baruipur, Baruipur.)
Prabhupāda: Oh, Baruipur.
Lalitā Prasāda: Baruipur . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Kartik Bosero bari Baruipur. (Kartik Bose's home was also at Baruipur.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Janaki . . . Janaki Boser kache giye ei kagaj gulon dekhiyechi, bollo ekhane rekhe dao ami kore debo. Manus . . . taka . . . (indistinct) . . . Ta o paisa nite gelo. (Once I had shown some of my work to Janaki Bose at his residence, he said ok you can leave it here, I will do rest of the things. Man . . . money . . . (indistinct) . . . so he went asking for money.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Paisa nite gelo. Ar ek dhamkani dadake . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs). Ta eisob gulo dadar bisaye bollen, amito chele manus, ami ha kore sunlum. (laughs). Ami sobar ceye choto. Takhano khub illegal kichu janina, apnake tai ektu bolchi ami esob katha. (Went to ask for money. And elder brother received chastisement . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs). My brother told me this. I was young then, I only listened silently. (laughs). As I was the youngest of all, I didn't have any idea regarding legal things, I am just casually saying all these things to you.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. Ar Allahabade oi Mittir ra chilo, seo apnader kuttumba. Karon Prabhupad Allahabade yakhan gechilen, amra se paichari kore, kore gappo kortam, Mittir der katha uni sob jijnes-tijnes korchilen. (Yes. The Mittirs of Allahabad, I think they are also somehow related to your family. Because when Prabhupada (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura) visited Allahabad, we used to talk while strolling, and he was also asking about the Mittir family.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sob, mane Kolkata sahare to amra chara keu chilo na . . . (Oh. I mean in Kolkata at that time there were not many people besides us . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Hatkholar Duttara to . . . (The Dutta's of Hatkhola . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni yodi . . . apnaro puron lok ami ekshani ber kore debo . . . (indistinct) . . . ar oi Ghosh Babu. (Now if you . . . I can show you the older residents than you . . . (indistinct) . . . and that Ghosh Babu.)
Prabhupāda: Kono rakame te, ekhon abar sob sangyog hoyeche. (Somehow or other now everyone got connected again.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami sob jani, ami giye Maitra da . . . aro bhabi, ke? kabe? Se mela din dekhinito, ke oi lokta? (I know all these, I went, Maitra da . . . I just think, who? When? As I have not seen them since long, who is this person? (laughs) (Ami besh bhabi. Apnar . . . (indistinct) . . . kothay thake? (I only think. Your . . . (indistinct) . . . where does he stay?)
Prabhupāda: Huh? Amader bari chelo Harrison roade. (Our home was at Harrison Road.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Harrison roade (Harrison Road) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oi ye Go . . . Gokul Gosvai chilo na? (That Gokul Gosvai was not?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, Gokul Gosvai. (Yes, Gokul Gosai.)
Prabhupāda: Oi paray. (In that locality.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, ar Biswa sahajagita korben . . . oi iye sarkar debe. Takhan ami choto chilem, or ceye choto. Sange, sange gelum . . . (indistinct) . . . onek lok chilo, segulo sob amake bhalobasto. (Yes, and Biswa will help us . . . Govt. will give. Then I was young, younger than him. So I go with him . . . (indistinct) . . . there were many people, all of them loved me.)
Prabhupāda: Ke na bhalobasbe apnake? (Who will not love you?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ayaa? (What?)
Prabhupāda: Ke apnake bhalobasbe na? (Who won't love you?)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . amake kato ador korto . . . (they used to care for me a lot . . .)
Prabhupāda: Dekhte bhalo. Choto chele, sabai bhalobase. (You are good looking. Youngest son, everyone loves naturally.) (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, uni yekhanei yeten, amake niye yeten . . . Bhaktivinod yekhanei yeten . . . (Actually, He used to take me with him wherever he would go . . . wherever Bhaktivinoda would go . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ami chelebelay khub dekhte bhalo chilen monei hocche, dekhei bojha yacche. (At your young age you were so good looking that anyone can understand by seeing you.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Amake sob jaygay niye yeto erom kore . . . (He used to take me everywhere, like this . . .)
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami ki . . . (Will I . . .)
Prabhupāda: Apnader sob bhairai sob dekhte bhalo. (All of your brothers are good looking.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Nam, dak chilo na kichu, Bhaktivinod Thakurer. (But didn't have any name, fame of Bhaktivinoda Thakura.)
Prabhupāda: Ei . . . ei Gosvai ti katdin royeche apnar kache? (How long this . . . this Gosvai (Vaisnava) is here with you?)
Lalitā Prasāda: O ajke aat bachor amar kache thake. Oh saat bachore . . . (He is here for about eight years. His seven years . . .)
Lady: Saat bachor bayose bari chere ache. (At the age of seven he came from home.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Saat bachor bayose or baba chere diye gelo eikhane. (His father left him here at the age of seven.)
Prabhupāda: Besh . . . besh calak chele. (Well . . . he is very clever boy.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, khub calak noy. (No, not that much clever.)
Prabhupāda: Khub calak noy? Boka? (Not that much? A bit foolish?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Brainta ektu defective ache. Amar kache theke khanikta hoyeche, kintu oi schoole yabar por abar . . . (His brain is a little defective. Some improvement happened after he stayed here with me, but once he began to go to school . . .)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . svikar korben na . . . (not going to accept it . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . abar kharap hoyeche, schoole yabar por kharap hoyeche. (again defective. After going to school he became defective.)
Lady: Or maa'r oi eki . . . (His mother also has the same problem . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: A khub byasta amader anbar janya. (He is very eager to bring us here.)
Lady: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Niscai. (Of course.)
Prabhupāda: Apni bolchen boka, kintu amaderke anbar janya o byasta. (You are saying he is a fool, but he is very eager to bring us.)
Lalitā Prasāda: O boka noy, ei samyandhe boka noy. (He is not a fool, at least not on these issues.)
Prabhupāda: A samyandhe khub calak? (Very clever on such matters.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, kebol schooler pora, masterder bolbe, kichukshon pore, repeat korbe bhule yabe, ar ei fail hoye yabe. (Only the studies of school, teachers will scold. When they ask him questions, he will forget and eventually will fail the exam.)
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Mane, Fokre Bhatcarjee, thaki Hatkhola, falanite atta-sota, bikrir name kac kala. (laughter) Ki tai naki? (Means all other aspects are fine but when it comes to the matter of study, he is like a green banana (very poor) (laughter) So, is it not the fact?) (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Falanite atta-sota, bikrr name kac kala. (Other aspects are good but in study, like a green banana.)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhun . . . ati choto bayase, oi Mayapur dvipe emon bhakti holo ye, Calcuttay ar yay ni. (See . . . in this young age, he got so much love for Māyāpur, for that he didn't return to Calcutta.)
Prabhupāda: Tato batei. (That's a fact.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bap maa esche. Yei bolecchi bap-maa esche, ek dor . . . ami kole kore niye giye jor . . . bichanay . . . jor kore bichanay bosiyechi . . . (Once his parents have come. As I told him that his parents have come, he ran away . . . I carried in lap and forcefully make him seat in the bed . . .) (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Or, Calcuttay or . . . Calcutta te khub influence or. (He has good influence in Calcutta. Very influential in Calcutta.)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Tahole . . . (Then . . .) now I require massages.
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole, kalke kakhan . . . (indistinct) . . . uni . . . uni apnader communicate korbe. (Then, tomorrow which time . . . (indistinct) . . . he . . . he will communicate with you.)
Śyāmasundara: Where would you like to take massage? In the sunshine?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Śyāmasundara: In the sun?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ki bollo? (What he said?)
Śyāmasundara: Massage. Prabhupāda will take massage.
Lalitā Prasāda: Nice ache, bosbe. Ei ye sofa, massage korbe? (This sofa is low in height, so will you massage here?)
Prabhupāda: A kore debe . . . (He will arrange . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bichanay kore di? (Should I arrange a bed?)
Prabhupāda: Thak bichanay na, madur pete dilei hobe. (Not in the bed, just lay a mat, it will be fine.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei roddure? Naki upare? (In the sunshine or upstairs?)
Boy: Upare debo? Upare? Na ghare? (Where will we lay it, upstairs or in the room?)
Prabhupāda: Opore keno, oi raddure. (Why upstairs, in the sun.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ghare? (In the room?)
Prabhupāda: Na, ei raddure. (No, in the sunshine.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei rode? (Here, in the Sun?)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Kasta hobe na? (Will it not be inconvenient?)
Prabhupāda: Beshi raddur ki? (Is the sunshine too bright here?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ar Kasta hole, baire aso. (If you feel discomfort then come back.)
Boy: Ghar khule dena. (I will open the room.)
Prabhupāda: Ektu raddurei bhalo. (It is better in the Sun.)
Lady: . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, gharer chader opr niye ya na. Chader opor niye gele baro bhalo hoto. (Take them on the terrace. It would have been better on the terrace.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Chader oporer ghar besh bhalo. (In the terrace room, there it would be good.)
Prabhupāda: Chade keno? Eito ekhane besh . . . (Why terrace, just here in this place is good . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ekhane ghaser opor besh naram hobe. (Here in the grass, it will be soft here.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Accha, bichana kore dao. (Okay, put a bed here.)
Prabhupāda: Na, ekta madur pete dilei hobe. (No, just a mat will be good.)
Lady: Hya, oitaito choto ache . . . pata chilo. (Yes, that's a little small . . . already arranged.)
Prabhupāda: Ar ektu sarser tel. (And a little mustard oil.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Very good that you are keeping in your . . . (laughs) I am very glad. Na, apni bacar age, yatadin iye kore protect thaka yay . . . (indistinct) . . . oi dike niye ya to. (Yes, as long as you can be kept alive and protected . . . (indistinct) . . . take to that side.)
Lady: Hya, oi Neem tala ta . . . (Yes, beneath that Neem tree . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei bolna. (Hey, tell him.)
Lady: Neem tala ta. (Below the Neem tree.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Khoka. Ei . . . ei khane dik. (Khoka. This . . . this side he can put.)
Lady: Na, na oi Neem tala khub bhalo hobe. (No, no . . . beneath the Neem tree will be good.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Neem tala? (Underneath the Neem tree?)
Lady: Garir pase, Neem gach tar kahe, alpo raddur to . . .) (Beside the car, the Neem tree, the sunshine is a little less there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Neem talay jabe? (Will it go beneath the Neem tree?)
Lady: Hya, ei Hari. (Yes, hey Hari.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhna Hari. (Hari just see.)
Lady: Gaborta sariye de to. (Clear the cow dung.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Neem talay rakh. (Keep it beneath the Neem tree.)
Lady: Neem talar gabor ta sariye dik, khub bhalo yayga. (Beneath the Neem tree, just clear the cow dung, it's a very good place.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Neem talar gabar sara. Oi khane mat pete de, Neem talai bhalo. (Clear the cow dung beneath the Neem tree. Lay this mat there, beneath the Neem tree is actually good.)
Prabhupāda: Ar ektu khani garam jal cai. (And a little bit of hot water is required.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Khule dilei holo, jal bhara ache. (Water is already stored, just open it.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, jal bharai ache . . . (Oh, water is stored . . .)
Prabhupāda: Oh, eite garam hoy? Tahole to kono kathai nei. (Oh, this way it will be hot? That's fine.)
Lady: Switch khule dilei hobe. (The switch is to be opened.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Switch off kore de hya. (Switch off. Please turn the switch off.)
Lady: Switch off.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Jal puro ache to? (The water is stored?)
Boy: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Buro manuser janya byabasta rakhi. (Keep facilities for old people.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, ami eikhane bolechi . . . (I have also told . . .)
Prabhupāda: You also take bath?
Devotees: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: Then, kothay . . . (where . . .)
Prabhupāda: Taken already.
Gurudāsa: No.
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhun, ei jaygay bollum . . . hatt. . . . gyan debe amake . . . (indistinct) . . . age mandire jal debo. Ekhon sei lokta . . . (indistinct) . . . choto kakar kache, se amar nam janta, oh oke age niye yan . . . (indistinct Bengali) (See, here I told . . . (indistinct) . . . first you go to the temple. Now that person . . . to my younger uncle, he knew my name . . .)
Gurudāsa: That bathing ghat by Bhaktivinode's . . .
Lady: Hya eikhane, Prabhu takhon aseni, ami pratham . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Yes here, Prabhu hasn't come 'till then, first I . . .)
Devotee: Yeah, I'll show you the temple.
Gurudāsa: All right.
Devotee: I'll just take you to the . . .
Lady: Ei Hari Das. (Hey Hari Das.)
Hari Das: Ki? (What?)
Lady: . . . (indistinct)
Gurudāsa: You know that I just did a round by the birth site. It was wonderful.
Devotee: Around of . . . (indistinct) . . . of beads
Gurudāsa: Beads. Now I'll do some film.
Lady: Chele gulon ki dustu, dekhechen? Chele gulo dustu kato phal curi kore niye palacche. (Have you seen, the naughty boys are running away after stealing fruits.)
Prabhupāda: Ki? (What?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Chelegulo palacche. (The boys are fleeing.)
Lady: Chola-tola jinis niye-tiye cole yacche. (Taking away chickpeas and other things.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Amar chola sob curi korche . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Stealing all my chickpeas . . .)
Lady: Takhane ekdin ei, hariken, hariken, ami takhan eka, voger thala eiram niye harikenta hater bhetar dharbar o lok nai, ami to dhore upare yabo, bhog niteo hobe. Rattire eram kore. Tarpore, teler control hoye gelo, kerosen ar mele na. To mombati jvaliye chi. Mombati ke niye haoay baisak-jaista mase upore otha yay? To ki korbo, se mombati ba-hate dhore thala, bhoger thala eram kore niye yacchi, se bari te bolar lok o nei. Chat kore majh khane sirite, alota nive . . . mombati ta nive gelo, se cokhe ekta jol . . . thakur ami ki kore tomar ei thala ami niye yai, thakur tumi alor byabasta karo, amra to sudra jiv ki kore korbo? Amar, amar emon divya cokshu nai ye, ami niye yai, tai bole sei sirir pore bhoger thala niye amar cokhe jal ese gelo. Thik tar pore Prabhu aslo ar chay maser bhetarei . . . (Then one day, this hariken (lantern), I will show you, taking the bhoga plate like this, taking the hariken inside the arm. No one available to hold, if someone could hold the lantern to go upstairs, to take the bhoga. Like this at night time. Then one day Govt. controlled the fuel supply, kerosene was out of stock. So light up the candle. But what is the use of a candle in the high wind of April to May evening. What to do, by holding the candle in the left hand and the plate of bhoga in the other hand, I was going, no-one was there to help. Then on the way in the stair the candle blew out. Tears came to my eyes, I said: "Oh my Lord how will I bring the bhoga plate to you now, please arrange for some light Lord. We are sudra jiva, how will I be able to do it? I don't have any divine vision that I can bring," while thinking like this, standing in the stair with the bhoga plate, tears came out from my eyes. The next year Prabhu came and within six months this . . .)
Prabhupāda: Electric.
Lady: Ei . . . ei, electric alo ese gelo . . . alor byabsta karo. Ta sei sange sange siri te alo deoa chilo, siri diye uthe . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Electric light came . . . arrange for light. There was some light in the stair, getting up the stair . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . be at home, bari. Kono lajja korben na, ya kichu lagbe bolben, tairi kore debo . . . (home. Don't feel shy, whatever you will ask anyone to do, they will do it.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya . . . lajja kiser? (Oh yes, we won't feel shy.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Be at home. . . be at home.
Śyāmasundara: BH . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Be at home.
Prabhupāda: Be at home.
Śyāmasundara: be at home. Oh. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: We're at home.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: We are at our father's house.
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, apnara ekhane korle . . . very good park hobe. Ar ek khana gari dhuke yabe. Mone karun ei gaye only two hours, jor kore calale . . . (indistinct) . . . dui ghantay Calcutta pauche yaben. (If you could do it here . . . that would be a very good park. And cars also can be parked. From this village it will take only two hours, if you drive the car very fast . . . (indistinct) . . . in two hours time you will reach Calcutta.)
Prabhupāda: Besh. (Well.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekjan thakla ki na boye gelo. (It does not matter if one stays here or not.)
Prabhupāda: Na, eikhane to amader antata dash jan lok thakbe, ar apnader lok ache. Anabarata utsab hobe, kirtan hobe, ei sob korbe. (Actually about ten of our people will be staying here, and your people are also there. There will be continuous festivals, kirtanas, all these will be.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Beshi lok theke gele . . . (If many people stay . . .)
Lady: . . . ei ye badmais chele gulor ki abasta. Oi dekho, rekhe abar asche. Ekshoni niye yabe, oi ye aat-dash ta, baro, baro atharo bayos, kuri bachorer chele gulo, ki atyacar kore . . . (just see the condition of these wicked boys. See, again they are coming. About eight to ten, grown up boys, eighteen to twenty years of age, they torture us a lot.)
Prabhupāda: Ki niye geche? (What did they take away?)
Lady: Pacta dab gacher, ekta yodi thakurer bhog dite dey, ei dab kine ante hoy. Erakam abasta. Chata narkel gacher, ei dui bachor-tin er modhye ektao thakur ke bhog dite dey na. (Amongst five of the coconut trees, we don't get even a single green coconut for offering bhoga to Lord, this green coconut we have to purchase, this is the condition. Six coconut trees there, within this two to three years not a single coconut we get to offer for bhoga to Lord.)
Prabhupāda: Sob, bhadra loker chele sob cor hoye yacche . . . (Boy is from decent family has become a thief . . .)
Lady: Ei sob, ar schooler chelera. (These are all, and some school boys are also there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sono, (Listen,) whole Bengal, whole.
Lady: Eikhane chola-mator lagiyechi, dekhen ardhek chola sesh kore niye geche, gacher okhane gelei faka-faka. Mator guloto sobi niye geche. Sei alpo duto thakbe, rattire saat tar samay hariken dhare ami, duto gach, se tule niye geche. Rakhena . . . curi kore niye geche. Eiram abasta. (We did some chickpeas and yellow split peas plantation here, half of the chickpeas plants have been taken away, the land became empty. The yellow split peas have taken it all. There were few left. I went there at 7:00 pm at night with a hariken in my hand, and found that they have taken away those also. They never leave something for us . . . they steal always. This is the condition.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Even a single, all bengal . . . (indistinct) . . . all are thieves, all are worse.
Lady: Ei bel, bel ache bhalo . . . T(his wood apple, good wood apple . . . )
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Ei upadrabta bandha kara yacche na kichutei . . . (indistinct) . . . bera bhenge dhuke, oi kore dey. (These disturbances could not be stopped in any way. . . . (indistinct) . . . by breaking the border fence, and do this.)
Prabhupāda: Sob yodi cor . . . thag bachte gao ujar. Tahole r ki kore ki hobe? (When everyone is a thief, you won't find an honest man in the village. Then how anything can happen.)
Lady: Eito muskil. (That's the problem.)
Lalitā Prasāda: O niye kichu bhab bar nei, beshi lok hole, ora bhoy peye yabe. Yodi dash-baro jan thake . . . (indistinct) . . . korlei ora paliye yabe. Cheler dal to . . . (No need to be worried, when there will be more people here, they will be afraid. When there will be ten to twelve people . . . (indistinct) . . . they will flee away. Just a group of young boys . . .)
Devotee: Ektake dhore ene, yodi rakha yay ghare, baki sob palie yabe. (If any one of them can be caught and kept hold in a room, the rest of them will run away.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami ekhone ekjon, dui-ekjonke dhore anba ye, ei dol theke . . . ar amake keu manena. Oi pas diye lukiye, lukiye yay. Ami, ki ye bale, ei bol curi korbi chele? 'Tobe ektu na hoy korechi, schoole gechi, school kore gechi, schooler kaj baniyechi'. Ajke school name eschis, kothay school toder? (If I caught one or two of them from this group . . . but no one cares about me. They go from that side by hiding. If I ask, "Hey child tell me will you steal again?" They answer, "What happens if we have stolen a little thing, but we went to school, finished the classes, done our all home tasks." You came in the name of school, where is your school?)
Prabhupāda: Kiser lekha para? Sob baje lekha para. (What education? All nonsense studies.)
Lady: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ar ekhoni shikhchena. (They are learning nothing.)
Prabhupāda: Cor, cor sob. (Thieves, all are thieves.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekebarei shikhchena. (Not learning at all.)
Prabhupāda: Cor, bodmais. Esob Hari bha . . . Hari bhajan na korle, Hari bhakti na kore hoyeche. (All thieves and rascals. When Hari bhajan and Hari bhakti are not done, all these things happen.)
Lady: Hya, erom hoy. (Yes, such things happen.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . . Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād guṇā (SB 5.18.12)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: There's a place under this . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: (reading newspaper) Ajker kagaje. (In today's newspaper.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: Today's paper.
Bengali devotee: Today's paper.
Devotee: Bengali?
Bengali devotee: Hya, Yes. You can't read.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei juta baire niye ya. (Take these shoes outside.)
Lady: Gamcha ki debo? (Should we give you a gamcha?)
Madan: Gamcha dao to. (Give me the gamcha.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh? Gamcha debo? Ei Madan. (Should we give you a gamchha? Hey Madan.)
Madan: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekta gamcha ber kore dao. (Please bring one gamcha and give it.)
Madan: Konta debo? (Which one to give?)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: Russia, France ar Britain. Bharat, Pak sarasari alocana cay. (Russia, France and Britain. Wants a direct dialogue between India and Pakistan.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dupakshi? (Bilateral?)
Bengali devotee: Dupakshi, hya dupakshi. (Bilateral, yes bilateral.) (break) A tide of discussion between India and Pakistan. Russia. Greece, France and Britain want.
Jayapataka: Narikel tyal ache? (Do you have coconut oil?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Narikel tel? (Coconut oil?)
Jayapataka: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. Ki ache maa . . . suneni. Maa, narkel tel. (Yes. Let me ask mother. Mother, coconut oil.)
Jayapataka: Narkal tel . . . (The coconut oil . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, asun, (aside) bati kore dao. Dhele dile na? Maa ke balo na. (No, now use from this bowl. (aside) Please pour it, ask mother.)
Bengali Devotee: Maa ke balo ekta bati . . . bati to chilo. Dekhi . . . (Ask mother to give a bowl . . . bowl was there. Let me check . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . .
Jayapataka: Ei jinish kothay rakhbo? (Where should we keep these things?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ki? (What?)
Boy: Dada, oder gharta khule de na. (Brother please open that room for them.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, ei ghar khule dao na. Eikhane, (Yes, open that room please. In that room,) nobody will go. You keep the key. You keep the key.
Lady: Ei ghar khule diye ay, khule diye ay . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Go and open the room) . . . (break)
Śyāmasundara: Ah?
Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun.
Śyāmasundara: Sun. You are out for sun also?
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, I am leaving.
Śyāmasundara: So you are leaving?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ah.
Śyāmasundara: Okay.
Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun . . . in the winter sun come, come . . . that way.
Śyāmasundara: So you will move over and sit here?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. I always sit . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Ah . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Lalitā Prasāda: That room.
Śyāmasundara: Eh?
Lalitā Prasāda: You're staying?
Lady: Oi roome. In that room.)
Śyāmasundara: We will sit there?
Lalitā Prasāda: Nah.
Bengali devotee: The room is.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . go with them.
Śyāmasundara: That's all right I don't need to go anywhere.
Lalitā Prasāda: You go, go with them.
Bengali Devotee: You come with me.
Lalitā Prasāda: There is another room.
Śyāmasundara: All right.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Śyāmasundara: Okay. (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Śyāmasundara: We want to walk.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . go there.
Śyāmasundara: Okay, all right.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Okay.
Lalitā Prasāda: A guest.
Śyāmasundara: We'll go see. Thank you. (break)
Prabhupāda: Ar Bhaktivinod Thakurer hater lekha asirbad (The handwriting of Bhaktivinoda Thakur, it's a blessing . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali).
Jayapataka: Hya, amio porchi. (Yes, I too am reading.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Jayapataka: Amio porchi. (I am also reading.)
Prabhupāda: Bhaktivinod eke ar oi amader Prabhupad ke khub bhalo basten. Ar ini choto chele, sneha ektu beshi hoy chotor opor. (Bhaktivinoda used to love our Prabhupada and him (Lalita Prasada) very much. And he is the youngest son, affection naturally grows more on the youngest.) (break) He looks like his father also.
Śyāmasundara: His mother appears very beautiful also in those photos.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Śyāmasundara: Shining face. That man is reading the newspaper to him. He will rest. Every day he gets all the news.
Prabhupāda: This is the system, old aristocratic.
Śyāmasundara: Ah.
Prabhupāda: Every old man should engage a man to read news.
Śyāmasundara: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Spread it.
Śyāmasundara: On the ground?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Watch the bottle. It will be dry within 10 minutes by the time I take my.
Yadubara: I shouldn't wring that should I?
Prabhupāda: No, simply make this. Here that's all spread. Spread it that is sufficient. Hari-nāma hari-nāma. It will be dry in 10 minutes. Yes he knows, that's it.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Yadubara: Easy way to iron.
Śyāmasundara: These are old temples?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Śyāmasundara: These are very old temples?
Prabhupāda: Yes. At least 200 years.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm. Always they have worshipped Viṣṇu in this temple? Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Formerly they used to worship goddess Kali.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, is that boy some relation?
Prabhupāda: No.
Śyāmasundara: Just a friend. Society. A good boy.
Prabhupāda: I have given him the suggestion the whole thing is solved in one minute. He also agrees.
Śyāmasundara: Lease.
Prabhupāda: Lease.
Śyāmasundara: 99 years.
Prabhupāda: That's it.
Śyāmasundara: Not for proprietorship for development.
Prabhupāda: What is the use of proprietorship?
Śyāmasundara: What do we care? (laughs) Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor.
Prabhupāda: 99 years, our life, your life, your grand . . . your son's life . . . we have to give some service so long the body is there, otherwise what shall I do with the property? Everything will remain here.
Śyāmasundara: He knows that you are in a position to develop it until some.
Prabhupāda: Yes, 99. So one bucket cold water and one bucket hot water and one soap.
Śyāmasundara: One hot and one cold . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: Bhavānanda is a good massager.
Śyāmasundara: Yes. How big is the property here? Does it extend around some distance?
Prabhupāda: 20 bigas.
Śyāmasundara: 20 bigas, oh that is large.
Gurudāsa: Has he agreed to your proposals Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: So we should get? Draw up some papers or?
Prabhupāda: He'll do it.
Śyāmasundara: He'll do it. Very nice. (laughs) So before you leave India.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: All these things finished.
(break) I was, I always used to dream that you would take us to these places. (laughs) (break)
Prabhupāda: So we require a few cars from America.
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Devotee: Jeeps.
Śyāmasundara: I think heavy Jeeps.
Prabhupāda: That is.
Śyāmasundara: Cars like that rough.
Devotee: Like UNICEF Jeeps.
Śyāmasundara: Or Land Rovers.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So if there is bathroom? No?
Śyāmasundara: Yes . . . and some more men also I think are required.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: (indistinct) . . . Hare Kṛṣṇa they'll all come out.
Gurudāsa: They won't come anyway.
(indistinct conversation)
Prabhupāda: In Jagannath Purī also. (break)
Devotee (2): In Jagannath Purī also.
Gurudāsa: Dvārkādīśa, where the boats.
Śyāmasundara: Where is Dvārakā dhāma.
Devotee: Dvārakā dhāma.
Gurudāsa: Dvārakā dhāma when we get some amphibious Kṛṣṇa conscious. Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . and was purchased by Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura at Rs.150.
Acyutānanda: All of it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: Per biga?
Prabhupāda: No, the whole plot.
Acyutānanda: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: That was 20 bigas.
Śyāmasundara: In Māyāpur that man from the Caitanya Math has bought . . . (indistinct)
Acyutānanda: That's about Rs.10. Less than Rs.10. (break)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . who had some excess money in hand. (break). After producing they want cash in their hand. The capitalist will take, hold it for some time naturally the price will increase and they will sell it. That system is still going on but it is very dangerously made.
People do not bring out the commodity they simply speculate, "I purchased from you, you purchase it from me," so the goods are there and transaction is going on. I sell to you, you sell to him, you sell so on and people do not get the goods. There is scarcity and it is lying somewhere and the speculation is going on.
Śyāmasundara: Somewhere else.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And because the goods are not coming the market is increasing, you see. This rogueism is going on and there are so many banks although I have no money. Suppose I want to purchase one lakh worth of grains. Somehow or other if I have Rs.20,000 the bank will give me 80,000.
So the market is increasing, I'm not selling and when it is to my full satisfaction I sell, I pay the banks money and take a large huge profit. This is going on, in every commodity. Things are not coming out it has become gold exchange. But they will sell just at the beginning of the next season.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise they will be put into knots. (break)
Śyāmasundara: No, no as long as you are here I'm not afraid.
Prabhupāda: Ah, the population has decreased.
Śyāmasundara: They have driven them away. Or killed them.
Prabhupāda: When there is . . . just like you do not go to the forest . . . (indistinct) . . . infested with many animals. Similarly they also do not come to the human society and the bigger population.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: This is the safe, bhayaṁ dvitīyābhiniveśataḥ syād (SB 11.2.37), for forgetting Kṛṣṇa all the living entities they are afraid of one another.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: That's all. They have forgotten that Kṛṣṇa is the centre he is our father. So there is no fear but that they have forgotten. Now, īśād apetasya viparyayo 'smṛtiḥ, they have forgotten that we are brothers. Therefore fight, we have got equal rights to enjoy the father's property but no, I am taking more you are starving, this is going on. Kṛṣṇa consciousness will solve all these questions.
If everyone has got the right to enjoy father's property why one should take more? This is the best idea of communism, these things are there in Bhāgavata. Bhāgavata says whatever there is in the sky, whatever there is on the land and whatever there is on the water they belong to the Supreme Lord. So every living entity has the right to enjoy it as it is allotted by the Lord. This is Bhāgavata's contribution.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm. In other words if a man is born a King he is allowed to enjoy like a King?
Prabhupāda: Yes King is to manage these affairs.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: That everything is property of God, you are all sons of God. So King's business is to see that nobody is encroaching upon other's property. Nobody is fighting and he equally distributes the produce, that is the King's duty. He has to see that whether brahmin's are executing their duty, kṣatriya's, vaiśyas according to our division, this is King's duty. To make him Kṛṣṇa conscious but King is simply interested with the tax. No education, so-called King, then King is finished, now the people have taken in the name of people's government but it is an oligarch.
It is for the interests of a few men and all of them rogues and thieves just like Gandhi started indigenous manufacture. Buy sell car, manufacturing one's own cloth, now that became a show and the government started big big factories owned by capitalists. So Britishers were taking one rupee and eight annas per pair and they are now taking twenty-one rupees eight annas. Twenty times increase, government does not say anything because they are getting tax in different ways, excise tax, sales tax, income tax and the tax is distributed amongst the government servants. People do not get any benefit.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: 20% from the tax collected, they distribute for the people's welfare and 80% they divided, divided by the governors, rastrapatis, secretaries and government servants—this is the position. One side the capitalist is exploiting and the government is taking tax from them and government means a few men they are enjoying, that's it. This is all over the world I can see, and they want that the people should be engaged in fighting in the name of nationalism and they will enjoy that's all.
They have no good idea for the betterment of the position of the citizens. What we are doing every government should have done it—Kṛṣṇa consciousness but the rascals they simply plunder the citizens and enjoy. Wine women and flesh—this is the position. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . there are mlecchas and taking the dress of the King, killing the whole world. (break).
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . foundation, foundation age, foundation korte khub beshi deri korte hobe na, ekhane ek khana foundation korlei building hote parbe, kintu America . . . ei iye . . . Mayapure amar bisvas nei. Kondin ki hobe sunle, uriye debe sob (first foundation, you shouldn't be late to make foundation, just foundation for a single story structure will be ok to make the building, but in Māyāpur I don't have faith. It's full of uncertainty, they will blow away everything . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Mahaprabhu yakhan sannyas niye chilen. (Mahāprabhu took sannyāsa then.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Mahaprabhur sannyaser chay bachor por . . . (Six years after Mahāprabhu took sannyāsa . . .) (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . tai, sholo bachor ar panera bachor, kato? Sholo ar panera diye ekatrish bachor, takhan Mahaprabhu dakshiner dik ghure esche, ekatrish bachore, abar Shantipur chilo . . . (indistinct Bengali) (so here sixteen years and fifteen years, how much, total thirty one years, then Mahāprabhu returned from his trip to south india, at thirty one year, that time from Shantipur . . .)
12 lakhs of Nadia and all under the . . . (indistinct) . . . and you are putting a temple on that land or nice, (below,) that is river bed. That's why I suggest. Below you, take the site, active site. Tar modhye theke bili korte hobe. (Even then also, you have to distribute from there.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . start by . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Amar, amar, amar ya experience ache. (Mine, mine, mine experience is like this.)
Prabhupāda: Otherwise there is meeting 4 o'clock?
Śyāmasundara: Not today.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Śyāmasundara: Not today tomorrow.
Prabhupāda: Not tomorrow. The press reporter?
Śyāmasundara: Oh is there a press meeting?
Gurudāsa: I don't know.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: Oh.
Prabhupāda: The press reporters from Navadvīpa will come.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Prabhupāda: After four. So we must reach there by five, it will take 2 ½ hours. So by half past two we must get out.
Lalitā Prasāda: Half past two to kam hoy, two er pore yaba yakhan darkar hoy. (Half past two is not sufficient, better to leave after two.)
Prabhupāda: Let us . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Damodarer prasad dile . . . ekhon to amra ready. (What about Damodar's prasādam, we are ready now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eito hoye yabe. (aside) Ya na ekhan theke, cole ya . . . (It's almost done. (aside) You go from here, go away . . .)
Śyāmasundara: So at about 2 o'clock I will begin working on the car and try to make that horn work.
Devotee: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Without horn, not possible?
Śyāmasundara: No, well we can do that again. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: What's wrong with that?
Śyāmasundara: It's dangerous.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bell, ringing a bell.
Śyāmasundara: Dinner plate.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Hanging bell Ghanta. (Gong.)
Śyāmasundara: No Prabhupāda's plate. You know plate? Brass plate.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Bell we use that.
Śyāmasundara: Oh Yeah (laughs).
Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Ding dong bell.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Gurudāsa: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Japa)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali) (break)
(Prabhupāda's recording Bengali conversation)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, Oh Hari Das . . . Oh Hari . . . Ki holo? (What's the status?)
Hari: Hya, baba hocche. (It's underway.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog utheche? (Has the bhoga offerings done?)
Hari: Hya, bhog uthbe ekhoni. (Yes, almost over. It will be taken out.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh Uthbe ekhoni. (All right. Oh will be taken out now. All right) . . . light lagche? Casma . . . (light is there, eyeglass . . .)
Prabhupāda: Na, casma na . . . (No, no eyeglass . . .) (break) na amar casma ache. (I have my eyeglass.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, taito bolchi. Dan coktay ekdom dekhte paina, ba cokta alpo. (Yes, that's what I am telling. Right eye has no vision, left eye has little.) Sideways, side view . . . kaj sere ni . . . (can do my work . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?
Lalitā Prasāda: All back.
Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?
Lalitā Prasāda: On, on that.
Śyāmasundara: Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: This side.
Śyāmasundara: Left side?
Lalitā Prasāda: Left side . . . (indistinct) . . . for me heavy.
Śyāmasundara: Ah. Ah . . . no eyeglasses?
Lalitā Prasāda: Eyeglasses. I do use, but this is of, onto. Coming cataract.
Śyāmasundara: Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Full of cataract.
Śyāmasundara: Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: See here, I can swap. This you can check. This side I can see.
Śyāmasundara: Ah . . . one eye is better than no. A one-eyed uncle is better than no uncle.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . this eye I had no view . . . (indistinct) . . . I want that operate. I want a doctor to test my eye. Well life is shortened that way. Life is shortened.
Devotees: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: If I operate and remove the cataract life will be shortened.
Gurudāsa: Oh yes, yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: The affect on the whole system.
Gurudāsa: Yes, yes that's a fact.
Lalitā Prasāda: And even if I live for 100 years you, you, you have to die 40 years ago, or before . . . (indistinct) . . . any operation lessens the longevity of life.
Gurudāsa: Yes yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: Longevity.
Gurudāsa: Longevity of life. Because then something else has to replace that . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Blood circulation stopped and there . . . (indistinct) . . . you are now young men When you will be old, you will understand the difficulty . . .
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: The . . . (indistinct) . . . strengths are diminished. Diminished.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm . . . but when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out?
Lalitā Prasāda: Beg your pardon?
Śyāmasundara: You said that when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out.
Lalitā Prasāda: Yes, yes, yes. On religious, I don't see any difficulty. A strength of joy up heaven. God sends His, I don't know. Amra ei bar, ei bangaly korechilam, ei ye banglay korechilam . . . onek . . . (indistinct) . . . ek ekjan bole amra diye yabo . . . amra diye yabo . . . (indistinct) (laughs) . . . lokgulo dustu. (Once we did the Bengali version of it, did it in Bengali . . . many . . . (indistinct) . . . people said we will return you back . . . will return you back . . . (indistinct) (laughs) . . . naughty people.) The very people who sing the name of God and know what is holy.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: They're servants of māyā.
Gurudāsa: Servants of māyā.
Lalitā Prasāda: The illusory energy, I call. Illusory energy. Illusion.
Gurudāsa: Yes illusion.
Lalitā Prasāda: Illusory energy is māyās shakti. Illusory energy. Have you bed? Bedding?
Śyāmasundara: Bedding? Yes they are in Māyāpur.
Lalitā Prasāda: In Māyāpur in the early morning.
Śyāmasundara: In our camp.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . another morning at Ganges.
(gong sounds)
Śyāmasundara: Yes we go bathing there.
Lalitā Prasāda: That was the original coast, 400 years ago, the original coast was . . . (indistinct) . . . jan-nagar straight to the north, up to . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Hmm . . . up to Gandhinagar.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . jan-nagar. And Ganga nagar it tries to, Took turn . . . and then it changed towards South. Towards East and then it goes a bit further, and that was the position which were once . . . 400 years ago, 500 years ago . . . (indistinct) . . . when Māyāpur was discovered again, Ṭhākura expressed. But again that stopped, the course have taken another way, by Ramchandrapur's other side, other end . . . (indistinct) . . . I have already written a small narratori how the Ganges shifted from one side to another . . . (indistinct) . . . about twenty miles Ganges shifted than there . . .
Śyāmasundara: Hmm. 20 miles?
Lalitā Prasāda: Bangladesh and Māyāpur. And there are 12 lakhs of people on the mainland where you are now building this thing.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm? 12 lakhs?
Lalitā Prasāda: 12 lakhs. Now . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Biggest temple in Bengal. We are rising.
Lalitā Prasāda: That will be.
Śyāmasundara: Yes. One of the biggest in India.
Lalitā Prasāda: And, that is declared.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Longest. Longest.
Śyāmasundara: Eh? Tallest.
Lalitā Prasāda: Longest.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: 200 feet in Bengal there is no higher than this. Jagannath temple near . . . (indistinct) . . . Jagannath Purī that is 108 feet high.
Śyāmasundara: 180?
Lalitā Prasāda: Twelve thousand, twelve thousand twenty eight, two hundred ten . . . (indistinct) . . . here, here in this picture.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: You know this?
Gurudāsa: Yes in Orissa.
Lalitā Prasāda: Orissa.
Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco California we have New Jagannath Purī.
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh yes.
Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco.
Lalitā Prasāda: At San Francisco.
Śyāmasundara: And we have every year a big Ratha-yātrā.
Lalitā Prasāda: Yes flyer I've seen.
Śyāmasundara: You've seen picture?
Lalitā Prasāda: I've seen a picture.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs) And in London also Ratha-yātrā.
Lalitā Prasāda: Very good. In London her Majesty should join the Ratha. I think there is a picture.
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . Candra eh?
Śyāmasundara: I think we have now six temples in England.
Lalitā Prasāda: Six?
Śyāmasundara: Six temples in England.
Lalitā Prasāda: One in eh?
Śyāmasundara: London, Birmingham.
Lalitā Prasāda: Birmingham.
Śyāmasundara: Manchester.
Lalitā Prasāda: Manchester.
Śyāmasundara: Cardiff.
Lalitā Prasāda: Cardiff.
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Gurudāsa: Edinburgh.
Śyāmasundara: Edinburgh.
Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh?
Śyāmasundara: Scotland and Dublin.
Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh, Dublin?
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, Ireland and Scotland.
Śyāmasundara: Yes Ireland and Scotland.
Lalitā Prasāda: Yes all right . . .
Gurudāsa: (sings along with kīrtana in background) bhaja bhakata-vatsala śrī-gaurahari.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. In London there are two classes of men. One . . . (indistinct) . . . in Ireland and another . . . (indistinct) . . . Irish in England?
Śyāmasundara: In London?
Lalitā Prasāda: London, no Ireland.
Śyāmasundara: Ireland. Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland is something independent?
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Not under the British rule?
Śyāmasundara: No. British have lost their rule everywhere.
Lalitā Prasāda: Yes everywhere yes Americans have . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Because they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness they will be saved, America.
Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?
Śyāmasundara: America is now taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness in America . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: New York?
Śyāmasundara: Everywhere. America is taking to this Hare Kṛṣṇa chanting.
Lalitā Prasāda: Simple.
Śyāmasundara: Simple.
Lalitā Prasāda: America . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: No. Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: In all the states?
Śyāmasundara: All the big cities.
Lalitā Prasāda: All the states?
Śyāmasundara: over 60 temples in America. Established by Prabhupāda.
Lalitā Prasāda: In the States, where the states? United States of America.
Śyāmasundara: Yes. Every big city, one big big temple.
Lalitā Prasāda: And everyday pūjā is done.
Śyāmasundara: Throughout the day.
Lalitā Prasāda: Worshiping done. Eh.
Śyāmasundara: All through, starting. Maṅgala-ārati starts 4 o'clock. maṅgala-ārati, maṅgala-ārati 4 o'clock.
Lalitā Prasāda: 4 o'clock.
Śyāmasundara: Morning.
Lalitā Prasāda: Morning.
Śyāmasundara: Going up to sundara-ārati 9 o'clock at night. And throughout the day at least 10, 12 ārati. 10 or 12 times, prasādam is offered, ārati.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog bhog.
Śyāmasundara: Bhog.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog. Oh, aloo bhajche? Bolna. (Hey, are they frying potatoes? Please tell me.)
Bengali Devotee: Hya, aloo bhajche. (Yes frying potatoes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Yan na, yan na apnara. (You all can now go there, please go) . . . you go, yan . . . (please go.)
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: You go, some of you go. Yan na. (Please go) . . . (indistinct) . . . opore, opore yan. (Upstairs, please go upstairs.)
Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Mṛdaṅga. Get mṛdaṅga there . . . (indistinct) . . . mrdanga bajabar lok kam. (Not many mṛdaṅga players today.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ajke mṛdaṅga bajanor lok kam. (Not many mṛdaṅga players today.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . kakhana kakhana dhile hoye yay. (Sometimes these get loosened.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, amader ekhane dheke ni. Tabe bajale khub bhalo, khub . . . (No, here we keep them covered. When they play, very good . . .) (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Bangladeshta baddo patan hoye geche. (Bangladesh has now degraded too much.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, ek bare, ek bare, ek bare. (Yes, very true, very true, very true.)
Prabhupāda: Ora rakshas hoye geche. (They have become like monsters.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sakale bole ami bhagavan . . . bhagavan kotha theke tumi . . . (indistinct) . . . bhagavan pabi kothyeke? . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Everybody says that I am God . . . how can you be God . . . (indistinct) . . . how will you get God . . .)
Śyāmasundara: You don't eat?
Lalitā Prasāda: By the grace of God. One may get some milk . . . (indistinct) . . . five years . . . they are bhaktas they can approach to Godhead. (indistinct) . . . (shouts) Ora ki korche? Ki korche? Son na. Ya, paliye ya. Ei . . . ei jalatan koris na. Bari ya. (laughs) Badarer dol. (What are they doing? What are they doing? Come here. Go, all get lost. Don't disturb us here. Go home. (laughs) All are monkeys.) They are like monkeys.
Śyāmasundara: Monkeys?
Lalitā Prasāda: These boys are like monkeys. (laughs) Ke Hari Das? Tariye diye ay na sob kota ke. (Is it Hari das? Just drive them all out.)
Hari das: Cole geche. (They have gone.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, lock diye cole ay . . . (indistinct) . . . ora sob khabe, bel khabe, kul khabe, e khabe . . . (Yes, you come inside and close the gate. They will eat all the fruits, they will eat wood-apple, berries, these and that . . .)
Prabhupāda: Am-tam hole sob niye yay ora? (Mango and other fruits they take all?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, oi am tole. Ami sei jonye am gulo bikr kore di . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Yes, eat mangoes. That's why we sell the mangoes . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ki sob lok hoye geche. (What people have become now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ta pore gelo amader kapal, oder yodi pore yay takhan amader loksan hobe, bhalo to hobe. Amra ki korbo . . . Raghaber jonye . . . (indistinct) . . . bajare . . . (indistinct) . . . Raghab sob jane . . . (indistinct) . . . amrai raksha korbo, apni byasta hoben na. Ami lok . . . lok lagiye raksha korbo . . . (indistinct) . . . am niye paliye yabe, kaca am niye . . . (indistinct) . . . hya sob karbo, kintu moteo sob kore na . . . (indistinct) . . . ki bolbo apnake, eikhane ek bachor hoyeche, ki abasta. Ami sudhu ei gram ti tairi korechi, Nagen babu cole yabar por dash bachor, amader hate chay bachor rakha chilo, ekti lok chilona ye raksha kore . . . (indistinct) . . . se amake jor eram kore haat dhore bolbe, apni age basun, ar ei chairman hon . . . (indistinct) . . . kore diye, bole apni ei raksha korun . . . (indistinct) . . . lok khepe gelo . . . dui hajar sai hoye gelo . . . (indistinct Bengali) (They said like that, now it's our luck. If taken like this, then we will suffer loss, otherwise it may be good. What can we do . . . for Raghab only . . . (indistinct) . . . in the market, Raghab knows it all . . . (indistinct) . . . said we will protect, you please don't worry. I will protect with my people . . . (indistinct) . . . they will flee with the unripe mangoes . . . (indistinct) . . . they say they will do, but actually they don't do all that is needed . . . (indistinct) . . . what to say to you, about the situation here since one year. I just helped to make this village, after leaving of Nagen babu, ten years back from today, six years we manage, no one was here to protect . . . (indistinct) . . . one day he caught my hand and said you please be the chairman . . . (indistinct) . . . after doing that, said now you protect this . . . people got agitated . . . two thousand signatures collected . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Dui hajar jan soi kore dile hoye gelo, municipality mitiye yak. (Two thousand signatures are done, let the municipality be dismantled.)
Prabhupāda: Ki mitiye debe? (What to dismantle?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Municipality.
Prabhupāda: Accha.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . municipality . . . (indistinct)
Lady: Bhaktader ke prasad debo? (Should we serve prasadam to the devotees now?)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (to Lady) Maa onra bolechen, amra dutor age cole yabo. Prasad peye ektu jiriye . . . (They are saying that before 2:00 pm they will leave. After taking Prasadam little rest . . .)
Lady: It's ready. Hoye geche to sob. Bhog uthe geche, ami pata ketechi. Oke bollam dhuye ene dite. (All are done. Offering bhoga is also done, I have cut the leaf, and ask him to wash.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . aj dekhen sei municipality royeche (. . . just see that the municipality is still there 'till this date.)
Prabhupāda: Amra prasad peye ni. (Let us take prasadam.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. Kato kasto korechi ei gulor jonya, onek kasto korechi ami. (Yes. I have taken a lot of trouble for that, a lot of trouble I have taken.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . let us go . . . call them.
Śyāmasundara: We are going now?
Prabhupāda: No. Then later.
Lalitā Prasāda: Accha, era dujon naki khaben na, phal khaben. (Came to know that two people will not take lunch, they will be taking fruit instead.) Who are two? You will not . . . take lunch?
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: Some, some of . . .
Śyāmasundara: Oh yes there is one boy he has jaundice. One boy.
Lalitā Prasāda: Take fruit juice?
Śyāmasundara: Only fruits, fruits, that's all. I think he takes.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . that is the difficulty.
Śyāmasundara: At this time of year?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. However whatever I got, I have done it.
Śyāmasundara: Ah. (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . you go.
Śyāmasundara: All right.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . break it, these are costly things very costly.
Śyāmasundara: About Rs.1000.
Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?
Śyāmasundara: Rs.1000
Lalitā Prasāda: 1000, oh. You can . . . (indistinct) . . . bad work there is.
Śyāmasundara: Eh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Bad work . . .
Śyāmasundara: Where?
Lalitā Prasāda: Bad work.
Śyāmasundara: Bad work.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bad work.
Śyāmasundara: Bad work.
Lalitā Prasāda: Work
Śyāmasundara: Ah. (referring to bad workmanship in the house and advising to beware)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . earn the money.
Śyāmasundara: Ah. But on good work, nothing. About one rupee.
Lalitā Prasāda: Take it . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: Onara upare gechen, upar theke neme tarpore . . . (They have gone upstairs, after coming down . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Oh, he will, I will. I would like to bring my wife and my child everybody in . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Everybody, who will be everybody?
Śyāmasundara: Well maybe? How long it takes by train to come here? How long by train to come here?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. Two hours.
Śyāmasundara: Two hours by train from Māyāpur, from Navadvīpa?
Lalitā Prasāda: Navadvīpa by train . . . (indistinct) . . . 20 minutes.
Śyāmasundara: 20 minutes?
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . is five minutes. 10 miles from this place.
Śyāmasundara: From here to Navadvīpa?
Lalitā Prasāda: Here to Kṛṣṇa-nagar. 10 miles.
Śyāmasundara: Kṛṣṇa-nagar? Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Kṛṣṇa-nagar. Kṛṣṇa-nagar to Māyāpur is 8 miles.
Śyāmasundara: (indistinct) . . . ah. I see in total 18 miles. Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . straight, Māyāpur.
Śyāmasundara: Okay. Yeah.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . not long distance . . . (indistinct) . . . you go to Kṛṣṇa-nagar, then you go to launch ghat, then you go to Māyāpur . . .
Śyāmasundara: So from here there is train direct to Kṛṣṇa-nagar.
Lalitā Prasāda: If you go . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Yeah straight.
Lalitā Prasāda: Straight, you make a straight line.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . Dako. (Call them.)
Bengali Devotee: Aschen, onara aahnik korchen, aste pabe na. (They will come, now they are doing prayers, can't come now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Onara bisram korben. (They will take rest.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ke? (Who?)
Bengali Devotee: Guru Mahārāja.
Lalitā Prasāda: Kothay? (Where?)
Bengali Devotee: Oi ghare. (In that room.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kon ghare? (Which room?)
Bengali Devotee: Parar ghare. (Reading room.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Parar ghare royeche? (Are they in the reading room now?)
Bengali Devotee: Na, kheye deye tarpor . . . (No, after taking lunch they will . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Prasad pacchen. (Having prasadam.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh?
Bengali Devotee: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Maharaj khacche? (Is Mahārāja eating?)
Bengali Devotee: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Okay we will go.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
(kīrtana in background)
(indistinct) . . . ei, shon na, oder niye ay, oder basiye de, khabar hoye geche . . . (indistinct) . . . bujhli . . . (hey, bring them, make them sit there, food is ready . . . (indistinct) . . . have you understood . . .)
Śyāmasundara: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Lalitā Prasāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct) . . . what you want somebody comes?
Śyāmasundara: Eh?
Lalitā Prasāda: You want . . . (indistinct) . . . comes?
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Apni . . . (indistinct) . . . bhijiye niye asi. (You will . . . (indistinct) . . . let me bring it after soaking.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Alpo kore niye ne, baire, bhijiye na, jal kharap hoye yabe, ekta mage kore niye dhuye dao, mage . . . mage dhuba, ek mag jal niye yaba, bujhle . . . (Take a little bit, outside, don't by putting it in the water, then water will become bad, take in a mug and wash it, mug . . . mug wash in the mug, go with a mug of water, understood . . .)
(indistinct Bengali conversation)
Bengali Devotee: Apnar khaoa hoye . . . onar khaoar age apnar khaoa hoye yabe . . . hm khub slow . . . (Your lunch will be over before him . . . hmm very slow . . .)
(indistinct Bengali conversation)
Bengali Devotee: Ei ye, apnar ei album theke onek photo kom kore dite hobe . . . mane album theke . . . (indistinct) . . . photographer. (Have to reduce some photos from your album . . . album . . . (indistinct) . . . photographer.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei . . . ei bengal, photo ta niye aso . . . ki likhbe? . . . (indistinct) . . . lekho. (Please bring the photo of Bengal . . . what will you write? . . . (indistinct) . . . write.) (break)
Gurudāsa: Passport?
Lalitā Prasāda: Passport . . . in all the world.
Gurudāsa: In what year?
Lalitā Prasāda: 38.
Gurudāsa: 38. Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: When I retired from service.
Gurudāsa: Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Just I asked my officer to give me a passport.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: It took me only five minutes.
Gurudāsa: Five minutes?
Lalitā Prasāda: Jawaharlal Nehru gave me a passport.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: He took 5 minutes, I offer you, six, there was six also to get passport and I only got it within two minutes, five minutes. The passport officer there assistant in charge, he was astonished, "How could he issue?" But you're officer is my officer.
Gurudāsa: (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Here find everywhere, oh. And he came . . . (indistinct) . . . to get the passport to a seat . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: Jaya.
Lalitā Prasāda: That passport is still with me. Little things . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't go very early.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: My health is permitting.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: I present you God's position (laughs) I got ill . . . sick.
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: So I haven't done that. Because my father that Bhaktivinoda told me, "You do not go out of India."
Gurudāsa: Oh he told you?
Lalitā Prasāda: Still I could go . . . (indistinct) . . . got the passport.
Gurudāsa: Oh still that is . . . then you got ill.
Lalitā Prasāda: Yes and his wish must be fulfilled. So I got a little.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: I couldn't move.
Gurudāsa: Haribol.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhaktivinoda Thakur's wish, how can I disobey?
Gurudāsa: Yes. Impossible.
Lalitā Prasāda: Though I tried to do it. But.
Gurudāsa: Impossible.
Lalitā Prasāda: And his wish is on him.
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: And they have come and brought you.
Gurudāsa: Yes, yes…
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . I rented, I rented just as . . . but (break) I rented, I rented . . . but in Bengali . . . Gurubandana . . . you don't do read Bengali otherwise I would have shown you . . . (indistinct)
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Lalitā Prasāda: He very glad to see me. Number of issues . . . ora ekta kagaj ber korto . . . (they used to publish one paper . . .) issue, issue, second issue . . .ar baki ekti, sob complete ache, oi padya gulo (. . . rest all have complete, that poetry.)
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bangla, bangla padya, bhalo laglo? (Bengali, Bengali poetry, did you like it?)
Prabhupāda: Besh sundar, ati sundar. (Very nice, excellent.) (break)
Lalitā Prasāda: Onek bachor kore, ar noy . . . ei ye Uniso tirish sale, ekattiris sale, bujhlen? (For many years . . . in those days from 1930 or 31, do you know?)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekattiris sale. (Of the year 1931.)
Prabhupāda: Ekattiris sal. Onek din age. (1931. Many days ago.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Baba bar korto, ei kagaj khan ber korto. Takhan, dada bolle . . . dekhun . . . bolle amar kshati hocche, mejh di ke bollen. Ami bollam, tumi yodi erokom korbe . . . ami ki korbo cup kore lukiye roilum . . . (indistinct) . . . amar kshati hocche. Ami kshati korchi? Dao bandha kore dao . . . (indistinct) . . . elo sob kagaj patra niye . . . ya kichu niye cole gelo. Oi sob rekhe diyeche. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . sobta dini, namtao railo . . . (indistinct) . . . ekhono korto, ami korchi na, pacjan sange nei bole. Ar ami ek bachor ber korechi. Oder noa da bolle, lobhe amar kshati korchi. Ami bollam, ami kshati korlam dadar? Ami bhalo katha bolchi loke . . . kshatita ki korlam? Na loke ar paisa debe na oke. Paisa to ami cai na, yodi kshati hoy, ami kshati korbo na. Paisa . . . ami kshati korbo na. Kaj bandha, noile kaj . . . ajke ami likhle kato jinish beroto . . . (Father used to publish this paper. Then . . . brother said that I am incurring loss, he said this to my middle sister. I said if you say like this . . . I silently hid myself . . . (indistinct) . . . I am incurring loss. Is it me who is causing this loss, then close it . . . . (indistinct) . . . then they came and took away all the papers and documents. All were kept. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . didn't give the ownership, the name is also retained . . . (indistinct) . . . not starting it now as I don't have any companion, because I have no people. I published it for one year. Noa da (one of the elder brothers) said to them that I am causing him monetary loss by my greed. I said, am I causing loss to my elder brother. I was telling good words but people . . . . what loss did I incurred? That no one will pay him again. I didn't want money . . . I will not make a loss. Money . . . will not make any loss. Work stopped, but if I could have been writing then many things could be published today.)
Prabhupāda: Ekhan oi amader sei Gosvami Maharaj din `kato caliyechen. (Now that Goswami Mahārāja ran for few days.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Yatai karun dekhun . . . thik yatai koruk, direct tar . . . Srila Bhaktivinod Thakurer mukh theke tar . . . (indistinct) . . . tar bhab bhangi, tar balbar iye . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhen ni. Ekhene . . . ei . . . oi saheb ra esechilo onno khub baro baro, chobi dui-ek khana chilo na. Sei number, saat numbere, ogulo . . . baki gulo korechi, tin bachor korechi. Ei sob bhanga, dekhun, eikhane sob bhanga kicchu nei, ei darja, jalna parjanta . . . (indistinct) . . . ekta darja chilo na, ekta kori chilo na. Kori kine ene pariyechi. (Whatever you may do, hearing directly from . . . Srila BhaktiVinoda Thakura's mouth of his . . . (indistinct) . . . his emotions and bodily postures . . . (indistinct) . . . you have not seen that. Here . . . in this place . . . once some great Britishers have come and one or two pictures of them were there. All those and the other seven I rescued, did it for three years there. All broken, see, all are broken here, nothing intact, from this door to windows . . . (indistinct) . . . not a single door was there, no frame. I bought and fitted it.)
Prabhupāda: Sob niye geche. (All taken away.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Egulo sob bhanga . . . (indistinct) . . . chad pore geche, ekhene du manus garta, ek manus du manus garta . . . (indistinct) . . . tarpor ekhene baro, baro gach chilo, sei gach guloke fello erom kore, oi . . . oi beray giye daram kore porlo. Bat gach, Asathya gach. (These are all broken . . . (indistinct) . . . the roof collapsed, here big holes with the depth of about one to two men height . . . (indistinct) . . . then there were big big trees, those trees removed like in this way that, those fall down with a sound over the wall. Banyan tree, Peepal tree.)
Prabhupāda: Eto baro gach. (Such big trees.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eto baro gach. Sei chobi . . . kothay ekhon ber korte parbo na . . . (indistinct) . . . ber kore rakhbo ek samay, dekhben kiram gach chilo oi gulo. Eguloy bahu taka kharca hoyeche, ei gulo uddhar korte, mandirke tairi korte. Ekta kac chilo na, kac ekhana chilo na, ekta jalna darja chilo na, sob fak, ekhaneo fak . . . (Such big trees. Picture . . . don't know where it is now . . . will find out sometime later, see yourself what type of trees were those. Huge amount of money spent to renovate and build the temple. Not a single piece of glass was there, nor door and windows, all open spaces here and there . . .)
Prabhupāda: Onekdin khali porechilo. (It was abandoned for many days.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Saat bachchar. Bagh thakto. (Seven years. Tigers used to stay.)
Prabhupāda: Bagh thakto. (Tigers used to stay.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, ami onek bachchar korechi, kintu parisodh deoar lok chilo na. Apni bolechilen dekhben, amar baro ananda hocchilo, apnara yodi korben didha nei . . . (indistinct) . . . sarthak holo . . . (I worked very hard, but no one was there to reciprocate. I was feeling very glad when you were telling what you see, if you do something here then I have no hesitation . . . (indistinct) . . . would be successful.)
Prabhupāda: Sotti, ar era sob dekhbe. (That's true, they will look after.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Era yodi bangla sikhe, tahole to hobe. (It will be very good if they can learn Bengali.)
Prabhupāda: Bangla sikhche, oi ye Acyutananda . . . (Learning Bengali, that Acyutananda . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Acyut khub sikhche. Acyut khub sikhche. (Acyut learned very nicely, Acyut learned very nicely.)
Prabhupāda: Give me water, cold water.
Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water. Oh. Hari Das. Hari. (Ah. Hari Das. Harii.)
Hari: Aschi. (Coming.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water dao, thanda jal. (Give cold water. Cold water.)
Śyāmasundara: Cold water?
Lalitā Prasāda: Onek din dhore, bujhlen, ami ki korbo? Ami boka lok, cup kore pore thaki, ami . . . (For many days, you see, for many days . . . what should I do, I am a foolish man, just remain seated silently, I . . .)
Prabhupāda: Oi . . . oi thik ache. Amaderke odik ta lease diye den . . . (That's appropriate. Just give us a lease for that side . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, apni jagater loker eto upokar korchen, ye ami r parlum na, ami khali dui-ek khan chele rekhechilam . . . (indistinct) . . . Bhaktivinoder katha uni sob guloi bole gelen, r baki yodi kichu thake amar mukhe sikhiyechen tai . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Yes, you are doing good for all the world, I couldn't refuse, I just kept two or three boys . . . (indistinct) . . . the teaching of Bhaktivinoda all were spread by him (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura), and remain part which were taught me, that . . .) taking notes (laugh) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . bollen tomader keu philosophy porbe. . . . (indistinct) . . . Stever . . . (indistinct) . . . amake dekhate parbe college? . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhalum . . . bollen . . . bollen nah, cheleta kichu sikheche bote, ta ei sampurna bangla ekhono bujhte pareni, kichu sikheche . . . (said who teaches you philosophy . . . (indistinct) . . . Steve . . . (indistinct) . . . will you show me once in the college . . . so I showed him . . . then he said the man has learned something for sure but complete Bengali will not yet understand, have learnt something) (laughs) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Edike kar photo eta? (Whose photo is this, here at this side?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ogulo amar photo, onek bachor ager, takhon choto chilam mota chilum. Dos bachor, egaro bachor ager . . . panero bachor ager kar photo. Tabe Bhaktivinod Thakurer chobi ei suit case rekhechi . . . (indistinct) . . . kalke . . . (It's my photo, many years ago, then my body was bulky. About ten-eleven or fifteen years, many years ago. But I kept Bhaktivinoda Tahkura's photo here in this suitcase . . . (indistinct) . . . tomorrow . . .)
Gurudāsa: You also photographed that portrait?
Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?
Gurudāsa: You also photographed that portrait?
Lalitā Prasāda: Fo . . .?
Gurudāsa: That famous photo.
Lalitā Prasāda: Photo?
Gurudāsa: You photograph that one?
Lalitā Prasāda: You like photography?
Gurudāsa: Acha, that one is famous all around the world.
Lalitā Prasāda: All over the world.
Gurudāsa: All over the world.
Lalitā Prasāda: That photo was framed by me, originally. You saw in the album?
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Lalitā Prasāda: That was very photo.
Gurudāsa: But this one especially.
Yadubara: He has that on the album also.
Gurudāsa: It is very famous . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Tinte camera enechilo bidesh theke. Ekta nilo Pradyutma, ar ekta nilo iye . . . Kasim Alir chele. (Received three cameras from foreign. One taken by Pradyutma, another taken by the son of . . . the son of Kasim Ali.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Lalitā Prasāda: Tinte photographer . . . (indistinct) . . . ekta nile Pradyutma, ekta Kasim Alir chele, Mahindra . . . chele ekta kinle, ar ami ekta kinlum . . . (indistinct) . . . khub first class . . . (indistinct) . . . r sei camera diye onek gulo chobi tulechilum. (Three photographers . . . (indistinct) . . . Pradyutma took one, the son of Kasim Ali, Mahindra . . . son got one, and I got one . . . (indistinct) . . . very good, first class . . . with that camera I took many pictures.)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Gurudāsa: You can ask Prabhupāda . . . (indistinct)
Yadubara: Prabhupāda?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . yato Kolkatar bhadralok chilo, sob ami . . . (indistinct) . . . niye gechilam, ye baba colegelen, ei amar dada achen . . . (indistinct) . . . collis taka kore bari bhara korlum oi Halsibagane . . . (indistinct) . . . Mayapur theke . . . (indistinct) . . . kole bose . . . (indistinct) . . . gari kore kore loker . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . whoever notable gentleman was there at Kolkata, everyone came . . . (indistinct) . . . took him, father passed away, my elder brother is here . . . (indistinct) . . . rented a house for 40 rupees at Halsibagan. From Māyāpur . . . (indistinct) . . . by sitting on lap . . . (indistinct) . . . everyday people used to take him by their car . . .)
Prabhupāda: Oi Mayapure? (At Māyāpur?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, ei Calcuttay, niye giye, sadharan lok, baroloker sathe alap korato. (No, at Calcutta, they used to take. Common people, got to know a few gentlemen.)
Prabhupāda: Calcuttay kothay chilen takhon? (Where at Calcutta you used to stay then?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oi Halsibagane . . . bari korechilam bharay, collis taka bhara diye. (At Halsibagan . . . took a house with 40 rupees rent.)
Prabhupāda: Konkhanta? (Which area?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Halsibagan.
Prabhupāda: Halsibagan, hya okhaneto amio gechi. (Halsibagan, Yes. I also used to go there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tarpor sekhan theke, oi toiri holo . . . ogulo r deben na, ogulo r deben na, tahole ami r . . . (From there, that was built . . . don't give those things any more, don't give those things, then I will not be . . .) (laughs)
Yadubara: Prabhupāda would you like to have a photo with Lalitā Prasāda?
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhun esob amader private katha gulo . . . (Please don't keep these private talks of ours . . .)
Prabhupāda: Na, na . . . osob katha amra chapbo keno. (No, no . . . we will not publish those talks.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Thak na . . . (Let those be . . .)
Prabhupāda: Oh apnader bhai bhai er katha, amra keno chapbo? Apnader bhai bhaier se ekta ghanista tar katha. Sekatha alada. (Those are the words between you brothers, why should we publish. Those were the talks between your brothers who were very close to each other. Those words are different.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Se na, onya rakam ghanista ta . . . nijer duksha. (Not exactly, another type of closeness . . . my grief.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ye, bhai eromkam korlo na . . . . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Oh my brother you didn't do it . . .)
Prabhupāda: Baro bhai ektu cote gelo, choto bhai ektu namra holo. Ei duniyar niyam. (The elder brother became a little angry and the younger brother had to be a little obliged. These are the norms of the whole world.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Eigulo tader to kono anya katha na. O amra jani. (There's nothing more in this. That we know.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tabe ami Noa da ke tairi kore kore bolehilam sob bhabe . . . . . . (indistinct Bengali) (But I prepared Noa da (elder brother) in many ways . . .)
Prabhupāda: Korechilen boleito eto baro holo. (It is because of his service he became so great.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Onya bhaigulo kicchu sahayya kare na, ulte amake badha diyeche. (All the other brothers didn't help, rather they prevented me.)
Prabhupāda: Orakam hoyechilo boleito, amrao sampakka hoyechilo, kichu seva korchi. (Because it so happened, we also got to have a relationship, rendering some service.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ulte aro, onya bhai bon gulo amake badha diyeche . . . (indistinct) . . . keno karis . . . keno karis? (On the contrary, all other brothers and sisters had opposed me . . . (indistinct) . . . why do you do, why . . . why you do that?)
Prabhupāda: Hingsa, bhaiye bhaiye. (Envy amongst brothers.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami bollam na ami thakboi. Ami korbo . . . (indistinct Bengali) (I said, "No I will be there. I will do . . .")
Prabhupāda: Huh?.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . kono jinis ami caina. (I don't want anything.) I don't require anything, Ei jonyei ami morechi (laughs), tarpor nije kato boi arambha korbo . . . (indistinct) . . . uni bandha korlen, ami nije arambha korlam (. . . for that reason I got finished (laughs), then I begun to do some books of my own . . . (indistinct) . . . he closed it down, I started my own.)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . sit down here. No.
Yadubara: I don't think he can move very well.
Prabhupāda: No he cannot move, I can move.
Yadubara: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: Where shall I sit?
Yadubara: It would be best if he could turn. I'm not sure if he can do that, and you could sit here.
Prabhupāda: I will sit down here.
Yadubara: Yeah, you could sit on the chair here.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Yadubara: And if he can turn a little, I can take the photo from there.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ar eiye apni, amake ekta subidhe dicchen, eo amar ekta bhagyer katha. (And that you are offering me a favour, that is also a good fortune for me.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Niscoi colbe. (Will surely do.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Yadubara: Take candid and portrait, that also.
Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Yadubara: Lalitā Prasāda, could you look this way?
Prabhupāda: Bolche apni oi dikta ceye dekhben ektu. (They are asking you to look that way.) You should always address him Ṭhākura Mahārāja
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: They don't know that's why . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: (laughs) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oder desheri cal hocche ei. Thakur dada keo nam dhore dake. (This is the norm of their country. They call their grandfathers also by name.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Yadubara: Very nice. Thank you very much.
Lalitā Prasāda: Apnara eto kharac korben keno? . . . (indistinct) . . . keno amar jonye kharac korben? (Why have you spent so much money . . . why you spend so much?)
Prabhupāda: Apnar bacbar jonye Koti taka kharac korleo, eo kichu noy. (To keep you alive, even spending millions of dollars is not sufficient.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami khub simple. Amar kicchu caina. Amar ekta duksha roibe, bhakti korle na, nam korle na. Naam koro . . . (I am a very simple person. I don't have any demand as such. My only lamentation is that I haven't got Bhakti, not chanted the Name. Chant the Name . . .)
Prabhupāda: Na, era sob nam kore. (Yes, all of them chant the Name.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, hya era kore. Era onekshan dhore nam korchilo bose bose. (Yes, yes, they do. They were chanting for a long time sitting there.)
Prabhupāda: Nam kore. (They chant.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . se amar mathay, mathay thakbe . . . (indistinct) . . . Kolkatar khabar niyechilem . . . (indistinct) . . . ei Ananda bajare, ei bar. (He is in my head, let Him remain in my head . . . (indistinct) . . . have enquired about Calcutta, this time, in Anada bajar.)
Prabhupāda: Sakali bolche, Kolkatate Kirtan hoate Naxalies. (Everyone is saying that because of Kirtan performances at Calcutta, Naxalites) (break) . . . komeche . . . (go to reduce . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes)
Prabhupāda: Naxalite amader sange neceche. (Naxalites even danced with us.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ke? (Who?)
Prabhupāda: Naxalite. Oiye naxalite sob marche lok ke. (Naxalite. Those naxalites who are killing people.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ora nakshal. (They are all nakshal.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, nakshal. (Yes nakshal.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, naxalites. (Yes naxalites.)
Prabhupāda: Tara amader sange neceche, prasad peyechilo. (They have danced with us, took prasadam.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Badmais, badmais sob. (Criminals, all criminals.)
Prabhupāda: Sob badmais . . . (All criminals . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhalo hoye geche. (They become gentleman.)
Prabhupāda: Bhalo hoye geche. (Become gentleman.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni khub upakar korlen desher. (You have done a great service to the country.)
Prabhupāda: Sakali bolche Kirtan holo bolei theme geche. Sakale bolche. (Everyone is saying that because of the performance of kirtana this has stopped. Everyone is saying.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Plague.
Prabhupāda: Hya, plague er samay. Takhan ami . . . (Yes, during the time of the plague. Then I was . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Ami ek bachor . . . amar mone ache, ami takhan choto, ami necechi oi Nam Kirtane. (I was then one year old . . . I remember, although I was a kid then, I danced in the Nam kirtana.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ora elo . . . (indistinct) . . . babake bollum, ye baba ora eyeche . . . (indistinct) . . . ami yabo na. (whispers) Woodburn ke bolle tumi egulo karo. Yei galpo guli janento . . . (they came . . . (indistinct) . . . informed father that they have come . . . (indistinct) . . . I will not go. (whispers) and went to tell Woodburn that you do all these things. Are you aware of those incidents . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm, ke . . . (who . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Woodburn . . . mane Governor, Woodburn. (Woodburn . . . means Governor, Woodburn.)
Prabhupāda: Accha, Woodburn. (Oh, Woodburn.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Woodburn ke balo giye, tumi yodi plague tarate cao, Hari-nam na korle yabe na, Hari-nam ano byas . . . (Went and told Woodburn that if you wish to eradicate plague, Hari-nama must be performed, elst it won't go. Perform Hari-nama that's it . . .)
Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: The car is ready or not? We shall have to go.
Gurudāsa: I think Śyāmasundara is just finishing fixing.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oita khub colche. (That one is running well.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . bangalir mato temon kapor porbe, ekhon kapor porbar emon . . . (they will wear a sari like a Bengali, now they will wear a sari like . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Meyera sari porche. (Yes, Ladies are wearing saris.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, tai to bolchi . . . (indistinct Bengali) (That's what I am saying . . .)
Gurudāsa: Śyāmasundara prabhu.
Yadubara: Śyāmasundara how long will it be?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . (whisper) segulo sob dekhabo apnake . . . (indistinct) . . . oikhanei ache . . . (indistinct) . . . apnake kichu korte hobe na . . . (indistinct) . . . yodi car piece chay pich o rakhen, ta segulo amar theke yabe buro bayose. Oi gulo . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . will show those all to you . . . (indistinct) . . . all are there . . . (indistinct) . . . you don't have to do anything . . . (indistinct) . . . even if you use 4 to 6 pieces, the things will remain, in this old age. Those . . .)
Prabhupāda: Apni ar baire-taire yan na naki. (Seems that you don't go for outside work any more.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami uthte pari na, ami ekhan theke okhane uthte parina . . . (indistinct) . . . hamaguri diye yete hoy . . . (indistinct Bengali) (I can't get up even, I can't move here to there . . . (indistinct) . . . I am to crawl if I need to move . . .)
Yadubara: He says five more minutes.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Western . . . press.
Yadubara: Na, na. (No, no.) (laughs)
Lalitā Prasāda: Take one or two . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ar ektu thanda jal diye aso. (Please bring a little more cold water.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, Oh Hari. (Yes, Oh Hari.)
Hari: Eito. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ene dao . . . jal dao . . . amar Hari achena sob pare . . . (Please bring . . . give water . . . my Hari can do everything . . .) (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Amar . . . (My . . .) (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Accha.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Apnar maa, meyeti khub . . . (Your, the mother and daughter are very . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Khub . . . (Very . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ki holo re, jal dili ne? (What happened, you haven't given water?)
Hari: Hm, dicchi. (Yes, giving.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dao, thanda. Sabceye thanda jal niye aso, ene dao . . . mukhdiye khan, mukh diye khan . . . oder alada rakhbe, kicchu hobe na . . . apni or maa ke ektu jal dilen na, more jay yodi. Ektu jal deben na. onek upakar pabe . . . (indistinct) . . . thik katha. (Give, cold. Bring cold water, give here . . . you can touch your lips and drink, touch your lips and drink . . . they have separate water glass, there won't be any problem . . . will you give some water with your hand to his mother, she may die soon. Can't you give little water, she will be greatly benefitted . . . (indistinct) . . . that's correct.)
Prabhupāda: Amar kache. (To me.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . banglar meye. (Bengal's daughter.)
Prabhupāda: Amar kache onek sob meye asche. Aj kal to meyeder sob biye hoy na. Ami mone korchi oke head kore tader ke sob siksha debo jonye ekhane anbo. (Many ladies are coming to me. Now-a-days women don't get married. I am thinking that I will bring those ladies here for training and will make her as head of them.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . den, den pathiye den (. . . you can send.)
Prabhupāda: Kimba ekhane yodi bari kori . . . (Or, if we can make a building here . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eto bhaloi hoy, ekhane thakbe. Takhan gaan bajna colbe . . . ananda hobe, Hari nama colbe . . . (indistinct Bengali) (It will be good, they can stay. Bhajan Kirtan will happen . . . all will be happy, Hari nama will be also chanted . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ekta bari kore, oke head kore rekhe debo. (Will make a building and will keep her as head.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sob katha sunbe . . . (indistinct) . . . beche thakle hoy, bayos holo besh. (She will abide by your words . . . (indistinct) . . . hope she will be alive, she has become old.)
Prabhupāda: Beshi bayos to noy. (Not that old.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (whispers) Bayes bahanna-tippanna. (Age 52 to 53.)
Prabhupāda: Achha.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bayos hoyeche, rakhbar bayos nei ar, tabe nijer . . .(indistinct) . . . ciro yaouban to, oi jonya cehara ta . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (She has become old, she is no longer young . . .) (indistinct) . . . yakhan maa eschilen . . . (indistinct) (. . . then when mother came . . .) (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Ta apnar bhai der madhye dujoni brahmacari ar na aro sob? (So amongst your brother's two are brahmacari or others as well?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sob na . . . (indistinct) . . . sej dar duti chele, bor dar . . . (Not all . . . (indistinct) . . . but one of my elder brother's two sons, and eldest brother's . . .)
Prabhupāda: My Guru Mahārāja and Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura both are from the very beginning strict brahmacārīs.
Gurudāsa: Ohh.
Śyāmasundara: (outside) Try it now.
Lalitā Prasāda: From the age of six I was disgusted with meeting females.
Gurudāsa: Oh.
Prabhupāda: That, that means from the past life you were a . . .
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, past life chilem. Apnake bolchi bolben na) . . . (indistinct) . . . (Yes, In a past life I was. Don't tell that one . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (whispers) . . . (indistinct) . . . cheleke niye asbi, niye elo . . . dam diye kine niye elo . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs) . . . (indistinct) . . . bollo, amar gharta khule de . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . you bring your son, so he was brought . . . purchased with a price . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs) . . . (indistinct) . . . told to open my room . . .)
Prabhupāda: Kata diner janya . . . (For how many days . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Chay bachchar pare, chay bachchar. (Six years, after six years.)
Prabhupāda: Chay bachchar. (Six years.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ye din gelen, sedin niye gelen . . . tei-se March . . . (the day he went on that day only he took away . . . 23rd March . . .)
Prabhupāda: Sei ghar tay apni cabi diye rekhechen. (That room you have kept locked.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sei ghare, cabi diye, ami yai ni . . . amar ek bhaipo ke diyechilum. Sei bhaipo ghar tay puja kore, amader bother korar kichu nei, kintu majhe majhe sei ghure . . . (indistinct) . . . ekdin bodh hoy giyechilo . . . dekhe ese . . . (indistinct) . . . ar se baro ghar . . . sekhane pancas jan lok easily boste parbe. (That room, after locking, I haven't gone . . . had given the keys to one of my nephews. He used that room for puja room, never bothered to intimate us. . . . (indistinct) . . . most probably they went there one day to see . . . (indistinct) . . . it's a big room . . . about 50 people can sit easily.)
Prabhupāda: Achha.
Lalitā Prasāda: Chabbis feet lamba, ar egaro feet caora. (26 feet long and 11 feet wide.)
Prabhupāda: Khub baro ghar. (Very big room.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei gharta maa diye gelo, uni yaoar pore . . . (indistinct) . . . kono din bhara cai ni . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Mother gave that room, after her passing . . . (indistinct) . . . we never asked for rent . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ar or ghar to ekta ache. (And he has another room for him.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh?
Prabhupāda: Apnar dadar, tar oto ekta ghar ache. (Your elder brother, he also has a room.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tar choto ghar chilo, ektalay, sei ghare . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (He had a small room, on the first floor, in that room . . .)
Prabhupāda: Besh korecho. (You have done good.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Sei onek yukti kore korechi . . . (indistinct) . . . ki korbo. Ei Mayapure . . . (indistinct) . . . map diye matir thakur yara duti ache ar duti kather thakur ache. Oi Bishnu Prya ar Lakshmi Prya. Lakshmi Prya matir thakur. Ar ekti . . . (indistinct) . . . ar Bishnu Prya kather. Lakshmi Prya . . . (indistinct) . . . matir. Erpor British ra eschilo . . . (indistinct) . . . Roy Bahadur . . . district engineer . . . (indistinct) . . . Sarkar. Yar bhai Kishori Sarkar chilo na. Se iyer jamai . . . Sirish Babu . . . (indistinct) . . .Sirish Babuder bhagni pati . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Did it after a lot of thinking . . . (indistinct) . . . what else can I do . . . (indistinct) . . . in Māyāpur . . . two Deities made of clay and two of wood. Bishnu Priya and Lakshmi Priya. Lakshmi Priya is made of clay. Another one . . . (indistinct) . . . and Bishnu Priya is of wood. Lakshmi Priya . . . is of clay. Britishers came once . . . Roy Bahadur . . . district engineer . . . Sarkar. Whose brother was Kishori Sarkar. He was the brother in law of Sirish Babu . . . the brother in law of Sirish Babu's family . . .)
Prabhupāda: Accha.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . se ar oi dujone, Mayapur amra . . . (indistinct) . . .chotobela amra sakole . . . (indistinct) . . . ta Sirish Babu ke yakhani kolakatay. . . . amar kono bhaike yodi guardian kore dile ami doure . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . he and other two, we together in Māyāpur . . . (indistinct) . . . we were in our childhood then . . . (indistinct) . . . Sirish Babu, whenever he used to visit Calcutta . . . as a guardian for my brother's I used to rush . . .)
Prabhupāda: Finished?
Śyāmasundara: No. I need one small piece of wire. I wondered . . .
Prabhupāda: Accha ektu tar ache? (Do you have a small piece of wire?)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ki tar? (What type of wire?)
Bengali Devotee: Loha? (Iron wire?)
Prabhupāda: Ye kono tar. (Any type of wire.)
Śyāmasundara: Electric wire about this long.
Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ki? Ki? Ki? (What? What? What?)
Bengali Devotee: Na, electric tar. (No, electric wire.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Electric caire? (Asking for electric wire.)
Bengali Devotee: Din. (Give this.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei dao. (Give, give it here.)
Prabhupāda: Dao, dao. (Give, give.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dao. Kete dao na okhan theke. (Give. Just cut it from here.)
Bengali Devotee: Eito amar ghare ache. (I have in my room.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dao. Kete dao. Na hole darkar . . . (indistinct) . . . kete dao. Ek colour. Ami sob rakhi, (Give. Cut it and give. If required . . . (indistinct) . . . cut it and give. Single color. I keep almost everything,) I keep everything. . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Apnar abhab ki. (You have no scarcity.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami . . . sob, every . . . kon dike janina balun. (I . . . all, every . . . tell me something of which I don't have any idea about.)
Śyāmasundara: (laughs) He's got everything.
Lalitā Prasāda: Oi tare hobe? (Will that wire do?)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes of course).
Lalitā Prasāda: Yadi mota tar darkar hoy tao pabe. (If some thick wire is needed that too can be arranged.)
Bengali Devotee: Accha.
Lalitā Prasāda: Amar, amar ei buro bayose . . . (My, in my old age . . .)
Prabhupāda: Accha, duto rasta ache ki? Ekta rasta ei rasta ta to bhal na. Ei kaca rasta ta. (Are there two routes? In one route the roads are not good. It is unconstructed clay road.)
Bengali Devotee: Konta? (Which one?)
Prabhupāda: Amra eschilam ei kaca rasta diye. Ar kono rasta ache? Ekjan bollo ye, odik diye paka rasta. (We came by that unconstructed road. Is there any other route? Someone said that there is one asphalt road on that side.)
Bengali Devotee: Se anek ghur hobe. (It will be a longer route.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, shunun. Ekhen theke Phule. (No, listen please. From here to Phule.)
Prabhupāda: Phulia hya, Phule. (Phulia yes, Phule.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Paka rasta. (Asphalt road.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekbare mise yabe. (Directly it will merge.)
Prabhupāda: Seiti to bhalo hoy. (That will be better.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Accha, apni eidike . . . (indistinct) . . . bridge paben. (Well, from here you will get . . . (indistinct) . . . bridge.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ta apnar adh ganta beshi lagbe. Mile dash . . . bridge diye kuri minute lagbe. (That will take more than half an hour. After ten miles . . . by the bridge it will take 20 minutes.)
Prabhupāda: Mile dasher. (About ten miles.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Ta hok. Kintu paka rasta diye yabo. (Let it be but we will go by the asphalt road.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Paka rasta diye yabe . . . apnake bolchi . . . oi libraryr pas diye beriye, oikhane giye, saman cole yabe, oi gate ta. (Go by asphalt road . . . I will tell you . . . go out beside the library, from there straight away it goes, that gate.)
Prabhupāda: (to Bengali devotee) Tumi ektu baba ektu egiye debe . . . (You please physically guide us a little . . .) .
Lalitā Prasāda: Accha, tui noy ektu egiye diye ay . . . (Well, you please go with them a little distance.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, ektu egiye diye eso. (Yes, please come with us a little.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Gate paryanta egiye diye ay. (Go with them up to the gate.)
Bengali Devotee: Thik ache. (Okay.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Gate par hoye gele, gari par hote dekhle . . . ebar gari par hole, tui bari cole asbi. Ar ese amake khabar dibi 'ora cole gelo', Hari re. Accha, oi korbe. Ei rasta diye yabe. (After crossing the gate, if you see a car has crossed . . . after the car has crossed, then you return. And after returning, give me news that, "They have gone." Hari, did you understand? Okay, he will do so. They will go by this route.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, ami bolechi, Phulia diye. (Yes, I have said, via Phulia.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Phulia yan, Phuliar ye gate ta ache . . . (Go to Phulia, the gate is there at Phulia . . .)
Prabhupāda: . . . Shantipur.
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, Shantipur diye . . . (indistinct) . . . ek bare Calcutta. (No, not from Shantipur . . . (indistinct) . . . straight to Calcutta.)
Prabhupāda: Na, Kolkata to yabo na. (We will not go to Calcutta.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kothay? (Where?)
Prabhupāda: Amra ekhon Mayapure yabo. (We will go to Māyāpur now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, Phulia diye ghure yaben. (Oh, you will go via Phulia then.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Phulia diye Shantipur diye. (Yes. Via Phulia and Shantipur.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Khub bhalo hobe . . . (indistinct) . . . apni to egiye yaben. (It will be very good . . . (indistinct) . . . you are going ahead.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, sei to. (Yes, that's what.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apnara keno ei rasta diye eschen . . . (Why have you come through this road . . .)
Prabhupāda: Janina. (Not aware.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Three miles kom ache. (You would have traveled three miles less.) Three, could have saved three miles, by coming direct from the Phulia. Paka road . . . pakka road (. . . Asphalt road . . .)
Prabhupāda: Se to janena. (That they don't know.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Tumi rasta ta ektu dekhiye dao Phulia diye. (You please show us up to the road, through Phulia.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Here is Phulia, here is Shantipur, here is Kṛṣṇa-nagar . . . (indistinct) You have come here.
Prabhupāda: Here, here.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: There you took turn and you come here . . . (indistinct) . . . you are come two, two, two or three mile saved, you could have easily saved.
Prabhupāda: And road is also nice. 10 miles.
Prabhupāda: And road also nice.
Lalitā Prasāda: Road is nice.
Lalitā Prasāda: Kacca road, ekhono pakka hoy ni. Amader, amader . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . unconstructed road, asphalting not yet done. Our, our . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ekhono . . . (indistinct) . . . (Until now . . . (indistinct) . . .)
Prabhupāda: Rasta ar kare ni. (Asphalting not done.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Rasta r hoyni . . . ei Nineteen thirty sevene . . . yakhan iye eschilo . . . Anderson . . . takhan se bollo ami paka korbo . . . (indistinct) . . . ajo paka holo na, ei to Baruipur road . . . (indistinct) . . . ei road. (Have not laid asphalt . . . in 1937 . . . when he came . . . Anderson . . . he told me that I will construct the asphalt road . . . but until date it is not done, this Baruipur road . . . . (indistinct) . . . this road.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Yak, apni . . . tahole apni Nabadwipi yaben. (Whatever, you are here . . . that means you go up to Nabadwip only.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Yes, along with.
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh, tahole . . . (indistinct) . . . Ganga nadite . . . (indistinct) (Oh, then . . . (indistinct) . . . Ganges . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ajke yabo na, kal yabo. (I will not go today, tomorrow I will.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hya . . . (Yes . . .) (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Eder ghuriye niye ya to (You please go with them) . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Tahole to ektu dur hoye yay. (Then it will be quite far.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Bengali Devotee: Phulia hoye aschilen. (You came via Phulia.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Phulia hoyei asa uchit, yanta na. (Yes, you had to come via Phulia, I did not know . . .)
Bengali Devotee: Ekebare metalic . . . (Then metallic . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Phulia, Phulia . . . Phulia gate. Oi gate . . . (indistinct) . . . sei gater oikhane dhuke porlo . . . (indistinct) . . . ar apni ekhan diye yaben. (That gate . . . (indistinct) . . . enter near that gate . . . (indistinct) . . . and you go from here.
Prabhupāda: Oh . . . jana nei to . . . (Oh . . . were not known . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni, apni Mayapur yaben? (You, will you go to Māyāpur?)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: 1 hour lagbe. 15 miles. Katakshan, car minute, 1 hour. Ek ghantay pauche yaben. Apni namchilen kothay? (It will take about 1 hour. 15 miles. How long, 4 minutes, 1 hour. You will reach by 1 hour. Where will you stay?)
Prabhupāda: Amra jayga kinechi. (We have purchased land.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kon jayga? (Which place?)
Prabhupāda: Oi . . . (That . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Na, na, na. (No, no, no.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole? (Then?)
Prabhupāda: Amader Chaitanya . . . Yog pith ache na. (Our Caitanya . . . Yogapitha is there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Prabhupāda: Okhan theke der mile. (1.5 miles from there.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Mane, amader Math er aspase. (Then, adjacent to our Matha.)
Prabhupāda: Oi . . . between. Madhav Maharajer ar amader Yogpith . . . (That . . . between. Madhav Mahārāja's and our Yogapitha . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Madhav Maharajer . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Madav Mahārāja's . . .)
Prabhupāda: Na, ato dure yete hoy na. Thik Yogpither khanik ta pore. (No, not that far. Just at a little distance from Yogapitha.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ei side . . . (this side . . .)
Prabhupāda: Ei side. Ei side Madhav Maharajer parei amra . . . On this side. Madhav Mahārāja's Gaudiya Math is on this side.
Lalitā Prasāda: Madhav Maharajer oi jayga diye par hon, oi khan diye par hon. (You cross over from Madhav Mahārāja's place, do you cross over from there?)
Prabhupāda: Par hoi amra to edik diye yai. (We cross over from this side.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kon dik diye? (From which side?)
Bengali Devotee: Bagulia hoye. (Via Bagulia.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bagulia hoye yan? Bridge er opor diye? (You go via Bagulia? Above the bridge?)
Bengali Devotee: Na. (No.) direct.
Prabhupāda: Direct.
Lalitā Prasāda: Bridge? (Over the bridge?)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Huh?
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tahole . . . (indistinct) . . . na. (Then not via . . . (indistinct) . . . no.)
Prabhupāda: Na, na. (No, no.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh. Tahole to . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Then you go . . .)
Prabhupāda: Par hote gele to . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (If you want to cross over then . . .)
Bengali Devotee: Hya . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Yes . . .)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oh. Tai janye . . . (indistinct) . . . Mayapure. (Oh. That's why . . . (indistinct) . . . Māyāpur.)
Bengali Devotee: Mayapur bod hoy tin-car mile. (Māyāpur is probably 3 to 4 miles.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya. Car mile. Pakka. Ami hete gechi kato bar. Oi sandhya kaler dike yete hobe . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Yes. 4 miles. Confirm. So many times I have gone by walking. You have to go in the evening if you go by walking . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Jagannath mandir ache. (Jagannatha temple is there.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . ekhon ki hoyeche janina. Aj tin bachor yai ni ar dekhini . . . (don't know what the situation is now. I have not gone for three years, I have not seen.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . (whispers) . . . Kanju ya byabhar kare (the way Kanju behaves) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Na hajam hobe na kintu. Niyeche hajam hobe na. Hajam hocche na. Sob thak kore felche. Sob nasta korche. (Taken but won't be able to digest. They have taken but will not be able to maintain. Digestion is not happening. They are making everything faulty. Destroying everything.)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Maha visaya buddhi.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . sunechen to? (. . . have you heard that?)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhaiyer sathe anyay, janen to? . . . (indistinct) . . . bhai ta. (He cheated on his brother, do you know about this? . . . (indistinct) . . . that brother.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Badmais, janen na. (Don't you know his mischief?) . . . (indistinct) . . . or ye bou ta chilo . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (he had a wife . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hya, hya. (Yes, yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . bou take nasta korlo (spoiled the wife) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hya. Sunchi. (Yes. I heard.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Tarpore, o abar . . . (indistinct) . . . meye ke biye kore niye esche . . . (indistinct) . . . biye kori . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs) . . . (indistinct) . . . chele barrister . . . (Then he again married . . . (indistinct) . . . daughter and come . . . (indistinct) . . . let me marry you . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs). . . . (indistinct) . . . the son is barrister . . .)
Prabhupāda: Osob matlab kore barrister, ukil koreche, eisob hat korbar janya. (They have made them barrister, lawyer with a gameplan to capture all of them in their control.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Kato taka eikhan theke curi koreche, thakurer gayna curi kore, Mayapurer theke . . . (indistinct) . . . janen apni. . . . (indistinct) . . . Gaudiya Math . . . curi koreche. Kichu gayna bouer kache chilo, ache ekhon. Ar dui laksha taka aro curi kore jami bari korechilo . . . (indistinct) . . .ukil ra case korechilo. (Stole lots of money, the ornament of the Deities, from Māyāpur . . . (indistinct) . . . do you know? . . . (indistinct) . . . Gaudiya Math . . . stole from there. Ornaments were with the wife, it is still there. He stole two lakhs more and made some land and properties . . . (indistinct) . . . lawyers have filed a case.)
Prabhupāda: So let us go. Tahole amra uthi. (We are leaving now.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Se ar bole ki korbo, osob baje katha to (What is the benefit of saying, those are all dirty words . . .). . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Or gun sob jani ami . . . (I know all his qualities quite well . . .) so.
Lalitā Prasāda: Na, gharer katha sobi ami jani. (I know all the stories of our family.)
Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami boli na. Apnake bolte pari, onya ke na. Era bojhen na bole bollam egulo. Na hole boltum na. (I won't reveal it. I can tell you only, not to others. Because these people (foreign devotees) will not be able to understand, that's why I could tell you. Otherwise I would not have told.) (laughs)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ei, maa . . . maa ke balo era cole yabe. Ar maa ke khabar dao. (Hey, tell your mother they are going to leave. Inform your mother.)
Bengali Devotee: Dicchi. (Okay.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Hya, maa ke balo. (Yes, tell mother once.)
Prabhupāda: Where is Bhavānanda?
Yadubara: He is sleeping.
Lalitā Prasāda: Apni . . . (You . . .)
Yadubara: I think he is a little bit sick.
Lalitā Prasāda: Ami maa ke bolechi, yakhani era asbe, khub yanta korbe. O sob nijei kare. Ar amar katha sune, aro . . . (I have told my mother that whenever these people will come, she should take good care of you all. She does everything. Now after hearing me, she will do more . . .)
Bengali Devotee: Onara berobe. (They will leave.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Thik ache . . . khabar holo ajke? (Alright . . . was the food proper today?)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Khabar, kheye tustu holo? (The food, are you satisfied after eating?)
Bengali Devotee: Khub kheyechi. (We have taken too much.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, khub kheyechi, khub bhalo. (Yes taken too much, very good.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Bhagavaner payes to korte bollum, ke khabe na, tai payes korechi. (I was told to prepare sweet rice for the Lord, if anyone would like it. So the sweet rice was made.)
Prabhupāda: Sob jinis eto sundar hoyeche. (Each and every item was very nice.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Ogulo Govinda bhoga cal. (Those were Govinda bhog rice.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Ogulo Govinda bhoga cal. (They were Govinda bhoga rice.)
Prabhupāda: Hya, Govinda bhoga cal. (Yes, Govinda bhoga rice.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Oigulo Murshidabad theke aniyechi. (I brought it from Murshidabad.)
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalitā Prasāda: Murshidabad theke aniyechi (I have brought it from Murshidabad . . .). . . (indistinct Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Murshidabad.
Lalitā Prasāda: Sekhan theke aniyechi. (I have brought from there.)
Prabhupāda: Murshidabad.
(break)
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . eke bollam, onek . . . (I told him, many) . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . na purana lok to . . . (an old fellow here.)
Lalitā Prasāda: Dekhun babar ya hater lekha, khamer pase lukono chilo . . . (indistinct) . . . asche. (See, the handwriting of my father was hidden in an envelope . . . (indistinct) . . . came here.)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . sei katha guloi amar asche (saying the same thing) . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhechi ami. (I have seen.)
Prabhupāda: Achha. Dekhun bhagavaner iccha sob, hobe ekdin . . . (Just see, everything is the will of the Lord, everything will happen on that day) . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Apnake ar ekta katha bolbo? (Should I tell you something?)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . (whispers)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (continue whispering) . . . (indistinct) . . . ami Kesta ke cai ne, Radha ke cai ne . . . ami cai Radha Krsner jiboner miloner ye lila ta . . . (I don't want Kṛṣṇa, nor do I want Radha . . . I want that the pastime of Radha Kṛṣṇa's meeting . . . this pastime . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . darkar. (. . . that is required.)
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . Radharani . . .
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: . . . Kṛṣṇa. Yakhani (Whenever) (whispers) . . . (indistinct) . . . amar anurodh (. . . my request.)
Prabhupāda: Achha.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . (whispers) . . . ami yat dur chance peyechi . . . (in so far that I got a chance . . .)
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . dui jayga yabe . . . (will go in two places.)
Bengali Devotee: . . . (indistinct)
Lalitā Prasāda: Han. (Yes.) . . . (indistinct) (break) (end)
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