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701115 - Lecture SB 06.01.19 - Bombay

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

701115SB-BOMBAY - November 15, 1970 - 30:48 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . inform that man, he'll come at about ten.

Haṁsadūta: He'll come at ten tonight? It's on the way to Gorakhpur?

Prabhupāda: Yes, we can go via that way also. Then it would be time?

Haṁsadūta: When do they want us to come there?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Haṁsadūta: When do they want us? If we leave . . . the day we leave here, we can go there? Sixteenth or seventeenth?

Prabhupāda: No, we are leaving on the seventeenth, so we can get that place on the eighteenth and live there for three, four days, if they'll provide a good bungalow. And they have promised. So this is the position. Now you can consider.

Haṁsadūta: They can arrange a program for you?

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. They'll do everything.

Yamunā: (indistinct) . . . make arrangements . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Then we can cancel that. So the possibility is on the eighteenth. (break)

Devotee: In order that you should leave by the eighteenth, actually we have to go by plane. And so the plane reservation has already been made, and . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: So you, amongst yourself, consider all these. I cannot tax my brain. So whatever is good, you do it. At Gurudāsa's meeting, we shall be required all to represent there? Some of them may go.

Yamunā: Not all.

Prabhupāda: Not all. Then some of them may go directly to Delhi, and some of them may go via Krishnanagar. What do you think, Haṁsadūta?

Haṁsadūta: I think so, yes.

Prabhupāda: So you consider. Make a meeting amongst yourselves. Decide what to do.

Haṁsadūta: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: And here, for opening a center it is already proposed that they will give us land and they will give us a temple also. Other buildings we have to manage.

Haṁsadūta: They will give us a temple also?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Haṁsadūta: Where is that temple?

Prabhupāda: Temple we have to construct.

Haṁsadūta: Oh!

Prabhupāda: But for that construction, temple, they will pay. But for residential and other buildings and maintenance, we have to arrange. That's not a bad proposal. It is nice proposal. They are giving us land, giving us a temple. And we can raise funds and construct as we increase men. In the meantime we can manage the temple. It is good proposal.

(knocking noise) (hums) Open it. Somebody is knocking. Keep it open. No, don't keep it ope . . . yes, open, open. Keep it open like that. Yes . . . (indistinct)

Another thing: that Gopāla is not offered sacred thread? You were not doubly initiated? So he can be initiated doubly. And Bruce, what it is? He is not going to be initiated?

Yamunā: I'll have to ask him . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Huh? No, you can ask later on. He is now practiced to our habits. So he can be initiated. Yes. There is sufficient place. You can sit down here. (break) Aiye sab, ap log bhi pehle aiye. (Everybody come, you all also please come front.)

You can sit down behind the women. Aiye, aiye. Samne baithiye ap log. Idhar aiye na samne. (Please come and sit in the front. Come here in the front) Come, come forward—come forward. Aurat log pehle baithiye. Aiye baithiye. (Ladies can sit in front. Please sit.) Now the difficulty is if I speak in English, most probably the ladies will not be able to understand. And if I speak in Hindi, then these . . . (laughs)

Guest (2): . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

(discussion among guests and Prabhupāda) (ladies say they understand English)

Prabhupāda: Speak in English? You can do one thing. You can translate. Huh? That will be nice. So you come here. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt (BG 2.40).

Guest (2): The Sanskrit . . . I don't read Sanskrit.

Prabhupāda: No, I will speak in English, but you will . . .

Guest (3): . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Kaun shloka? (Which verse?) Svalpam apy asya dharmasya?

Guest (3): Yes.

Prabhupāda: Ye to Bhagavad-gita hai. Apko malum nahi? Ye hoga, dwitiya adhyay me hoga. (This is Bhagavad-gītā. Don't you know? It is in the second chapter.) (pause) So Śukadeva Gosvāmī says:

sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor
niveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgī yair iha
na te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān
svapne 'pi paśyanti hi cīrṇa-niṣkṛtāḥ
(SB 6.1.19)

Sakṛt. Sakṛt means very little, svalpam, very little. Sakṛt manaḥ. If one accepts this process of devotional service as very good—not that he has got full knowledge, but simply accepts it, simply accepts it . . . that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt.

(Indian man translates)

Prabhupāda: Kehne ka matlab hai ki, jaisa ap log idhar a rahe hai. Din bhar idhar nahi rehte hai, din bhar to ye log rehte hai. Ye jo thoda hi ap log ate hai, isme bhi bohot fayda hai. Ye kehne ka matlab hai. Sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor. Sakṛn - thoda hi. Thoda Krishna ka, idhar to aur dusra kaam nahi hai . . . (What I mean to say is, just like you are all coming for this little period of time. You don't stay here all day and night. They are staying here throughout the day but even if you come for this little period of time, that will benefit you a lot. That's all I want to mean. Sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor. Sakṛn—just a little. Something about Kṛṣṇa . . . there is no other work here.)

We have no other business, simply Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore anyone who joins with us even for a moment, even for a few minutes, still, it is so powerful that it can help you to save you from the greatest danger.

(Indian man translates throughout)

For this reason the temple is situated. In the temple, generally ordinary man, woman, they come to see the Deities, hear the chanting, and sometimes play some instrument. All these help him progressing toward devotional service. Niveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgī yair iha. Śrīdhara Svāmī says, bhaktiḥ svalpāpi punāti:

"Bhakti, devotional service, is so nice that even it is done very little, still it purifies." Just like fire. Even a small fire can burn wherever it is placed. Tasya guṇeṣu rāga-mātram asti na tu janānām. Śrīdhāra Svāmī says: "Simply a little attraction for Kṛṣṇa, not full knowledge even, simple little attraction, can purify one from all sinful reaction."

atra codāharantīmam
itihāsaṁ purātanam
dūtānāṁ viṣṇu-yamayoḥ
saṁvādas taṁ nibodha me
(SB 6.1.20)

Now he again says that, "Those who are attracted to devotional service of Kṛṣṇa even to a very little extent, for them," na te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān svapne 'pi paśyanti hi cīrṇa-niṣkṛtāḥ, "they do not even dream the Yamarāja or his constables." Because at the time of death those who are very sinful, they are taken away to Yamarāja's place. That's a fact. Not only that: he even in dream does not see them, because that little service to Kṛṣṇa has made him freed from all sinful contamination. Papa sab niṣkṛti ho gaya, niṣkṛtāḥ. (So all the sinful reactions have been neutralized.) The very word is used, cīrṇa-niṣkṛtāḥ.

atra codāharantīmam
itihāsaṁ purātanam
dūtānāṁ viṣṇu-yamayoḥ
saṁvādas taṁ nibodha me
(SB 6.1.20)

Now Śukadeva Gosvāmī is giving an example from the history. Now it is explicitly stated here, itihāsaṁ purāṇam. All the Purāṇas that we have got, they are not legends; they are all history. They are all histories. Just like there is no chronological history one after . . . but any incident which has taken actually place, they are reciting.

They are not fiction or imaginary stories, all the Purāṇas. Itihāsa, yes. So Śukadeva Gosvāmī is giving an instance from the history which is very instructive. Atra codāharantīmam itihāsaṁ purātanam. Purāṇa means old history, actually Purāṇa. Purāṇa means old. So purātaṇam itihāsam.

Now he gives that:

kānyakubje dvijaḥ kaścid
dāsī-patir ajāmilaḥ
nāmnā naṣṭa-sadācāro
dāsyāḥ saṁsarga-dūṣitaḥ
(SB 6.1.21)

He says: "In the city of Kānyakubja . . ." Kānyakubja is still existing. That is also historical place. That place is now known as Kanauj. Yes.

Usi ka kahani, usi ka kahani . . . kānyakubje dvijaḥ kaścid . . . wo sab hum batayenge, ghabraiye nahi, sab batayenge. (That is the story of . . . kānyakubje dvijaḥ kaścid . . . I will explain it all, don't worry.)

"In the city of Kānyakubja, formerly there was a Brahmin." Kānyakubje dvijaḥ kaścit. "There was a Brahmin." Āsīd dāsī-patir ajāmilaḥ. Dāsī-pati means one who keeps woman; it is not married. He kept one woman, dāsī; therefore he was the husband of a dāsī. He was living with a woman who was not married wife. So a Brahmin of the name Ajāmila who was husband of a kept woman, kānyakubje dvijaḥ kaścid dāsī-patir ajāmilaḥ, nāmnā naṣṭa-sadācāraḥ. But he lost all good qualification of a Brahmin. That is the result of illegitimate connection with women.

So this point is very important, that if one is addicted to illicit sex life, if one is addicted to meat-eating and if one is addicted in intoxicants, then he is immediately fallen from the standard of human society. Wo nasht ho jata hai aur wo phir Vedic . . . jo samaj hai, usse gir jata hai. (He becomes degraded and he falls from down from the Vedic society.)

The present state of Hindu society is so fallen because a Brahmin, in spite of his kadācāra, he claims to become a Brahmin. Do you follow? The śāstra says that as soon as you give up your good habits, the behavior of a Brahmin . . . the behavior or . . . just like it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, satya-śama-dama-titikṣa-ārjavam, jñānaṁ vijñānaṁ āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam (BG 18.42).

So we have to select a Brahmin by the symptoms of his life, not that because he is born of a Brahmin family he remains a Brahmin. No. He must continue the brahminical qualification; otherwise he is not a . . . naṣṭa-sadācāra. He is lost. Sadācāra must be continued. This is the conclusion of the Bhāgavata. Unfortunately, ot only Brahmins—kṣatriyas or śūdras, they are practically . . . they have lost all sadācāra. Still, they are claiming that "I am born in higher family." Naṣṭa-sadācāra dāsyāḥ sam . . .

And why he was lost of his good behavior? Dāsyāḥ saṁsarga-duṣitaḥ: because he was contaminated by that illicit sex life. And at the present moment a gentleman keeps woman and goes there, and still, he passes on as Brahmin. He does not know that he has fallen down. Isi liye . . . (That's why) . . . for this reason the present Hindu society is so degraded.

bandy-akṣaiḥ kaiṭavaiś cauryair
garhitāṁ vṛttim āsthitaḥ
bibhrat kuṭumbam aśucir
yātayām āsa dehinaḥ
(SB 6.1.22)

Now his profession was . . . when a man falls down, then he lives by this profession. What are these? Bandy-akṣaiḥ: gambling, cheating and stealing. All these abominable activities they adopt. And he does not think that, "I am doing something bad because I have no other means to maintain my family." He gives the reason that, "What can I do? I have to maintain my family, so somehow or other I must get money."

So there is a practical example in Patna high court. I do not wish to name, but there was a big high-court judge. He was taking bribe, and he was detected one day. When he was just to deliver one judgment, the private chief judge called him and he asked him that "You immediately resign on health condition and go away." But when his friends asked him that "Why you were doing so?" he replied that "I have got expenditure ten thousand rupees per month, and I get only four thousand. What can I do?"

So the . . . (door opens) Come on.

Just see practically. Even a high-court judge, because he has to spend more than his income, he adopted these vile means of living. The trend of modern civilization is like that. They unnecessarily increase their expenditure and adopt these all vile means . . . Badha lete hai aur us kharch ko sambhalne ke liye chori, juakhori aur thugbazi sab kuch karte hai. ( . . . he increases it and to meet that expenditure, he steals, gambles and cheats.)

So your party is ready? To, ye log bhi ready hai. Ha, le jao. Humara to abhi bohot kaam baki hai. To jagai-madhai uddhar karne ke liye saat baje ke gadi hai, visit karne jayenge. Aur sab ready hai. Humko abhi . . . (indistinct) . . . humko abhi bathroom me jana hai. Nahi, hum reh jayenge, koi bat nahi. Sab le jao. Hum akele reh jayenge. Aur sava-saat baje hum nikal jayenge. Phir, aat baje tak humko pahucha dena. Accha, thik hai. To aj yehi pe samapt kiya jaye . . . (indistinct) . . . Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam . . . (indistinct) . . . nahi. Ajamila ka. (So are these people also ready? Yes, you can take them. I have a lot of work left. To liberate Jagai-Madhai . . . there is a car leaving at 7 am . . . I will visit. Everything else is ready. Now I have to . . . (indistinct) . . . now I have to go to the bathroom. I will stay back, no issue. Take everything. I will stay back and I will leave at 7:15 am. Take me there by 8 am. Okay. So let's stop here for today . . . (indistinct) . . . Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. No. It is about Ajamila.) So you can go with him. Yes. So we'll . . . Kidhar jana hai? To do gadi, dekhiye kitne hai sab. Ye nasha jab tak nahi hoga, tab tak wo gire hi rahenge. Bahari jitna dikha hai, dhong. Jab tak wo char baje Bhagavat kirtan nahi kar sakega, wo girega hi. (Where do we have to go? So two cars . . . let's see how many are there. As long as this higher taste does not develop, he will remain fallen. All these superficial displays are simply hypocrisy. Till he doesn't do Bhagavat-kirtan at 4 in the morning, he will stay fallen.) (end)