Discussions -- May 20-22, 1977, Vrndavana
Indian man (1): (Hindi) (Hindi conversation) This matter can be taken up with the authorities. (Hindi)
Indian man (2): There must be exception.
Indian man (1): I don't think. The matter leaves... (Hindi) It has to be pursued by...
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) (Hindi conversation)
Indian man (1): Everybody's unsure about himself.
Indian man (2): Only the government has power.
Indian man (1): (Hindi) (Hindi conversation with scattered English) (long pause, bells ringing in background) [break]
Prabhupāda: ...in that paper he wrote, "In case I die, these three men will be trustees, and the majority will be effective." So that scrap of paper, Tīrtha Mahārāja kept it. And later on, Guru Mahārāja wanted to make a constitution, but he avoided. But actually after his demise, that scrap of paper was presented in the high-court, and property was given. That is the...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's... It was considered as a will.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No need of big, formal document.
Prabhupāda: He is the original founder. Automatically he wins. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He recovered from that hernia operation.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) No, and later on, he did not undergo sur... He thought then doctor... After all, everyone has got sentiment. He thought it that "The doctor has been called to kill me." So he did not undergo the hernia operation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He thought the doctor was paid off to kill him.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause sometimes people were paid off to kill him.
Prabhupāda: So he did not go.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually you and your Guru Mahārāja are the greatest enemies of modern civilization in this century, Śrīla Prabhupāda. So many people, materialists...
Prabhupāda: This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission,
bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra
janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra
CC Adi 9.41
This is India's culture. The whole world is in darkness, and they are risking their life in the transmigration of one body to another, mṛtyu-saṁsāra-var... The rascals do not know what they are doing. They are simply taking account of few years. He does not know that he's eternal. A few years, a fragment, a pass, passing way, that's all. A passing flash. And bharam udvahato vimūḍhān. This is Vaiṣṇava philosophy. This rascal... Māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān SB 7.9.43 . Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa, māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān SB 7.9.43 . This is Vaiṣṇava's concern that "These, what, rascals, they are doing?" That is Vaishnavism. "What these rascals are doing, jumping like monkey, wasting time?" That is Vaishnavism. Para-duḥkha-duḥkhī. These rascals do not know, driving motorcar, "ghata-ghata-ghata-ghata-ghata-ghata-ghata." He's going to fall down in the sea, but rascal does not know. He's racing with a dog. Dog is also running with full speed, and he's showing, "Oh, I have got this car. This much proud I am."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Big dog.
Prabhupāda: Big dog. And for that motorcar, so many tire tubes, so many parts, so many men engaged and money, policies and in completion, "Come here and compare with other 1970-year car." Have you seen the advertisement?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: All these things, this is going on. Chevrolet Company adver... "Bring other 1977 model and see what we have done." (Hindi)
Indian man (1): (Hindi)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So Prabhupāda has decided that the best medicine will be Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and kīrtana, and no need of any doctors who've promised that "I will save your life" or anything like that. We shouldn't bring them. And no outsiders. No outsiders.
Indian man (1): No medicine for the body?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No medicine.
Prabhupāda: Whatever medicine I am taking, that...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's taking a little bit. Yogendra-rasa he's taking. He's tried so many medicines. That is the point. Every doctor has come, and they've each given their medicine, and he's tried them. But they don't work. This medicine always works, Bhāgavatam and kīrtana.
Prabhupāda: Bhavauṣadhi.
Indian man (1): Bhavauṣadhi. Bhava auṣadhi. The cure for the bad of materialism.
Prabhupāda: Śrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt. It pleases the ear and mind. "Oh, I am taking this nice..." Bhavauṣadhāc chrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt. What is that? Ka uttama-śloka-guṇānuvādāt. Uttama-śloka, Bhagavān, glorification of His activities. Virajyeta vinā paśughnāt: SB 10.1.4 "Those who are paśughna, except them, who can avoid this medicine?"
Indian man (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda will come and he'll sit in front of Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma every day for a couple of hours, and he's calling some of his, all the devotees here. They'll be here. No... Perfect medicine.
Prabhupāda: No, he's calling all the GBC, all the GBC.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All the GBC men, we're calling them.
Prabhupāda: So there is no hurry. Go on with your respective duty. That's all. All right. Now you can...
Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break]
Prabhupāda: The system of management will go on as it is now. There is no need of changing. The money which is in my personal name in different banks, that is being spent for the society, and it will be society property. In this connection a few deposits, which is allowing some pension to the members of my former family, may not be touched. That's all, two points. Hm? What do you think? So...?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What can I suggest?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That in regard to the three temples, Māyāpura, Bombay and Vṛndāvana, you should designate who you want the trustees to be.
Prabhupāda: That I shall do.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And in regard to the money which is held in your name, which will be used for the society, that should also be... Your signature should be given as a power of attorney to two or three other persons.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Other than that, you already formed the Māyāpura-Vṛndāvana Trust. Everything is there.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: BBT is there.
Prabhupāda: These are the points.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And I have the numbers of your fixed deposits, so when you mention the former family members, we can specify which deposits they are.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they'll be no misunderstanding.
Prabhupāda: That is also lifetime.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In their lifetime, not beyond.
Prabhupāda: And after the demise the money belong to the society.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Society. That means the deposits will remain intact, and simply the interest will be given as a monthly stipend.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right now the interest is being given to M. M. De and to your...
Prabhupāda: Wife, M. M. De and Vṛndāvana, that's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those three. So we can mention that also, their names. And after their lifetime then the full amount and interest can be given back to the society.
Prabhupāda: This will be my will, and some of you will sign. That's all. That is sufficient.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. I'll make up a rough draft and keep it. If you ever want to, I can show.
Prabhupāda: That will...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You can also add to this that "Any properties which I own in my name..."
Prabhupāda: That also...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "...are society's..."
Prabhupāda: Belong to the society.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm?
Prabhupāda: Belong to the society.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. And you can again either have those... Same persons who were power of attorney to your signature can handle those properties, sign on your behalf if anything is required. I think the only place where there's properties in your name is in Māyāpura, so far I know. I remember you... I originally purchased the land. I think I purchased in your name.
Prabhupāda: So you have to decide how to manage very nicely. Otherwise will is also given.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So far calling the men here, you actually feel... You said this morning there are two things: surviving or preparing for departure. But actually you are feeling that, the latter, and how all of the GBC cannot be called. I think they...
Prabhupāda: So let... Let them come and be present.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let them come?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I have no... I have no objection.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They'd want to come. (long pause)
Prabhupāda: Hm? What you are thinking?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was just thinking that... I was remembering in Gorakhpur, Hari Prasad Podhar. So I was thinking that when Kṛṣṇa wants His devotee to come back to Him, then it seems like He gives the devotee notice. But it seems like you're... I mean, when you were in Bombay you were hoping very much to recover. Seems like you're not... You know... That will seems not to be so strong as it was then, maybe because there's been so many... You've made such a effort to get better and it still hasn't improved. So how long one can keep trying like that?
Prabhupāda: Therefore I do not wish to leave Vṛndāvana.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: If by Kṛṣṇa's desire I survive, then we shall see later on. Otherwise...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One thing I feel is that if a lot of these devotees, good devotees, come, that seeing them will also... I mean, there's no doubt, if Kṛṣṇa wants you to survive, that there's lots of good work that can still be done. That's for sure. So much, of course, has... Everything you've given us is complete, but if Kṛṣṇa likes, then still more could be done. And I think that seeing these devotees will be enthusing. You said, everything depends on utsāha, enthusiasm. So enthusiasm for living also depends on nice association of nice devotees. So if these devotees come, you may feel enthusiastic. Maybe encouragement. 'Cause they're not going to accept very easily that you should not be present.
Prabhupāda: I think this cooler keeps the whole block...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, it does. It does. I keep the wooden doors separating your room and my office open, and my room is quite cool. Only a curtain is there. Air blows through.
Prabhupāda: So let it go on like that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually—of course you don't want it—but if that other one is also turned on the whole bottom floor will be very cool. And the kus(?) , when they put that in—all these windows will have kus —then you will not know that you are in summer season. In fact, you won't even want to go upstairs at night. It'll be so cool down here. Of course, upstairs is good because open air.
Prabhupāda: The nail cutter, can you...? You know how to cut?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't know how to use the tool that you use. The kind I use is a different thing.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, it clips, and I think you use a knife of some kind.
Prabhupāda: No. You have got that clip?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I have a clipper.
Prabhupāda: That will be...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When do you want it done?
Prabhupāda: Oh, any time.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: After you wake up? Take rest now.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Here it is cooler or there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's much cooler... It's cooler in this room. It's more airy and it's cooler. Because that cooler is on. You hook up that other cooler in there and you'll get just as cool.
Prabhupāda: No... [break] (end)