771021 - Conversation A - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771021R1-VRNDAVAN - October 21, 1977 - 68:03 Minutes

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Australian books are sold out. I was thinking that you would be thinking about that. He has to print in bigger quantities.

Prabhupāda: Great amount. You have to appoint two, three more printers.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Gopāla says that the problem is not the printers, because they have offset presses, so to them, to print ten thousand, twenty thousand, fifty thousand doesn't really make much difference. The real issue is that he only had a certain amount of money up until now to work with. Now, if he gets more money available, he can easily print more books.

Prabhupāda: Money is there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I mean, that was his point up until now, because once you have an offset press, it's just as easy to print fifty thousand as ten thousand. It doesn't really change their situation so much.

Prabhupāda: Money, there is no scarcity.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. (pause)

Prabhupāda: Why kīrtana has stopped?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why kīrtana stopped?

Prabhupāda: Tired?

Upendra: No.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're not tired.

Upendra: They are hanging on for every word you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Hanging?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They were eager to hear your words.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Hmm. (break) dispensary . . . (indistinct) . . . e to ami bolechi to. (The dispensary . . . (indistinct) . . . I have already said.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: She to apni je rokom order korben. Ha besh to, besh to. Ami hoye ashi apnara e korun. Nishchoy hobe. (I will do as per your order. That's very good, very good. By the time I return, all of you can continue. It will definitely happen.) With the greatest pleasure. Apnar order. Apni eder bole din, era e korbe. (Your order. You tell them, they will do it.)

Prabhupāda: Ha bola ache. (They have been told.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Bola ache, besh. (They have been told? That's great.) With the greatest pleasure . . . Er che ar kichu hote . . . (There cannot be anything greater than . . .)

Guest: Apnara ekhane ekta room . . . ekhanei thakte paren (There is one room where you all . . . you can stay here.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ekhane ektay korbo ar oi thik dekhbo, oder shob children der dekhbo. Ekhane ekta room, tobe thakbar byabostha amar korte hobe. (I will work in one of the rooms here and take care of all their children. One room is there but there has to be some arrangement for my accommodation too.)

Prabhupāda: Ghor to royeche. (Rooms are there.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Sure . . . Tamala Krishna ke bole deben shob tale ami or shonge e korbo . . . (Please tell everything to Tamāla Kṛṣṇa. Then I will work along with him to . . .)

Prabhupāda: Je ghor apnar pochondo. (Whatever room you like.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ha apni . . . (Yes you . . .) thank you. (Sei thakbar e kore dile, ami ar kichu chai na. (All I need is some accomodation.)

Prabhupāda: Onek ghor ache, onek . . . (There are many rooms, many . . .)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Accha. Sei bolei nishcoy thakbo. Ami ajke anumati din. Ami . . . (Okay. Then I will definitely stay. Please grant me your leave today. I . . .)

Prabhupāda: Asun dada. (You can take leave.) You are welcome.

Dr. G. Ghosh: Accha. (Okay.) Thank you. She to amar pran diye, amar pran diye kaj korbo. (aside) Jal din. (I put my life and soul into this work. (aside) Give me some water.)

Prabhupāda: Apnar moton experience . . . (Your experience . . .)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ami to ar kichu chayni. Serve korte chai. Ar tar naam korte chai. Tini je eto diyechen, tar juggi hote chai. Ei ar kichu noy. (I have not asked for anything else. I want to serve and chant His name. He has given me so much but I am not qualified for that. That's all.)

Jayapatākā: Dr. Ghosh said he would even invest ten, fifteen thousand rupees in a dispensary, make it a very nice one.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Jayapatākā: He said he would donate money also for . . . even ten, fifteen thousand rupees, for making nice dispensary.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. G. Ghosh: She olpo-sholpo amar ja kichu . . . (Whatever little bit I have . . .) I am at the end of my resources. Ami to tirish cholish hajar taka diye diyechi aro kichu . . . ja kichu ache, parbo, debo . . . (I have given thirty to forty thousand rupees and anything more . . . whatever I have, if possible I will give . . .) I am ready. Kintu kotha ei hocche je apnar . . . (But the thing is that you . . .) you should also come forward and cooperate with me. Ei ar ki. (That's all.)

Prabhupāda: Mutual.

Dr. G. Ghosh: E to mutual. Ami to apnar . . . (It is mutual. I am your . . .)

Prabhupāda: Arambho karun, arambho korun. Aste aste shob . . . (You start, first start. Then gradually everything . . .)

Dr. G. Ghosh: She to korchi. (That I am doing.) Servant I am. (Besh, besh, besh. Tar kaj tini koran. Apnar ekhon ki koshto kichu, sharirik kahil . . . (indistinct) . . . (Fine, fine, fine. He makes everyone do His work. Now, you are in so much pain, physically weak . . .)

Prabhupāda: Sharirik bhabe, ei apnara shob bolchen, daktar kaviraj je ei khan ar ami khabar khabo na. (Physically, all of you are saying—the kavirāj is also saying that I should eat but I am unable to eat.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ha, ha. Khabar joto tukun parben. Dhire . . . olpo olpo bar bar. (Yes, yes. You should eat as much as you are able to. Slowly . . . little, little but frequently.) Every half an hour, an hour, just two teaspoons. Olpo olpo. Jibh ta ek bar dekhi apnar. Ha jibh to porishkar ache. (Little, little. Let me see your tongue. Okay, the tongue is quite clean.)

Prabhupāda: Amar khawar opor nirbhar korche? Kintu se ar khete . . . (Does it depend on my eating? But to eat . . .)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ha nourishment to . . . apnar . . . (indistinct) . . . bati ar tel, e duto to maintain korte hobe. Sheta jala . . . (laughs) tel phuriye gele ki bati phuriye gele kemon kore sheta jvalbe. Ei hocche kotha. (Yes, nourishment is . . . your . . . (indistinct) . . . both the wick and the oil have to be supplied. To keep it burning . . . (laughs) If the oil runs out or the wick gets burnt completely, then how can the lamp keep burning? This is the matter.) Whole truth.

Prabhupāda: Daktaro bolche, kavirajo bolche khan ar ami parina khete. (The Doctor is saying, kavirāj is also telling me to eat, but I can't.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Oi ektu ektu. (Only very little.) Small quantities frequently. Small quantities frequently. Apnar sheba jotno to korche ora. (They are taking care of you nicely.)

Prabhupāda: Sheba to truti nei. (There is no shortcoming in their service.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ha, khub. Rajara pay na e rokom sheba. (laughs) Bhagavan Sri Krishner kripa. Accha, accha (Yes, very much. Even kings don't receive such service. (laughs) It is the mercy of Lord Kṛṣṇa.)

Prabhupāda: . . . rajar ar ki? Always aat dosh jon . . . (indistinct) . . . apni eshe eta arambho korun. Je bhabe apnar chai shob . . . (what is royal about it? There are always eight to ten people . . . (indistinct) . . . you come and start it. All the way you want.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Accha, accha. Jak se eder Tamala Krishna ke order kore diye, eder e kore deben. (Okay I see. So just dictate everything to Tamāla Kṛṣṇa, explain it to them.) We just take orders from him. Whatever he says, it will be done. You see, I am always at your service. And whatever instruction, I . . . today I am going to Allahabad . . .

Prabhupāda: Apni, (You) immediately come. Immediately come. Eshe arambho korun. (Come and start this.)

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ha, ha. Accha, accha. (Yes, yes. Okay.) All right. Consider me as your servant. I'm always ready to serve you. Ar . . . (indistinct) . . . Lord's wish. Ei shorir ta kodin thakbe tao bola jaye na. Dekhchen to amader tel ar bati phuriye asche pradipe tobe amar kono chinta nei. E jekhanei deha rakhi. Ha. Tin tar kaj tini koran. Ajibon hoyeche, kokhono ek saptah bichanay podi ni. (And . . . (indistinct) . . . the Lord's wish. No one knows how long this body will be with me. As you see, the oil and wick in our lamps are getting exhausted. But I have nothing to worry about, no matter where I leave my body. He makes everyone do His work. This has been true throughout my life. I have never fallen sick for even a week.) I've never been confined to bed in these long years. Kokhono nije oshudh khayni. (I have never taken any medicine.) I have given medicine to lakhs and lakhs of people, but I myself have never taken any. No kichu. Tar erokom kripa. To shei tini koraben, tini ja kaj koraben korbo. (Absolutely nothing. Such is the mercy of the Lord. So He will make everything happen. Whatever He makes me do, I will do.) I am always ready. I am free now, absolutely free, Ar je kaje lagaben . . . (Wherever you engage me . . .) with full energy.

Prabhupāda: Apnar life khub successful Apnar chelera shob manush hoye geche. Apnar family life successful. Amar family life failure. (Your life is very successful. All your sons have grown up into worthy men. Your family life is very successful. My family life was a failure.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your spiritual family life . . .

Dr. G. Ghosh: Amar kono dike kono chinta nei. Uni eto diyechen tar juggi ami noi. Ei bhai. Ashirvad korun jate e hoye jaye ar baki tar, sheshkale tar paye mitiye jete pari. Bas. Accha tahole agya din. (I have nothing to worry about. The Lord has given me so much although I am not eligible for it. This is a fact. Bless me so that this endeavor becomes successful, and at the end of my life I can surrender unto His lotus feet. Please grant me your leave now.)

Prabhupāda: We started life together. His life, family life, is very successful, and my family life is . . .

Jayapatākā: So better to have an unsuccessful family life, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and be successful in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Prabhupāda: And done big, big business. Eh? Whatever Kṛṣṇa wanted to bring me, to do this work. Anyway . . . so I was sleeping?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. You slept many, many, many hours. How do you feel?

Prabhupāda: Yes, feel good. In the morning part there is sleep, at night there is . . . never mind.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's your old habit.

Prabhupāda: Even it is scratching . . . yes. When I sleep, then do not disturb.

Upendra: When he sleeps, don't disturb.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no. He doesn't get disturbed when he sleeps. (pause)

Jayapatākā: All the devotees are eager that in this way, if you can frequently eat little bit, little bit, then gradually you can gain some strength.

Prabhupāda: What is the time now?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: About 9:20. Nearly 9:30. You've slept a long time. And you slept at night pretty much also, Śatadhanya Mahārāja reports. Would you like to hear some special kīrtana?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bharadvāja is here. He can sing any song you'd like to hear especially this morning.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is there some special request?

Prabhupāda: Bharadvāja is the best artist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bharadvāja?

Prabhupāda: Best artist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Best artist. He also sings very sweetly.

Prabhupāda: Artist means that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Would you like to hear Hari Haraye Namaḥ? Should he play with harmonium? Okay. And we'll all accompany?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. (background whispering) (kīrtana) (break)

Prabhupāda: So urine is being stopped.

Upendra: Prabhupāda just tried for urine and passed about 10.

Prabhupāda: This is the last.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should I just see why? If I look at the book I can give you some information.

Prabhupāda: Not in the book. Yes, you can see.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yesterday you took about 650 cc's to drink. You passed in urine about 450, plus you passed stool, another 150 to 200. So yesterday you passed almost as much as you drank, so there's nothing balance left today. Today you've taken about 100, 200 cc's to drink, and you've already passed over 100 of urine, so it's not very surprising that you're not passing much urine right now, 'cause you haven't drank very much.

Prabhupāda: So it depends on my drinking.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, definitely. If you don't drink, then you won't pass urine.

Prabhupāda: Then? I cannot drink. I am drinking.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. As much as you're drinking, you're passing urine. As you're drinking, you're passing urine.

Prabhupāda: But I have no desire to drink even.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then you won't pass urine.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Urine comes from . . . it's a liquid. So you have to take in liquid.

Prabhupāda: Eh. Then consult kavirāja.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't understand what you . . . you want to pass urine without drinking?

Prabhupāda: No, I am prepared to drink.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So then drink. Drink something then.

Prabhupāda: Give me.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Then after a while you'll pass urine automatically. Just like remember the day that you set your record of 1,000 cc's that you drank? On that day you passed also nearly 500 cc's urine. So depending upon how much you drink, that much you'll pass as urine.

Prabhupāda: Then what is the value of medicine?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You mean if you don't take the medicine will . . . your question is that, "If I stop taking medicine, will I continue to pass urine?" I think so. Medicine was . . . there was a . . . for some time your urine had become very dark. So the medicine was supposed to clear it up. Now your urine is clear. And, of course, the medicine was also supposed to help you to recover your strength, but that has not happened. At least we cannot see that there's any noticeable change in your strength.

Prabhupāda: Nava-yogendra? The presentation which you have brought may not be required here. Better sell them and engage there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sell them and engage there in Mombassa.

Nava-yogendra: What? Which I brought here?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You mean those plates and things, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Anything, presentation, for the time being there is no need. Better invest the money there to develop.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda wants you to invest whatever . . . 'cause he's not eating so much, he says. So better to use the money and invest it in Mombassa for development there. That temple is very good, I think.

Prabhupāda: Kavirājī's medicine was helping stop the passing of . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kavirājī's medicine was what, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Helping through medicine passing of urine. Of course, I'll drink, but what is the use of then the allopathic?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, as I explained, the purpose of the allopathic was that during the time when your urine became very dark, we wanted to make it, you know, take away the poisons that were causing the urine to become dark. Now your urine is not dark anymore. That was one main thing. And the other thing was that we were hoping somehow to get you back to more strength, give you more strength by taking away whatever disease was there.

Prabhupāda: Jaya Nitāi-Gaura. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda, śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Drinking is very good. Whatever you go, kavirājī, allopathy, or Hare Kṛṣṇa devotees, all of them recommend drinking some liquids or eating. Of course, eating is . . . you are having a little difficulty eating, of course. Eating or drinking is good.

Prabhupāda: Let kīrtana go on.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I told them.

Prabhupāda: Nitāi-Gaura. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti (BS 5.38), (Tamāla Kṛṣṇa recites with Prabhupāda) yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. Śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpam. Still the śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpam is going on; otherwise, we are simply some bones, nothing else. Everything is finished. Nitāi-Gaura and rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan (Tamāla Kṛṣṇa recites with Prabhupāda) nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu, kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ sama . . . (BS 5.39). (aside) You can give massage. Hmm. So what is the next drinking?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the next drinking? Make something nice.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Bhavānanda: It's cold custard.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Want some cold custard?

Prabhupāda: Whatever you give, I'll take.

Nava-yogendra: Śrīla Prabhupāda? This dream that you were walking . . . I became very happy.

(background whispering)

Bhavānanda: This is grape juice.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Take some grape juice, Śrīla Prabhupāda. That is the old reliable.

Prabhupāda: So?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You'll have to sit up. Is that all right? (break) These are very favorite preparations. Today is Rāma Vijaya Utsava. Also the appearance day of Śrī Madhvācārya. So you should have a feast today, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (laughter) So maybe Pisimā should do some cooking to celebrate this day. It is a very big . . . Dr. Ghosh told me that amongst the Bengali community . . .

Prabhupāda: No, all over India.

Pisimā: All over India.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And also Durgā-pūjā is today.

Prabhupāda: Vijayotsava. Today Rāmacandra conquered over Rāvaṇa.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So to celebrate that, shouldn't Pisimā do some cooking?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Laddu.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And you'll taste a little of each thing?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. I'll take. (break)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . today, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Maybe the medicines are having some good effect. (break) Today is Vijayotsava.

Pisimā: Ki ranna hobe? (What is the menu?) . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Bhavānanda: Utsava.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāma Vijayotsava. Speak in Hindi.

Nava-yogendra: Aj Rama Vijay Mahotsava hai. (Today is Rāma Vijayotsava.)

Prabhupāda: Hard of hearing. (laughter)

Bhavānanda: (loudly) Ajke Rama Vijay utsava. Onek prasad. (Today is Rāma Vijayotsava. Lots of prasādam.)

Pisimā: Onek prasad. (Lots of prasādam.)

Bhavānanda: Apni onek prasad korben. Ei laddu, laddu. (You have to cook lots of prasādam. Like laddu, laddu.)

Pisimā: Laddu.

Bhavānanda: Laddu.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda asked for laddu.

Prabhupāda: Bonder laddu. (Bundi laddu.)

Nava-yogendra: Laddu, laddu.

Pisimā: Laddu.

Nava-yogendra: Bundi laddu.

Bhavānanda: Lucī?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Pisimā: Lucī.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. She will cook a feast to celebrate the day, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and you have to also take part. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . such a way he'll call laughing. Gravity should be maintained.

Devotees: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: And laughing means taking things trifling. That is not allowed. This is the etiquette. That is what we are teaching. You are simple, but this is the etiquette. Understand me right or not?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We understand very well. We apologize for that we were taking too lightly. (pause)

Prabhupāda: So, whatever Nava-yogendra has presented, let it be sold and utilized . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For Mombassa. Okay.

Prabhupāda: Mmm. Sometimes presentations are sold at higher price by bid. Yes. That is the way.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By bid.

Bharadvāja: (aside) Amongst the devotees? (indistinct whispered discussion about how to do this)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The most valuable thing, you gave to Gurukṛpā Mahārāja—conchshell. But he did not pay anything for it.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. He'll worship. Jaya Nitāi-Gaura.

śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda

śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda

hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare

hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan

nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu

kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo

govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi

(BS 5.39)

premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena

santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti

yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ

govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi

(BS 5.38)

These mantra should always be chanted. That will do great benefit to me. Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Prabhupāda. Should we chant it now?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.

Bharadvāja: Those two, or all the Brahma-saṁhitā?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All the Brahma-saṁhitā? Or those two in particular?

Prabhupāda:

śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda

śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda

hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare

hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

This is from Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Then Brahma-saṁhitā:

rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan

nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu

kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo

govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi

(BS 5.39)

Then again from Brahma-saṁhitā, premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu (BS 5.38). These mantras should be recited so that I can hear, you can hear, occasionally. And kīrtana must go on. And physically, massage. Sometimes that Brahmi oil massage on the head. (break) Tran . . . whatever I have done in this state, is it going right?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayādvaita?

Jayādvaita: Everything that you've translated is edited so far, except for the last two sittings. It's coming out very nicely. Now by your instruction to concentrate on Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura's commentary, I think it will become even more clear, because Pradyumna will be able to give the English more easily.

Prabhupāda: So do it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You want to do some just now?

Prabhupāda: Yes, one or two lines. Let us . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Yadubara wanted to film you translating. Is that all right? You don't mind. Okay. We can have a little light here while he films for about a half a minute? It wouldn't disturb you.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara is good devotee.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yadubara is a good devotee. Very dedicated devotee. You remember he cooked bati-chachari very nice also for you. He was cooking for you in Hrishikesh, massaging. Very intelligent.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His wife is also intelligent, Viśākhā.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has become first devotee.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Has become what, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Devotee: First devotee.

Prabhupāda: First devotee before his wife.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: First devotee before his wife, yes. You convinced him. He did not come here thinking to become a devotee. Remember, he came for photography work.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But his good fortune was that he chose to photograph you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and the devotees. So he became very attracted. (background whispering)

Prabhupāda: Hmm? What is that?

Hari-śauri: Just going to get him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're just getting Pradyumna.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has freedom.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has freedom to do anything.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yadubara? Has freedom to do anything.

Prabhupāda: Ha.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (chuckles) I think that will make his service very enhanced to know that. (break)

Jayādvaita: This is the best association, to be associated with you while you're serving Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Brahmānanda: You always wanted this, Prabhupāda, to have your editors with you in the same place where you are doing your books.

Prabhupāda: Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore said, miche māyār bośe, jāccho bhese. The whole world is being washed away by the waves of material nature. Māyār vāsana. Vairāja. When we understand that everything is being washed away . . . that is viśva-rūpa. Kṛṣṇa went . . . from mouth everything is coming out. If you want to stop it, then this is the chance, human life. Hmm. This is viśva-rūpa. (break) . . . the same field. (break) (kīrtana)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Chant loudly. (kīrtana gets louder) (break)

Bhavānanda: Very early this morning. (break) Tamāla and all of us have met and thought that "Let us . . ." Our position is to serve you according to your desire. Since you didn't request any medicines, we felt that we shouldn't try to . . . from what we've seen, today you've rested very much deep sleep, and the vomitous nausea has disappeared. But you haven't passed very much urine today. One reason is that you were taking that mild dialysis medicine. For the past three days you've been taking medicine to help you pass urine. So usually when you stop taking that medicine, it takes a day or two for the urine function to start naturally again.

Prabhupāda: No medicine.

Bhavānanda: Sorry, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: No medicine. What is that medicine?

Bhavānanda: I'm sorry?

Prabhupāda: What is that medicine?

Bhavānanda: There's so many medicines, but today you haven't taken any. There is medicine for the infection in the kidney. There's medicine for the heart. There's medicine for passing urine. There's medicine for preventing any cough in the lung. There's vitamin supplement.

Prabhupāda: So how many I shall take?

Bhavānanda: That's five different medicines. We felt yesterday that your . . . when the doctor came, you told us that to take so many medicines is disgusting, and that it bothers your brain. And I know that I personally felt that my position is simply to follow your instruction and command as my very life and soul, not to try and force my idea or my feeling onto Your Divine Grace. So we all of us felt that you had given us so many hints.

Prabhupāda: So medicine, kīrtana.

Bhavānanda: Medicine is kīrtana. Enechi auṣadhi māyā. (kīrtana) (break)

Prabhupāda: The sleeping medicine he has given?

Bhavānanda: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There's no sleeping medicine.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: See, Prabhupāda, today you haven't taken any medicine. So Bhavānanda Mahārāja is simply . . . was asking whether if you want any medicine.

Prabhupāda: What for?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So that's why we didn't give you any. It was our opinion that you probably didn't want any. Just like this morning you asked me for miśri-jala at five, six o'clock when I was on duty. So normally they give you a pill also for helping to pass urine. So my reasoning was that, well, you didn't ask me for the pill, you simply asked me for miśri-jala, so I just gave you miśri-jala. Formerly, even if you didn't ask, we were encouraging you, "Please take medicine, please take medicine, please take medicine." So today we decided that whatever you ask, that we will do. So therefore, as you did not ask for medicine, we didn't give any medicine. This is not done on any doctor's instruction, that we're giving or not giving, but simply we felt whatever you ask us to do, you have perfect knowledge and perfect understanding, and everything we've ever done in this movement is on your direction, so you direct what you want to be done. If you want the doctor to come, then the doctor will come. If you want to take his medicine, then you can take. And we can give our opinion, but it's not our duty to . . . it's not good for us to over . . . to too much push something upon Your Divine Grace. If you want to have the kavirāja, then we can call the kavirāja. Whatever Your Divine Grace considers to be the best course of action, that should be taken up. At least that was our understanding.

Bhavānanda: Under your direction, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you have single-handedly spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness over the entire world. And our position has always been to try and follow your instruction to the letter as our life and soul.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You're not unconscious, so the question does not arise that we have to decide on our own what to do. You're perfectly conscious. So we should simply take your direction. I think we can wait until tomorrow and see what the results of not taking any medicine are. If you want to, you could do that. (break)

Bhavānanda: Our Bengali devotees, they brought you big basket of ḍāb. Can they have some kīrtana? (break)

Dr. Gopal: Eta bolar hocche je jodi amake kono proyojan hoye ekhane ashar jonne tahole . . . (indistinct) . . . diye ektu khobor deben. Ami shonge shonge aste parbo. Kono rokom ar e hobe na. Ar ota to ami oke bole diyechi. E chada ar karor kichu bolar ache. Apnader Vrindavan khub gorom. Duta ekti byapar ar kichu. (The purpose of saying this is that if there's any requirement for me to come here then . . . (indistinct) . . . send a message through him. I can come immediately. There will be no more problems. And I have already informed him about that. Other than this, if anyone has anything to say. It is very hot in Vrindavan. A few more things are there to be discussed.)

Prabhupāda: Amar ar bolar ar kichu nei (I have nothing more to say) . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Dr. Gopal: E ami pouche khobor diye debo. (I will send information after reaching there.)

Prabhupāda: Thakata noshto na hoye (The stay should not get wasted) . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Dr. Gopal: Thik ache amader dik theke jotota koroniyo amra kichu korbo. (From our side, we will definitely do our duty.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Dr. Gopal: Ar . . . (indistinct) . . . kodin thakchen? Ar ami Bhakti Caru Swami keo bolchi je kono rokom kono proyojon hole ami shonge shonge eshe podhte parbo. (And . . . (indistinct) . . . how many days are they staying? I told Bhakti Caru Swami that if there is any emergency, I can come immediately.) (end)