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Prabhupāda: Now nobody can. After, no darśana.
Hari-śauri: I told him darśana's finished.
<div class="code">770219R1-MAYAPUR - February 19, 1977 - 3:51 Minutes</div>
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's all. Where is Tamāla Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: . . . and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.
Ādi-keśava: I was wondering, I've been... While in New York I've been worshiping the Deities, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, but now, because of this case, I'm forced to travel more between some of the temples and because of the legal work. So I was thinking to take some Deities with me to worship wherever I go.
Hari-śauri: No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Sannyāsī is not required.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs)
Ādi-keśava: All right.
Hari-śauri: Will things get physically violent?
Bhakti-caru(?): Are there any mūrti, having?
Prabhupāda: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.
Prabhupāda: No. A sannyāsī's not required. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when he was traveling, He was not carrying any Deity. Deity worship is specially recommended for the gṛhasthas. That is compulsory.
Hari-śauri: We should . . . if we have to, we can . . .
Ādi-keśava: In the temples we should always recommend the gṛhasthas to worship the Deity.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We must . . . self-protection must be there.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Just like our Rādhā-Dāmodara temple, it was established... This temple was established by Jīva Gosvāmī. He was brahmacārī. So how these gosvāmīs, they are worshiping? He had no sons. It was... The temple was established by him, but the worship was transferred to the gṛhasthas bhakta. So they are doing by generation. All these Vṛndāvana temples, Govindajī temple, Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple, Rādhā-Dāmodara. Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple, he was also brahmacārī, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa. He did not marry. Jīva Gosvāmī was brahmacārī. Sanātana Gosvāmī and Rūpa Gosvāmī, they sannyāsīs. So how these gṛhasthas got this sevā ? They were disciples, gṛhasthas. So gṛhastha disciples were meant for worshiping Deity. And others, they are meant for preaching. This is the primary principle. So if you are engaged in preaching... Deity worship, it must be done in scheduled time, this time, this time, this time. Then that is very difficult for you. Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not do that. He was traveling alone, preaching, preaching. So it will be great burden to carry Deity. But in preaching work, when you are many, you are carrying Deity in the bus. That is good, there are others, some nice engage, that is temple life. But personally if you carry some Deity, it will be troublesome. It will be hampering your preaching work.
Hari-śauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to . . .
Ādi-keśava: What about in the temples, when we're visiting the temples? The temples we're visiting now... That book that Jayatīrtha was making on Deity worship following from the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa, he told me he is making on your order to make a standard of Deity worship. That is the standard we should be advising the temples to follow?
Prabhupāda: Fight!
Prabhupāda: Yes. Make it simplified. At the present moment, especially in the Western countries, it is not possible to follow very elaborate program, but what I have given already, that is sufficient, six times worshiping, ārati, just like here going on, just like the same program. Not to make it difficult thing, because with the advancement of Kali-yuga, more difficulties are coming. So simple, things should be simplified. That is wanted. [break] Go on preaching from one place to another, another place. Mahā-vicalanam. Mahātmās should walk. Vicalanam, "movement." Just like I was in Vṛndāvana. If I had not moved, then this movement would not have been started. Because I moved at the age of seventy years, something is now tangible. So similarly, every sannyāsī should move from place to place. Parivrājakācārya, that is... Ācārya means teacher, and parivrāja, movement. Bhavānanda Mahārāja has become very popular in Bengal. You can move from village to village. People will like you. You can speak little Bengali?
Hari-śauri: Then we'll have to fight.
Bhavānanda: Little bit.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.
Prabhupāda: That is all right.
Hari-śauri: Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?
Bhavānanda: Just ek arci.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that, "Here is a deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!
Prabhupāda: Tomār kāmanā āche? (laughter) That's... Āmi bāṅgalā boli nā, "I can't speak Bengali very well," bolete pari nā. They like it, to hear. There is nothing new. If you simply... You can read Bengali also?
Hari-śauri: And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.
Bhavānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. Then Bhagavad-gītā, that's all. People like ācāra, behavior. That is main thing. And nobody wants to check you, whether you know Bengali or Hindi. They see the person, that "Here is a Vaiṣṇava." Oh, then it is all right.
Prabhupāda: Hm. So Acyutānanda has come. You all sannyāsīs may, one or two, remain here. And kīrtana party-Acyutānanda, he has got minibus.
Hari-śauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.
Bhavānanda: Yes, I was going to fill the bus and Your Divine Grace's car and one, Abhirāma's car. Jayapatākā Mahārāja is in Calcutta, and he's returning tomorrow morning, so he thought that he would stop in Chakdaha.
Prabhupāda: There is civil war. Why not this?
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Hari-śauri: Yes. This is . . . this is a big fight now.
Bhavānanda: But we're very, very busy, Jayapatākā and I, because the festival is coming up. Would it be all right if I stayed back? I make all the arrangements, but stay behind to supervise it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, as you think best. [break] ...heavy duty, to fight with the demons. So on the whole, our book sale is hampered or not for this propaganda?
Hari-śauri: (laughs) You're the world's greatest revolutionary. (Prabhupāda laughs) (break) Now that we're being attacked like this physically . . .
Tripurāri: I don't think so.
Prabhupāda: So we must attack them also.
Prabhupāda: That is... Then it our triumph. You don't mind all this.
Hari-śauri: Should we actually have a training program, so that our . . .
Ādi-keśava: In some way I think it improves it...
Prabhupāda: No.
Prabhupāda: Improves. (chuckling)
Hari-śauri: . . . we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying ''varṇāśrama ''. . .
Ādi-keśava: ...because everyone is hearing about Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is our gain. I think it will improve our position.
Hari-śauri: . . . system there must be ''kṣatriya ''and everything like that.
Ādi-keśava: Improve our position.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: By this agitation our position will be improved. Prahlāda Mahārāja was suppressed in so many means. What was loss on his part? He improved more and more, more and more. If Christ were not crucified, then his cult would not have spread so much all over the world. The Christian cult was spread all over the world after demise of Christ, not during his time. Is it not?
Hari-śauri: Should we actually start to . . .
Satsvarūpa: Yes. The history was that there were many... At that time there many, many cults, and that was just another cult during the Roman Empire, and then that cult became very, very dominant.
Prabhupāda: Train.
Prabhupāda: Because he was persecuted, his cult became so spread.
Hari-śauri: . . . train up some of our men so they know how to fight?
Devotee: In Brazil, Śrīla Prabhupāda, we make a twenty minutes' in television, very, very nice.
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?
Prabhupāda: In Brazil.
Hari-śauri: 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't . . . they're not . . .
Devotee: Yes. Very many saw that. All, the whole Brazil saw that, Pañca-tattva...
Prabhupāda: They are not trained up.
Prabhupāda: They have captured our books?
Hari-śauri: . . . trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional ''guṇḍās''.
Devotee: In Argentina. Argentina is a different mode, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Very, very...
Prabhupāda: That . . .? What is that? "Kirat?" They practice self-defense?
Prabhupāda: Why? Argentina is a Communist country?
Hari-śauri: Karate.
Devotee: No. They're like a Third World country, Third World. There's a lot of Communists inside the country.
Prabhupāda: Karate.
Prabhupāda: Third World? What is that?
Hari-śauri: There's different forms of self-defense. (end)
Hari-śauri: Third World. They refer to the Arab republics, like that. They call them the Third World.
Devotee: They don't participate with the Communist countries, and they also don't participate up there, United...
Prabhupāda: Third World? We have no place there? We want Fourth World? Or what is that? (laughter)
Tripurāri: I think there is more animal slaughter in Argentina than anywhere in the world.
Prabhupāda: Most sinful.
Ādi-keśava: That is the national industry there, cattle slaughter.
Prabhupāda: It has become national industry in Africa also.
Hari-śauri: And Australia...
Prabhupāda: Australia.
Hari-śauri: ...New Zealand.
Prabhupāda: Therefore the world is suffering, so much sinful activities. The greatest sinful activity is cow slaughter, and they are committing. They do not know what will be the result. Such brain, stool, stool-bound brain. Thorough overhaul is required. That we are doing. Otherwise the stool cannot be cleansed. (Bengali) (end)
