751211 - Morning Walk - Vrndavana
Woman Devotee: I'm trying to collect for making vases.
Prabhupāda: Hm? What is that?
Devotee: She's making vases, flower arrangements.
Akṣayānanda Swami: ...only had one sweeper so I wasn't able to engage him, but I got some soda to do it with. Hopefully today this morning he will start.
Prabhupāda: Bicycle was available, forty-five rupees.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Accha. Now they're 250 almost three hundred rupees.
Prabhupāda: And very first class bicycle like Triumph BA. BA? What is that, BS?
Akṣayānanda Swami: BSA.
Prabhupāda: Ha, BSA. Eighty rupees, eighty-five.
Harikeśa: Viśvambhara's cost 500.
Prabhupāda: Now that must be. Everything has risen.
Smarahari: ....material is not so good also, the material.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Smarahari: The steel is not so good.
Prabhupāda: Now?
Devotee: (indistinct) Now, (degraded?)...
Akṣayānanda Swami: Price has risen and quality has lessened. (pause) Prabhupāda, you know the ISKCON centres you have started they are just like actually Vaikuṇṭha, they are so nice. Even the Gauḍīya Matha centres were not so nice. Just like an installation of Vaikuṇṭha. They're so clean and nice. (indistinct) ...help becoming devotees by visiting your centers. Becomes almost automatic.
Prabhupāda: Follow the regulative principles, it will remain, always Vaikuṇṭha. Otherwise again material world.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Free hotel. (laughs) That's all. And free hotel will not endure.
Akṣayānanda Swami: No.
Prabhupāda: Svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. By service spirit beginning with tongue Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is revealed, Vaikuṇṭha atmosphere... Sethji has not come out.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Of course we accept, ah, when you tell us to chant sixteen rounds, we accept that figure as being, in perfect faith, that you're the ācārya, but ah, what if others we wanted to convince, is there any, any ah, śāstr... Is there any Vedic verse we can refer to to corroborate that at least they must chant sixteen rounds. Or that many number of names?
Prabhupāda: No. In the śāstra it is not said like that...
Akṣayānanda Swami: I see.
Prabhupāda: It is said, śaṅkhy-pūrvakaḥ...
Akṣayānanda Swami: Śaṅkhy-pūrvakaḥ.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Counting.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up in numerical strength.
Akṣayānanda Swami: I see.
Prabhupāda: Whatever you can.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But I have fixed up sixteen rounds, because you cannot do.
Akṣayānanda Swami: That's all we can do.
Prabhupāda: (smiling, touch of irony) Yes. That also is difficult.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. (laughing)
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, Haridāsa Ṭhākura was chanting 300,000. So, That is not possible. You should not imitate, but whatever you fix up you must do.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. I was told in the beginning you asked the first disciples to chant 64 rounds?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I asked them to chant 32?
Prabhupāda: (grinning) Hm.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Is that correct?
Prabhupāda: Śaṅkhy-pūrvaka nāma-gaṇa-natibhiḥ. Śaṅkhya purva, or numerical strength must be there. And you should follow rigidly.
Akṣayānanda Swami: So if, if we are serious and sincere, it means that that sixteen will increase to, ah, to continuously chanting.
Prabhupāda: You can do also now. It's not that because I've finished sixteen rounds...
Akṣayānanda Swami: No.
Prabhupāda: You can increase. But that sixteen must be finished.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. (pause) What I mean is, that's to bring us to the platform of chanting constantly. That at least we do that numerical number, finally we may be able to do, if we're fortunate to chant constantly day and night.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Akṣayānanda Swami: Some of the members of the Gauḍīya Matha who say they chant 64 rounds, they are unable to ah, ahh, refrain from sleeping too much, from eating too much.
Prabhupāda: How do you know that he's eating too much?
Akṣayānanda Swami: I was staying at one about a year ago. When I was travelling I stayed a few days at some of the places. At night they would have a whole meal...
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Akṣayānanda Swami: ...big, big meal. They would be sitting eating for one hour. Then in the morning they were all tired and very dull.
Prabhupāda: Huh huh. (laughing)
Akṣayānanda Swami: Then again at lunch time and after that again sleep. They couldn't do anything else, there was no time for preaching or for distributing books or... But yet they were supposed to be doing 64 rounds. That was in Vishakapatnam.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Akṣayānanda Swami: They were all very fat.
Prabhupāda: What is time now?
Devotee: Five to seven. ...here now. I've never been there but I heard there are a lot.. reports Cit-sukhānanda prabhu is there now.
Prabhupāda: Haa.
Akṣayānanda Swami: ...(Gauḍīya Maṭha) devotees, your godbrothers and the older devotees are all looking to be pretty alright, but the younger ones, our age, they are unable to continue...
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa (to a bypasser).
Akṣayānanda Swami: ...keep the standard. And many of them they have tried to come and join us.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Akṣayānanda Swami: Many of them, they ask to join us even though they are initiated by others. So should we allow them to come or...?
Prabhupāda: No.
Akṣayānanda Swami: No. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure about that.
Prabhupāda: Why they want to join?
Akṣayānanda Swami: Because in their centers there's no, there doesn't seem to be so much transcendental activity like you have given us. They don't get that. And if they come and see us they see the devotees are dancing and happy and engaged. The conditions are clean and so on...
Prabhupāda: So, you can try one or two. If you find that they're alright...
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. Doesn't matter.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause) We can purchase some of those fields but where is the man? We can grow our own food. (slight pause) They have now learned from the Western countries to run! (jogger goes past) (laughs) And without caring for the field. Hm? Field working is very troublesome and this running is very easy.
Hari-śauri: Running out of breath. (pause) Meets some one on the road.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Man: (mumbling) ...Only Māyāpur, eh, Caitanya Chandrodaya Mandir temple is ahh, undoubtedly, eh, ahh Hari.. ahh, eheḥ, ahh, (mumbles something more)
Prabhupāda: Scientists say, is there any living entity in the sun globe?
Akṣayānanda Swami: No. They don't, they say there's nothing.
Prabhupāda: Simply everything here?
Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. That's what they say.
Prabhupāda: And especially in Europe and America! (everyone laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa! They say there is nothing. They have gone there? They have seen?
Akṣayānanda Swami: Not very intelligent.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Akṣayānanda Swami: Not very intelligent... [break]
Jñāna: ...nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen...
Prabhupāda: So who, who put all this energy there? Where from nitrogen came?
Jñāna: That they don't know.
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. They do not know, something, and they are speaking on the subject matter. Is it not nonsense?
Harikeśa: We know there's no life on the sun because we can look at a fire here and we see there's no life.
Prabhupāda: But you are blind. You have no eyes to see.
Harikeśa: Well we have our instruments and we look through...
Prabhupāda: So what is the use of it? Anything made by rascal, is that perfect?
Harikeśa: Well it's better than some mythological book!
Prabhupāda: No, book also, you write book and you want to believe, others your book. That is also book. Why do you write scientific book?
Harikeśa: Well they're proven, those other books...
Prabhupāda: What is proven? You cannot say what is the chemical there, wherefrom came. Is that proof? "We cannot say." Is that proof?
Harikeśa: Well we know how they interact. We may not know how they got here but we know what they do once they are here.
Prabhupāda: No... Knowledge means to find out the source. That is knowledge. Where from it comes. There is a good example we studied in our childhood. A child was very intelligent so he was beating on a drum, so he was very much inquisitive, "Where from the sound is coming?" Then he cut the surface... (laughing) That is intelligence. Inquisitive... where from the sound is coming? Although it was childish but that is innate intelligence.
Hari-śauri: Scientists are trying to do that. They are taking...
Prabhupāda: And that is alright. In future! (laughter)
Smarahari: The scientists say that the sun is made of certain elements and all the stars they are made of the same...
Prabhupāda: Then why don't you make an imitation sun here? At night so that you may save so many expenses. So much expenses for electric. The rascal. If you know the chemicals then you make it. Ha? What do they say?
Smarahari: They say there are many suns... but...
Prabhupāda: That's alright. Make you one sun, if you know! Many suns but you have not made anyone of them. You just try to make one, then I shall see your intelligence. Huh? What do you say? Anybody?
Akṣayānanda Swami: They cannot do.
Devotee (1) (woman): They don't have enough power.
Prabhupāda: Huh? Then why do you say nonsense! If you have not enough power there must be somebody powerful than you—you have to admit that—who has made all these things. But you are rascal you have not... You are simply, ahh, what is called? Speculating. That in future we shall be powerful. But the powerful is already there. What is your credit? More powerful-) you cannot conceive even how powerful He a scientist. Huh? Is that alright? What is your value? The already powerful is there, who has manufactured these things. And you are expecting in future you'll be powerful; therefore you are more powerful. Just see their folly. If you are powerful then make it, another imitation sun.
Harikeśa: (half joking) I'm seriously speaking, if we made another one the whole place would become too hot.
Prabhupāda: Hah. So you are scientist, you protect yourself. (laughter)
Devotee (2): Scientists aren't very intelligent because today he big thing in the country politically is that whole world thinks they are running out of energy on one hand, and on the other hand the whole world believes that the scientists can solve all the problems and get to know the absolute truth but if they...
Prabhupāda: They are creating problems.
Devotee (2): Yes, they're creating problems.
Prabhupāda: (sounds of lots of birds in background) (stops) Birds and beasts, they're living without any scientists—they're more happy.
Harikeśa: But they're freezing in the cold and they're...
Prabhupāda: No, no one is freezing. That is you are speaking but they are not freezing. Even int the coldest part of the country, Greenland, the animals are living quite nicely. The birds and many animals.
Hari-śauri: But if we preach like that to them, then they'll say 'then what's wrong with becoming an animal then'?
Prabhupāda: Huh? But you are less than an animal. Talking nonsense. Put forward the problems, summarise janma-mṛtyu-jar-vyādhi solve these problems.
Harikeśa: Well we can solve the problem of birth by just killing all the children.
Prabhupāda: (laughing) That is not solving, the birth is already there, therefore you are killing. (everyone laughing)
Akṣayānanda Swami: Birth is still there.
Prabhupāda: No. Because there is birth therefore you are killing. So birth problem is not solved.
Harikeśa: No, no, no. We're killing before birth.
Prabhupāda: What is this before birth. The child is already there... mother's womb.
Prabhupāda: Ah. That is you rascal you can say. Unless he has (sic) no life, how it is growing? Such a rascal...
Harikeśa: It's a lump.
Prabhupāda: ...they cannot understand. Does a dead child grow? Simply speaking nonsense!
Harikeśa: That's their whole argument for abortion.
Prabhupāda: That's alright but...
Harikeśa: You just finished it! (laughing)
Prabhupāda: ...but our point is, the birth problem is not solved. If there are unwanted population, you kill them that does not mean the population problem is solved.
Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the actual causes of the problems.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the causes of the problems so they're trying to adjust to them.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Hari-śauri: They're simply trying to make so many adjustments to the problems but they are not solving the cause.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That adjustment is not solution.
Akṣayānanda Swami: You said once, putting the weight from your head to your shoulder.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Akṣayānanda Swami: You are carrying a heavy weight I remember you said once. You're carrying heavy weight here, to take the pain you put it here. Then again back here. But still the weight is there.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: The scientists came up with another one for enjoyment. That they cut this little cord that makes the sperm come into the semen and in this way they can have sex life like anything and they're actually not killing. (Man shouts greeting in background)
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jai! Jaya. Semen, what is that?
Harikeśa: Well they say anyway, that... into the semen so they cut this little cord, that tube or something, that has the semen go into the sperm, so the sperm never gets into the semen. So therefore they can have sex life but they'll be no reproduction.
Prabhupāda: So one may check, two may check, what about millions? Supposing they can check in that way, it may be possible for one or two, or a dozen, but what about millions and millions? Nature's way.
Harikeśa: That's if they, they're doing this in...
Prabhupāda: In future. That will solve in future.
Harikeśa: They were giving prizes to people who are doing this.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: Like TV sets.
Prabhupāda: Mutual 'present' society. (everyone laughing) (front bell of temple ringing as Prabhupāda enters grounds) Hiraṇyakaśipu civilization, and we are presenting Prahlāda civilization. So this is a struggle, but ultimately Prahlāda will come out triumphant. Hare Kṛṣṇa (to bystander) and Hiraṇyakaṣipu will be killed. Jaya! (Walks into temple) (end).