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Morning Walks by Date, 1974

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

740503MW-BOMBAY - May 03, 1974 - 05:07 Minutes

Prabhupāda: The inhabitants there, they can go from one planet to another without an aeroplane. That is Siddhaloka. Hmm. Go on.

Dr. Patel: The highest is Satyaloka, no? Janaloka and Satyaloka.

Prabhupāda: Brahmaloka.

Dr. Patel: Brahmaloka, Janaloka and Satyaloka.

Prabhupāda: No. Highest Brahmaloka, where Lord Brahmā lives.

Yadubara: (reading) "There was beating of drums, and being inspired by godly feelings, the residents of Gandharvaloka began to play on their tambūrās to please the Lord. Once when He was . . ." (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . what is God. Such innocent. You see? They thought, "Might be some demigod." That's all.

Yadubara: " 'O Nanda Mahārāja, we are now in great doubt. Your son Kṛṣṇa must be one of the demigods.' " (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Yadubara: " 'And He saved all honest men from the hands of the dishonest.' " (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . Vṛndāvana inhabitants, they are always anxious how to save the cows. Always. They are connected with cows.

Yadubara: "Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Twenty-sixth Chapter of Kṛṣṇa, Wonderful Kṛṣṇa." (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . only Indra, even an ordinary person, he thinks he is all in all.

Dr. Patel: When he does work, he says, ahaṁ kartā, ahaṁ kartā, like that.

Prabhupāda: Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate (BG 3.27). They think like that, the mūḍhas. Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā. Vimūḍha. Not only mūḍha; vimūḍha.

Dr. Patel: Viśeṣa-mūḍha.

Prabhupāda: Viśeṣa. But . . . you are right. "Specifically mūḍha." (break)

Dr. Patel: Janma karma ca me divyam (BG 4.9).

Prabhupāda: No. Yaṁ brahmā varuṇendra-rudra-marutaḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair vedaiḥ sāṅga-pada-krama . . . (SB 12.13.1).

Dr. Patel: Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . asura also, they cannot understand, and these so-called scholars, they are interpreting Kṛṣṇa. Go on. (break) Vimūḍha. Māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ (BG 7.15).

Dr. Patel: All the Vaiṣṇava books, all . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: Vaiṣṇava ācārya . . .

Dr. Patel: No, Vaiṣṇavas, all quotes comes from Vaiṣṇavas. They all believe in the form.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Then I was not able to grasp it, though I am born Vaiṣṇava from my right birth. (break)

Yadubara: Lord Indra is saying that Kṛṣṇa is so merciful that without punishing the offenses of the demons, that He devises means so that their false prestige is subdued.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Yadubara: How is that? How does He devise means without punishment?

Prabhupāda: This is the device, that He agitated Indra, and he came down and surrendered unto Him. This is the device. Not directly punishing. That he came to understand what is the value of Kṛṣṇa.

Yadubara: " 'My dear Lord, You are the supreme father, supreme spiritual master and supreme king.' " (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . accepted by Indra is all described in the Bhagavad-gītā. (break)

Yadubara: " 'You are the root of all creation.' " (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . composed after Mahābhārata.

Dr. Patel: Mahābhārata. Everybody says.

Yadubara: " 'Due to my gross ignorance, I created great disturbance in Vṛndāvana by sending torrents of rain and heavy hailstorms.' " (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . first of all, being observed by father of Kṛṣṇa. It is very important.

(break) . . . necessity of tapasya, if one worships Kṛṣṇa? Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim (Nārada Pañcarātra). And after austerities, if he does not know Kṛṣṇa, then what is the value of his tapasya?

(break) . . . imitating here, that is lust.

Dr. Patel: Anything with a view on the sex is lust.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is lust. Here everything is lust. Center is lust. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). The central point is sex.

Dr. Patel: That is what . . . what this . . .? (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . philosophy.

Dr. Patel: Sigmund Freud.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Sigmund Freud. (end)

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-Prabhupāda: Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ yasyāntaṁ na viduḥ surāsura-gaṇā [[SB 12.13.1]] . So the brāhmaṇas, although sura, he does not know Kṛṣṇa. Yasyāntaṁ na viduḥ surāsura-gaṇā. The asuras, they do not know. Sometimes they... Muhyanti yat surayaḥ. So this was the test. Kṛṣṇa made a test, that "These brāhmaṇas are very much proud of their learning, Vedic knowledge. [break] They do not know Me." Yatatām api siddhānām [[SB 12.13.1]] . Yatatām api siddhānām. They were siddhas, but they do not know Kṛṣṇa. Yes.
-Bhāgavata: They were not śuddha-sāttvika. They were only sāttvika.
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-Prabhupāda: Yes, on the sāttvika. Yes, you are right. One has to go above the sāttvika position, śuddha-sattva. Sattvaṁ viśuddhaṁ vasudeva-śabditam. From Vasudeva conception, the Vāsudeva comes out.
-Dr. Patel: Now, after the śuddha-sattva form that you get...
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-Prabhupāda: That is vasudeva-sattva.
-Dr. Patel: Then you are the real devotee.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' The inhabitants there, they can go from one planet to another without an aeroplane. That is Siddhaloka. Hmm. Go on.
-Prabhupāda: Yes.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' The highest is Satyaloka, no? Janaloka and Satyaloka.
-Dr. Patel: After that also, you go beyond all the three guṇas. Then you become... [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' Brahmaloka.
-Prabhupāda: ...vasudeva-śabditam. All right, go on.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' Brahmaloka, Janaloka and Satyaloka.
-Girirāja: "When the boys saw that the brāhmaṇas would not speak to them, they became very disappointed. They then returned to Lord Kṛṣṇa..." (reading) [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Highest Brahmaloka, where Lord Brahmā lives.
-Prabhupāda: ...devotees of Kṛṣṇa becomes very much disappointed when one sees that the other one is not devotee of Kṛṣṇa.
+'''Yadubara:''' (reading) "There was beating of drums, and being inspired by godly feelings, the residents of Gandharvaloka began to play on their ''tambūrās'' to please the Lord. Once when He was . . ." (break)
-Girirāja: "They then returned to Lord Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma and explained everything that had happened. After hearing their statements, the Supreme Personality began to smile. He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brāhmaṇas."
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . what is God. Such innocent. You see? They thought, "Might be some demigod." That's all.
-Prabhupāda: And this is the position of the preacher. Even if you are disappointed, you should not stop your preaching. You should go on with your business.
+'''Yadubara:''' " 'O Nanda Mahārāja, we are now in great doubt. Your son Kṛṣṇa must be one of the demigods.' " (break)
-Girirāja: "He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brāhmaṇas. Because that is the way of begging. He convinced them that while one is engaged in collecting or begging, one should not think that he will be successful everywhere. He may be unsuccessful in some places but that should not be cause for disappointment."
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
-Prabhupāda: [break] ...tama dāsa Ṭhākura has said, karma-kāṇḍa jñāna-kāṇḍa, kevala viṣera bhāṇḍa. Bhāṇḍa. It is a pot of poison. Karma-kāṇḍa, karma-kāṇḍa process and the jñāna-kāṇḍa process, karmīs and the jñānīs... Karma-kāṇḍa jñāna-kāṇḍa, kevala viṣera bhāṇḍa: "Both of them are poison pots." Jñāna-kāṇḍa also.
+'''Yadubara:''' " 'And He saved all honest men from the hands of the dishonest.' " (break)
-Dr. Patel: But jñāna, you say, bhakti or jñāna automatically comes up.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . Vṛndāvana inhabitants, they are always anxious how to save the cows. Always. They are connected with cows.
-Prabhupāda: No, bhakti does not depend on jñāna, but jñāna depends on bhakti. Without bhakti, one cannot get liberation simply by jñāna. But if one develops bhakti, automatically he gets jñāna. Karma-kāṇḍa jñāna-kāṇḍa, kevala viṣera bhāṇḍa. Viṣera bhāṇḍa, amṛta baliyā yebā khāya. If one mistakes that this is the pot of nectarean, ambrosia, then what is the result? Nānā yoni sadā phire: "He remains within the cycle of birth and death." Nānā yoni sadā phire, kadarya bhakṣaṇa kare. And if he gets the body of a hog and dog, then he eats all the abominable things. Nānā yoni, tāra janma adhah-pāte yāya. So he condemns his human form of body in this way, spoils. So one should not be attached to karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11] . [break] The inhabitants there, they can go from one planet to another without any aeroplane. That is Siddhaloka. Hm. Go on.
+'''Yadubara:''' "Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Twenty-sixth Chapter of ''Kṛṣṇa'', Wonderful Kṛṣṇa." (break)
-Dr. Patel: The highest is Satyaloka, no?
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . only Indra, even an ordinary person, he thinks he is all in all.
-Prabhupāda: Brahmaloka. No highest Brahmaloka, where Lord Brahmā lives.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' When he does work, he says, ''ahaṁ kartā, ahaṁ kartā'', like that.
-Yaduvara: "There was beating of drums, and being inspired by godly feelings, the residents of Gandharvaloka began to play on their tamburās to please the Lord. Once when he was..." [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate'' ([[BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]). They think like that, the ''mūḍhas. Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā. Vimūḍha.'' Not only ''mūḍha''; ''vimūḍha''.
-Prabhupāda: ...what is God. Such innocent. You see? They thought, "Might be some demigod." That's all.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' ''Viśeṣa-mūḍha''.
-Yaduvara;: "O Nanda Mahārāja, we are now in great doubt. Your son Kṛṣṇa must be one of the demigods." [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Viśeṣa''. But . . . you are right. "Specifically ''mūḍha''." (break)
-Prabhupāda: ...the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' ''Janma karma ca me divyam'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]).
-Yaduvara: "And he saved all honest men from the hands of the dishonest." [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' No. ''Yaṁ brahmā varuṇendra-rudra-marutaḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair vedaiḥ sāṅga-pada-krama'' . . . ([[SB 12.13.1|SB 12.13.1]]).
-Prabhupāda: ...Vṛndāvana inhabitants, they are always anxious how to save the cows, always. They are connected with cows.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā'' . . . (break)
-Yaduvara: "Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Twenty-sixth chapter of Kṛṣṇa, Wonderful Kṛṣṇa." [break]
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . ''asura'' also, they cannot understand, and these so-called scholars, they are interpreting Kṛṣṇa. Go on. (break) ''Vimūḍha. Māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ'' ([[BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]]).
-Prabhupāda: ...only Indra, even an ordinary person, he thinks he is all in all.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' All the Vaiṣṇava books, all . . . (break)
-Dr. Patel: When he does work, he says, ahaṁ kartā, ahaṁ kartā.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' Vaiṣṇava ''ācārya'' . . .
-Prabhupāda: Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate [[BG 3.27]] . They think like that, the mūḍhas. Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā. Vimūḍha. Not only mūḍha, vimūḍha.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' No, Vaiṣṇavas, all quotes comes from Vaiṣṇavas. They all believe in the form.
-Dr. Patel: Viśeṣa-mūḍha.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
-Prabhupāda: Viśeṣa. But... you are right. "Specifically mūḍha. " [break]
+'''Dr. Patel:''' Then I was not able to grasp it, though I am born Vaiṣṇava from my right birth. (break)
-Dr. Patel: Janma karma me divyam [[BG 4.9]] .
+'''Yadubara:''' Lord Indra is saying that Kṛṣṇa is so merciful that without punishing the offenses of the demons, that He devises means so that their false prestige is subdued.
-Prabhupāda: No. Yaṁ brahmā varuṇendra-rudra-marutaḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair vedaiḥ sāṅga-pada-krama...
+'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
-Dr. Patel: Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā... [break]
+'''Yadubara:''' How is that? How does He devise means without punishment?
-Prabhupāda: ...asura also, they cannot understand, and these so-called scholars, they are interpreting Kṛṣṇa. Go on. Vimūḍha. Māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ [[BG 7.15]] .
+'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the device, that He agitated Indra, and he came down and surrendered unto Him. This is the device. Not directly punishing. That he came to understand what is the value of Kṛṣṇa.
-Dr. Patel: All the Vaiṣṇava books, all... [break]
+'''Yadubara:''' " 'My dear Lord, You are the supreme father, supreme spiritual master and supreme king.' " (break)
-Prabhupāda: Vaiṣṇava ācārya...
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . accepted by Indra is all described in the ''Bhagavad-gītā.'' (break)
-Dr. Patel: No, Vaiṣṇavas, all quotes come from Vaiṣṇavas. They all believe in the form.
+'''Yadubara:''' " 'You are the root of all creation.' " (break)
-Prabhupāda: Yes.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . composed after ''Mahābhārata''.
-Dr. Patel: Then I was not able to grasp it, though I am born Vaiṣṇava from my right birth. [break]
+'''Dr. Patel:''' ''Mahābhārata''. Everybody says.
-Yaduvara: Lord Indra is saying that Kṛṣṇa is so merciful that without punishing the offenses of the demons, that He devises means so that their false prestige is subdued. How is that? How does he devise means without punishment.
+'''Yadubara:''' " 'Due to my gross ignorance, I created great disturbance in Vṛndāvana by sending torrents of rain and heavy hailstorms.' " (break)
-Prabhupāda: This is the device, that he agitated Indra, and he came down and surrendered unto Him. This is the device. Not directly punishing. That he came to understand what is the value of Kṛṣṇa.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . first of all, being observed by father of Kṛṣṇa. It is very important.
-Yaduvara: "My dear Lord, You are the supreme father, supreme spiritual master and supreme king." [break]
+(break) . . . necessity of ''tapasya'', if one worships Kṛṣṇa? ''Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim'' (Nārada Pañcarātra). And after austerities, if he does not know Kṛṣṇa, then what is the value of his ''tapasya''?
-Prabhupāda: ...accepted by Indra is all described in the Bhagavad-gītā. [break] ...composed after Mahābhārata.
+(break) . . . imitating here, that is lust.
-Yaduvara: "Due to my gross ignorance, I created great disturbance in Vṛndāvana by sending torrents of rain and heavy hailstorms." [break]
+'''Dr. Patel:''' Anything with a view on the sex is lust.
-Prabhupāda: ...first of all, being observed by father of Kṛṣṇa. It is very important. [break] ...necessity of tapasya, if one worships Kṛṣṇa? Nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim. And after austerities, if he does not know Kṛṣṇa, then what is the value of his tapasya? [break] ...imitating here, that is lust.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is lust. Here everything is lust. Center is lust. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham'' ([[SB 7.9.45|SB 7.9.45]]). The central point is sex.
-Dr. Patel: Anything with a view on the sex is lust.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' That is what . . . what this . . .? (break)
-Prabhupāda: Yes. That is lust. Here everything is lust. Center is lust. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham [[SB 7.9.45]] . The central point is sex.
+'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . philosophy.
-Dr. Patel: What this...? (end)
+'''Dr. Patel:''' Sigmund Freud.
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+'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
+'''Dr. Patel:''' Sigmund Freud. (end)