731031 - Conversation - Vrndavana
Prabhupāda: Now, the Kṛṣṇa says that bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano, bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā BG 7.4 . So it has emanated from Kṛṣṇa. Yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante. This is the statement of the Vedas and... So how would you explain that a person can produce such huge quantity of material things, at least to make them understand how it is produced from the person? These are to be scientifically explained, wherefrom so much vast mass of water came. That you have to explain scientifically. Otherwise how they will accept? Simply by saying, It has come from Kṛṣṇa," they will not accept.
Guest (1) Indian man: Yes. We have to convince them about the method of approach.
Prabhupāda: Yes. If these boys, in their scientific language, they try to convince, that will be more effective. We are generally speaking that "Water has come from Kṛṣṇa," or "The earth has come from Kṛṣṇa." That may be blind. But if it is scientifically presented, how it has come from Kṛṣṇa, then they cannot refute so easily. So that I am engaging this doctor of chemistry, Svarūpa Dāmodara and Rāya Rāmānanda. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's two personal associates, Svarūpa Dāmodara and Rāmānanda.
Guest (1): Yes, and Rāya Rāmānanda. Very, very strange coincidence.
Prabhupāda: What is that verse? Idaṁ hi puṁsas śrutasya vā... You find out this verse. You have to find out the... No, no, from here. You have to take the index. Where is Paṇḍita? Paṇḍita is not here?
Guest (1): Pradyumnajī. Pradyumna. You call him paṇḍita?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): Rightly so.
Prabhupāda: He is American paṇḍita. Paṇḍitjī?
Śrutakīrti: He is out.
Prabhupāda: Oh, he's out.
Guest (1): . He came to me today, asked for a copy of Harināmāmṛta-vyākaraṇa, which we have...
Prabhupāda: Hm. You find out the verse: idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā.
idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito
yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam
SB 1.5.22
This is required. If you are a great scientist, you just glorify the qualities of Uttama-śloka. Then it is perfect. Simply you remain a scientist among some people, but you cannot describe about Kṛṣṇa, then your scientific knowledge... Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā SB 1.5.22 . Tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sūktasya sviṣṭasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ. Nāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅki... What is that?
Guest (1): We have to attend a Bhāgavata-paṭha, at 3.30.
Prabhupāda: Where?
Guest (1): Rādhā-Dāmodara.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. So who is reading?
Guest (1): Nṛsiṁhānanda Goswami.
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. This verse is very important verse.
Guest (1): Very important.
Prabhupāda: Huh. Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā. Idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ SB 1.5.22 .
Gurudāsa: That volume is packed, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: All right. Nāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅkitāni yad avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ. Nirūpita means it is already decided. The perfection of your education is this. What is that? Nāmāny anantasya. Anantasya. Yaśaḥ aṅkitāni. Yaśaḥ. That is perfection. If you scientific knowledge, philosophical knowledge; cannot establish the glories of the Supreme Lord.
Guest (1): Then they are useless.
Prabhupāda: Useless. Avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpitaḥ. It is already taken. Nirūpita means there is no argument. It is already concluded.
Guest (1): Your business is not to prove or disprove, but to glorify Him.
Prabhupāda: Yes. By your knowledge. If you are scientist, you are chemist, through chemical challenge you try to glorify the Supreme Lord. If you are physicist, from physical point of view, try to explain. If you are scientist... Anyway, because ultimate... Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam BG 15.15 . Any knowledge, that is... You have to approve the Supreme. That is real perfect knowledge. And at the present moment men of knowledge they are rejecting. Because they cannot explain, they are rejecting. They do not bother.
Guest (1): Modern science has cleared the deck very much for religion. They are not so dogmatic as the old scientists used to be.
Prabhupāda: What do they say now?
Guest (1): Well, you see, the modern scientific discoveries have led to the stage at which the science can no more say that religion is humbug. Now they say, "Well, we do not know. Honestly speaking, that is the position," they say.
Prabhupāda: That is good.
Guest (1): Yes. "We do not know. We know thus far and not beyond." So that's a great achievement. That's a great achievement.
Prabhupāda: No. At least, they should not teach because they do not know.
Guest (1): Well, the topmost scientists are much saner now. They don't make...
Prabhupāda: Yes. But the best thing will be, they may not talk all nonsense.
Guest (1): They don't talk nonsense.
Prabhupāda: If they admit they do not know, why do they speak so much?
Guest (1): One scientist has said about matter. He says, "Matter is I know not what." This is his definition of matter. "Matter is I know not what." So no more dogmatism. No more dogmatism.
Prabhupāda: So you can distribute some prasāda.
idaṁ hi puṁsas tapasaḥ śrutasya vā
sviṣṭasya sūktasya ca buddhi-dattayoḥ
avicyuto 'rthaḥ kavibhir nirūpito
yad-uttamaśloka-guṇānuvarṇanam
SB 1.5.22
Yes. Another verse there is:
tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo
yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api
nāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅkitāni yat
śṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ
SB 1.5.11
Guest (2): (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Guest (3): (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Guest (1): I suppose you will come now when this thing is constructed.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): We shall try to construct it...
Prabhupāda: Quickly.
Guest (1): Let us expedite this so that Prabhupāda may come again very soon. (Hindi conversation) (end)