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Prabhupāda: How Kṛṣṇa was born?
Devotee child (1): He had a birth ceremony when Kṛṣṇa was born.
Previous conversation B is now '''[[720704 - Conversation A - New York]]'''
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee child (1): Kṛṣṇa had His birth ceremony when He was born.
<div class="code">720704R3-NEW YORK - July 04, 1972 - 08:59 Minutes</div>
Prabhupāda: That's all right. How He took birth?
Devotee child (1): Did He take birth? A four-armed form. He took birth as four-armed form. He came out from Devaki's womb.
Prabhupāda: You have seen any child with four arms? Have you seen?
Devotee child: (1) Hmmh.
'''Devotee (1):''' A brush.
Prabhupāda: Where?
'''Prabhupāda:''' No soap?
Devotee child (1): In pictures.
'''Devotee (1):''' I don't think so. It's wire, metal.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
'''Prabhupāda:''' What?
Devotee child (1): In the picture. Here.
'''Devotee (1):''' It's a metal brush. It would be too hard for the nails, for the body.
Prabhupāda: Picture. In life have you seen four arms? No?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Yeah. For toes? For toenails.
Devotee child (1): What?
'''Devotee (1):''' For feet?
Prabhupāda: One child with four arms, have you seen?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Toenails, perhaps.
Devotee children: No.
'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . cord?
Prabhupāda: No?
'''Devotee (1):''' Silk cord?
Devotee child: (2) We're not pure enough yet. We don't have spiritual eyes.
'''Prabhupāda:''' What is it meant?
Devotee child (3): You have to have a spiritual body to see Kṛṣṇa?
'''Devotee:''' Round the neck. Some brass shoes. (sound of fireworks exploding)
Devotee child (2): Can you see Kṛṣṇa?
'''Prabhupāda:''' You . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
'''Devotee (1):''' Match your bead bag.
Devotee child (2): How does He look like? (pause) Is that how you translate?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
'''Devotee (1):''' It will match your bead bag.
Devotee child (1): Is that how you translate books?
'''Devotee (2):''' Handkerchief.
Prabhupāda: Oh, he's taking (indistinct)?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Popularly. (laughter)
Devotee (1): He's just...
'''Devotee (1):''' ''Time'' magazine, special issue.
Devotee child (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda?
'''Prabhupāda:''' (devotees are laughing as they look at magazine) First name . . . (indistinct) . . . what is that?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
'''Devotee (1):''' It says: "Vai . . . Vaikuṇṭha Playhouse, statement of purpose." There's a theatrical group called the Vaikuṇṭha Players. (break)
Devotee child (1): How can I serve you better?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' . . . Śrīla Prabhupāda, Fourth of July.
Prabhupāda: Read Kṛṣṇa book daily. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?
Devotee child (2): How many rounds should we do a day?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' It's Fourth of July.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) Where is the kīrtana going on?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Today?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: On the street. They are getting ready for saṅkīrtana.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Devotee child (1): Someone(?) has to be here to meet you.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm. Keep it all in ''almirah''.
Devotee (2): Śrīla Prabhupāda? We've got a traveling saṅkīrtana group coming here (indistinct) from Dallas. The boys are stopping to see you. In two days Dvārakādhīśa distributed about one hundred of your Back to Godheads, and so many Kṛṣṇa books. And all the boys took part in saṅkīrtana. It would be very nice...
'''Devotee (1):''' This is some peanuts.
Prabhupāda: They want to see me? They want to see me?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Distribute.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' It's a very sad day for us, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Then? What he says?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He says that when they were on their way to New York City, the students distributed hundred Back to Godhead and went on saṅkīrtana.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' It's a sad day for us.
Devotee (2): In two days Dvārakādhīśa distributed over a hundred.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Sad day?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: And Dvārakādhīśa did over a hundred in two days.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Sad.
Prabhupāda: Very good. That's a great service. What is that?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Why?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He has a camera. He's making a movie.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' You have . . . (indistinct) . . . very limited opportunity for associating, so offensively. You'll be leaving today.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Why it is fixed up?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: (to devotee) What are you doing?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' You'll be going away.
Devotee (3): Oh, I was watching the boys' faces... Watching them.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Home-made soap you can make?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: You're not shooting yet?
'''Devotee (1):''' I could make it if I found out how. I don't know the ingredients.
Devotee (3): No. At any time I can shoot, yes.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes. (to Prabhupāda) He's adjusting the camera.
'''Devotee (1):''' I don't know the ingredients, but I could find out the ingredients and the process. I could try.
Devotee child (2): How come you don't you carry your tridaṇḍa with you?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Who can make home-made soap. You can?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
'''Devotee (3):''' We will be making in . . .
Devotee child (2): Why don't you carry your tridaṇḍa with you?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
'''Devotee (3):''' . . . the Spiritual Sky business. We'll be making. It's the same business, this soap, I think.
Devotee child (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, when you drink like that, that's śuci, right?
'''Prabhupāda:''' No, it is not needed.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
'''Devotee (1):''' (indistinct) . . . (fireworks)
Devotee child (1): When you drink like that, that's śuci.
'''Prabhupāda:''' It is . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Śuci? Yes.
'''Devotee (1):''' Yes. (break)
Devotee child (1): Śuci.
'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . a cheater is not disqualification in this country.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He is asking, "When you drink like that, it is sutri?"
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' It's a good qualification.
Children: Śuci.
'''Prabhupāda:''' (laughs) Good qualification.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Śuci.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Biggest cheaters are in control, in charge.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the disqualification? Not to become cheater?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Śuci.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Yes, then they will be stupid.
Prabhupāda: That's right, don't touch the mouth. That's all. (children pay obeisances and leave)
'''Devotee (4):''' To be an honest man.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya. Śrīla Prabhupāda, it will be possible for us to have a few minutes' conversation, for them to..., for as an interview, so that they can film?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' See, then they call you stupid.
Prabhupāda: What interview?
'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. The standard is different, completely. Human intelligence means you must be a big cheater.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: I will ask some questions about how..., when you came to this country.
'''Devotee (1):''' Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: That you know. You can say. These are ordinary things.
'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: But they would like it, they would like to see...
'''Devotee (1):''' What would you like to take for lunch today?
Prabhupāda: They make like, but why should we waste our time?
'''Prabhupāda:''' I'm not feeling very much hungry. Don't prepare now. If I feel hungry, it can be done. Call Śyāmasundara.
Devotee: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. Well, could we..., could we...(indistinct)?
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Well, I can ask, I can...
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.
Prabhupāda: That you can ask. These are simply ordinary question anyone can answer. If there is serious question, that understanding, then he may come.
'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Would you have any instructions as to how I could serve you better? For me?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes. They would like to let us..., we could ask you questions, serious questions, for the benefit of the audience.
'''Prabhupāda:''' By convincing people of . . . (break) (end)
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: They would like to film the, the...
Prabhupāda: I can ask?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: ...the devotees asking you questions for the audience.
Prabhupāda: They make radio, television, they ask the same question. They do not know what question they can ask. The real..., it is meant for the philosophy of life, but they, they do not know.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So why this ordinary question to be repeatedly made and I answer? A waste of time. This is a serious movement. One should be responsible men, leaders of the society. If you want to take some benefit out of this movement, they should question.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And they should..., if it is nice, they should take it. Then it will be benefit.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: If they go on questioning, they'll never do it, never accept it.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That will not be effective. Simply a waste of time.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Here is the formula, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They actually see how we are changing the character.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So, the leaders of the society, if it is serious, will adopt this, in the educational system, in their private life. In that way they shall ask some question, then it will benefit. Otherwise it will be simply a show.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya, Prabhupāda. I understand.
Prabhupāda: So, you are carrying(?) the whole Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu?
Devotee (4): Me?
Prabhupāda: Bhakti-rasa..., no?
Devotee (4): Hari-bhakti-vilāsa.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Hari-bhakti-vilāsa.
Devotee (4): No, I had it here.
Prabhupāda: Oh, here.
Devotee (4): I left it here. I just had a xerox. I left my Bhagavad-gītā here, and some other books. I didn't take 'em to India. That Hari-..., hari-nāmāmṛta.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
Devotee (4): Yeah. A few other books I left here. Śrīla Prabhupāda? Well, like, there's an old friend of mine that I had, I called up to come and see you today. He's very nice. At five o'clock. He's going for his Ph.D. in theology at Columbia, and he's also an expert Russian scholar.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Devotee (4): He's been to Russia several times, and uh, it would be very nice...
Prabhupāda: This, this kind of question and interview is very interesting.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Good.
Prabhupāda: So ordinary men, why these people are..., why you are making this statement when you came, what is the benefit of such a thing?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya Prabhupāda, jaya!
Prabhupāda: They do not know...
Devotee: So...
Prabhupāda: Now, the Russian scholar, he will, theologian, he can describe about God, what is the nature of God.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: So maybe we can ask him to come at five o'clock...
Prabhupāda: Yes, that would be nice.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya Prabhupāda.
Devotee (4): And also some of our men, like Prajāpati is an M.A. in theology, and Ravindra-svarūpa M.A. in philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Devotee (4): And they will be here too, and it will be nice to hear discussion.
Prabhupāda: That's right. That discussion only. Students of philosophy, theology, what is their idea of God, what they are thinking, what is their defect, we can talk. Ordinary men you can (indistinct) try to avoid. If they want some question, you can ask.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes. Jaya.
Devotee (5): Śrīla Prabhupāda? I am one of the teachers in the gurukula...
Prabhupāda: Ahh.
Devotee (5): ...and one of the boys, Ekendra, his mother, Kalindi, she wants to take him away from the school.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (5): She wants to take him away from the school. So she's leaving it up to you, to your decision, as to whether the boy goes with her or stays in the gurukula school. He's progressing very nicely at gurukula. The school is just starting. He's very intelligent boy.
Prabhupāda: So why he is taking? Why she is taking?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Kalindi wants..., likes to take Ekendra.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Devotee (5): She's very attached.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Attached.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So she's mother. If she wants to take, what can you do? She doesn't like her son to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, what you can do? Where she is?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: She's here, actually. She is serving Your Divine Grace.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: She is serving, but she is not sure if that would be the best thing. She's attached, maybe...
Prabhupāda: So you convince her that ordinary schools, going, there are so many ordinary schools and students, where the students are coming out useless hippies. Do you like to have your son to become hip..., which are hippies? Ask on this point.
Devotee (5): Jaya Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Because we practically see, all the college students are hippies. Irresponsible vagabonds. If she wants her son to become like that, that is different thing. Irresponsible vagabonds, that is the present status of this country. The majority of the students, they are becoming irresponsible vagabonds. Is it not?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, correct. We all have experience in that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, if she, if she wants son to become irresponsible, irresponsible vagabond, in the association... Of course, our Dallas also we should take very much care so that we may not also produce irresponsible vagabond. So don't cause irresponsible vagabonds.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are your instructions to the parent..., to the teachers as to how they treat parents? I have heard several parents sometimes complain that..., that they don't get enough news about their children from the teachers. Should teacher let the parents know about the children?
Prabhupāda: So our, the small children teaching...
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: ...means they should learn alphabet.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: How to read and write. That is the first thing.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And balance they should learn how to become Vaiṣṇava.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya!
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: And we let the parents know how the children is progressing? Do we have responsibility to parents, to let them know, inform them about the progress of children?
Prabhupāda: No, we have no time for such talk. If he, he or she can come and see. We have no such. That is ordinary school.
Devotee: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: Our progress is how the student is becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Devotee: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: That is our point. And because he has to read nicely, he has to speak nicely, he must be literate, not illiterate.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: To read your books?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: So that by reading the books they will have immense knowledge.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: This generation...
Prabhupāda: This much we want.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: ...are very fortunate, Prabhupāda. They're very fortunate.
Devotee (5): They fight a lot, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (5): They fight a lot.
Prabhupāda: That children should fight, but if you give them, give them good arrangement, more engagement for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, always engage them in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee (5): They should do as much japa as possible.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They should have no scope, simply chant and dance, daily engagement, and (indistinct) says that they should play Kṛṣṇa play-cowherds boy going to the forest, someone, someone has become cow, like that. If they have got good engagement, and sometimes they fight, after all, they're coming from fighting father and mother. So you have to change them.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes (laughter)
Prabhupāda: The father and mother, they're also fighting (laughter)
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So what is their fault?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: We have a lot of plays that they could fight in the play.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Kṛṣṇa playing, fighting the demons.
Prabhupāda: Then they are Kṛṣṇa conscious. Somehow or other, this is the goal. In fighting also there is Kṛṣṇa. Somebody may become a demon, Kṛṣṇa is fighting, carrying Him away. These are described in the Kṛṣṇa book.
Devotee (5): I noticed that, that everything is in there, even blind man's bluff, and hide and seek. These things originated in the spiritual world.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (5): That everything is in the Kṛṣṇa book to engage the children.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Children here play hide and seek, which is also..., the gopīs play.
Devotee (5): Cowherd boys.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Cowherd boys play the game.
Prabhupāda: Yes, also in India. That is a popular play for children. We..., we played. It gives great pleasure, that "I have hidden; my friend cannot see me." This is going on.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if she decides to leave her child at the school, what are the instructions to her? She should not write him, or she should come... How often can she come to visit him?
Prabhupāda: As many times as she likes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Oh.
Prabhupāda: She may come daily, or she can remain there to see.
Devotee (5): Oh. Jaya.
Devotee (6): Can I ask a question?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He's another teacher.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (6): Can I ask you a question?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Devotee (6): That many, many devotees have, have since I have arrived here, have asked me questions about how, how to treat the children, how to, how to teach the children, and they have, you know, there are many children in other temples besides gurukula who are either are not, not of age yet, or who have not been sent yet...
Prabhupāda: Everyone is of age. That is all right. It is not that there is no age limit. Anyone who can remain, that is the best thing. But with very small children, I think nowadays after three years children can begin.
Devotee (6): After three? After three? Jaya. They, they've asked us many questions. Should..., is there any, is there any information? How should we, should we send information from gurukula to the other temples?
Prabhupāda: Who? Who asked questions?
Devotee (6): Devotees who have children, who have come to the temple. They said, one woman said that "They've..., my son, they're throwing him in cold shower. They say he has to take a cold shower, and that no one wants to have anything to do with him because he's so much trouble..."
Prabhupāda: No, we have got our own program. We cannot accept the different program, that "My son should be done like this..." We should see that everyone is taking bath daily, that's all. They are taking bath daily?
Devotee (6): Yes.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. Rising early in the morning?
Devotee (6): Yes.
Prabhupāda: Attending maṅgala ārati?
Devotee (6): Yes
Prabhupāda: Chanting? Dancing? These are our programs. Class, little a-b-c-d, no?
Devotee (6): But no force, yes?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (6): They, they... She was questioning me about force, that there should... I told her that, that your instruction to us was that no...
Prabhupāda: Force?
Devotee (6): ...there should not be force ever.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Hitting, hitting the children.
Devotee (6): Or forcing them to do activities. That no..., that should not be done.
Devotee (4): Forcing the children to do the activities.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: To use force. Hitting them.
Devotee (6): Or hitting them.
Prabhupāda: Not hitting. By otherwise engage.
Devotee (4): Like if he doesn't...
Prabhupāda: "Don't you see your other friends are taking bath. Why shall you not take bath? Very nice, you are so intelligent boy, you are not like that."
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Positive.
Prabhupāda: By sweet words. They are after all children. Forcing is not good. (pause) What it this?
Devotee (4): Oh, I just wrote... My brother was in the hospital, so I just wrote a little letter to him. I'm going to send him some...
Prabhupāda: This is the letterheading, latest?
Devotee (4): Yes, this is New York society. I don't have any envelopes, but...
Prabhupāda: This printing in our press?
Devotee (4): I don't know. This is the first I've seen of it, just now.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Would you like some, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No.
Devotee (4): I'm sending over some tulasī leaves.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (4): Little tulasī leaf?
Prabhupāda: No.
Devotee (4): Eat? No, shouldn't send.
Prabhupāda: He's not a devotee. He'll "Oh, what is this?" Throw away.
Devotee (4): Hm.
Prabhupāda: Just like the tulasī plant is here, somebody will think that it is decoration. We put it here, devotion, but those who are not interested to speak them about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we offense. One of the ten offenses.
Devotee (4): Yeah. I was wondering about that. I didn't know whether to do it or not.
Prabhupāda: They should be asked ordinary question: What is the life? What is the aim of life?
Devotee (4): Hm.
Prabhupāda: What is consciousness? Philosophy, which is understandable by everyone (indistinct).
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Would you like something Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Yes, I want to (indistinct) my head.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Where is Śyāmasundara.
Devotee (4): He's in his office I think. He was there just a minute ago. I'll just write him the chant or something.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (4): I'll just write him the chant maybe.
Prabhupāda: No, chant also is not correct.
Devotee (4): Oh.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He's coming, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
Devotee (7): Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Would you like to see them? (break)
Yadurāṇī: ... do it effectively. And, Śrīla Prabhupāda, Muralīdhara just asked you that when Lord Brahmā, when he became angry at the four Kumāras he created Lord Śiva from between his eyebrows. So he is always situated on his lotus, but at that time should we paint him on his planet?
Prabhupāda: His planet is just like lotus flower.
Yadurāṇī: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa planet is also like lotus.
Yadurāṇī: Jaya, so, so it has...
Prabhupāda: Just like here in this material world the Brahmā's planet is the ultimate. That is also like mat..., lotus flower, and in the spiritual world the ultimate planet is Kṛṣṇa-loka.
Yadurāṇī: So you would have palaces and garden scenes and Lord Brahmā perhaps on his throne?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu (Bs. 5.29). There are palaces, trees, everything. They are not voids. The voidist cannot understand what is there.
Devotee (7): And Śrīla Prabhupāda, can we paint more informal portraits...
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (7): ...of yourself and the other ācāryas to send to the temples? Or should we...
Yadurāṇī: Informal.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Yadurāṇī: Informal. That is, Puṣkara painted a picture of you sitting in a very formal position.
Prabhupāda: Ah ha...
Yadurāṇī: Should we stick to formal positions, or is it all right to do informal pose, like just your head and your chest?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Formal.
Yadurāṇī: Formal always?
Prabhupāda: Always. Not like bust, no. Just like guru mahārāja. We won't put all that top, bust form.
Yadurāṇī: Śrīla Prabhupāda? You asked for big, big, paintings to be sent to Māyāpur and Vṛndāvana. When you say "big, big," do you mean like five feet and..., or six feet? That big?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Five, six (indistinct).
Yadurāṇī: And Śrīla Prabhupāda, Śyāmasundara... (break) About fifty people will be initiated.
Prabhupāda: Fifty?
Yadurāṇī: Fifty, nearly fifty, gāyatrī and both.
Devotee (7): Both, gāyatrī and...
Devotee (8): Śrīla Prabhupāda? We want to view the movies in this room.
Prabhupāda: Go ahead. How many beads?
Devotee: Twenty-seven. (indistinct)
Devotee (9): Śrīla Prabhupāda? You said you want to present more philosophy in Back to Godhead magazine. Does that mean that we should make it more and more sophisticated? Or does that mean that we should try to present the philosophy in the easiest way?
Prabhupāda: You should insert articles. It is reality. It is not speculation. Nothing, our activity, is speculation or imaginary. Everything is fact. We should present in that way. Either picture or philosophy, anything. They are all facts. People may not take it as something imagination. That argument will be there. Just like here there is a picture, Dakṣa is with a goat head. But they may not take it as imagination. That is possible. It is fact.
Devotee (9): So the..., our business is to present it in such a way that people will...
Prabhupāda: Yes, people will understand it is reality, not sentiment or fictitious. Because they have been instructed by rascals that all these Vedic literatures, they are allegories. Or, how do they call it?
Devotees: Mythology.
Prabhupāda: Mythology. So we are presenting facts, not mythology. That should be the spirit of all our artists and philosophy, writing. (devotees pay obeisances and leave)
Devotee (10): A brush.
Prabhupāda: No soap?
Devotee (10): I don't think so, it's too hard, metal
Prabhupāda: What?
Devotee (10): It's a metal brush. It would be too hard for the nails, for the body.
Devotee: Yeah. For toes? For toenails.
Devotee (10): For feet?
Devotee: Toenails, perhaps.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct)
Devotee (10): Silk cord?
Prabhupāda: What did he make?
Devotee (10): What did he make? Some (indistinct) shoes. (loud noises of fireworks exploding)
Prabhupāda: You know they are also (indistinct)?
Devotee (10): Match your bead bag.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (10): It will match your bead bag.
Devotee: Handkerchief.
Prabhupāda: Popular. (laughter)
Devotee: (10) Time magazine, special issue.
Prabhupāda: (devotees are laughing as they look at magazine) What is that?
Devotee (10): It says "Vai..., Vaikuṇṭha Playhouse, statement of purpose." There's a theatrical group called the Vaikuṇṭha Players.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: (break) ...Śrīla Prabhupāda, fourth of July.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's the fourth of July.
Prabhupāda: Today?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Keep it all in (indistinct).
Devotee (10): This is some peanuts.
Prabhupāda: Distribute.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's a very sad day for us, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's a sad day for us.
Prabhupāda: Sad day?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Sad.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Why? We had limited opportunity for associating, so offensively. You'll be leaving today.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: You'll be going away.
Prabhupāda: Home-made soap, you can make?
Devotee: I could make it if I found out how. I don't know the ingredients.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee: I don't know the ingredients, but I could find out the ingredients and the process, I could try.
Prabhupāda: Who can make home-made soap. You can?
Devotee (11): We will be making in...
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (11): ...the Spiritual Sky business. We'll be making. It's the same business, this soap, I think.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not needed.
Devotee: (indistinct) (fireworks explode)
Prabhupāda: It is loud.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: (break)...a cheater is not disqualification in this country.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It's a good qualification.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Good qualification.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Biggest cheaters are in control, in charge.
Prabhupāda: What is the disqualification? Not to become cheater?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Yes, then they will be stupid.
Devotee (10): To be an honest man.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: See, then they call you stupid.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So standard is different, completely. Human intelligence means you must be a big cheater.
Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Ah?
Devotee: What would you like to take for lunch today?
Prabhupāda: I'm not feeling very much hungry. Don't prepare now. If I feel hungry, it can be done. Call Śyāmasundara.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Would you have any instructions as to how I could serve you better? For me?
