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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



711205R3-DELHI - December 05, 1971 - 04:30 Minutes



Prabhupāda: . . . just like Arjuna said: "Yes." In the beginning he said: "No," then after learning Bhagavad-gītā he said: "Yes." So we have to learn to say: "Yes" to Kṛṣṇa or His representative. Then you will be all right. If you say: "No," then it is māyā. But you have got the liberty to say: "Yes" or "No." . . . (indistinct) . . . if we say: "No," then it is our misfortune. If we say: "Yes," it is our fortune.

Icchā-dveṣa. What is that verse? Sarge yānti parantapa. You have got icchā and dveṣa—two things there. Icchā means either you have desire for sense gratification or you can desire to serve Kṛṣṇa. And dveṣa means averse. You may not like to serve Kṛṣṇa, or you may not like to serve māyā.

icchā-dveṣa-samutthena
sarge yānti parantapa
(BG 7.27)

So we have come here to this material world by two propensities, icchā and dveṣa. Icchā, we wanted to enjoy this material world; and dveṣa, we try to avoid Kṛṣṇa. You see?

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icchā-dveṣa-samutthena
sarge yānti parantapa

In this way you have come to this material world.

Just like this Pakistan and Hindustan, fighting. Icchā. Icchā is that "I shall enjoy this land." So they're fighting. They do not know that after all, this land does not belong to any one of us; it belongs to Kṛṣṇa. Why should we fight? Better you . . . let us be satisfied with whatever Kṛṣṇa has given. But there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness; therefore they are fighting. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa has made everything complete.

pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ
pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate
(Īśopaniṣad, Invocation)

This planet is complete because it is created by Kṛṣṇa. So there cannot be any scarcity, any want. Everything is there. But we are desiring. Such simple dveṣa-samutthena. Dveṣa. We want to enjoy more, therefore I envy you. This is our . . . (indistinct) . . . This is called material . . . (indistinct)

And we are being carried by this different types of desire, and we are getting different types of bodies. Kṛṣṇa is kind, Lord. Oh, whatever we desire—He supplies it, "All right." Like . . . but ultimately He says sarva-guhyatamaṁ (BG 18.64): "The most confidential part of knowledge I have given to you. Give up all this nonsense and surrender unto Me." So that is all. (cut) (end)