750827 - Morning Walk - Vrndavana

Morning Walks by Date, 1975

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Listen to a 'Nectar Drop' created from this Morning Walk

750827MW-VRNDAVAN - August 27, 1975 - 40:02 Minutes

Prabhupāda: Hey? Who is this?

Devotee: (over sound system) Jaya Jaya Jaya Prabhupāda! (sings) nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale . . .

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa (break) Hmm? Yes.

Upendra: The flies don't like nim.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Upendra: They don't like nim? The flies.

Prabhupāda: That ask them. (laughter) You do not expect all answers from me, whether the flies like or not like. This is antiseptic. Nim is very, very antiseptic. Therefore it is natural, the flies and bugs, they are afraid of. Yes. (break) . . . here?

Harikeśa: He's the purchaser.

Akṣayānanda: He does shopping.

Prabhupāda: Namaskar. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Tabiyat thik hai. (Are you doing well?) Kab aye. (When did you come?)

Dandhariya. Hum to shravan se yahi hain. bada bhari hamara karyakram chal raha hai. (I am here since sravan. We have a very big program.)

Prabhupāda: kahan chal raha hai? (Where is it going on?)

Indian man: Fogla ashram mein. (In Fogla ashram.)

Prabhupāda: Woh jo kya naam hai, Dhandhariya. (That person—what is his name? Dhandhariya, where is he?)

Indian man: Kya karta hai. (What does he do?)

Prabhupāda: Dhan ko dharta hai. Iska matlab yehi hota hai jo dhan ko pakad leta hai. (He captures wealth. This means that one who captures wealth—he knows how to capture.) He is the . . . voh to unhi ka sansthan hai? (That is his organization?)

Indian man: Han, sansthan wahi hai, organiser wahi hai par adhyakshata hamari rehti hai. (Yes, that is the organization—he is the organizer but I am the President.)

Guṇārṇava, he has not come?

Prabhupāda: Woh jo foreign country mein jaane wala tha. (He was supposed to go to a foreign country.)

Indian man: Ab foreign countries aap bhi gaye the Maharaj ji. Japan, Hong kong mein sab aap mile the Hong kong ke mandir mein kirtan kiya tha hamne. teen-char jan the humlog vo Vishwa-Hindu parishad ke organising secretary the aur kai ek log the saath mein. Abhi hum Indonesia, Singapore mein bahut masti aayi. Ab ghoom ke aaye hain, khoob Hari-bol kiya. Voh bol rahe the hum ticket bhejenge har saal aya karo. (You also had gone to foreign countries, Maharaj ji. Japan. In the Hong Kong temple we all met together and we did kirtana. There were 4 to 5 of us—the organizing secretary of Vishwa-Hindu Parishad was there and some people were there with us. Now in Indonesia—in Singapore we enjoyed it a lot. I toured and came there, we did a lot of Haribol. He was saying I will send you the ticket, you come every year.)

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jay ho. Udhar bahut Hindu hain. (There are many Hindus there.)

Indian man: Idhar ke desh nahi dekhe Maharaj ji Europe mein abhi nahi gaye. Israel dekh ke aaye pehle baar teen mahine rahe. sabse pehle Laos gaye. To Laos mein dus din katha Gurudwara mein an khoob hua. Uske baad communist ne waha jhamela kar diya. To humko to plane se nikaal diya to hum Bangkok aa gaye. Bangkok mein do saptah rahe wahan khoob Haari-bol kiya. Sabse zyada Hari-bol ki dhun pasand aayi logon ko. Badi kripa rahi wahan phir Bangkok se Hong-Kong chale gaye. Japan gaye, Japan mein Indian Social society ki or se karyakram rakha gaya. Sab Hindu parivar aaye the. (I have not seen these countries Mahārāja. Haven't been to Europe. I saw Israel for the first time, I stayed for three months. First we went to Laos. In Laos we had lectures in Gurudwara. After this the communists troubled us a lot. We were deboarded from the plane, so we came to Bangkok. In Bangkok we stayed for two weeks, there we did a lot of haribol. More than anything, people loved the tune of haribol. Lots of mercy was there. From Bangkok we went to Hong Kong. We went to Japan—in Japan, an Indian social society organized a program. All Hindu families came.)

Prabhupāda: Japan mein kahan Tokyo? (Where in Japan, Tokyo?)

Indian man: Nahi woh koloon mein tehre the. (We stayed in Kowloon.)

Prabhupāda: Haan koloon mein bahut hindu hain. (There are lot of Hindu families in Kowloon)

Indian man: Phir singapore se Jakarta. Jakarta to aap bhi ho ayen hain bataya logon ne. Aur koloon mein aapka mandir bhi hai Hong-Kong mein vo dono mile the to voh bajate the khol hamare saath, hum khoob masti liye Maharaj ji. Wahan prasad hua. Idhar zyada English ki zaroorat nahi hai Asia mein. (Then from Singapore to Jakarta. You also have visited Jakarta—people told me. In Kowloon you have a temple, also in Hong Kong. I visited both of them—they used to play khol with me. I had a lot of fun Mahārāja, we had prasad there. Here we don't speak much of the English language in Asia.) Phir humko ek parivar Sydney Fiji bhej raha tha to shravan aa gaya humne kaha hum ab jayenge nahi, Brindavan ab rehne dijiye. (Then one family was sending me to Sydney and Fiji, but Sravan came and I told them, "Let me stay in Vṛndāvana.")

Prabhupāda: Fiji mein hamara mandir hai. Sydney mein bhi hai. (We have our temple in Fiji and also in Sydney.)

Indian man: Maharaj ji idhar ka mandir to itna adbhut banaya hai jaise Bihariji Radha-Raman mein bheed rehti hai to vaise yahan bhi log aate hain. Bilkul Mahaprabhu avatarit ho gaye. (Mahārāja, the temple here is so magnificent—like Bihariji. Radha Raman temple is crowded like that, here also a lot of people come. It looks like Mahaprabhu has descended.)

Prabhupāda: Hum to samjha tha itna dur mein koi aayega nahin. (I thought nobody would come so far to visit the temple.)

Indian man: Radhe Radhe, yeh to bahut prasiddh ho gaya hai angrezo ka mandir. (This has become very famous as a temple by foreigners.)

Prabhupāda: Hai to angrezo ka hi. wohi beechare paisa sab le aye. (Not ordinary Americans. It belongs to the foreigners. They brought all the funds.)

Indian man: Wahan ki dollars ki kimat bhi bahut badh gayi hai Hong-Kong ka dugna. American dollar to bahut zyada mehenga hai. sau le aao to yahan 800 . . . (The price of dollars is also high there, double that of Hong Kong. The American dollar is very, very high—if you bring 100, then here it's 800 . . .)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Prabhupāda: Kisi tarah se Har-Kṛṣṇa naam prachar hua. (Somehow the Hare Kṛṣṇa name should be spread.)

Indian man: Humko kisine bola Ram Nivas ki Prime Minister ne call kiya hai aapko. Kuch discusssion karna chahti hai shayad aapse. To mil aaye aap? To unki bhavanye thik hai misssion ki taraf? (Someone told me Ram Nivas, the Prime Minister, had called you. She wants to have some discussion with you. Did you meet her? How are her feelings towards the mission?)

Prabhupāda: Unki personality to acchi hai . . . (indistinct) . . . to jo samajdar hote hain vo appreciate karenge. Aprreciate kar rahe hain koi log aur koi badha dalne ki .koshish kar rahe hain. (Her personality is good . . . (indistinct) . . . those who are intelligent, they will appreciate it. Some people are appreciating and some people are making obstacles.)

Indian man: Humse bahut logo ne prasn kiya hai is sambandh mein. Bahut bada samaj aaya hua hai. Isme sacchaee kya hai. Isme koi jasoos aa gaya hai. Humne kaha nahi bhai. Unko samjhana padta hai yahan ke logo ko. (Many people have asked me in relation to this. A very big association has come, what is the truth in this. Any spy has come here. People here have to understand.)

Prabhupāda: Yehi to prachar kar rahe hain ki yeh log sab jassos hain. Chinmayanand ka followers udhar koi foreigners nahi hai. Wohi sab Hindu log hai. Hindu log koi bhi dharmik vyakti jaye to vo beechare dhin mein pade rehte hain koi jaye kuch bole to sun le mauka nahi milta hai but Hindus ka kya hai vo jyun ka tyn rahenge. Aap jinka khatir kare to unka yuva parivartan nahi hoga. Woh chahte hain hamara aashirvaad lijiye hamara income khub badh jaye. (This is what they are publicizing, that they are all spies. Chinmayananda does not have any followers. There, those who are foreigners, they are all Hindus. For Hindus—any religious person, if he goes then they are waiting. Anyone says anything, they will listen. They don't get a chance, but Hindus will remain as they are. If you look after them, there will be no youth transformation. They want to take our blessings and our income, should grow constantly.)

Akṣayānanda: No.

Prabhupāda: Gunarnava he has not come. So he is going to Mathurā? You told him? Huh?

Akṣayānanda: He is going after breakfast.

Devotee: What is the purpose?

Akṣayānanda: To meet Prabhupāda's relative, I think?

Prabhupāda: Yes. You have told?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: So from Mathurā he can bring that medicine. You can give him.

Devotee: Castor oil.

Akṣayānanda: I'll tell him, Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: No, no, castor oil can be had . . .

Upendra: Yogendra Ras and Rasanta . . . (indistinct)

Akṣayānanda: I'll have him bring it.

Prabhupāda: You can take the vial. There is, what is called? Sadhana Ausadhalaya.

Akṣayānanda: Ācchā.

Indian man: Dakkha.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Dakkha-da. From there you have to take it.

Akṣayānanda: Sadhana Ausadhalaya.

Prabhupāda: Sadhana. On the bottle it is written there.

Akṣayānanda: I'll have him do it.

Indian man: Maharaj ji subah de sakte hain ki shaam ko. Kis din rakhe karyakram aapka. bada bhari jan samooh ikkhatta hota hai. Ek din sab masti sab parikaron ko leke jhoomenge aur thoda sa vahan publicity bhi ho jayegi aur mission ke sambandh mein do baatein bata denge logo ko. Naam prachar ho jayega. Ek baar apke charan pad jayenge. (Mahārāja, can you give it to me in the evening or in the morning? When should we have your program, a huge crowd will gather. One day we will have a lot of fun with the people and we will dance and there will be a little publicity and we will tell people a few facts about our mission. Preaching of the holy name will happen. Just once your lotus feet will touch the ground.)

Prabhupāda: Vo to hamara experience hai India mein jitna bhi bolo unka jo poonch tedha hai vo seedha nahi hoga. (This is my experience, that in India you preach so much but their tails remain crooked—it won't become straight. They will never take seriously your Māyāvāda philosophy.) Sab Māyāvādī. To Bhagavan ka koi form nahi hai nirakar. Chaitany Mahaprabhu bataye hain Māyāvādī bhasya soonile hoy sadgun pura savanash to Māyāvādī philosophy jo grahan kiya to sarvanash. Nishta kuch nahi hai who nastic hai jitna nastic hai who sab Māyāvādī hai khali dhong hai inka religion. Hai na nastik, Bhagavan hain par uska form nahi hai. Ho gaya kam khatam Kṛṣṇa aparādhī. (They are all Māyāvādīs. So Bhagavan does not have any form, formless. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said: "If you hear the Māyāvādīs, then your good qualities are lost. So those who accept Māyāvādī philosophy are completely destroyed. There is no dedication. All those who are atheists are all Māyāvādīs, their religion is only a show. God is there but He does not have form. Finished, sinners against Kṛṣṇa. They are an offender to Kṛṣṇa, all these Māyāvādīs. And in Vṛndāvana this Māyāvādī philosophy has become very strong. Even the so-called Vaiṣṇavas, they are also . . .) Idhar bahut se Māyāvādī sab aate hain nirakar se Bhagavan sakar hua. Bhagavan khud bataye hain 'avyaktam . . . Pehle main avyakt tha phir sharir dharan kiya. Yeh to ‘param bhavam ajananta' param bhavam ko samjhte nahi isliye Chaitanya Mahaprabhu Māyāvādī sanyasi se nahi milte the. (That is why Caitanya Mahāprabhu never used to meet the Māyāvādīs. Here a lot of Māyāvādīs come. From formless God came with form. God himself has said, avyaktam . . . first He was unmanifest then he became manifest. This, param bhavam ajananta. They don't understand Brahma.)

Indian man: Unke samay mein to Māyāvādī khatam ho gaye the bahut se champat ho gaye the. (During His time there were no longer any Māyāvādīs, many have disappeared. They can't believe God.)

Prabhupāda: Woh to naseeb hai baki personally milte nahi the. (That is fortune but personally he didn't meet.) Yeh india mein visheshkar sab Māyāvādī hain. 'pramanam asat shashtram pracchanam Bauddha mate' bauddha philosophy pracchan roop se hai. Buddhist log bolta hai aap to angrezi samajh jayenge. (In India especially, everyone is a Māyāvādī, pramanam asat shashtram pracchanam Bauddha mate. Buddhist philosophy is in practice. The Buddhist say you can understand English, the Buddhists they say that there is no God. Whatever it may be, they deny. Therefore we call them atheist. But these Māyāvādīs, they take the shelter of the Vedas and they preach the same philosophy, "Yes, brahma-nirākāra.") Uska haath nahi, paair nahi, mooh nahi, kuch nahi, tumhara agar haath kaat diya jaye, paaair kaat diya jaye, gala kaat diya jaaye to tum raha kahan, kya cheez raha, nirakar ho gaya to raha kya. Woh directly bolta hai. (Don't believe in God. He has no hands, no legs, no face, nothing. If your hands are cut, your legs are cut, your throat is cut—then where is your existence? What remains—you have become formless, what remains? They say directly, don't believe in God.) Aur yeh vedashray karke bolta hai God nirakar hai, uska kuch nahi hai. Bus yeh jo aise hi chal raha hai. (And he takes shelter of the vedas and says God is formless, he doesn't have anything. All this is going on.) For the time being, Śaṅkarācārya might have said something like that to turn the Buddhists again to Vedas, but that is temporary. But they have taken it all through.

Indian man: Unhone to . . . par bhashya likha hai. (They have written a commentary on . . .)

Prabhupāda: Are woh to Bhagavan Sri Kṛṣṇa ka avatar hai woh kabhi non-devotee ho sakta hai? woh to paramananda tha. Buddha bhi Bhagavan ka avatar hai. to yeh sab philosophy acchi tarah se samajhna chahiye ki kis samay kya ho raha hai. aur nahi woh thik ho gaya sab din ke liye. (Oh, he is Lord Kṛṣṇa's incarnation, he can never become a non-devotee. He was a paramananda. Buddha is also an incarnation of the Lord. So all this philosophy, you must understand nicely—what is happening, where and at what time. No, that is okay for all the days.)

Indian man: Wahan Thailand mein dekha jo Buddh ke followers hain sab khate hai... Bhojan ka bada.. hai. (In Thailand, I saw all the Buddhist followers they eat . . . the food is . . .)

Prabhupāda: Nahi idhar RamKṛṣṇa mission mein sab khate hain. Aap ko maloom hai? woh bolta hai isme kya harza hai khane mein. Kabhi-kabhi humlog ka students hai unse milta-julta hai woh bolta hai humlog yeh sab chod diya hai to woh protest karta hai isme kya hua hai khane mey. Isi liye woh sab. Aur yeh Māyāvādī advertise karte hain. (Eighty five years they are working. They have no position. No, here also in Ramakrishna Mission everyone eats. Do you know that? They say: "What is wrong in eating this?" Sometimes our students meet them and say we have left all this—then they protest, "What is there in eating this?" That is why they are all . . . and these Māyāvādīs advertise.) What is that? TM?

Brahmānanda: TM, Transcendental Meditation.

Prabhupāda: And what is the items they say?

Brahmānanda: No philosophy, no belief, no restrictions.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) Just see. He is advertising. Mahesh Yogi.

Indian man: Mahesh Yogi, yes. Followers, they are taking everything.

Prabhupāda: He says, "There is no restriction, or no philosophy, no faith. Hamara shashtra mein 'dharmena hina pasubhir samana' woh kehate hain koi jaroorat nahin. Yahi sab chal raha hai. dharma sab yadva-tadva vivekananda bhi yahi bolte hain kitna mat hai. (In our sastra, dharmena hina pasubhir samana—they say it is not required. All this is going on. Religion is all haywire, Vivekananda also says this—so many beliefs.)

Indian man: To yug dharm to sankirtan hai. Bina sankirtan ke yeh sab jugnu hain thodi din ke liye chamak phir khatam ho jate hain. (So yuga dharma is congregational chanting. Without chanting, all this are like fireflies—shining is there for some days, then finished.)

Prabhupāda: Hamara movement ke liye bade-bade sab vidwan kitab likhe hain. (For our movement, all big, big scholars have written books.) Recently one book was published by Professor Judah. He has studied this movement for five years. He came to India. So he has written one book, Hare Kṛṣṇa and Counterculture, but scholarly bahut very much He appreciated. Aur bhi to kitaben sab nikal rahi hain, (Many other books are also coming out,) and the hundred fifty books hai, 150 books are there four hundred pages each. Jitne missionary hai sab likha hai. (All those missionaries who are there are writing.) And we are selling twenty lakhs worth monthly. Tabhi to hamara kharcha hai. (That is why our expenditure.) (break) . . . it is up to that?

Indian man: Kharch bhi aap ka bahut zyada hai. (Your expenditure is also too much.)

Prabhupāda: 20,000 kharch hua idhar ka. lekin kuch parvah nahi karte hain, jo chahe de do. Hum jante hain aadmi . . . karta hai lekin kya karein. Chalo tum jao ghar. Yahan humlog Indian hain thoda... bahut kharch karte hain jaante nahin hain kya kiya jaye. (We spent 20,000 here. But it doesn't matter, whatever you want you give. I know people . . . do but what to do. Okay you go home. Here we are a few Indians . . . they spend a lot, they don't know what to do.)

Indian man: Abhi aur door jaiye hamein to laut ke jana hai. Kisi din karyakram ek din to rakhiye chahe subah rakhiye. ab daily milenge. (You walk further, I have to return and go. Some day keep the program for a day, in the morning, we shall meet daily.)

Akṣayānanda: Nobody knows your limit, Prabhupāda. Nobody knows your limit.

Prabhupāda: No, generally. Who remembers?

Harikeśa: It was way back there.

Brahmānanda: It was back there by that . . . (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Huh? No, no. I remember.

Akṣayānanda: I think it was here somewhere. (break)

Prabhupāda: Ants are freely moving. They do not know it is dangerous. Similarly, all these living entities in material world, they think, "It is not dangerous. It is all right." Ant civilization.

French devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, is there some worship of God in the animal kingdom?

Prabhupāda: No. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Harikeśa: Hut hut hut hut!

Prabhupāda: "Hut" will not do.

Brahmānanda: Stick will do.

Prabhupāda: At least show. (break) Trees and other lower animals, they are abiding by the order of Kṛṣṇa. That is worship.

Brahmānanda: But is it voluntary or involuntary?

Prabhupāda: By force. By force now this tree is standing. He has to stand up here. It cannot move an inch.

Brahmānanda: Would that be considered worship if it is . . .?

Prabhupāda: Yes, it is.

Akṣayānanda: Indirect worship.

Prabhupāda: Indirect worship, abiding. Just like you don't worship the government, revolt. But when you are put into jail you have to worship the government.

Akṣayānanda: We don't worship, yet we don't break the law.

Prabhupāda: You cannot break the law. Outside you break law. That you can do. But when you are put into jail, then you cannot. And jail means unless the government finds that you are now obedient to the government laws . . . (dog growling and barking)

Brahmānanda: Hut!

Devotees: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: He is taking our shelter, (laughter) the other dog.

Akṣayānanda: I've seen dogs follow saṅkīrtana party for many miles. Once a dog was following, and he had tilaka, he had a tilaka mark on his head.

Prabhupāda: No, no. Who? Who marked it? Somebody? No, no. You should not do it.

Brahmānanda: Did someone put tilaka on the dog?

Akṣayānanda: Oh, I mean to say the color of his body was such.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that is another thing. But you cannot put tilaka. Don't make tilaka so cheap. Natural tilaka, that is another thing.

Akṣayānanda: Yes.

French devotee (2): If a devotee step on the ant, does the ant receive some benefit?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

French devotee (2): If a devotee step on a ant by mistake, the ant . . .

Prabhupāda: You should be careful. Why should you commit mistake? But if unconsciously by mistake it is done, that is another thing.

Brahmānanda: He wants to know does the ant receive benefit?

Prabhupāda: No. Then he will be lenient to kill them to give them benefit. (laughter) He'll be so . . .

Brahmānanda: Like they say "mercy killing," that "This is good for you. I will kill you and it is good for you."

Prabhupāda: Yes. You should always think that you are responsible for its killing. But it may be Kṛṣṇa may excuse you. That is another thing. Consciously you cannot kill. (break)

Akṣayānanda: . . . people in India, Prabhupāda, are still pure vegetarians, but almost all of their children eat eggs and try to smoke cigarettes, and they don't stop them because they don't have any philosophy because of the Māyāvādī philosophy.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Akṣayānanda: Almost 90% of all the people we preach to, they are all influenced by Māyāvādī philosophy.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That I was talking. (break)

Brahmānanda: . . . say that the egg is from God and the apple is from God.

Prabhupāda: So why don't you eat apple? (laughter)

Akṣayānanda: They are also envious of you, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: I know that. Do they say like that?

Akṣayānanda: Not directly. But when we explain how many things, what is being done, and we show photographs, how people have become devotees, they will say: "Yes, but have you heard of Swami So-and-so?" And we'll say: "Yes, we have heard of him. But our Guru Mahārāja has got thousands of devotees all over the world." "Yes, he has also got thousands of devotees." They'll minimize, even though it's there in black and white.

Prabhupāda: But where they are?

Brahmānanda: Yeah. Where are those thousands of disciples of these other swamis?

Prabhupāda: "Here we are, but where are the swami's disciples?" Ask them.

Akṣayānanda: Then they will become angry.

Prabhupāda: "No, no. Well, don't be angry. Well, Bhaktivedanta Swami's disciples, we are present here. Present anyone else. So how shall I believe you?"

Akṣayānanda: Then they will say, "We are doing the same as you. But we don't have to help you because we are already doing the same thing. We are feeding the poor, giving charity."

Prabhupāda: Yes. They do not understand.

Akṣayānanda: But yet their children are eating eggs, giving up. (break)

Brahmānanda: . . . say that they are doing the same thing that we are doing, then that should be a reason to help us, not to not help us. If we're doing the same thing, therefore if you are helping one, then you must help the other also.

Akṣayānanda: Yes. That's what I tell them. They say: "We already helped the other, but you came too late, so therefore we can't help you."

Prabhupāda: "So you are so poor?"—(aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa—"that you cannot help the second man? Then how you are charitable? You must be open to give charity to everyone." No use talking.

French devotee (1): They are very rich, Śrīla Prabhupāda. They are very rich.

Prabhupāda: Richer than us? (laughter) Do you think?

French devotee (1): No.

Prabhupāda: How many branches he has got of his business?

Akṣayānanda: So I usually tell them, "It is not for us that we want help, but so that we can help others." They like that. They can appreciate humanitarian viewpoint, material benefit. That's all.

Prabhupāda: So we are giving the best humanitarian service—to stop his repetition of birth and death.

Brahmānanda: The final solution.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Brahmānanda: This is the final solution.

Akṣayānanda: In India, now in the cities, wherever we go, there are so many big cinema houses being built. So if the young people are not yet tired of that, then how will we convince them of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? They all go by the thousands to the cinema house.

Prabhupāda: You approach the cinema proprietor and make him a member. We have got contribution from a very big cinema man.

Brahmānanda: Raj Kapoor has become a patron member.

Prabhupāda: You can show his letter, how he appreciates. So similarly, you can collect some money. So this money is coming from the cinema visitors, so indirectly they will be benefited. Yes.

Akṣayānanda: That is only indirectly, eh? Money is there, and they will give. Still they'll go on showing the nonsense, and all the young people are going and being corrupted.

Prabhupāda: That is going on everywhere, not only in the cinema. Karmīs. So our duty is to take some service; then they will be benefited by that. Kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṇam. Kṛṣṇa says: "Whatever you do doesn't matter. The result, give Me." (break)

French devotee (2): They go to cinema because they have no adventures in their life. So they go to cinema. If they become Kṛṣṇa conscious, so they don't need to go to cinema.

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa conscious is not so cheap. Have you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Don't take Kṛṣṇa consciousness so cheap that they will go to cinema and become Kṛṣṇa conscious.

Brahmānanda: No, he says that if they become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then they will stop going to the cinema.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the test. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra (SB 11.2.42). Advancement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness means he's no more interested with anything material. That is Kṛṣṇa conscious. There is a Bengali proverb, ami dugdha khaya eta mako khaya: "The children, they take milk, and adults, they smoke." So one is speaking that "I take milk and smoke also."

Brahmānanda: He thinks he's all right. "I'm okay."

Prabhupāda: Yes. "I go to temple and I do all nonsense also."

Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa. We shall go directly temple?

Brahmānanda: Yes. (end)