771013 - Conversation B - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771013R2.VRNDAVAN - October 13, 1977 - 63:43 Minutes

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada Pisima eschen. Uni jijnes korchen, apni kichu caiben . . . khaben ki apni? (Srila Prabhupada, Pisima has come. She is asking that will you eat something?)

Prabhupāda: Ki khabo? (What shall I eat?)

Bhakti-caru: Pisima, Prabhupada jijnes korchen ki khaben uni? (Pisima, Prabhupada is asking what will he eat?)

Pisima: Duti . . . duti muri. Dudher sar mekhe khabe? Bhalo lagbe bes cini diye. Khabe? (Some puffed rice. Will you eat with some milk cream? That will be tasty with sugar. Will you eat?)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Pisima: Ki khete iccha kore? (What do you wish to eat?)

Bhakti-caru: Uni otai bolchen. (He agrees with that.)

Pisima: Huh?

Bhakti-caru: Mudi, sar diye. (Puffed rice with milk cream.)

Pisima: Hya ami bolchito cini diye mukharacok hobe. (Yes, I was saying so, it will be delicious with the sugar.) (to Bhakti-caru) Dudh ta ache jal deoa? (Is the milk on the fire?)

Bhakti-caru: Dekhchi. (I am going to see.)

Pisimi: Muri anen. (Bring some puffed rice.)

Bhakti-caru: Se ami byabasta korchi. Apni bosben ekhane? (I am arranging that. Will you sit here?)

Pisima: Hya, ekhon to khabe. (Yes, because he will eat now.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Ami dekhichi. (Yes I'm arranging.)

Pisima: Main eta guchiye diyo (Main this thing is you have to arrange) . . . (indistinct) (kīrtana) (break)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Purī Mahārāja.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Ar ke? (Who else?)

Purī Mahārāja: Ar Asram Maharaj, tarpore amader Bisakha Pattanamer Purusattam brahmacari, ekhon Tirtha Maharaj hoyechen tini, tarpore Ananda Prabhuo esechen. (And Asrama Mahārāja, Purusattam brahmacari who has now become now Tirtha Mahārāja from our Bisakha Pattanam, and Ananda Prabhu also came.)

Prabhupāda: Koi? (Where?)

Purī Mahārāja: (calling Ananda prabhu) Eiye Ananda prabhu, asen. (Ananda prabhu! Please come here.)

Ananda prabhu: Dandavat pranam Maharaj! (Obeisances Mahārāja!)

Prabhupāda: Apnar carane aporadh hoyeche. (I may commit offenses towards your feet.)

Ananda prabhu: Nehi Maharaj. Apnara sasak, ciro kal sasaka. (No Mahārāja, all of you are rulers forever.)

Prabhupāda: Amake khama koren. (Please forgive me.)

Ananda prabhu: Cira kaler sasak apni. Sasan koribe amanio ke. Pracur procar korecilen ek chatra samrat sarvavouma Hare Krsna maha-mantra iha eki katha ache Maharaj, eito Prabhupader asirvad, Maha-prabhur asirvad. (You are the ruler forever. You can correct the junior. You have preached a lot about the Hare Krsna maha-mantra as a sovereign King so this is the thing Mahārāja—this is the mercy of Prabhupada and Mahaprabhu.)

Prabhupāda: Yar yar carane aparadh hoyeche, sakale amake khama korun. Ei sob vaisanava aparadh. Ektu aisarya hoyate garvita hoye gechilam. (I have committed offences at the feet of everyone, so everyone please forgive me. This is actually vaisanava aparadha. I was proud to be a little rich.)

Ananda prabhu: (laughs) Kichu garbita na. (This is not your pride.)

Prabhupāda: Eisob apnara gurubhai. Pracar korte hole onek samay abol tabol bokte hoy, hya na korle cole na. Er mon rakhte hoy or mon rakh . . . (All of you are my Godbrothers. There was a lot of nonsense during my preaching. Yes, otherwise that won't be perfect. Need to pamper their mind . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Ar pracare te Hare Krsna mantra pracare te, apna apni asairya pechane pechane doure yay. Seta Krsnar sampatti, apni bhakta pracur pracar prasar kore chilen Prabhupada, Mahaprabhur iccha te, ei to katha, ar ki katha? Aparadh kothay Maharaj? Sarva-mangala. Aparadh bole katha nai kichu. (And this supremacy automatically runs after you while preaching the Hare Krishna Mantra. That is the wealth of Krsna, and as you have preached a lot by the will of Prabhupada and Mahaprabhu, that's why you got all this, this is an actual fact and nothing else. What are your offenses Mahārāja? Everything is auspicious. There is nothing that is offensive.)

Prabhupāda: Amar kusti pramane param ayu nai. Ta chara keno ye rekhechen Bhagavan? (According to my leprosy I don't have longevity, but still why God kept me here?)

Ananda prabhu: Sob tuku guru krpa, Gauranga krpa ye ache na Maharaj! Eirakam samsar cakra se cole giyeche, ekhon bhakti cakra, bhakti cakrai to sarva-mangal. "Seva-sukha dukha parma sampada na saya avidya duksha", seva holo to avidya nasta hoye gelo, duksha holo avidya nasta hoye gelo bhakter, onek loker mangal korlen, patita pabana kore dilen apni Prabhupader iccha te, Mahaprabhur iccha te, ihar theke sampatti ache Maharaj. Sampatti ei . . . (Mahārāja, you have the mercy of Guru and Gauranga. Your family circle has gone and now you have the devotional circle which is all auspicious. "Seva-sukha dukha parma sampada na saya avidya duksha". After serving the Lord, ignorance goes away. When sorrow comes, ignorance goes away from devotees. You did good to many people, you have purified the fallen by the will of Prabhupada and Mahaprabhu, by that you have got that property Mahārāja. This property . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ei sastrete duksha ta tapasya mene niyeche. Dukshata welcome koreche. Er dvarate tapasya hoy pabitra hoy. Ekhon apnara sob amake kshama korun, ami nacai . . . Purī Mahārāj . . . (The sorrows are accepted in sastra as austerity. They have welcomed the sorrow because this is austerity, and by this one gets purified. Now all of you please forgive me, I am a puppet . . . Purī Mahārāja . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Mahārāja! (Yes, Mahārāja!)

Prabhupāda: Sob kshama korben to! (Will everyone forgive me!) (everyone laughs) Ta apnara ektu sob prasad peyeyan. (So everyone please take some prasadam.)

Purī Mahārāja: Amrao kichu prasad ene diyechi. (We have also brought some prasadam.)

Prabhupāda: Hya! (Really!)

Purī Mahārāja: Amader utsav hoyechilo okhane, Madhava Maharajer okhane kichu maha-pasad . . . (We had our festival there, the place of Madhava Mahārāja, so some maha-prasada . . .)

Prabhupāda: Madhava Maharaj nai ekhane? (Is Madhava Mahārāja not present here?)

Purī Mahārāja: Nei. Tini Candigare te achen. (Not here. He is now in Chandigarh.)

Prabhupāda: Tini ekta Telegram pathiyeche. (He has sent a telegram.)

Purī Mahārāja: Taro sarir bises bhalo yacche na. (His health is also not going so well.)

Prabhupāda: Sakaleri sarir bhenge poreche. (Everyone gets bad health.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya, ekhon purono yara achen sakali pray . . . bayos hoyeche sakaler to . . . (Yes, almost all of those who are old now . . . as they are old . . .)

Prabhupāda: Huh!

Purī Mahārāja: Asi bachor kacha kachi, keu hoyto asi bachor par hoyechen ekhon sakaleri erokam abastha. Tabe Mayapure ya dekhechilam tar ceye onek sarir ekhon sirna hoye poreche. (Some one's age is near 80, someone has crossed 80 years—now everyone has the same conditions. But your body became more slender than what I saw in Mayapur.)

Ananda prabhu: . . . (indistinct)

Purī Mahārāja: Kichu ahar kichu grahan korechen Maharaj? (Did you eat something Mahārāja?)

Bhakti-caru: Uni ajke kichu grahan korechen. Naoto pray du mas dhore, du-tin mas dhore kichui na. (Yes, only today he has eaten something, otherwise since two or three months he has not eaten anything.)

Prabhupāda: Basun . . . (indistinct) . . . er opore. (Please sit down on the . . . .) (indistinct)

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . er opor basen na. (please sit on the.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya. (Yes.)

Prabhupāda: Pechane ke ache? (Who is behind you?)

Purī Mahārāja: Pechane! Saci-nandan. (Behind us. It's Saci-nandan.)

Prabhupāda: Tumi kothay acho? (Where are you?)

Saci-nandan: Ekhane achi. (I am here.)

Prabhupāda: (to Bhakti-caru swami) Bhakti . . . .

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Srila Prabhupada. (Yes, Srila Prabhupada.)

Prabhupāda: Oder sob ki byabasta . . . (Is there arrangement for them . . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Hya korchi Srila Prabhupada. (Yes, I am going to do that Srila Prabhupada.)

Prabhupāda: Ektu sob kirtana karo, ora prasad debe . . . (You please do a kirtana a little bit, they will give you prasada . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Thik. Aste aste . . . (Right. Slowly slowly . . .)

Prabhupāda: Kajan eyechen, sob thik thak kore . . . (How many people have come, everything is arranged properly . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Apnara kato jan achen? (How many of you are there?)

Purī Mahārāja: Kirtane ektu Tirtha Maharaj bolechilen kirtan korte hobe tai, tai bolechi kirtan korar janya . . . (Tirtha Mahārāja has said we have to do kirtana there, so that's why we have come for kirtana . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Accha! Thik ache. Ekhane korun. (Okay. All right. Do it here.)

Devotee: Ekhanei korte hobe? (Have to do here?)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

(devotees talking to each other)

Prabhupāda: Na, na khankatak puri, halua ar ektu tarkari bas. (No, no some puri, halva and a little curry, that's it.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha!

Ananda prabhu: Na, na kichu darkar nei Maharaj. (No, no, doesn't need anything Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Na, na. (No, no.)

Ananda prabhu: Kichu darkar nei, esob kichu byabasta . . . (There is no need to arrange anything . . .)

Prabhupāda: Na, na darkar nei bolben na. (No, no, don't say that you don't need it.)

Bhakti-caru: (to the guest devotees) Uni yakhan bolchen . . . (If he is saying then . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ek khana kheleo ami santusta. (I will be satisfied if you eat at least one.)

(kīrtana led by Purī Mahārāja)

Prabhupāda: Babaji Maharaj asen ni? (Babaji Mahārāja did not come? Huh?)

Purī Mahārāja: Huh?

Prabhupāda: Babaji Mahārāja?

Purī Mahārāja: Babaji Maharaj sakle esechen. (Babaji Mahārāja came in the morning.) (Puri Mahārāja leading kirtana "Radha kunda tata") (break)

Devotee: Maharaj apni bar bar keno bolchen . . . (Mahārāja, why are you saying this repeatedly . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Mahārāja, ar kshama ki? "dharma artha kam gataya samaya pathe ca". Apnar ye pracar hoyeche, Prabhupader iccha purna koredilen apni, Mahaprabhur iccha purna hoye gelo. Tarpore ya aisarya hobar se ape ape asche onasakta bhabe, ei sakalke apni ye paban korlen . . . (Mahārāja, why are you asking forgiveness? "Dharma artha kam gataya samaya pathe ca". You have fulfilled the desire of Prabhupada and Mahaprabhu by your preaching. After that, the supremacy has come automatically without any effort—you have purified everyone . . .)

Prabhupāda: Galpo hoye gelo . . . (this must be gossip . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Galpo ki kore holo Maharaj! (laughs) Ei Mahaprabhur iccha hoy sarbatra . . . Bhakti-vinoda Thakura bolchen ye "setanga purusa, krsnanga purusa yei din ha nitai, ha gauranga bole kulakuli korbe prem anande bhasbe, gara gari debe, eita Mahaprabhur iccha, tar vani purna korlen apni. (saying sloka from CC) Caintanya Cartamrte lekha ache eksa egaro prstha te eta likhechen Caitanya Cartamrta te seta Prabhupada parichilen na chiro bhabe. Apni purna kore dilen bhisal arjane . . . (indistinct) . . . kore dilen, eta galpo. Eito galpo sara siddha galpo e. (laughs) Eta galpo uttama galpo. (How it can be gossip Mahārāja? (laughs) The desire of Mahaprabhu was everywhere . . . Bhaktivinoda Thakur has said that the white people and the black people will be combined together and they will cry out loud by calling Nitai Gauranga! They will hug each other for the sake of love and they will roll in the dust, this was the desire of Mahaprabhu and you have succeeded that vani (speaks sloka from Caitanya-caritāmṛta). It is written in Caitanya-caritāmṛta on page 111, and Prabhupada was not able to complete it. You have been filled with great achievement . . . (indistinct) . . . you did this. So yes, this is gossip, even more than gossip. (laughs) The gossip of a huge achievement and this is the best gossip to speak.)

Purī Mahārāja: Maharaj ya korechen ta "na bhutam . . . na bhutam na bhavisyati". Ar erokam pracar aro keu korbe? Khub alpo samayer madhye . . . (What the Mahārāja has done, no one has done in the past, and will not do in the future. Will anyone preach like this? Within a very short period . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Para, Odisha, desha, baika, baiko paryanta ei kathai bolche sune aschi ami. Odisha parvat ancaler madhya. Apnar ye pracar Hare Krsna maha-mantra pracar. (In every village of Odisha, I heard that everyone was talking about this. In the mountains of Odisha they were talking about your preaching of Hare Krsna maha-mantra.)

Purī Mahārāja: Ekhon apni . . . (Now you are . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Hare Krsna . . . Hare Krsna . . . saheba math hoyeche sakale bole. Saheba o vaisanava hoyeche sakalei bole. Amra udaharan o di, "tomra Bharat-vasi brahman hole saheb oder . . . tara yeta parityag kore mol, mutra tyag ta tomra grahan karo, ajiban tomra ca, bidi charte parle na, tomra ki Bharat-vasi tomra to gupta car sob. Gupta papi tara dekho tara aj sob dekho calo amar sange dekhiye di tomake, tomra dekho eso . . . (Everyone says that the Hare Krsna matha of Saheba is there. Saheba also became a vaisanava, everyone says like this. We sometimes give examples like this, "All you are Indians, brahmana—but the things which are the Sahebas are passing urine, stool and you are taking those. You could not give up tea and bidi for life, are you Indian? Actually all of you are the spy. You are nothing but sinners. Let's come with me. I will show you, then you will be able to see . . .)

Prabhupāda: Era sob khub bhalo . . . (All of them are sages . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Sei to Maharaj . . . (Actually Mahārāja . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ami mahapapi . . . (I am a big sinner . . .) (laughter)

Ananda prabhu: Maha-patita paban . . . ederke patita dekhe apni pabana korlen tahole maha patita pabon apni. (The great fallen purifier . . . you have seen them fallen and you purified them, so you became the great purifier of the fallen.)

Prabhupāda: Era khub bhalo to . . . (They are very good people . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Satta to Maharaj, ta sakale bole murkha theke pandit paryanta sob bole . . . (I am telling the truth Mahārāja, every person also says this. From the uneducated to a scholar, everyone says the same . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ami . . . (I am . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Ei janya pabon o korlen apni . . . Prabhupad o bolechilen, "amra to Harijan, harijan ke? Harijan mane tara mal parskar kore, amra karma mol, ajnan mol o parskar koredi, amar moton Harijan ke ache jagate? Ekmatra ami". Apni to sei Harijan sober mol parskar kore dilen paban kore dilen. (This way you purified them . . . Prabhupada once said that, "We are actually Harijana, so who is called Harijana? Harijana means those who clean stool, just like that we clean the stool of karma and ignorance, so who like me is the Harijana in this world? Only I am". So you are also like the Harijana who purified them.)

Prabhupāda: Sob kichu . . . (Everything . . .)

Ananda prabhu: . . . (indistinct) . . . mal tyag kore ar tumi parskar kore dilen, apnar janye hailo . . . (sloka) . . . ei adarsa ta era, kirakam mala, Harinam, prasad chara kichu sparsa karen na ei katha to sarvatra sobai janche Maharaj. Tara . . . parcay dicche era. Ajke eki katha ache. Apradh o kothay? Ya ye sampatti ache se haate haate aniccha satteo asche apnar kahe, dhabita hocche se. (they are in stool and you purified them, everything has happened for you (sloka). They are actually ideal, how are they chanting on mala, Harinama, and they are not taking anything except Krsna prasada. So everyone everywhere is knowing this Mahārāja. They are actually showing identity. I will say the same, that is when did you make offenses? The property you have got, that has come to you automatically. Everything is running after you though you are not desiring to have this.)

Prabhupāda: Ta ache . . . (Yes, that is there . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Tobe! Eito Mahaprabhur bakya, sastra bakya, Prabhupader bakya, Krsner bakya. Ar Maha-pad to bur te pare ar bure uthate pare sob katake, ar keu dob na . . . (indistinct) . . . ki kasto ye jane se jane. (Then! These are the words of Mahaprabhu, the scriptures, Prabhupada and Krsna. And you are the diver who can dive and save the sinking person, then no one will sink . . . (indistinct) . . . the pain of it, one who has experienced, he knows.)

Prabhupāda: Sob Hindi boi onek chapa hoye geche. Ye Hindi . . . (Many Hindi books are already published. The Hindi which . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Bhagavat ta complete koriyechen? (Did you complete the Bhagavata?)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Purī Mahārāja: Kichu ache naki? (Is there anything left?)

Prabhupāda: Kichu ache. (Yes something is left.)

Purī Mahārāja: Kichu ache. Na lekha chapano? (Something is left. No, your writing or publishing?)

Prabhupāda: Lekha onekta baki ache. (There is a lot left to write.)

Purī Mahārāja: Thik ache. Era korte parbe to? (It's okay. Can they do that?)

Prabhupāda: Egaro skanda. (11th Canto.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hoye geche! (It is done!)

Prabhupāda: Baro skanda. (12th Canto.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: Okhane Bhubanesware ekta math toiri hocche. (There in Bhubaneswar a matha is being built.)

Ananda prabhu: Patrkate uthechilo Bhubaneswar math korchilo bole. (It was published in the newspaper about the building of the Bhubaneswar matha.)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Ananda prabhu: Patrka te sob . . . Odisha patrkay eita lekha hoyeche. Duiso koti . . . arai koti taka kharac kore matha korchen Maharaj ei bole. (In all the newspapers . . . the newspaper of Odisha, it was written. Mahārāja spent 2.50 crore to build a matha, it was published like this.)

Prabhupāda: Apni yeye sahayya korte paren. (You can go and help them.)

Ananda prabhu: (laughs) Amar ki sahayya Maharaj, amar oi bhasa jana nai lantha(?), murkha . . . (How can I help the Mahārāja, I don't know their language and I am uneducated . . .)

Prabhupāda: Okhane Gaur-govinda ache. (There is Gaura-govinda.)

Purī Mahārāja: Tini utsahi byakti yak, yajna byakti. Parsram korchen uni. (He is a qualified and enthusiastic person. He is giving labor.)

Prabhupāda: Ye yagata Kanangar diyecho? (Did you give the place Kanangar?)

Purī Mahārāja: Nityananda Kanangar diyechi. (I have given Nityananda Kanangar.)

Prabhupāda: Bhalo jayga. Vrndavan foundation diye, Odishar sob baro baro lok sob . . . (That's a good place. For the Vrndavana foundation, all rich persons of Odisha . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Esechen? (They have come?)

Prabhupāda: Nityananda Kanangar tar . . . (indistinct Bengali) (. . . Nityananda Kanangar his) . . .

Purī Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . Nityananda Kanangar nam acheto Odisha te, tini niscaite chilen tarpore governor o chilen. (The name Nityananda Kanangar is there in Odisha, he was there, he was a governor there.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Purī Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . ar vaisnav bicar dhara anujai. (and according to the vaisanava analysis.)

Prabhupāda: Ar kothay kothay sob dicche, Odishay? (Where are they giving in Odisha?)

Purī Mahārāja: Age sob Odhisha seth chilo, rajara chilo tara arthik sahayya korte parto besi kore. Kintu ekhon tader abastha durabastha, tara bises sahayya korte pare na. Yara dhoni class ache tara (Earlier Odhisha had all the seth and Kings so they could help financially more and more. But now their condition is so bad that they can't help much. Those of the rich class, those) . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Devotee: Hare Krsna!

Prabhupāda: Yai hok yato ta sahayya kora gelo . . . (Anyway, we could help . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Korlen pracur (You did a lot) . . . (indistinct)

Ananda prabhu: Karuna kore dilen . . . Mahaprabhur iccha, Prabhupader iccha purna hoye gelo. (You showered the mercy . . . the desire of Mahaprabhu and Prabhupada (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura) has been fulfilled.)

Purī Mahārāja: Dash, baro bachoreer madhye etota korlen, ar keu kare nai, ar keu korteo parbe na. Ekhon ye ya boluk . . . ei tuku samarthan korte hobe. (In these 10 to 12 years you have done so much that no one has done before and no one will do in the future. Now whatever anyone says . . . they should admit this.)

Prabhupāda: Nadi katodin colbe? (How long will this pulse last?)

Ananda prabhu: Ekhan ei Krsnai satha, ar ei manse ache . . . (indistinct) . . . tar icchate apni nari ho . . . ei abastha te uni to dekhichen sobo . . . (indistinct) (Now the only hope is Krsna and these people . . . (indistinct) . . . by His will your pulse . . . he is watching you in this . . . (indistinct))

Purī Mahārāja: Jagater . . . apnar thakate ei jagater kalyan, mangal hocche seiti . . . eiti hote thakbe. Yakhan Haridas Thakur ke bolechen . . . (The world is prospering because you live in this world . . . this will have been continued.)

Prabhupāda: Apni to kaviraj, dekhun nari. (You are a Kaviraja, so check my pulse.)

Ananda prabhu: Hat ta dekhun. (Check this hand.)

(checking pulse)

Purī Mahārāja: Ekhon nari ba sarir jnan, sarir bijnan sangeto kono sammandhya nei Maharaj apnar, ekhon Bhagavad iccha aprakrta sarir, ebong Bhagavad icchatei, Bhagavan yatadin rakhben jagater mangal, Bhagavan yodi niye yan tahole jagater amangal. Yei Haridas thakur ke Mahaprabhu bolchen ye apni ratna, apni yodi cole jan tahole ei ratna sob hobe . . . (indistinct) . . . sei rakam apni jagater eto ta kalyan korchen, apni yodi sigire yan, tahole ei jagater amangal, oi janye Krsna apnay kichu din rakhte can tar iccha bhalo. (Mahārāja you now have nothing to do with the science of pulse or body knowledge of the body. Now you have a transcendental body by the will of God, and by the will of God as much as He wants to keep you in this world— the world will be benefited, if God takes you back then the world will be miserable. As Mahaprabhu has told Haridasa Thakura that, "You are the jewel, so if you go then these jewels will . . . (indistinct) . . ." Just like that, you have done lots of good things for this world. So if you go so quickly, then that will be miserable for the world. That's why if Krsna wants to keep you here for a few more days, that will be very good—it is his will.)

Prabhupāda: Nari sesh hoye geche! (My pulse stopped beating!)

Purī Mahārāja: Nari colche sesh hoyni. (Pulse does not stop beating.) (laughs) Nari colche. (The pulse beat is going.)

Prabhupāda: Na . . . kusthi . . . (No . . . leprosy . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Apni tahole bolun na kirakam . . . ajnan abasthay tini chilen panera din paryanta Tirtha Mahārāja, panera din, ajnan. Apnar to pari purna, sampurna jnan. Eito aprakrta laksan dekha yacche . . . (indistinct) . . . kichui moha bah ajnan kichui nai, tandra nei, moho nei kichu nei. Amader Baikhanas Mahārāja tini pray ek bachor, du bachor bibhar sthite chilen dui bachor. Mahārāja to purbete yerakam chilen serakam ache, tobe sarir dharma yeta ache, sarir dharma, sarir dharma korche. Saririk dharma ye dharma ache tar dharma se palan korche. Kintu apni pari purna jnan ya ache ta ache. (Just think about it, that once Tirtha Mahārāja was unconscious for fifteen days. But you are fully conscious, so this is the transcendental thing we can see in you . . . (indistinct) . . . you are not unconscious, not even dozing. You are not in ignorance. Our Baikhanas Mahārāja had been unconscious for about 2 years. But Mahārāja you are exactly the same as you were before, but this is the nature of the body—so it's following it's bodily nature. The nature the body has, the body is following it's nature. But your consciousness is the same as before.)

Prabhupāda: Ei ye ayu sesh hoye geche athaca Krsna ekhono baciye rekheche. (See, my longevity is over but still Krsna has kept me alive.)

Purī Mahārāja: Mahārāja ei ye Markundar katha sona yay, tini saat bachar bayose, saat kalpo thaklen. Erakam Bhagavat icchay param ayu brddhi hoyto. Ekhon amader Sridhar Mahārāja bolchen collis bachor amar karma yatak hisabete, collis bachor. To ami bollam collis bachor ekhon ashi bachor par hoye giyeche. Ekhon Bhagavaner iccha te hoy. Bayoser sange kono sammandha nei, yataker sange kono sammandha nei. (Mahārāja we have heard the story of Markunda who lived seven kalpas at the age of seven. So like this by the will of God longevity increases. Now see our Sridhar Mahārāja. Once he shared that according to his karma yataka, he got only 40 years of life. So I said you have already crossed 40 years. This happens by the will of God. So this has nothing to with age and the yataka.) (break)

Prabhupāda: Nārāyana Mahārāja?

Purī Mahārāja: Nārāyana Mahārāja okhan kar Kesav Gaudiya mather naki? Amader Kesav Gaudiya mather, tinio esechilen. (Nārāyana Mahārāja, is he from Kesava Gaudiya Matha? Yes he is from our Kesava Gaudiya Matha he came.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's in Mathurā.

Purī Mahārāja: Yes. He came today.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He came yesterday as well.

Purī Mahārāja: Well, he came here today, during feasting. Just now he left. He told me also, you should go there, his . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ei dike ke dariye? (Who is standing at this side?)

Purī Mahārāja: Edike? Satranga brahmacari ra, oi Andhrapradesh theke esechen, dujon bhakto tara matha basi. (This side? There is satranga brahmacaris. They have come from Andhrapradesh, two devotees who live in the matha.)

Ananda prabhu: Kumari devir ashrame Jayapur Mahārāja ar Kanya kumari . . . (indistinct) . . . mathe giyechilen. (Jayapur Mahārāja from Kumari devi ashram and Kanya kumari . . . (indistinct) . . . they went to the Matha.)

Purī Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . matha pradata Jayapur Mahārāja, Bikramdeva Barman tar meye tinio esechen apnar darsane. (matha provider Jayapur Mahārāja, Bikramdeva Barman and her daughter also came to take a darsana of you.)

Prabhupāda: Rani? (Queen?)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya. Bikramadeva Barman Jayapur. Ganjame(?) Matha! Sei Matha yini diyechilen ar ki, tar kanya. Apni dekhechen Visakhapatnam te onake dekhechen . . . (Yes. Bikramadeva Barman of Jayapur. Ganjeme Matha. The person who provided that Matha, his daughter. You have seen her in Visakhapatnam . . .)

Ananda prabhu: Dekhechen onake (You may see her) . . . (indicating the lady devotee) uni (she is) . . .

Purī Mahārāja: Hare Krsna! Haat jurche . . . namaskar korun . . . (She crosses her hand . . . pay obeisances . . .)

Lady devotee: Hare Krsna!

Prabhupāda: Apni eschen baro ananda holo. (It is a great pleasure that you have come.)

Purī Mahārāja: (to lady devotee) Apnake bolchen, apni esechen baro ananda pelo. (He is telling you that he is very happy to see you have come.)

Lady devotee: (talking in Odisha language)

Prabhupāda: Basun. (Please sit down.)

Purī Mahārāja: (talking in Odisha to the lady devotee)

Prabhupāda: Uni to apnar sisya. (She is your disciple.)

Ananda prabhu: Hya, sisya. (Yes, she is his disciple.)

Prabhupāda: Apnar mathe ekhon kato jan ache? (How many people do you have in your Matha?)

Purī Mahārāja: Visakhapatname to achei, car-pac jan achen, ekhon car-pac jan amader sange esechen, ar Rajmandir mathe to car-chay jan achen. (There are 3 to 4 people already in Visakhapatnam. 3 to 4 people also came with me now, and in Rajmandir Matha, 4 to 6 people are there.)

Prabhupāda: Ami kon mathe gechilam? (Which Matha did I visit?)

Purī Mahārāja: Apni Visakhapatnam mathe giyechilen, Rajmandir mathe giyechilen. Rajmandir Math pratisthar samay giyechilen. Tarpore Visakhapatnam Mathe to esechilen, takhan Gosvami . . . Tamal Krsna Gosvami tarpore aro onek jan . . . pray bish jan esechilen. Tarpore (You were in Visakhapatnam Matha, and the Rajmandir Matha. When the Matha was established, then you also visited the Matha of Visakhapatnam, that time the Gosvami . . . Tamala Krsna Gosvami and many others also went there . . . about 20 people have come there. After that . . .) Who is that? He is in charge of Colombo. Where . . .?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Brahmānanda Mahārāja?

Purī Mahārāja: Not Brahmānanda Mahārāja.

Hari-śauri: Hṛdayānanda. South America?

Purī Mahārāja: (Na Saccida na . . . or nam ta ki? Heimarathi se . . . (No, not Saccida . . . what is his name? Heimarathi like this . . .)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Haṁsadūta. Here he is.

Purī Mahārāja: Haṁsadūta. (laughs)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He took sannyāsa.

Purī Mahārāja: Hah! I have seen him, but I could not able to . . . Haṁsadūta. He sings well. Last parikrama I saw him.

Prabhupāda: O Shillonge te khub bhalo procar koreche. (He preached very nicely in Shillong.)

Purī Mahārāja: Procar karechen. (He preached.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He captured a very big scientist.

Purī Mahārāja: Scientist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One Dr. Kovoor.

Purī Mahārāja: Sinhali.

'Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, in Ceylon. And this Dr. Kovoor was saying that life comes from chemicals. So Haṁsadūta Mahārāja challenged him that, "If life comes from chemicals, then I will give you ten lakhs rupees if you come to this hall and you make chemicals into life."

Purī Mahārāja: Life. (laughs)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he challenged him to a big thing, and in the newspapers every day for two or three months there was discussion between Haṁsadūta Mahārāja on behalf of the belief that life comes from life, not from chemicals—life comes from Kṛṣṇa. So he defeated this man, big scientist.

Purī Mahārāja: Ācchā. Ah, good.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And the man did not come.

Prabhupāda: You can read one newspaper article.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One of the articles?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Khub tarka bitarka. Ami challenge korte bolechilam ye There too much debate. (So I told him to challenge that "Prepare one mosquito.") (Purī Mahārāja laughs) Ar eisob bisaye ekhane te ka theke kichu alocana hobe, baro baro sob Chemist ra asche. (And from tomorrow a discussion will be started and all some great chemists are coming.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Shall I read, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ". . . the appropriate chemical into himself to check death . . ." Let him make himself deathless. "And restore his old and worn-out body with youthful luster and beauty. He may find this task too difficult, so perhaps he could just produce a simple form of life like a mosquito or a bedbug. Better still, let him recombine the chemicals of the praying mantis he decapitated, as described in his article, and bring it back to life. Or, is the science of Dr. Kovoor only a one-way road of destruction of life? But it may be that science is not yet ready to produce a finished product of life, so he could make a plastic egg and inject into it the yellow and white chemical substances, incubate such an artificial egg and thereby produce one chicken, which could then go on laying eggs and producing more and more chickens. Even this task may be a little too difficult for Dr. Kovoor, so perhaps he could simply produce a drop of milk or a grain of rice or an ounce of gold by chemical combination. Then we could begin to take him seriously. However, everyone knows that these are impossible tasks for even the most powerful so-called scientist. Dr. Kovoor will undoubtedly give the reader in his next exposition a long-winded barrage of words to cover up his bluff. The sum and substance of it will be, 'We will do it in the future. We are trying.' In any language, this is just a bluff."

Purī Mahārāja: Bluff.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Haṁsadūta Swami was preaching.

Purī Mahārāja: Yes. He's a Sinhalese . . . I don't think he's a Sinhalese.

Haṁsadūta: No. He's a Tamil.

Purī Mahārāja: His name . . .

Haṁsadūta: He's a Tamil from South India.

Purī Mahārāja: Christian.

Haṁsadūta: His father was a minister.

Purī Mahārāja: Yes. Proper dose you have given. Kṛṣṇa must bless him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then he gave him big challenge: "Rupees five lakhs' challenge to Dr. Kovoor."

Purī Mahārāja: (laughs) Dr. Kovoor.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And then later on he gave ten lakhs.

Purī Mahārāja: He cannot be called as "doctor." How could he be a doctor?

Haṁsadūta: Quack. Quack doctor.

Prabhupāda: There is a story. A bridegroom was selected. So, the other party, bride's party, they inquired how the bridegroom was quite qualified. So they said: "He's a doctor." Then they inquired, "What kind of doctor? Doctor of philosophy, doctor of medicine or . . .?"

Purī Mahārāja: Doctor of which way?

Prabhupāda: So he said: "No, no, no. He's not all these nonsense. He's a big doctor." "What is that?" "Conductor." (laughter)

Purī Mahārāja: He's a big superior doctor, con-doctor. (laughs)

Prabhupāda: Some way con-doctor. (pause) Bhakti-caru?

Brahmānanda: Bhakti-caru is where? Kitchen? Call him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just calling him. He's in the kitchen, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (pause) Here he is, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: (to Bhakti-caru) Ar kato deri? (How late?)

Bhakti-caru: Ar minute dash-panerar madhye hoye yabe Śrīla Prabhupāda. (It will be done in 10 to 15 minutes Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Purī Mahārāja: Na . . . (indistinct) . . . thik ache. (No . . . (indistinct) . . . will be okay.) (laughs)

Bhakti-caru: Na ekhono hoyni, daran. (No not yet completed, wait a little.)

Purī Mahārāja: Kicchu anar darkar nei. Darkar thakle phal diye dao. (No need to bring anything now. If you want to give something then give me fruits.)

Bhakti-caru: Theke jan . . . (please stay . . .)

Prabhupāda: Na, na, na . . . (No, no, no . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Amader okhaneo pracur pressure (We also have pressure in our place . . .)

Prabhupāda: Taholeo bose ek khana adhkhana . . . apnader kasto hobe amader ektu ananda hobe. (laughs) Kato rakam duniyay doctor ache, Americay sob title kinte paoa yay. (Then one piece or half piece by seating . . . though you will get trouble but we will happy. (laughs) There are many types of doctor in this world, and in America a title can be bought.)

Purī Mahārāja: Sob paisa (All by money) . . . (indistinct) (break) Par hoye pray asi bachorer kacha kachi hobe . . . (Nearly 80 years after crossing . . .)

Prabhupāda: Amader ceye choto. (Younger than us.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hm choto. (Yes, he is younger than us.)

Prabhupāda: Hm. Unio ekta niye . . . (He also took one . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya, unio likhechen. Oi ye America te ki korchi government . . . se o likhechen. (Yes he also wrote. He has written what the government of America is doing this.) (break) tar bhitar o likhechen, tarpore Jagannather mandirer prabesher katha o likhechen. (he also wrote into that, then he wrote about the entrance of Jagannatha Temple.)

Prabhupāda: Eta ekta kintu baro asarcya . . . (This is very surprising . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Asarcya katha. (Yes, very surprising.)

Prabhupāda: Jagannather Rather caka bhenge gelo. (The wheel of the Jagannatha chariot broke.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya, pacta caka bhenge gelo . . . (indistinct) . . . Baladever. (Yes, five wheels have broken . . . (indistinct) . . . of Baladeva.)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Purī Mahārāja: Sei din, sandha paryanta ora pahandik(?) kare ni, ar tar purba din prati yatri der nikat pac taka kore adai koreche. Ei paisar janyei pahandi(?) hobe, deri kore diyeche. Kenona loke pac taka dibe ar darsan korbe Jagannath, darsan korle to taka ta tader yodi bandha hoye yay. Darsan bandha hole takata pabe na, ei janye ora sandha paryanta pahandi(?) kore ni. Khub sandhyar samayte pahandi(?) koreche, deri hoye geche sei karone Baladever Ratha caka bhenge geche, ar tin din poryanta mera mat hoy ni. Eta maha-aparadher katha. Nutan kalevara mahatsava. (That day they did not do pahandik until the evening. Before that day, they collected 5 rupees from each visitor. For this money they have delayed the pahandi. Because people will pay 5 rupees and will take darsana of Jagannatha. If after darsana, their money stops coming. If darsana gets closed, then they won't get money. That's why they didn't do pahandi until the evening. They did pahandi after a very long period in the evening, so they were late. That's why the wheel of Baladeva's chariot broke, and for three days that was not repaired. This was a great offense during the festival of Nutan kalevara.)

Devotee: Second day te caka thik hoy. (On the second day the wheel was repaired.)

Purī Mahārāja: Second day te! (On the second day?)

Devotee: Second day te. (Yes on the second day.)

Purī Mahārāja: Mane pahach te pare na? (Means they did not reach?)

Devotee: Na, prathamdin ratha colei ni. (No, the first day's chariot was not moving.)

Purī Mahārāja: Colei ni! Ratha colei ni, sandhya hoye geche? (That was not moving! Chariot was not moving, was that evening?)

Devotee: Second day te yakhan ratha chole se about 15 yards giyei ekta dokaner kache atke gelo, samne light post, light post ta tule ene, bidyut supply ke bolche loke . . . khule dilo. Tarpore yakhan tante gelo ratha takhan saat ta caka . . . (On the second day when the chariot started moving, after moving 15 yards it got stuck in front of a shop. There was a light post—so after the request of people electricians have removed that post. After that they started to pull the seven wheels . . .) (break) Tobe niyam hocche kichu natun parts add korte parbe na. (But the rule is they can add some new parts.)

Purī Mahārāja: Parbena. (They can't.)

Devotee: Natun lagiye debe tana. (It is not that they can add new.)

Purī Mahārāja: Sei purana take adjust korte . . . (That old wheel needed to be adjusted . . .)

Devotee: Takhano abar sei purana caka ke repair kore (Then again they will repair the wheel) . . . (indistinct)

Purī Mahārāja: . . . (indistinct) . . . bujhechi. (I understood.)

Devotee: Repair kore . . . (indistinct) . . . egarota nagad . . . (After repairing . . . (indistinct) . . . about 11 O'clock . . .)

Prabhupāda: Erokam kakhan hoyni. (This never happened before.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hoyni. (Never happened.)

Devotee: Kakhano purbe, kakhano hoyni first time. (This never happened before this is first time.)

Purī Mahārāja: Mane, ei saguno bhalo na, desher amangal ei sob. Ei government koreche paisar janye koreche. Jagannath er iccha, ki ar tate . . . (Means, this is not good. This is bad for the country. The government has done this for money. Jagannatha wished it so, that's why . . .)

Prabhupāda: Jagannather bhakta der dhukte dicche na. Eta . . . (They are not allowing entrance to Jagannatha's devotees. This is . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Dhukte dicchilo na, mane eta ekta bahut baro anyay. Ye satocesta korleo, ekhon ora mukti mandape to ekbar prostab korechilo, tarpore ekta party bolche ye aro kora yabe, ar ekta party bolche ye amader purba theke nei. Tai ete roye gechilo tarpore ekhonto ministry bodleche, ekhon ki hobe na jani. Ekhon cesta kora ucit. (They were not given entrance, this was a great injustice. After trying a lot, they have given suggestions to allow them to go to mukti mandapa. Then one party says it can be arranged again, and another party says we won't do it from the beginning. So it stopped there but now the ministry has changed. Now they should try.)

Prabhupāda: Hya, Calcutta te khub dhum-dhame . . . (Yes, in Calcutta with great pomp . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Hm.

Prabhupāda: Kagaj ela likheche ye "Puri rath ekhon Calcuttay hocche". Ki bolche. Mahārāja janen? (The newspaper publisher printed in the newspaper that "Puri Ratha is now in Calcutta". What is he saying? Does Mahārāja know?)

Mahārāja: Hm?

Prabhupāda: Kagajelara likheche . . . (The newspaper publisher has written . . .)

Mahārāja: Hm.

Purī Mahārāja: Likheche. (Yes, written.)

Prabhupāda: Ye Purir rath Calcuttay . . . (That the ratha of Puri is now in Calcutta . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Hocche! (Going on?)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Maybe Purī Mahārāja would like to see the pictures from the Los Angeles Ratha-yātrā. Remember those pictures I showed you in London?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I have a photo album. This is the Ratha-yātrā we celebrated in Los Angeles, California. This is Jagannātha. We call it New Dvārakā. Los Angeles we call New Dvārakā. And this is the Jagannātha mūrtis, Gaura-Nitāi, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. This is in the temple. And Rukmiṇī-Dvārakādhīśa. So this is . . . they are constructing the rathas, very big. This was a paṇḍāl we are constructing. Many of the little children, they helped to make the garlands, mālā. And the artists, they did the paintings.

Purī Mahārāja: Paintings. These are artists. Artists. Artists.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then they made so many signs, preparations. This was the vyāsāsana in the ratha, and Jagannātha Swami was carried.

Purī Mahārāja: Yes. Carried, yes, being carried.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, here you can start to see.

Jayatīrtha: Each cart is fifty feet high.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fifty foot high.

Purī Mahārāja: Ācchā? Jagannātha's ratha is only forty-five feet.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But here it's fifty feet.

Purī Mahārāja: In Purī the Jagannātha ratha is forty-five.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But this is Los Angeles. Everything is big there. You see Jagannātha. You see Him?

Purī Mahārāja: Yes. Jagannātha, yes. Dark eyes. (laughs)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very good eyes. And such a crowd. Two lakhs' people attended. So many people came.

Purī Mahārāja: Jagannātha's Ratha-yātrā. 51:03 (Odia) erom Ratha Yatra eisob lok asche. (In this Ratha Yatra these people are coming.) 51:14 (Odia)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Lord Jagannātha is all-attractive. You cannot keep Him here. He's going out the door. This is . . . one of the sannyāsīs was giving a big lecture. We had some elephants. The children were riding on them. See, "Free Love Feast." "Prasādam distributed." You can see these people are . . .

Purī Mahārāja: Love Feast.

Jayatīrtha: They served full prasādam to fifty thousand people.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fifty thousand people took full prasādam free of charge. You can see all the people. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . ratha abar tairi hocche. (the chariot is again being constructed.)

Purī Mahārāja: Jagannatha Ratha toiri to hobe prati bachor. (Jagannatha Ratha will be constructed every year.)

Prabhupāda: Sei ta bhenge gelo. (That has broken.)

Purī Mahārāja: Seita bhenge gelo, sei ta meramat kore niye geche, tarpore seta khule nebe, nutan kore abar akshay trtiya Vaisakh mas sukla trtiya theke arambha hoy ratha nirman. Dui mase te ratha sampurna samapti hoy. Prati bachar nutan kore kath ase, oi kathe rath tairi hoy. (That has broken, they have collected it, then they will take it off. Again in a new way from the akshaya tritiya of Vaisakh month. On the full moon, the construction of the chariot will start. Within two months, the chariot construction was completed. New wood comes every year—the chariot will be made of that wood.)

Prabhupāda: Ar okhane Bhubaneswareo baro-baro ratha tairi hobe. (And also in Bhubaneswar, there a big, big chariot will be created.)

Purī Mahārāja: Bhubanesware! Bhubanesware ratha janlam thiki (In Bhubaneswar! I know Bhubaneswar's chariot) . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Eisob kharac ke dey? (Who pays for all these costs?)

Purī Mahārāja: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: Huh? Government dey? (Government pays?)

Purī Mahārāja: Hm. Governmenti dey. Government yader jami ache, artha ache . . . (Yes Government pays. Government, from those who have land and wealth . . .) (pause)

Prabhupāda: Kothay bosben onara? (Where will they sit?)

Purī Mahārāja: Hm! Bose achi to. (I am sitting.)

Prabhupāda: Na, prasade . . . (No for prasadam . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Prasad peye yabo. (I will go after taking prasadam.)

Purī Mahārāja: Prasādam.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I just sent Hari-śauri to . . .

Purī Mahārāja: Yes, yes. They are preparing.

Hari-śauri: The prasādam will be ready in about five minutes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. They're just cooking the purīs now. The halavā is done, and the sabjī is almost ready. (break)

Prabhupāda: Gele dhukte dey na bole amio yai na. (I don't go there because they don't let me in.)

Purī Mahārāja: Thiki. (This is right.)

Prabhupāda: Ekta loke Sakshi Gopale se, prasad nicche abar mach o khacche. (Someone in front of Sakshi Gopal is taking prasadam and fish as well.) (laughs)

Purī Mahārāja: Hm.

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhe baro duksha hoy. (i feel sad to see them.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hobeo to. (That will happen.)

Prabhupāda: Ar Sakshi Gopaler seva . . . (And the service for Sakshi Gopal . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Anna bhog to nai, sekhane anna bhog hoyna Sakshi Gopaler, misti bhog hoy. (There is no Anna bhoga for Sakshi Gopal, they only give sweet bhoga.)

Prabhupāda: Ar Haritaki. (And Haritaki.)

Purī Mahārāja: Haritaki.

Prabhupāda: Na, hari, hari . . . (No, hari . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Hari!

Prabhupāda: Tate ki byache? (What do they sell in that?)

Devotee: Harite ki byache? (What do they sell in the hari?)

Purī Mahārāja: Hari te? Harite anna to byace na, byace anyanya jinis. Harito byace oikhane apnar . . . Puri te tarpore Bhubanesware te, sakshi Gopalete hari na. (In hari? In the hari they don't sell anna, they sell other things. They sell hari at Puri and Bhubaneswar, but at Sakhi Gopal they don't sell hari.)

Prabhupāda: Na dekhlam lamba lamba . . . (No, I saw some long, long . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Lamba, lamba hariguli oi Bhubaneswarete. (Long hari can be found in Bhubaneswar.)

Prabhupāda: Na. (No.)

Purī Mahārāja: Ekhaneo beche kare? (They sell here also?)

Prabhupāda: Sakshi Gopal.

Purī Mahārāja: Dekhe . . . ta ar janina. Kintu anna bhog o nei kichu ekhane, jantam. Tabe ekhon hoyto kothay dicche na korche, bhog bole kichu dicche, bikr korche. (I don't know this. But I knew that there is no anna bhoga. But now they may give something or sell something by saying it's bhoga.)

Prabhupāda: Apni to janen. (You know this.)

Devotee: Sakshi Gopal ami dekhini anna bhog dite, mane bikr korte. (I didn't give anna bhoga to Sakshi Gopala, means to sell it.)

Purī Mahārāja: Hya, anna bhog bikr kore dekhini. Sekhane misti oi sob bikr hoy. Ya bhog tai hoy. Sakshi Gopale yete dey to eder. Sakshi Gopale yete dey. Ekbar Puri te ami niye gechilam to Sakshi Gopale niye gechi kicchu bole ni. Tarpore amra . . . (indistinct) . . . gechilam kichu bole nai. Tarpore . . . Bhubaneswar, Bhubanesware te apatti korte pare. Okhane bale ye Jagannatha mandir . . . (Yes, we did not sell anna bhoga. They sell sweets there. Whenever they give bhoga they sell it. They allow them to enter Sakshi Gopal. They give entrance to Sakshi Gopal. Once I took them to Puri's Sakshi Gopal but they said nothing to me. Then we . . . (indistinct) . . . went and they said nothing. After that in Bhubaneswar, in Bhubaneswar they may have objections. They say like this in the Jagannatha temple . . .) (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Mandirer bhetar ekhono nongra kore rekheche . . . (They have made the temple dirty . . .)

Purī Mahārāja: Bhubanesware te? (In Bhubaneswar?)

Prabhupāda: Na, ei Sakshi Gopale. (No, here in Sakshi Gopal.)

Purī Mahārāja: Sakshi Gopal! Beshi mandire to thake na kam samay thake. Kintu beshi yodi yatri ra ase sei samay te nongra thake. (They don't stay for a long time in the temple. But when more pilgrims visit, at that time it gets dirty.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The prasādam is here, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Purī Mahārāja: (laughs) There is so much prasādam.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, not so much.

Prabhupāda: What you have given?

Purī Mahārāja: Purī, halavā and gulābjāmun. You have prepared very costly feast.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because you are our most valuable guests. (break)

Prabhupāda: Or to prayi . . . (He often . . .) (break)

Purī Mahārāja: . . . krpa korle amra ektu yeye asi. Karon ajke amra bhabchi ratre aat tay amra Mathuray cole yabo. (. . . please let us take a leave. Because we think that we will go to Mathura at 8 O'clock.)

Prabhupāda: Oh!

Purī Mahārāja: Amader yatri ra eseche to, tader niye ekhon amder kal ke bhore abar Rajmandir theke raona hote hobe . . . eh . . . Mathura theke raona hote hobe. (As pilgrims have come, so we have to leave the Rajmandira tomorrow morning with them . . . eh . . we have to leave from Mathura.)

Prabhupāda: Dekhun sabai prasad peyechen! (See if everyone has got prasadam!)

Purī Mahārāja: (to everyone) Sakale peyechen kina? (Does everyone get prasadam?) (to Prabhupāda) Sakale peyechen. (Yes, everyone got prasadam.)

Devotee: Pracur prasad peyechi. Anek. (I took lots of prasadam. A lot.)

Purī Mahārāja: Mahārāja amra aschi. (We are leaving Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Kshama korben. Aparadh kshama korben. (Please forgive me. Please forgive my offenses.)

Purī Mahārāja: Are Mahārāja oi katha bolben na abar. (Mahārāja please don't say this again.) (laughs)

(devotees are saying Hare Krsna to everyone)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . (laughs) Hare Krsna! (guests take leave) (kīrtana) (break) (end)