760118 - Conversation - Mayapur

Conversations by Date, 1976

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

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760118R1-MAYAPUR - January 18, 1976 - 13.19 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . Viśvanātha Cakravartī has discussed. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so easy: man-manā bhava mad-bhakto, four principles. Why people do not take to it? (background talking) Hmm? What is that?

Harikeśa: He just wanted to know if someone was allowed to come for darśana.

Prabhupāda: Yes, let them come. This time, five to seven? (conchshell sounds)

Indian guest: Uni ekjan amader . . . (He is one of our . . .) (break)

Prabhupāda: Śrīmad-bhāgavata-dharma is for the person who is not jealous. Paramo nirmatśarāṇāṁ (SB 1.1.2). This very word is used in the beginning that, "This bhāgavata-dharma is meant for persons who is not jealous." Otherwise the material whole world is full of jealousy. Even during the time of Kṛṣṇa there was Paundra, out of jealousy. And there were so many. Beginning from Kṛṣṇa's birth the asuras, they were jealous: "How to kill Kṛṣṇa." This is the whole mat . . . even in the higher planetary system the jealousy is there, asuras and the devas, devāsura. So our business is, as instructed by Caitanya Mahāprabhu, tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā. This jealousy will go on. Therefore one has to learn how to tolerate jealousy. Kīrtaniyaḥ sadā hariḥ (CC Adi 17.31). If one wants to push on this saṅkīrtana movement . . . Prabhupāda . . . we are insignificant creature. So many persons. You cannot avoid it. The best way is to learn how to tolerate. That is very nice. Otherwise Caitanya Mahāprabhu not have said taror api sahiṣṇunā. That is the best. So we are not like Caitanya Mahāprabhu, neither like Prabhupāda, and we shall have to learn to tolerate.

Indian guest: Kintu dekhen Prabhupader samay kato biruddhe . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (But see during the time of Prabhupāda (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur) many anti . . .)

Prabhupāda: Er yodi biradhita korte pare . . . (If they can protest him . . .)

Indian guest: Hobei . . . (This will happen . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ta amar biruddhe korbe ei ar . . . eto kichui na. (This is not a big thing if they also protest me . . .)

Indian guest: (indistinct) . . . yara prabhur seva korchen, tader biruddhe hobei. Ora negative contain . . . ba ekta apnar anti party na thakle . . . anya keu na thakle alocana seta . . . (indistinct) . . . tara bujhbe . . . (those who are serving the Lord, people will be against them. They will find out negative content . . . or if there won't, it will be an anti-party . . . if there won't be different people, then how will that be discussed . . . (indistinct) . . . they will understand . . .)

Prabhupāda Na, bujhuk na bujhuk, ami ye-sob ya kaj korte beriyechi, keu bujhbe na bujhbe, yay na kono . . . ami . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (No, they understand or not, I went out to do that work, whether they understand or not . . . I . . .)

Indian guest: Tobe amar mone hoy, onekei bujhechilen, yara bujhchen na ekhon tara svikar korchen na. Tao tara dukhche, eta amader anander bisay. (But I think many people have understood, who they have understood, they are not admitting. But still they are joining the movement. This is our happiness.)

Prabhupāda: It is clearly written in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that kṛṣṇa śakti vinā nāhe kṛṣṇa nāma pracāraṇa (CC Antya 7.11). So even they have no common sense, what can be done?

Indian guest: Eta svikar korte hobe, Krsna sakti . . . (We have to admit, that is the strength of Kṛṣṇa . . .)

Prabhupāda: No, no, this formula, that this is something new in the history of the world, and still they are jealous, what is this? They are finding fault. In Vṛndāvana, Nṛsiṁha-vallabha Gosvāmī, you know? He comes to me. He says: "So many people are jealous upon you." I say that, "First of all you create something like me, then you become jealous." Seta khamata nei. (They don't have that quality.)

Indian guest: Ami asha kori Maharaj, khub alpo diner madhye sob dekhben apnar anugami hobe. Ami serakam kichu . . . (Mahārāja, I hope they will start following you soon. I have seen something like . . .)

Prabhupāda: Sei janye ami cup-cap thaki . . . (That's why I remain silent . . .)

Indian guest: Ager theke onek sob paribartan hoyeche. Ami ebong khub bhalo bhabei ei katha bolechi ye, ekhon to Maharajer . . . (Many things have changed from before. Simply I told them that, now Mahārāja is . . .)

Prabhupāda: Na, se karuk na karuk, amar . . . eto yai hok, ami nije nijei, ascarya hoye yai . . . na ami to kono jealousy mone kori na . . . (No, they take it or not, I . . . whatever, sometimes I get astonished myself . . .)

Indian guest: Tate Prabhupād . . . apnar gurudev santusta hoben. (Then Prabhupāda . . . your Gurudeva will be happy.)

Prabhupāda: Tabe tara ye dictate kore oita amar . . . tara dictate korbe keno? (But they dictate to me, that's I . . . why do they dictate?) First of all let them become like me. Then . . . Samane, samane bandhutta hobe. Ye baro se dictate korbe, ar ye choto se manyata korbe eta hocche niom. Se samanatao nei, ar unnatao nei tahole dictate kore keno? Ami ki korechi ta diye oder kaj ki? (Equal people will make friends. Seniors will dictate and the junior will obey, this is the rule. But they are not equal to me and they are not superior to me then why do they dictate me?)

Indian guest: Seta ami bujhte perechi. (I understand that.)

Prabhupāda: Tahole dictate korte yay keno? Eita tader murkhata. Dictate korbe ke? Ye baro. (So why do they come to dictate? This is their foolishness. Who will dictate? Who is superior?) The superior, he will dictate. And yes, equal, they will live like friends. And those who are junior, they should follow and obey. This is the Vaiṣṇava niyama. So those who are neither equal nor higher, how they can dictate? That is their mistake. Either first of all become higher than him—then you dictate—or you be equal with him—then you suggest. You are lower and you want to dictate? What is this nonsense? Bujhte perechen? Eta hocche niyam. Niyamtai jane na. (Do you understand? This is the rule. They even don't know the rules.) By standard, one who is lower, they want to dictate.

Indian guest: Ekhane emon abasta, apni to bollen ye, Prabhupad ke ami to apnar ei darshan . . . (indistinct) . . . tarpar amra amader baktabya rakhchi apnar sammandhye, yara buddhi jibi . . . (Here the situation is, you say this, "I have seen Prabhupāda . . . (indistinct) . . . after that we have to present a speech on you," those who are intelligent . . .) (loud conchshell) Bās. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Indian guest: Radharaman M.L.A . . . Radharaman, amader ei Nabadwip . . . (indistinct) . . . royeche, ami congress office bollam, apni asben Jayapataka Maharajke niye gelam okhane . . . (indistinct) . . . apnader bollam ye apni milita hoben ISKCON hacche Prabhupāder . . . (indistinct) . . . ese bollo ye hya ami yabo, kintu kichu lok apatti korlo ye photo rakhte parbe na . . . kintu er madhye . . . apnara . . . Maharaj tomakei pasanda kore na Jayapataka Maharaj, oi apnar Radharaman, ora apatti korlo ye photo kora yabe na. Kintu amar iccha ye dujane ek jaygay ekta photor madhye thaklam. Yai hok se kadin yebe ananda . . . Radharaman ke bollam ye, bhai tumi amake ektu kol dao, yara namer janya sarvasya bhog, bilas tyag kore yader bhoger madhyei janma ebong ei katha yini biswas koraichen yini pascatya jagate e baro sangatik byapar, eta ekta . . . (indistinct) . . . ekhane kichu janbar ba amader bojhbar ache. Ami sir ke niye gelam aslen na. (Radharaman M.L.A . . . Radharaman, in our Nabadwip . . . (indistinct) . . . have, I will go with Jayapataka Mahārāja to the congress office and told them that you will come . . . (indistinct) . . . I told them to join ISKCON, this is Prabhupāda's . . . (indistinct) . . . he told me that, "Yes I will go," but some people refused us to take a photo . . . but meanwhile . . . you . . . that Radharaman doesn't like Jayapataka Mahārāja, that's why they have an objection that a photo can't be taken. But my wish is if we both are together in a single photo. Then I can feel happy someday . . . I told Radharaman to give a place for those who have left everything for this holy name, their sense gratification and all, actually they were born in sense gratification and the person makes them believe in that. That is a very big thing . . . (indistinct) . . . we have many things to know from him. I thought to bring him here but he didn't come.) (break)

Prabhupāda: They may be very big visioner. . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . tarpar yakhan baire ase, ya icche kor, ya icche kor, ya icche kor. Gala ta jariye dhore. Thik sei rakam. Eikhane te bose bhoger borai korle ki hobe? Ar ye Caitanya Mahaprabhu katha ta pracar karo jagate. (after that when they come outside, they do whatever they can. By hugging them. Just like that. Is this okay to feel proud from here? Frost, you have to preach the massage of Caitanya Mahāprabhu,) Pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma (CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126). Eisob asche sob prthivi theke. (They are coming from all over the world.) A pakkā Vaiṣṇava like you, to find out faults, what is this? Rādhārāṇī is . . . kache loke approach kore eita tar gun hocche ye, Rādhārāṇīr kache keu yodi approach . . . Rādhārāṇīr ekta . . . ki bolen? Rādhārāṇī kache approach kore keno loke? Jaya Radhe! Rādhārāṇī ekbar ektu recommendation kore dey, kaj hoye yay. To tini sobi to demand korlen. Khub bhalo bhakta athaca dosh darshi. Radharani mone koren . . . tini janei na keu dosh korte pare. (People approach Rādhārāṇī because she has a special quality, that if someone approaches Rādhārāṇī . . . Rādhārāṇī is . . . what do you say about this? Why do people approach Rādhārāṇī? They say "Jaya Radhe!", because if Rādhārāṇī gives a recommendation once, then the work will be done very easily. So he has demanded everything. He is a good devotee as well as fault seeker. Rādhārāṇī doesn't think that people have any mistakes.) They have not united, they have disunited. And here, practically you see all religions, all nations, all persons, all philosophy. Everything is there. Era ye sob America theke eseche, eder ke ki kichu ghush diye ana hoyeche? (They all came here from America, were they brought in with a bribe?) They have come with their life . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . nicche (taking.)

Indian guest: Or yodi bola hoy . . . (indistinct) . . . ei ghush diye deoa hobe . . . (If we told them . . . (indistinct) . . . will give a bribe . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ederke bole CIA! (They are called CIA.)

Indian guest: Ei holo eder gun. (These are the qualities of them.)

Prabhupāda: CIA! Bhakta hoye ar ca paryanta bidi paryanta chere diye, eikhane nece tara . . . (indistinct) . . . lagiye dicche. (They have left tea, bīḍī and everything after becoming a bhakta and they are dancing . . . (indistinct) . . . they are giving.) You know less common sense they have. They haven't got even common sense.

Indian guest: Ami apnar sambaraner byabasta kori Krsnanagare, er age kichu lok mane . . . ora to ekta biradhita korbe . . . (I arranged something to welcome you in Krishnanagar, before that, some people means . . . those who will protest . . .) (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . on behalf of Kṛṣṇa, so all the money should be given to us. The money actually belongs to Kṛṣṇa. You, by tricks, you are holding it. (knock) Yes? Asun, asun. Bhalo acho? (Please come in. How are you?)

Indian men: Bhalo achi. (I am fine.)

Prabhupāda: Open this. Open.

Indian men: Apnar anumati anusare ami government . . . (According to your permission the government . . .) (break) (end)