770710 - Conversation - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

770710R1-VRNDAVAN - July 10, 1977 - 43:30 Minutes

Prabhupāda: So Kṛṣṇa has sent you to look after this Institution. And they are giving very good report that, "Bhaktivedanta is . . . is very big organization," and we have got land. Kindly try to improve it. So your wife is here?

Mr. Myer: Yes. She is also with me.

Prabhupāda: So how do you . . .? Things there are?

Mr. Myer: Things are . . . I think it will be matter of one month's time before we'll be able to centralize everything. Just now, at this moment, of course, we are operating slightly in different areas. But next month by this date we should be able to . . .

Prabhupāda: Never mind.

Mr. Myer: . . . know exactly what is happening, once we commonize the kitchen, the office, accounting chain and everything. At present we are slightly under capital, small space, but . . . Gurukula is coming out very well. In fact we met the contractor yesterday. So we're hoping that by next month this time the whole thing should be shifted and so many more guestrooms will be released for people coming here for the festival. Possibilities are very good.

Prabhupāda: Everything is there by Kṛṣṇa's grace. Simply if it is nicely organized, things will . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa is very much appreciating.

Mr. Myer: Nothing is done by us.

Prabhupāda: So gradually . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There was a letter from Śrīdhara Swami from Hyderabad temple. Would you like to hear it?

Prabhupāda: You have read it?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. More or less, just a report about things going on there. (to Mr. Myer) Did you say your brother has a press?

Mr. Myer: Actually my brother is doing a lot of printing work in Bangalore. What he does is similar to what Bibili does. He has got his own equipment, this IBM typewriters. He makes all the stencils, and then the photo film, and then it is printed on special paper. So he's got two presses, one in Bombay and one in Madras . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: What is his name in Bombay?

Mr. Myer: Bombay, there's one gentleman, he is . . . the name of the press where he's . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your brother owns the press?

Mr. Myer: No. He's getting a contract. He doesn't invest very much money in that. He wrote a very nice directory of India. It's the most beautiful directory. It took him about seven years to make. All the manufacturers in India, all the different economy of India, the various festivals.

Prabhupāda: Oh, directory.

Mr. Myer: Whole things is done in one. I'll bring a copy when I come next time. It was done on very special paper made by Triveni Tissues in Calcutta. And whole thing is just so thin, and it covers everything, whatever, all Indian bases, all foreign embassies, Indian banks, newspapers. He's an economist basically. So this is really a hobby. He's working for a company, and part of that is doing that. Bombay this gentleman is working with him there. He's got a very big press. But he has a problem in managing it. So my brother is trying to give him some business. They have got very good facilities, offset. People don't believe such good printing can be done in India, five color, six color. Very good job.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your brother is a printer by trade? No.

Mr. Myer: He is publisher.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's a publisher by trade.

Mr. Myer: He is actually doing agency business and publishing as his hobby. He's trying to bring out a few books.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where does he live?

Mr. Myer: He lives in Bangalore.

Prabhupāda: So why not bring some samples?

Mr. Myer: I'll bring. I'll bring it myself. And also I think if you want to print Back to Godhead issue, he can easily do it. He's got a very good mind for it.

Prabhupāda: No, if your brother has got good press, we can print so many books.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You say he has a mind for editorial.

Mr. Myer: Very good. I'll show you some of the work he's done.

Prabhupāda: In press we are very much interested. Our twenty-five, yes, fifty percent activities on press.

Mr. Myer: He can definitely help you. He knows Hindi, Sanskrit also.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Your brother.

Mr. Myer: Hindi is good. Hindi, English. In fact, he's now very obvious data. He's very well connected. He's known to local governor and people each end in Calcutta. In fact . . . (indistinct) . . . recommended with a view to starting a center there. But trouble is, you see, that so many faiths people start believing in. He has been believing in Sai Baba sometime. So I was not wanting . . . but he'll change. It's just a matter of time . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: The Sai Baba has been challenged in so many ways.

Mr. Myer: I went one day. I was sitting. I watched him, and he said: "Come with me," and . . . it was a while back. So like that, he's . . . but then when I told him about ISKCON he's definitely interested to know all about that. Because my eldest brother, he became a member first in Māyāpur about four or five years ago.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said Sai Baba has been exposed in so many ways now.

Mr. Myer: Yes. Biggest problem with him is, see, that he has some sort of a charm over people. Mainly people who go to him, they want some miracles. People who want some . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Mr. Myer: They want some quick profits. That's why they go to him. But if anybody is interested in spiritual advancement, he cannot help. Somebody wants to get a son, somebody's son is sick, he wants to get cured, such things . . .

Prabhupāda: Material.

Mr. Myer: All material things only. He is not able to guide people. He does some different things, but basically he's not able to take people for any spiritual advancement.

Prabhupāda: Neither he has any philosophy.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. None at all.

Mr. Myer: Actually South is full of it. They have got the Theosophical Society, there's the Aurobindo Society, there is the J. Krishnamurti Trust . . . (indistinct) . . . many, many things are there. But each one of it is just a very shallow . . . no one really gets around to . . . J. Krishnamurti has never written a book himself. Always another person writes about him, his thoughts, his speeches. So only thing is that they started many, many years ago, fifty years ago. So they have bought some piece of land and started some schools, and like that they have created certain systems. But basically it's very difficult. One cannot make any advancement with such people. But all, everywhere in India today tendency is people just go and ask for some personal gain. In Tirupati people go there, they say: "If I get a son, I will come and pay some money." And some people say: "If my husband gets all right, I will come and do something." Some women go there, they just take off all their diamond necklaces and pour it. In one day they will sometimes collect a crore of rupees. It's unbelievable. So that is the type attitude Indian people developed. And then the legend also says that Lord Viṣṇu married, and for a marriage He has taken a big loan. So whosoever is helping Him to repay it, he gets a boon from the . . .

Prabhupāda: Lord Viṣṇu. Who is that?

Mr. Myer: Lord Veṅkateśvara. That is one insult. They say that for a marriage He has taken so much money, and He's to pay back . . .

Prabhupāda: A person, man?

Mr. Myer: I beg your pardon?

Prabhupāda: A man has said?

Mr. Myer: It is a form of Viṣṇu. They call it Veṅkateśa-jī.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's talking about Bālajī Veṅkateśvara. He says that there's a legend that Viṣṇu took a loan for . . . what?

Mr. Myer: For getting married. So that loan He has to repay now. So anyone who is helping Him to repay is given some . . . therefore they say it is very natural for people to go and . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Viṣṇu doesn't have to take any loan. Anybody who believes that means they don't know the philosophy. How can God be wanting?

Prabhupāda: Lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambrahma-sevyamānam (BS 5.29). He's worshiped by many thousands of goddess of fortune. Why He is taking your help?

Mr. Myer: So this is how the people are made to believe the entire thing. And now they've started collecting money through banks. People are sending deposits through banks to get pūjās done. And prasādam is being sold in all the places. This is just basically. But if anyone wants to go there and . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So our temple should be ideal here.

Mr. Myer: Oh, yes. This actually will be the largest, Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma. We think that now we have made all possible efforts for people to know about it. In fact, if we could have a base in Mathurā—that's where all the people come from—and one on the highway, then I think we can attract people both side.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everybody knows about this. Anybody who goes to Mathurā comes to this place. Oh, that's sure. People go to Mathurā to come to Vṛndāvana anyway. Anybody that comes to Vṛndāvana has heard about Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma. It's a fact.

Mr. Myer: So next two months are very, very busy starting from August. The books definitely, for printing and publishing, I'll get some samples. He has done good work. And in case you want to do some editorial work, he can definitely do.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But then he has to be . . . to do editorial work requires that he understand the philosophy.

Mr. Myer: Quite right.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And if he's following Sai Baba now, how will he . . .?

Mr. Myer: Actually he's not following. I think it's just that at that point of time, nothing else is there. Like most people . . .

Prabhupāda: The professors challenge him . . . what . . .?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. There was a challenge?

Mr. Myer: Yes, one of his disciples was recently caught. He had lot of vibhūti inside, hidden inside his body. So when he lay down they say that lot of vibhūti was coming out. So when they opened the shirt it was just filled with whole thing inside. That is one of his very close disciples there. But he is still managing to get away. His argument is that there are two types of people who come to him. One who is spiritually advanced, for them he does not show any miracles. But there are some poor people who do not believe in God unless you show the miracle, so therefore he gives all these mūrtis and . . . I told, once . . . (indistinct) . . . with him last year. So I was sitting there and suddenly, you see, he just did something and . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let's see him save himself from death. Let's see him make the miracle that he can save himself from dying. That he cannot do.

Mr. Myer: Whole thing is, in the last four, five years. Once they tried to buy my chairman's car, they want to buy. It is said he must have big car. It is big Chevrolet car he has got.

Prabhupāda: I have heard that he's a big drunkard.

Mr. Myer: No, he wanted buy a car from my chairman.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: That man is a big drunkard.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who?

Prabhupāda: This Sai Baba.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sai Baba is a drunkard.

Mr. Myer: He is chewing pān twenty-four hours a day. His teeth are all red. Most of the time, when he goes there, he is . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said he doesn't just chew pān, he drinks. He's a heavy drinker.

Mr. Myer: But these are all nothing. It is all temporary. When the sun shines, then all these little glows, they just automatically go off.

Prabhupāda: You are leaving when?

Mr. Myer: Today evening. Tomorrow morning I'll return to Madras, leave the day after, morning, then come back next week.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When will you be coming back?

Mr. Myer: Next week. Wednesday or Thursday.

Prabhupāda: Jaya. (break) Any intelligent person can understand this is all Communist propaganda. And the Central Government is seeking an opportunity to drive them away.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: To drive away the Communists.

Prabhupāda: If they can find out the snake behind the earthworm, then they'll be finished. (laughter) That there is. There is no case. Simply it is maneuver. Communist government wants to drive away the Americans. This is the plan. And the government is anxious to keep good relationship with America. And the Communist wants to drive them away.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Now the American Consulate is also involved. That makes it very jeopardizing for the Communists. If they act the wrong way, then the Central Government will lose its position with the American Embassy. It will look very bad for the Central Government. They're not going to let the state act in any way that will jeopardize their position. The two acting together, Central Government and the American Consulate . . .

Prabhupāda: It is very clear that it is a plan of the Communists.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Would you say that even, I mean, initially it was a plan in the sense of the cow going on the land and . . .

Prabhupāda: No, no. This is all plan to make a case.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, but I mean just like the cow . . .

Prabhupāda: It is insignificant. What is that? There was a cow, and . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So I mean . . . I'm just trying to understand. Just like the Muslim, he got the cow.

Prabhupāda: This is plan.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was planned.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. I see. Even from that point it was planned.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bhakti-caru: And the purpose . . . (indistinct) . . . outsider coming into our . . . (indistinct)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How could they take our grass?

Bhakti-caru: At night, you know, they take the grass inside . . . (indistinct) . . . maybe at night there were some kind of people around them. Just like at . . . (indistinct) . . . and then when they caught this man . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They shaved half his head, they said.

Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, this is all . . .

Bhakti-caru: . . . (indistinct)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They shaved the Muslim's head. (laughter) Like with Rukmī. Same punishment was meted out by Lord Kṛṣṇa to Rukma. We have to follow our predecessors. Kṛṣṇa is the original predecessor. So far, I have not written anything to them because I think they should first send their report. You've been speaking . . . actually, what you've been saying is very encouraging. Just like yesterday you said that they have done right, but I'm not communicating any of this to Māyāpur.

Prabhupāda: No, no, no. This is not to . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They should first of all send a report before we tell them anything, because we should get the actual facts from them.

Indian man (1): Ap ka formula Srila Prabhupāda. (Your formula Srila Prabhupāda.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm

Indian man (1): Favor me nikli . . . Iskcon ke favor me nikli. (It came in favor . . . it came in favor of Iskcon.)

Prabhupāda: Accha. (Okay.)

Indian man (1): Unhone thik kiya apne ap ko protect karne ke liye. (They did right to protect themselves.)

Prabhupāda: Han? (Yes?)

Indian man (1): Apne ap ko protect karne ke liye thik hi kiya. (They did it right for protecting themselves.)

Prabhupāda: Accha. (Okay.)

Indian man (1): Han . . . wo contractor bata rahe the. (Yes . . . that contractor was saying.)

Prabhupāda: Kaun? (Who?)

Indian man (1): Wo maine nahi pucha. (That I did not ask.) . . . (indistinct)

Bhakti-caru: Kaunsa Kaunsa? (Which one? Which one?)

Indian man (1): Wo jo sub contractor bata rahe the (The subcontractor you were talking about.) . . . (indistinct)

Bhakti-caru: Contractor jo ap bata rahe the Iskcon ke favor me nikla. (The contractor whom you were talking about, he was in favor of Iskcon.) It was in favor of Iskcon.

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Indian man (1): Ji haan. (Yes.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Indian man (1): For the protection of your wealth and land.

Prabhupāda: We did not go to shoot them at their house.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They attacked us.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Three hundred of them. And nobody got seriously ill. Nobody got seriously injured.

Indian man (1): No. This also came in the paper. Everybody says they know. Nobody sees. It is also coming. He was also telling us.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems like another opportunity of Lord Kṛṣṇa's to make us prominent.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, if we did not get these prominent opportunities, it would take many years to become so prominent, but Kṛṣṇa pushes us.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Kṛṣṇa became prominent by killing Pūtanā. (laughter) Immediately . . . a baby . . . (indistinct) . . . Wo Kaunse van me nikla he? (In which paper did it come?)

Indian man (1): . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Communist ka engagement tha. (The communists were involved.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I'm still in the midst of doing some work. Is it all right if I continue?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Bhakti-caru: Prabhupād kichu khaben ekhon apni? (Prabhupāda, will you eat something now?)

Prabhupāda: Thak ajke. (Leave it for today.)

Bhakti-caru: Khaben na! To aam dudh di noy to ektu . . . (You won't eat? So should I give you milk and mango a little? . . .)

Prabhupāda: Na, bises khide nai. Ekta iye kheyechi, fruit juice. (No, I am not very hungry. I have drunk one fruit juice.)

Bhakti-caru: Fruit juice ar ki hobe? (Is the fruit juice enough?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Bhakti-caru: Fruit juice ar ki oto jaler mato. (Fruit juice is just like water.)

Prabhupāda: Tahole dao ektu . . . (Then give me a little . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Besi khaben na! (You won't eat too much?)

Prabhupāda: Dudh kheyechito. (I drank milk.)

Bhakti-caru: Dupur bela. (At noon.)

Prabhupāda: Hm, dupur. (Yes at noon.)

Bhakti-caru: Kal theke tahole ager matoni khabar kora hok. (So from tomorrow let the food be prepared like before.)

Prabhupāda: O kalke koro. (You do it tomorrow.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha! Prabhupāda. Ar ei osudh gulo debona tahole ajke. Accha! To ami bhabchilam uni to saat diner osudh deoar katha chilo, to seto damo amra diye diyechi, seta ki . . . osudh tar ye dam . . . osudh to uni den ni callis takar, seta ferat caibo. (Okay Prabhupāda. So I won't give you medicine today. Actually I was thinking that he was supposed to give medicine for seven days, and we have paid for the medicine but he did not give us the medicine for forty rupees, so should I ask that money back.)

Prabhupāda: Bolle hoy kalke. (You can tell him tomorrow.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya bola jay. Apni oke bolben? (Yes he can be told. So will you tell him?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Bhakti-caru: Amake bolben . . . ekhon kichu amra iye korbo na. Kalke jakhan yabo . . . (You will tell me . . . we won't do anything now. When we go tomorrow . . .)

Prabhupāda: Yabar dorkar nei. (No need to go.)

Bhakti-caru: Emnio ami kagaj niye eschilam, ami bolechi kalke pathiye debo. (Actually I have brought a paper, I promised him I will send it back tomorrow.)

Prabhupāda: Ki kagaj? (Which paper?)

Bhakti-caru: Khabarer kagaj, yeta ami niye eschilam. To seta dite ami yabo na anya keu bajare yakhan keu yabe takhan diye debe? (The newspaper which I have brought. So should I go to return that or any person who will go to the market he will return at that time?)

Prabhupāda: Tamaler sange paramarsa karo. (Discuss this with Tamal.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha! (Okay!) Srila Prabhupāda. (paying obeisances) Jaya! Srila Prabhupāda!

Prabhupāda: Abhi sab shant hai udhar? (Are everybody silent there now?)

Indian Devotee: Han me check karta hun. (Yes I will check.)

Prabhupāda: Agar serious hota to chalta na. (If it would have been serious, we would have known.)

Indian Devotee: Serious nahi he . . . abhi jaise bata rahe the Prabhupāda ki pandrah me se kisiko aise jyada chot nahi he jo serious ho. (It is not serious . . . like how we were saying Prabhupāda that out of 15 nobody got any hurt which was serious.) . . . (indistinct)

Indian Devotee: Jab Shri Ram ne vanvas liya to chale gaye Ram ji . . . wahan pe bahut charchayein hui. Un charchaon me ek charcha ye thi ki jo dust log the wo kehte the Bharat ki sammati thi isme . . . jo dust log the wo kehte the . . . jo sadhu purush the wo kaan band kar dete the aree Ram Ram Ram kaisi baat kar rahe ho . . . (laughing) dust log bahut prasann the. (When Sri Rama took exile, he went to forest . . . there were many discussions which happened. Among those discussions, one discussion that happened was that the demoniac class were saying Bharath had consent in that exile . . . the demoniac class were saying this . . . and the saintly people used to close their ears and say Are Rama Rama Rama what are you people saying . . . (laughing) The demoniac class people were very happy.)

Prabhupāda: Hamare jaise sadharan vyakti agar samajh sakta he je isme communist plan he to Government nahi samajh sakta? (If common people like us could understand that it was the plan of communist, the Government can't understand that?)

Indian Devotee: Na Government me bhi sadhu to nahi but shuddh hridaye wale ache hain. (No, in Government also they are not saintly men but people with pure hearts are good.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm

Indian Devotee: Ye to har admi common sense se soch sakta hai kisi ke makaan me aa kar koi hamla kare to kya kare . . . surrender jab karega jab koi kisi tarah se nahi he. (Any man with common sense can get this, if someone attacks their house then what should he do, he will surrender only when nothing else is left.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi . . . America me aise kanun he jo tum hamara darwaza me without permission aaoge hum tumko goli mar sakte hain . . . itna kathin he. (No . . . in America there are laws that if you enter our house without permission, we can shoot you . . . it's so strict.)

Indian Devotee: Bharath me to nahi he. Bharath me goli se nahi mar sakte apman kar sakte hain. (In India it's not like that. In India you can't shoot but you can insult them.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi usko jaan se mar dal sakte hain. (No you can kill them. You have no right to enter my house.)

Indian Devotee: So Prabhupāda unhe jana kisike ghar me to permission kahan se lenge? (So Prabhupāda, if they have to go to somebody's house, where will they take permission from?)

Prabhupāda: Nahi . . . wo to permission . . . mane itna strict he. (No . . . the permission . . . it means it is so strict.)

Indian Devotee: Matlab ye aisa karte nahi hain lekin wo aise kar rahe hain to koi dosh nahi he . . . (Means they usually don't do it but in case they do there is no mistake in that . . .)

Prabhupāda: Dosh nahi he . . . isme dosh nahi he. Aise hua tha kisike bagiche me hum log devotee phool lene gaye the , goli chala diye . . . Christmas. (There is no mistake . . . there is no mistake in that. This happened in one garden, we devotees went to get flowers, and they fired bullet . . . Christmas.)

Indian Devotee: To devotee ko lag gayi? (Did the devotee get hurt?)

Prabhupāda: Nahi laga nahi wo baki . . . (indistinct) . . . kanun aisi he unka . . . sign board rehta he beware of dogs, do not trespass . . . kathin desh he to Kathin law nahi karne se kaise chalega . . . kutte sab aisa trained he darwaza ke pas me koi ayega to chillayenge. (No it did not hit but . . . (indistinct) . . . they have these sign boards "Beware of Dogs", do not trespass . . . it's a difficult country so how will it work without strict laws . . . the dogs have been trained there, as soon as someone comes near the door they will start barking.)

Indian Devotee: Kutte to yahan bhi aise trained hain. (Here as well the dogs are trained like that.)

Prabhupāda: Company hota hai kutta training, rat me sab bank me dukan me kutta chod ke fir sawere usko le aate hain . . . kutta hamara he, ap paisa dijiye to apke dukan ka raksha karega, bank ka raksha karega . . . to rat me le jata he saware tak . . . bahut dekha hai Europe me . . . chor bhi bhishan, God bhi bhisan, public bhi bhisan. (There are companies for dog training. At night everybody leaves the dog at shops, banks and they get them back in the morning . . . the dog is ours, you give money so he will protect the shop, protect the bank . . . so they take in night and keep till morning . . . have seen many like this in Europe . . . thieves are ghastly, God is ghastly even the public are ghastly.)

Indian Devotee: Prabhupāda (laughing) aise desh videsh ghume hai apne. Bharath me to bahut badhiya hai, Bharath me to iske raqt me Sadhu . . . (Prabhupāda (laughing) you have been to such cities and countries. It's very good in India, In India, in its blood there is saintly . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ye to Bhoga he . . . ye imitation kar rahe hain, ye khel ki baat hain bas. (It is just enjoyment . . . they are just doing imitation, it's just a play.)

Indian Devotee: Baki Bharath ke raqt me Sadhu ke prati sraddha he . . . raqt me . . . sadhu ke prati bacha bhi karega. (But in India's blood they have admiration towards the saintly person . . . it's in the blood . . . even the children would admire it.)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . wahan ke hi admi sab keh rahe the mujhe, apko . . . pehle pehle, jaise jaise hum baat karte the to goli se mar denge (laughing). Har tarah se bahut vipatti se bhagwan bachaya . . . aur . . . jab se gaya tha sattar baras umar me, tabiet usi waqt se hi kharab he . . . heart attack hua . . . fir uske bad kuch na kuch laga hi rehta he. (their people only used to tell me, in the beginning as you speak they will shoot you (laughing). From every direction, the Lord saved us from many calamities . . . and . . . from the time I went at 70 years of age, health was not good from that time itself . . . I had a heart attack . . . and after that some or the other thing was there.)

Indian Devotee: Aswasth halat me apne travel kiya. (You traveled in an unwell condition.)

Prabhupāda: Aswasth halat me hi . . . aise aise halat me gaya , motor me ja raha hun . . . aur laga abhi praan nikal jaye. (In a condition of unwell only . . . I went in such conditions . . . I am going in the motor . . . and felt like the life air is going away.)

Indian Devotee: Okay, bhay ke wajah se ya. (Okay, was it out of fear or.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi Nahi, tabiet kharap. (No No, bad health.)

Indian Devotee: Tabiet kharap. Accident hui. (Bad health. Accident happened?)

Prabhupāda: Accident nahi, tabiet itna kharap. Jab pehle time me 1967 me India laut raha tha . . . ye log to bada jatna karte hain, par raste me aisa halat ho gaya, bola nahi kisiko, ab to nikalna he. Airport me baith baith ke . . . (indistinct) . . . jabardasti India aya prepare hoke, ab to marna he, chalo Vrindavan. (Not Accident, my health was so bad. When first during 1967 I was returning to India, they were taking a lot of care of me, but on the way the condition became so bad. I did not tell anyone, anyways we will get down now. While sitting at the airport . . . (indistinct) . . . forcefully I came to India being prepared that now it's time to die so let's go to Vṛndāvana.)

Indian Devotee: Fir chale gaye. (Again you went.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Indian Devotee: Fir chale gaye. (Again you went.) (laughing)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . jab bachne ka koi rasta nahi he, chalo Vrindavan. Mera tabiet kharap chal raha he 65 se 77. (When there is no way to survive, let's go to Vṛndāvana. My health state is running bad from '65 to '77.)

Indian Devotee: Barah saal se. (For 12 years.)

Prabhupāda: Susth kabhi nahi tha . . . (I was never healthy . . .)

Indian Devotee: (indistinct) . . . chaar panch saal se . . . (from 4 to 5 years . . .)

Prabhupāda: Satar baras umar me koi kaam shuru karta he. (Does anybody start work at the age of 70.)

Indian Devotee: Asambhav . . . hum log sab baith ke bat karte hain, asambhav ko sambhav kiya hai . . . hum log to soch bhi nahi sakte. (Impossible . . . we were all sitting and talking, you have made the impossible possible . . . we can't even imagine.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . company se jab ticket mang liya . . .(indistinct) . . . ye buddha marne ko ja raha he (laughing) itne umar me prachar karne ko ja raha he, marne ko ja raha he . . . aur akele nadi paar, na koi mitra, na to koi thikana kuch nahi. (When I asked for a ticket from the company . . . (indistinct) . . . this old man is going to die (laughter) at this age he is going to preach, he is going to die . . . and going alone across the river, without any friends or house or anything.)

Indian Devotee: To Srila Prabhupāda ab jaise ap prarambh me atma samiksha karte the . . . to ata tha ya . . . bhakta log to the nahi prarambh me ek sal tak. (So Srila Prabhupāda, in the beginning when you used to do self review, you used to get it or . . . devotees were not there in the beginning until 1 year.)

Prabhupāda: Gītā se. (From the Gītā.)

Indian Devotee: Ye apka prarambh sahi raha. (You got off to a good start.) (laughing)

Indian Devotee: Granth le gaye honge ap sath me. (You must have taken the sacred books with you.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm . . . Teen part idhar chapwaya tha, Bhāgavat, wohi kuch kitaab . . . le gaya tha . . . usi se sab chalta tha. He udhar oriental culture . . . kitab bechna sab he, do teen dukan he. Ek dukan bada . . . (indistinct) . . . wo kuch kitaab bech diya tha, aur ek . . . (indistinct) . . . , aur koi friend ho gaya usko bhi de diya kitaab . . . wo bhi le leta tha. Kahin church me gaya to wahan de diya. (Printed 3 parts here, Bhāgavat, and those few books . . . I took it . . . everything used to run with that. We have oriental culture there, selling books and all is there, there are 2 to 3 shops. There is 1 big store . . . (indistinct) . . . he sold a few books, there are 1 more . . . (indistinct) . . . and someone who became friends so I used to give them books, they also used to take it. When we went to church, we used to give it there.)

Indian Devotee: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Pehle se hi , jahaz se hi shuru kiya. (Before, started from the ship.)

Indian Devotee: Airport se. (From the airport.)

Prabhupāda: Nahi. (No.) (end)