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Woman Devotee: I'm trying to collect for making vases.
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Prabhupāda: Hm? What is that?


Devotee: She's making vases, flower arrangements.
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Akṣayānanda Swami: ...only had one sweeper so I wasn't able to engage him, but I got some soda to do it with. Hopefully today this morning he will start.
 
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Prabhupāda: Huh?
 
Woman devotee (1): I'm trying to collect for making vases.
 
Prabhupāda: Hmm? What is that?
 
Harikeśa: She's making vases, flower arrangements for the altar. (break)
 
Akṣayānanda: . . . only had one sweeper, so I wasn't able to engage him. But I got some soda to do it with. Hopefully today, this morning, he will start.


Prabhupāda: Bicycle was available, forty-five rupees.
Prabhupāda: Bicycle was available, forty-five rupees.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Accha. Now they're 250 almost three hundred rupees.
Akṣayānanda: ''Ācchā''. Now they're 250, almost 300 rupees.


Prabhupāda: And very first class bicycle like Triumph BA. BA? What is that, BS?
Prabhupāda: And very first class bicycle like Triumph BA. BA? What is that, BS?


Akṣayānanda Swami: BSA.
Akṣayānanda: BSA.


Prabhupāda: Ha, BSA. Eighty rupees, eighty-five.
Prabhupāda: Ha, BSA. Eighty rupees, eighty-five rupees, that's all.


Harikeśa: Viśvambhara's cost 500.
Harikeśa: Viśvambhara's cost 500.
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Prabhupāda: Now that must be. Everything has risen.
Prabhupāda: Now that must be. Everything has risen.


Smarahari: ....material is not so good also, the material.
Indian devotee: Also, material is not so good also, the material.


Prabhupāda: Ha?
Prabhupāda: Hah?


Smarahari: The steel is not so good.
Indian devotee: The steel is not so good.


Prabhupāda: Now?
Prabhupāda: Now?


Devotee: (indistinct) Now, (degraded?)...
Devotee: Now, degraded(?) some.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Price has risen and quality has lessened. (pause) Prabhupāda, you know the ISKCON centres you have started they are just like actually Vaikuṇṭha, they are so nice. Even the Gauḍīya Matha centres were not so nice. Just like an installation of Vaikuṇṭha. They're so clean and nice. (indistinct) ...help becoming devotees by visiting your centers. Becomes almost automatic.
Akṣayānanda: Price has risen and quality has lessened. I think, Prabhupāda, you know the ISKCON centers you have started, they are just like actually Vaikuṇṭha, they are so nice. Even the Gauḍīya Maṭha  centers were not so nice. Just like an installation of Vaikuṇṭha. They're so clean and nice. (break) . . .help becoming devotees by visiting your centers. Becomes almost automatic.


Prabhupāda: Follow the regulative principles, it will remain, always Vaikuṇṭha. Otherwise again material world.
Prabhupāda: If you follow the regulative principles, it will remain always Vaikuṇṭha. Otherwise, again material world.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.


Prabhupāda: Free hotel. (laughs) That's all. And free hotel will not endure.
Prabhupāda: A free hotel. (laughs) That's all. And free hotel will not endure.


Akṣayānanda Swami: No.
Akṣayānanda: No.


Prabhupāda: Svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. By service spirit beginning with tongue Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is revealed, Vaikuṇṭha atmosphere... Sethji has not come out.
Prabhupāda: Spirit of service must be maintained. . . . ''mukhe hi jivadau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ''  ([[CC Madhya 17.136|CC Madhya 17.136]]). By service spirit, beginning with tongue: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is revealed, Vaikuṇṭha atmosphere. Sethjī has not come out. (break) Yes.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Of course we accept, ah, when you tell us to chant sixteen rounds, we accept that figure as being, in perfect faith, that you're the ācārya, but ah, what if others we wanted to convince, is there any, any ah, śāstr... Is there any Vedic verse we can refer to to corroborate that at least they must chant sixteen rounds. Or that many number of names?
Akṣayānanda: Of course we accept. . . Ah, when you tell us to chant sixteen rounds, we accept that figure as being, in perfect faith, that you're the ''ācārya''. But, ah, what if others we want to convince, is there any, any, ah, ''śāstr''. . . any Vedic verse we can refer to, to corroborate that at least they must chant sixteen rounds, or that many number of names?


Prabhupāda: No. In the śāstra it is not said like that...
Prabhupāda: No. In the ''śāstra'' it is not said like that. . .


Akṣayānanda Swami: I see.
Akṣayānanda: I see.


Prabhupāda: It is said, śaṅkhy-pūrvakaḥ...  
Prabhupāda: It is said, ''śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ.'' . .


Akṣayānanda Swami: Śaṅkhy-pūrvakaḥ.  
Akṣayānanda: ''Śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ.''


Prabhupāda: You must fix up.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Counting.
Akṣayānanda: Counting.


Prabhupāda: You must fix up in numerical strength.
Prabhupāda: You must fix up in numerical strength.


Akṣayānanda Swami: I see.
Akṣayānanda: I see.


Prabhupāda: Whatever you can.
Prabhupāda: Whatever you can.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.


Prabhupāda: But I have fixed up sixteen rounds, because you cannot do.
Prabhupāda: But I have fixed up sixteen rounds, because you cannot do.


Akṣayānanda Swami: That's all we can do.
Akṣayānanda That's all we can do.


Prabhupāda: (smiling, touch of irony) Yes. That also is difficult.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That also is difficult.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. (laughing)
Akṣayānanda: Yes. (laughing)


Prabhupāda: Otherwise, Haridāsa Ṭhākura was chanting 300,000. So, That is not possible. You should not imitate, but whatever you fix up you must do.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, Haridāsa Ṭhākura was chanting 300,000. So, that is not possible. You should not imitate. But whatever you fix up, you must do it.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. Yes.
Akṣayānanda: Yes. Yes.


Prabhupāda: That is wanted.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. I was told in the beginning you asked the first disciples to chant 64 rounds?
Akṣayānanda: Yes. I was told in the beginning that you asked the first disciples to chant sixty-four rounds?  


Prabhupāda: Yes. I asked them to chant 32?
Prabhupāda: Yes.


Prabhupāda: (grinning) Hm.
Akṣayānanda: They were unable. Then you asked them to chant thirty-two? Is that correct?


Akṣayānanda Swami: Is that correct?
Prabhupāda: Hmm. ''Śaṅkhya-pūrvaka nāma-gaṇa-natibhiḥ. Śaṅkhya purva'', or numerical strength, must be there. And you should follow rigidly.


Prabhupāda: Śaṅkhy-pūrvaka nāma-gaṇa-natibhiḥ. Śaṅkhya purva, or numerical strength must be there. And you should follow rigidly.
Akṣayānanda: So if. . . if we are serious and sincere, it means that that sixteen will increase to, ah, to continuously chanting.


Akṣayānanda Swami: So if, if we are serious and sincere, it means that that sixteen will increase to, ah, to continuously chanting.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can do also now. It's not that "Because I've finished sixteen rounds. . ."


Prabhupāda: You can do also now. It's not that because I've finished sixteen rounds...
Akṣayānanda: No.
 
Akṣayānanda Swami: No.


Prabhupāda: You can increase. But that sixteen must be finished.
Prabhupāda: You can increase. But that sixteen must be finished.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. (pause) What I mean is, that's to bring us to the platform of chanting constantly. That at least we do that numerical number, finally we may be able to do, if we're fortunate to chant constantly day and night.
Akṣayānanda: Yes. What I mean is, that's to bring us to the platform of chanting constantly. If at least we do that numerical number, finally we may be able to do, if we're fortunate, to chant constantly, day and night.


Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Some of the members of the Gauḍīya Matha who say they chant 64 rounds, they are unable to ah, ahh, refrain from sleeping too much, from eating too much.
Akṣayānanda: Some of the members of the Gauḍīya Matha who say they chant sixty-four rounds, but they are unable to, er, refrain from sleeping too much and eating too much.


Prabhupāda: How do you know that he's eating too much?
Prabhupāda: How do you know that he's eating too much?


Akṣayānanda Swami: I was staying at one about a year ago. When I was travelling I stayed a few days at some of the places. At night they would have a whole meal...
Akṣayānanda: I was staying at one about a year ago. When I was traveling I stayed a few days at some of the places. At night they would have a whole meal. . .


Prabhupāda: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.


Akṣayānanda Swami: ...big, big meal. They would be sitting eating for one hour. Then in the morning they were all tired and very dull.
Akṣayānanda: . . .big, big meal. They would be sitting eating for one hour. Then in the morning they were all tired and very dull.


Prabhupāda: Huh huh. (laughing)
Prabhupāda: (laughs)


Akṣayānanda Swami: Then again at lunch time and after that again sleep. They couldn't do anything else, there was no time for preaching or for distributing books or... But yet they were supposed to be doing 64 rounds. That was in Vishakapatnam.
Akṣayānanda: Then again at lunchtime, and after that again sleep. They couldn't do anything else. There was nothing. . . no time for preaching or for distributing books or. . . But yet they were supposed to be doing sixty-four rounds. That was in Vishakapatnam.


Prabhupāda: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Oh.


Akṣayānanda Swami: They were all very fat.
Akṣayānanda: They were all very fat.


Prabhupāda: What is time now?
Prabhupāda: What is time now?


Devotee: Five to seven. ...here now. I've never been there but I heard there are a lot.. reports Cit-sukhānanda prabhu is there now.
Akṣayānanda: Five to seven. (break)
 
Prabhupāda: Coming from Los Angeles?
 
Devotee: Me, Prabhupāda? San Francisco.
 
Prabhupāda: San Francisco. Things going nice?
 
Devotee: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. . . . (indistinct) . . .. (break)
 
Prabhupāda: . . .devotees are there.
 
Devotee: In San Francisco or Berkeley?


Prabhupāda: Haa.
Prabhupāda: San Francisco there is different branch?


Akṣayānanda Swami: ...(Gauḍīya Maṭha) devotees, your godbrothers and the older devotees are all looking to be pretty alright, but the younger ones, our age, they are unable to continue...
Devotee: Well, they have little. . . a small temple there now. I've never been there, but I heard a lot of good reports. ''Cit-sukhānanda prabhu'' is there now. They have a small temple.


Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa (to a bypasser).
Prabhupāda: Hah. (break)


Akṣayānanda Swami: ...keep the standard. And many of them they have tried to come and join us.
Akṣayānanda: . . .devotees, your Godbrothers and the older devotees all seem to be pretty all right, but the younger ones, our age, they are unable to continue to. . .


Prabhupāda: Ha?
Prabhupāda: (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.


Akṣayānanda Swami: Many of them, they ask to join us even though they are initiated by others. So should we allow them to come or...?
Akṣayānanda: . . .keep the standard. And many of them, they have tried to come and join us.
 
Prabhupāda: Hah?
 
Akṣayānanda: Many of them, they ask to join us, even though they are initiated by others. So should we allow them to come or. . .?


Prabhupāda: No.
Prabhupāda: No.


Akṣayānanda Swami: No. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure about that.
Akṣayānanda: No. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure about that.


Prabhupāda: Why they want to join?
Prabhupāda: Why they want to join?


Akṣayānanda Swami: Because in their centers there's no, there doesn't seem to be so much transcendental activity like you have given us. They don't get that. And if they come and see us they see the devotees are dancing and happy and engaged. The conditions are clean and so on...
Akṣayānanda: Because in their centers there's no. . . there doesn't seem to be so much transcendental activity like you have given us. They don't get that. And if they come and see us, they see the devotees are dancing and happy and engaged, the conditions are clean and so on.


Prabhupāda: So, you can try one or two. If you find that they're alright...
Prabhupāda: So, you can try one or two. If you find that they're all right. . .


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. Doesn't matter.
Akṣayānand: Yes. Doesn't matter.


Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause) We can purchase some of those fields but where is the man? We can grow our own food. (slight pause) They have now learned from the Western countries to run! (jogger goes past) (laughs) And without caring for the field. Hm? Field working is very troublesome and this running is very easy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . .if we can purchase some of these fields. But where is the man? We can grow our own food. (jogger goes past) They have now learned from the Western countries to run. (laughs) And without caring for the field. Hmm? Field working is very troublesome, and this running is very easy.


Hari-śauri: Running out of breath. (pause) Meets some one on the road.
Hari-śauri: Running out of breath. (break)  


Prabhupāda: Ha?
Indian man: . . . (indistinct) . . .


Man: (mumbling) ...Only Māyāpur, eh, Caitanya Chandrodaya Mandir temple is ahh, undoubtedly, eh, ahh Hari.. ahh, eheḥ, ahh, (mumbles something more)
Prabhupāda: Now better?


Prabhupāda: Scientists say, is there any living entity in the sun globe?
Indian man: (mumbling) Only Māyāpur, I think, Caitanya Chandrodaya Mandir temple is, ah, undoubtedly, eh, the best one . . . (indistinct) . . . .


Akṣayānanda Swami: No. They don't, they say there's nothing.
Prabhupāda: Scientists say is there any living entity in the sun globe?
 
Akṣayānanda: No. They don't . . . They say there's nothing.


Prabhupāda: Simply everything here?
Prabhupāda: Simply everything here?


Akṣayānanda Swami: Yes. That's what they say.
Akṣayānanda: Yes. That's what they say.


Prabhupāda: And especially in Europe and America! (everyone laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa! They say there is nothing. They have gone there? They have seen?
Prabhupāda: And especially in Europe and America. (everyone laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. They say there is nothing. They have gone there? They have seen?


Akṣayānanda Swami: Not very intelligent.
Akṣayānanda: Not very intelligent.


Prabhupāda: Ha?
Prabhupāda: Hah?


Akṣayānanda Swami: Not very intelligent... [break]
Akṣayānanda: Not very intelligent. . . (break)


Jñāna: ...nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen...
Jñāna: . . .nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen. . .


Prabhupāda: So who, who put all this energy there? Where from nitrogen came?
Prabhupāda: So who, who put all this energy there? Wherefrom nitrogen came?


Jñāna: That they don't know.
Jñāna: That they don't know.


Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. They do not know, something, and they are speaking on the subject matter. Is it not nonsense?
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. They do not know something, and they are speaking on the subject matter. Is it not nonsense?


Harikeśa: We know there's no life on the sun because we can look at a fire here and we see there's no life.
Harikeśa: We know there's no life in the sun, because we can look at a fire here and we see there's no life.


Prabhupāda: But you are blind. You have no eyes to see.
Prabhupāda: But you are blind. You have no eyes to see.


Harikeśa: Well we have our instruments and we look through...
Harikeśa: Well, we have our instruments, and we look through the instruments. . .


Prabhupāda: So what is the use of it? Anything made by rascal, is that perfect?
Prabhupāda: What instrument? What instrument?  


Harikeśa: Well it's better than some mythological book!
Harikeśa: We have our microscopes.


Prabhupāda: No, book also, you write book and you want to believe, others your book. That is also book. Why do you write scientific book?
Prabhupāda: But that is made by you, rascal. Microscope made by rascals, so what is the value of it? Anything made by rascal, is that perfect?


Harikeśa: Well they're proven, those other books...
Harikeśa: Well it's better than some mythological book.
 
Prabhupāda: No. Book also, you write book, and you want to believe, others, your book. That is also book. Why do you write scientific book?
 
Harikeśa: Well they're proven, those other books. . .


Prabhupāda: What is proven? You cannot say what is the chemical there, wherefrom came. Is that proof? "We cannot say." Is that proof?
Prabhupāda: What is proven? You cannot say what is the chemical there, wherefrom came. Is that proof? "We cannot say." Is that proof?


Harikeśa: Well we know how they interact. We may not know how they got here but we know what they do once they are here.
Harikeśa: Well, we know how they interact. We may not know how they got here, but we know what they do once they are here.


Prabhupāda: No... Knowledge means to find out the source. That is knowledge. Where from it comes. There is a good example we studied in our childhood. A child was very intelligent so he was beating on a drum, so he was very much inquisitive, "Where from the sound is coming?" Then he cut the surface... (laughing) That is intelligence. Inquisitive... where from the sound is coming? Although it was childish but that is innate intelligence.
Prabhupāda: No, the. . . Knowledge means to find out the source. That is knowledge. Wherefrom it comes. There is a good example we studied in our childhood. A child was very intelligent, so he was beating on a drum. So he was very much inquisitive, "Wherefrom the sound is coming?" Then he cut the surface. . . (laughing) That is intelligence. Inquisitive: "Wherefrom the sound is coming?" Although it was childish, but that is innate intelligence.


Hari-śauri: Scientists are trying to do that. They are taking...
Hari-śauri: Scientists are trying to do that. They are taking. . .


Prabhupāda: And that is alright. In future! (laughter)
Prabhupāda: And that is all right. "In future." (laughter)


Smarahari: The scientists say that the sun is made of certain elements and all the stars they are made of the same...
Indian devotee: The scientists say that the sun is made of certain elements, and all the stars, they are made of the same. . .


Prabhupāda: Then why don't you make an imitation sun here? At night so that you may save so many expenses. So much expenses for electric. The rascal. If you know the chemicals then you make it. Ha? What do they say?
Prabhupāda: Then why don't you make an imitation sun here, at night so that you may save so many expenses, so much expenses for electric? You rascal. If you know the chemicals, then you make it. Hah? What do they say?


Smarahari: They say there are many suns... but...
Devotee: They say there are many suns, but. . .


Prabhupāda: That's alright. Make you one sun, if you know! Many suns but you have not made anyone of them. You just try to make one, then I shall see your intelligence. Huh? What do you say? Anybody?
Prabhupāda: That's all right. Make you one sun, if you know. Many suns, but you have not made any one of them. You just try to make one, then I shall see your intelligence. Huh? What do you say? Anybody?


Akṣayānanda Swami: They cannot do.
Akṣayānanda: They cannot do.


Devotee (1) (woman): They don't have enough power.
Woman devotee (1): They don't have enough power.


Prabhupāda: Huh? Then why do you say nonsense! If you have not enough power there must be somebody powerful than you—you have to admit that—who has made all these things. But you are rascal you have not... You are simply, ahh, what is called? Speculating. That in future we shall be powerful. But the powerful is already there. What is your credit? More powerful-) you cannot conceive even how powerful He a scientist. Huh? Is that alright? What is your value? The already powerful is there, who has manufactured these things. And you are expecting in future you'll be powerful; therefore you are more powerful. Just see their folly. If you are powerful then make it, another imitation sun.
Prabhupāda: Huh? Then why do you say nonsense? If you have not enough power, there must be somebody powerful than you—you have to admit that—who has made all these things. But you are rascal; you are not doing that. You are simply, er, what is called, speculating, that "In future we shall be powerful." But the powerful already is there. What is your credit? More powerful. . . If you cannot conceive even how powerful He is, and you are trying to become in future powereful, therefore you are a scientist. Huh? Is that all right? What is your value? The already powerful is there, who has manufactured these things. And you are expecting in future you'll be powerful; therefore you are more powerful. Just see their fun. If you are powerful, then make it, another imitation sun.


Harikeśa: (half joking) I'm seriously speaking, if we made another one the whole place would become too hot.
Harikeśa: I mean, seriously speaking, if we made another one, the whole place would become too hot.


Prabhupāda: Hah. So you are scientist, you protect yourself. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Hah. So you are scientist, you protect yourself. (laughter)


Devotee (2): Scientists aren't very intelligent because today he big thing in the country politically is that whole world thinks they are running out of energy on one hand, and on the other hand the whole world believes that the scientists can solve all the problems and get to know the absolute truth but if they...
Devotee (2): Prabhupada? Scientists aren't very intelligent, because today the big thing in the country politically is that the whole world thinks they are running out of energy on one hand, and on another hand the whole world believes that the scientists can solve all the problems and get to know the Absolute Truth. But yet they can't even. . .


Prabhupāda: They are creating problems.
Prabhupāda: They are creating problems.


Devotee (2): Yes, they're creating problems.
Devotee (2): Yeah, they're creating problems.


Prabhupāda: (sounds of lots of birds in background) (stops) Birds and beasts, they're living without any scientists—they're more happy.
Prabhupāda: (sounds of many birds in background) Birds and beasts, they're living without any scientists—they're more happy.


Harikeśa: But they're freezing in the cold and they're...
Harikeśa: But they're freezing in the cold, and they're. . .


Prabhupāda: No, no one is freezing. That is you are speaking but they are not freezing. Even int the coldest part of the country, Greenland, the animals are living quite nicely. The birds and many animals.
Prabhupāda: No, nobody is freezing. That is you are speaking, but they are not freezing. Even in the coldest part of the country, Greenland, the animals are living quite nicely, the birds and many animals.


Hari-śauri: But if we preach like that to them, then they'll say 'then what's wrong with becoming an animal then'?
Hari-śauri: But if we preach like that to them, then they'll say, "Then what's wrong with becoming an animal then?"


Prabhupāda: Huh? But you are less than an animal. Talking nonsense. Put forward the problems, summarise janma-mṛtyu-jar-vyādhi solve these problems.
Prabhupāda: Huh? But you are less than an animal, talking nonsense. Put forward the problems, summarize. ''Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi''—solve these problems.


Harikeśa: Well we can solve the problem of birth by just killing all the children.
Harikeśa: Well, we can solve the problem of birth by just killing all the children.


Prabhupāda: (laughing) That is not solving, the birth is already there, therefore you are killing. (everyone laughing)
Prabhupāda: (laughing) That is not solving. The birth is already there; therefore you are killing. (laughter)


Akṣayānanda Swami: Birth is still there.
Akṣayānanda: Birth is still there.


Prabhupāda: No. Because there is birth therefore you are killing. So birth problem is not solved.
Prabhupāda: No. Because there is birth, therefore you are killing. So birth problem is not solved.


Harikeśa: No, no, no. We're killing before birth.
Harikeśa: No, no, no. We're killing before birth.


Prabhupāda: What is this before birth. The child is already there... mother's womb.
Prabhupāda: What is "before birth"? The child is already there.


Prabhupāda: Ah. That is you rascal you can say. Unless he has (sic) no life, how it is growing? Such a rascal...
Harikeśa: No, no. The child is not born until it leaves the mother's womb.
 
Prabhupāda: Ah. That is you rascal you can say. Unless he has (sic) no life, how it is growing? Such a rascal. . .


Harikeśa: It's a lump.
Harikeśa: It's a lump.


Prabhupāda: ...they cannot understand. Does a dead child grow? Simply speaking nonsense!
Prabhupāda: . . .they cannot understand. Does a dead child grow? Never. Simply speaking nonsense.


Harikeśa: That's their whole argument for abortion.
Harikeśa: That's their whole argument for abortion.


Prabhupāda: That's alright but...
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but. . .


Harikeśa: You just finished it! (laughing)
Harikeśa: You just finished it. (laughing)


Prabhupāda: ...but our point is, the birth problem is not solved. If there are unwanted population, you kill them that does not mean the population problem is solved.
Prabhupāda: . . .but our point is, the birth problem is not solved. If there are unwanted population, you kill them, that does not mean the population problem is solved.


Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the actual causes of the problems.
Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the actual causes of the problems.


Prabhupāda: Hm?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?


Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the causes of the problems so they're trying to adjust to them.
Hari-śauri: They're not seeing the actual causes of the problems, so they're trying to adjust to them.


Prabhupāda: What is that?
Prabhupāda: What is that?


Hari-śauri: They're simply trying to make so many adjustments to the problems but they are not solving the cause.
Hari-śauri: They're simply trying to make so many adjustments to the problems, but they are not solving the cause.


Prabhupāda: Yes. That adjustment is not solution.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That adjustment is not solution.


Akṣayānanda Swami: You said once, putting the weight from your head to your shoulder.
Akṣayānanda: You said once, putting the weight from your head and then onto your shoulders.


Prabhupāda: Ha?
Prabhupāda: Hah?


Akṣayānanda Swami: You are carrying a heavy weight I remember you said once. You're carrying heavy weight here, to take the pain you put it here. Then again back here. But still the weight is there.
Akṣayānanda: You are carrying a heavy weight, I remember you said once. You're carrying heavy weight here. To take the pain, you put it here, then again back here.


Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.


Harikeśa: The scientists came up with another one for enjoyment. That they cut this little cord that makes the sperm come into the semen and in this way they can have sex life like anything and they're actually not killing. (Man shouts greeting in background)
Akṣayānanda: But still the weight is there.
 
Harikeśa: The scientists came up with another one for enjoyment: that they cut this little cord that makes the sperm come into the semen, and in this way they can have sex life like anything and they're actually not killing. (man shouts greeting in background)


Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jai! Jaya. Semen, what is that?
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. ''Jaya. Jaya''. Semen, what is that?


Harikeśa: Well they say anyway, that... into the semen so they cut this little cord, that tube or something, that has the semen go into the sperm, so the sperm never gets into the semen. So therefore they can have sex life but they'll be no reproduction.
Harikeśa: Well, they say anyway, that the sperm is produced somewhere, and then it's put into the semen. So they cut this little cord, that tube or something, that has the semen go into the sperm, so the sperm never gets into the semen. So therefore they can have sex life, but there'll be no reproduction.


Prabhupāda: So one may check, two may check, what about millions? Supposing they can check in that way, it may be possible for one or two, or a dozen, but what about millions and millions? Nature's way.
Prabhupāda: So one may check, two may check, what about millions? Supposing they can check in that way. But that may be possible for one, two, or a dozen, but what about millions and millions? Nature's way.


Harikeśa: That's if they, they're doing this in...
Harikeśa: That's if they. . . They were doing this in. . .


Prabhupāda: In future. That will solve in future.
Prabhupāda: "In future." That will solve in future.


Harikeśa: They were giving prizes to people who are doing this.
Harikeśa: They were giving prizes to people who did this.


Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
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Harikeśa: Like TV sets.
Harikeśa: Like TV sets.


Prabhupāda: Mutual 'present' society. (everyone laughing) (front bell of temple ringing as Prabhupāda enters grounds) Hiraṇyakaśipu civilization, and we are presenting Prahlāda civilization. So this is a struggle, but ultimately Prahlāda will come out triumphant. Hare Kṛṣṇa (to bystander) and Hiraṇyakaṣipu will be killed. Jaya! (Walks into temple) (end).
Prabhupāda: Mutual "present" society. (laughter) Hiraṇyakaśipu civilization, and we are presenting Prahlāda civilization. So this is a struggle, but ultimately Prahlāda will come out triumphant. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. And Hiraṇyakaṣipu will be killed. ''Jaya''.  


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His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



751211MW-VRNDAVAN - December 11, 1975 - 22:35 Minutes



Prabhupāda: Huh?

Woman devotee (1): I'm trying to collect for making vases.

Prabhupāda: Hmm? What is that?

Harikeśa: She's making vases, flower arrangements for the altar. (break)

Akṣayānanda: . . . only had one sweeper, so I wasn't able to engage him. But I got some soda to do it with. Hopefully today, this morning, he will start.

Prabhupāda: Bicycle was available, forty-five rupees.

Akṣayānanda: Ācchā. Now they're 250, almost 300 rupees.

Prabhupāda: And very first class bicycle like Triumph BA. BA? What is that, BS?

Akṣayānanda: BSA.

Prabhupāda: Ha, BSA. Eighty rupees, eighty-five rupees, that's all.

Harikeśa: Viśvambhara's cost 500.

Prabhupāda: Now that must be. Everything has risen.

Indian devotee: Also, material is not so good also, the material.

Prabhupāda: Hah?

Indian devotee: The steel is not so good.

Prabhupāda: Now?

Devotee: Now, degraded(?) some.

Akṣayānanda: Price has risen and quality has lessened. I think, Prabhupāda, you know the ISKCON centers you have started, they are just like actually Vaikuṇṭha, they are so nice. Even the Gauḍīya Maṭha centers were not so nice. Just like an installation of Vaikuṇṭha. They're so clean and nice. (break) . . .help becoming devotees by visiting your centers. Becomes almost automatic.

Prabhupāda: If you follow the regulative principles, it will remain always Vaikuṇṭha. Otherwise, again material world.

Akṣayānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: A free hotel. (laughs) That's all. And free hotel will not endure.

Akṣayānanda: No.

Prabhupāda: Spirit of service must be maintained. . . . mukhe hi jivadau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ (CC Madhya 17.136). By service spirit, beginning with tongue: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is revealed, Vaikuṇṭha atmosphere. Sethjī has not come out. (break) Yes.

Akṣayānanda: Of course we accept. . . Ah, when you tell us to chant sixteen rounds, we accept that figure as being, in perfect faith, that you're the ācārya. But, ah, what if others we want to convince, is there any, any, ah, śāstr. . . any Vedic verse we can refer to, to corroborate that at least they must chant sixteen rounds, or that many number of names?

Prabhupāda: No. In the śāstra it is not said like that. . .

Akṣayānanda: I see.

Prabhupāda: It is said, śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ. . .

Akṣayānanda: Śaṅkhya-pūrvakaḥ.

Prabhupāda: You must fix up.

Akṣayānanda: Counting.

Prabhupāda: You must fix up in numerical strength.

Akṣayānanda: I see.

Prabhupāda: Whatever you can.

Akṣayānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: But I have fixed up sixteen rounds, because you cannot do.

Akṣayānanda That's all we can do.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That also is difficult.

Akṣayānanda: Yes. (laughing)

Prabhupāda: Otherwise, Haridāsa Ṭhākura was chanting 300,000. So, that is not possible. You should not imitate. But whatever you fix up, you must do it.

Akṣayānanda: Yes. Yes.

Prabhupāda: That is wanted.

Akṣayānanda: Yes. I was told in the beginning that you asked the first disciples to chant sixty-four rounds?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Akṣayānanda: They were unable. Then you asked them to chant thirty-two? Is that correct?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Śaṅkhya-pūrvaka nāma-gaṇa-natibhiḥ. Śaṅkhya purva, or numerical strength, must be there. And you should follow rigidly.

Akṣayānanda: So if. . . if we are serious and sincere, it means that that sixteen will increase to, ah, to continuously chanting.

Prabhupāda: Yes. You can do also now. It's not that "Because I've finished sixteen rounds. . ."

Akṣayānanda: No.

Prabhupāda: You can increase. But that sixteen must be finished.

Akṣayānanda: Yes. What I mean is, that's to bring us to the platform of chanting constantly. If at least we do that numerical number, finally we may be able to do, if we're fortunate, to chant constantly, day and night.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Akṣayānanda: Some of the members of the Gauḍīya Matha who say they chant sixty-four rounds, but they are unable to, er, refrain from sleeping too much and eating too much.

Prabhupāda: How do you know that he's eating too much?

Akṣayānanda: I was staying at one about a year ago. When I was traveling I stayed a few days at some of the places. At night they would have a whole meal. . .

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Akṣayānanda: . . .big, big meal. They would be sitting eating for one hour. Then in the morning they were all tired and very dull.

Prabhupāda: (laughs)

Akṣayānanda: Then again at lunchtime, and after that again sleep. They couldn't do anything else. There was nothing. . . no time for preaching or for distributing books or. . . But yet they were supposed to be doing sixty-four rounds. That was in Vishakapatnam.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Akṣayānanda: They were all very fat.

Prabhupāda: What is time now?

Akṣayānanda: Five to seven. (break)

Prabhupāda: Coming from Los Angeles?

Devotee: Me, Prabhupāda? San Francisco.

Prabhupāda: San Francisco. Things going nice?

Devotee: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. . . . (indistinct) . . .. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . .devotees are there.

Devotee: In San Francisco or Berkeley?

Prabhupāda: San Francisco there is different branch?

Devotee: Well, they have little. . . a small temple there now. I've never been there, but I heard a lot of good reports. Cit-sukhānanda prabhu is there now. They have a small temple.

Prabhupāda: Hah. (break)

Akṣayānanda: . . .devotees, your Godbrothers and the older devotees all seem to be pretty all right, but the younger ones, our age, they are unable to continue to. . .

Prabhupāda: (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Akṣayānanda: . . .keep the standard. And many of them, they have tried to come and join us.

Prabhupāda: Hah?

Akṣayānanda: Many of them, they ask to join us, even though they are initiated by others. So should we allow them to come or. . .?

Prabhupāda: No.

Akṣayānanda: No. That's what I thought. I wasn't sure about that.

Prabhupāda: Why they want to join?

Akṣayānanda: Because in their centers there's no. . . there doesn't seem to be so much transcendental activity like you have given us. They don't get that. And if they come and see us, they see the devotees are dancing and happy and engaged, the conditions are clean and so on.

Prabhupāda: So, you can try one or two. If you find that they're all right. . .

Akṣayānand: Yes. Doesn't matter.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . .if we can purchase some of these fields. But where is the man? We can grow our own food. (jogger goes past) They have now learned from the Western countries to run. (laughs) And without caring for the field. Hmm? Field working is very troublesome, and this running is very easy.

Hari-śauri: Running out of breath. (break)

Indian man: . . . (indistinct) . . .

Prabhupāda: Now better?

Indian man: (mumbling) Only Māyāpur, I think, Caitanya Chandrodaya Mandir temple is, ah, undoubtedly, eh, the best one . . . (indistinct) . . . .

Prabhupāda: Scientists say is there any living entity in the sun globe?

Akṣayānanda: No. They don't . . . They say there's nothing.

Prabhupāda: Simply everything here?

Akṣayānanda: Yes. That's what they say.

Prabhupāda: And especially in Europe and America. (everyone laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. They say there is nothing. They have gone there? They have seen?

Akṣayānanda: Not very intelligent.

Prabhupāda: Hah?

Akṣayānanda: Not very intelligent. . . (break)

Jñāna: . . .nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen. . .

Prabhupāda: So who, who put all this energy there? Wherefrom nitrogen came?

Jñāna: That they don't know.

Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. They do not know something, and they are speaking on the subject matter. Is it not nonsense?

Harikeśa: We know there's no life in the sun, because we can look at a fire here and we see there's no life.

Prabhupāda: But you are blind. You have no eyes to see.

Harikeśa: Well, we have our instruments, and we look through the instruments. . .

Prabhupāda: What instrument? What instrument?

Harikeśa: We have our microscopes.

Prabhupāda: But that is made by you, rascal. Microscope made by rascals, so what is the value of it? Anything made by rascal, is that perfect?

Harikeśa: Well it's better than some mythological book.

Prabhupāda: No. Book also, you write book, and you want to believe, others, your book. That is also book. Why do you write scientific book?

Harikeśa: Well they're proven, those other books. . .

Prabhupāda: What is proven? You cannot say what is the chemical there, wherefrom came. Is that proof? "We cannot say." Is that proof?

Harikeśa: Well, we know how they interact. We may not know how they got here, but we know what they do once they are here.

Prabhupāda: No, the. . . Knowledge means to find out the source. That is knowledge. Wherefrom it comes. There is a good example we studied in our childhood. A child was very intelligent, so he was beating on a drum. So he was very much inquisitive, "Wherefrom the sound is coming?" Then he cut the surface. . . (laughing) That is intelligence. Inquisitive: "Wherefrom the sound is coming?" Although it was childish, but that is innate intelligence.

Hari-śauri: Scientists are trying to do that. They are taking. . .

Prabhupāda: And that is all right. "In future." (laughter)

Indian devotee: The scientists say that the sun is made of certain elements, and all the stars, they are made of the same. . .

Prabhupāda: Then why don't you make an imitation sun here, at night so that you may save so many expenses, so much expenses for electric? You rascal. If you know the chemicals, then you make it. Hah? What do they say?

Devotee: They say there are many suns, but. . .

Prabhupāda: That's all right. Make you one sun, if you know. Many suns, but you have not made any one of them. You just try to make one, then I shall see your intelligence. Huh? What do you say? Anybody?

Akṣayānanda: They cannot do.

Woman devotee (1): They don't have enough power.

Prabhupāda: Huh? Then why do you say nonsense? If you have not enough power, there must be somebody powerful than you—you have to admit that—who has made all these things. But you are rascal; you are not doing that. You are simply, er, what is called, speculating, that "In future we shall be powerful." But the powerful already is there. What is your credit? More powerful. . . If you cannot conceive even how powerful He is, and you are trying to become in future powereful, therefore you are a scientist. Huh? Is that all right? What is your value? The already powerful is there, who has manufactured these things. And you are expecting in future you'll be powerful; therefore you are more powerful. Just see their fun. If you are powerful, then make it, another imitation sun.

Harikeśa: I mean, seriously speaking, if we made another one, the whole place would become too hot.

Prabhupāda: Hah. So you are scientist, you protect yourself. (laughter)

Devotee (2): Prabhupada? Scientists aren't very intelligent, because today the big thing in the country politically is that the whole world thinks they are running out of energy on one hand, and on another hand the whole world believes that the scientists can solve all the problems and get to know the Absolute Truth. But yet they can't even. . .

Prabhupāda: They are creating problems.

Devotee (2): Yeah, they're creating problems.

Prabhupāda: (sounds of many birds in background) Birds and beasts, they're living without any scientists—they're more happy.

Harikeśa: But they're freezing in the cold, and they're. . .

Prabhupāda: No, nobody is freezing. That is you are speaking, but they are not freezing. Even in the coldest part of the country, Greenland, the animals are living quite nicely, the birds and many animals.

Hari-śauri: But if we preach like that to them, then they'll say, "Then what's wrong with becoming an animal then?"

Prabhupāda: Huh? But you are less than an animal, talking nonsense. Put forward the problems, summarize. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi—solve these problems.

Harikeśa: Well, we can solve the problem of birth by just killing all the children.

Prabhupāda: (laughing) That is not solving. The birth is already there; therefore you are killing. (laughter)

Akṣayānanda: Birth is still there.

Prabhupāda: No. Because there is birth, therefore you are killing. So birth problem is not solved.

Harikeśa: No, no, no. We're killing before birth.

Prabhupāda: What is "before birth"? The child is already there.

Harikeśa: No, no. The child is not born until it leaves the mother's womb.

Prabhupāda: Ah. That is you rascal you can say. Unless he has (sic) no life, how it is growing? Such a rascal. . .

Harikeśa: It's a lump.

Prabhupāda: . . .they cannot understand. Does a dead child grow? Never. Simply speaking nonsense.

Harikeśa: That's their whole argument for abortion.

Prabhupāda: That's all right, but. . .

Harikeśa: You just finished it. (laughing)

Prabhupāda: . . .but our point is, the birth problem is not solved. If there are unwanted population, you kill them, that does not mean the population problem is solved.

Hari-śauri: They're not actually seeing the actual causes of the problems.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Hari-śauri: They're not seeing the actual causes of the problems, so they're trying to adjust to them.

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Hari-śauri: They're simply trying to make so many adjustments to the problems, but they are not solving the cause.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That adjustment is not solution.

Akṣayānanda: You said once, putting the weight from your head and then onto your shoulders.

Prabhupāda: Hah?

Akṣayānanda: You are carrying a heavy weight, I remember you said once. You're carrying heavy weight here. To take the pain, you put it here, then again back here.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Akṣayānanda: But still the weight is there.

Harikeśa: The scientists came up with another one for enjoyment: that they cut this little cord that makes the sperm come into the semen, and in this way they can have sex life like anything and they're actually not killing. (man shouts greeting in background)

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Jaya. Semen, what is that?

Harikeśa: Well, they say anyway, that the sperm is produced somewhere, and then it's put into the semen. So they cut this little cord, that tube or something, that has the semen go into the sperm, so the sperm never gets into the semen. So therefore they can have sex life, but there'll be no reproduction.

Prabhupāda: So one may check, two may check, what about millions? Supposing they can check in that way. But that may be possible for one, two, or a dozen, but what about millions and millions? Nature's way.

Harikeśa: That's if they. . . They were doing this in. . .

Prabhupāda: "In future." That will solve in future.

Harikeśa: They were giving prizes to people who did this.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Harikeśa: Like TV sets.

Prabhupāda: Mutual "present" society. (laughter) Hiraṇyakaśipu civilization, and we are presenting Prahlāda civilization. So this is a struggle, but ultimately Prahlāda will come out triumphant. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. And Hiraṇyakaṣipu will be killed. Jaya.

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