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Prabhupāda: ...one poster [break]


Satsvarūpa: ...real leaders don't spoil life.
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Bali Mardana: Yeah, I saw the plan. It's nice.
 
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Prabhupāda: . . . one poster.
 
Satsvarūpa: . . . select (break) . . . real leaders don't spoil life.
 
Bali-mardana: Yeah, I saw the plan. It's nice.


Prabhupāda: Huh?
Prabhupāda: Huh?


Bali Mardana: I saw the plans for it; it's very nice. [break]
Bali-mardana: I saw the plans for it; it's very nice. (break)


Prabhupāda: Also clear water like this.
Prabhupāda: Also clear water like this.


Bali Mardana: Oh.
Bali-mardana: Oh.


Prabhupāda: Juhu Beach is better than this.
Prabhupāda: Juhu beach is better than this.


Bali Mardana: Yeah, this is rocky. [break]
Bali-mardana: Yeah, this is rocky. (break)


Prabhupāda: There are two millions types of vegetables and trees. Two million. What these rascals know? The botanists might have seen thousands, but two millions there are. ( japa ) So they are getting bitter melon?
Prabhupāda: There are two millions types of vegetables and trees and plants. Two million. What these rascals know? The botanists might have seen thousands, but two millions there are. (laughs) (''japa'') So they are getting bitter melon?


Bali Mardana: They have got already.
Bali-mardana: They have got already.


Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice. Bitter melon, eggplant, maybe this mankachu (?). They prepare. They will be very nice combination, yes. Buy one vegetable, you can eat whole thing. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice. Bitter melon, eggplant, maybe this ''mankachu''. They prepare, they will be very nice combination. Yes. So buy one vegetable, you can eat whole thing. Yes.


Sudāmā: We will try and get some squash leaves, too.
Sudāmā: We will try and get some squash leaves, too.
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Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.


Sudāmā: The stems. [break]
Sudāmā: The stems. (break)


Satsvarūpa: ...the word...
Satsvarūpa: . . . how's that, by the word.


Prabhupāda: Salt, salt, turned into sand. Salty water, silica. Sodium silicate. Salt is called sodium carbonate?
Prabhupāda: Salt, salt, turned into sand. Salty water, silica. Sodium silicate. Salt is called sodium carbonate?


Bali Mardana: Yes, it is.
Bali-mardana: Yes, it is.


Prabhupāda: Eh? [break] From any earth you'll find some percentage of salt. [break] ...for increasing population, but we rascals, we have made, "No, you cannot come here. You rot there." This is our civilization. India, China is overpopulated. So if people allow, just like Australia, Africa, and many islands.
Prabhupāda: Eh? (break) From any earth you'll find some percentage of salt. (break) . . . for increasing population, but we rascals, we have made, "No, you cannot come here. You rot there." This is our civilization. India, China is overpopulated. So if people allow, just like Australia, Africa, and many islands.


Bali Mardana: Russia.
Bali-mardana: Russia.


Prabhupāda: Russia is useless.
Prabhupāda: Russia is useless.


Bali Mardana: Oh, it's too cold.
Bali-mardana: Oh, it's too cold.


Prabhupāda: Yes, it is for the Russians. But there are so many other islands like this.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is for the Russians. But there are so many other islands like this.
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Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Eh?


Sudāmā: Tahiti. Also is... Below here.
Sudāmā: Tahiti. Also is . . . below here.
 
Bali Mardana: There are thousands of islands in the Pacific.


Prabhupāda: Just see. Let them come and live here. Produce foodstuffs, have cows, fruits, flowers, live peacefully, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa; but they won't allow. Americans, yes, they have got so much land. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā [[ISO mantra 1]] . Whatever is Kṛṣṇa's property, you can... You are Kṛṣṇa's son; you can utilize it. But one son is prohibiting, "No, no, you cannot enter here." This is the problem. The so-called nationalism is dangerous. Just see how nice flowers, fruits, plant. Everything is there, complete.
Bali-mardana: There are thousands of islands in the Pacific.


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Prabhupāda: Just see. Let them come and live here. Produce foodstuffs, have cows, fruits, flowers, live peacefully, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa; but they won't allow. Americans, yes, they have got so much land. ''Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā'' ([[ISO 1|ISO 1]]). Whatever is Kṛṣṇa's property, you can . . . you are Kṛṣṇa's son, you can utilize it. But one son is prohibiting, "No, no, you cannot enter here." This is the problem. The so-called nationalism is dangerous. Just see how nice flowers, fruits, plant. Everything is there, complete.
pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ<br />
pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate<br />
pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya<br />
pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate<br />


[Iso Invocation]  
:''pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ''
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:''pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate''
:''pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya''
:''pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate''
:([[ISO Invocation]])


There is no question of overpopulation at all. These rascals have created like that. Hare Kṛṣṇa. They're coming from our temple?
There is no question of overpopulation at all. These rascals have created like that. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. They're coming from our temple?


Sudāmā: Yes. Jayaśrī is here also.
Sudāmā: Yes. Jayaśrī is here also.


Prabhupāda: Oh. ( japa ) Thank you. Jayaśrī joined when I first came here?
Prabhupāda: Oh. (''japa'') (aside) Thank you. Jayaśrī joined when I first came here?


Sudāmā: Yes.
Sudāmā: Yes.


Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Feeling all right? I think you joined when I first came here?
Prabhupāda: (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Feeling alright? I think you joined when I first came here?


Jayaśrī: Yes.
Jayaśrī: Yes.


Prabhupāda: Thank you. [break] ...savitā sakala-grahāṇām. Gāyatrī mantra is worshiping the sun. Yac cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ rājā samasta-sura-mūrtir aśeṣa-tejāḥ, unlimitedly powerful, unlimitedly heated. Aśeṣa, how much heat is there, your brain cannot accommodate. And therefore it is said, aśeṣa-tejāḥ: "without any limit." This is God's creation. Where is the scientist who can create a small sun? How this water is going there? Where is the pipe? You rascal, if you want to pump your water in the skyscraper building, you require pumping and pipe and so many things, but where is the pipe? And where is the pumping station or pumping machine? But you'll find so much water. How the water is transferred there? What is their explanation? They'll use simply some bogus jugglery of words. That's all. But produce it, without pipe, without pump. Let the water go up, up. "Yes, we are trying. In future we shall do it." And what about of the present? Who is that scientist?
Prabhupāda: Thank you. (''japa'') (break) . . . ''savitā sakala-grahāṇām. Gāyatrī'' ''mantra'' is worshiping the sun. ''Yac cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ rājā samasta-sura-mūrtir aśeṣa-tejāḥ'' (Bs. 5.52), unlimitedly powerful, unlimitedly heated. ''Aśeṣa''. How much heat is there, your brain cannot accommodate. And therefore it is said, ''aśeṣa-tejāḥ'': "without any limit." This is God's creation. Where is the scientist who can create a small sun? How this water is going there? Where is the pipe? You rascal, if you want to pump your water in the skyscraper building, you require pumping and pipe and so many things. But where is the pipe? And where is the pumping station or pumping machine? But you'll find so much water. How the water is transferred there? What is their explanation? They'll use simply some bogus jugglery of words, that's all. But produce it, without pipe, without pump. Let the water go up, up. "Yes, we are trying. In future we shall do it." And what about of the present? Who is that scientist?


Bali Mardana: They say it is an accident, that the world is going to the...
Bali-mardana: They say it is an accident, that the world is going to the . . .


Prabhupāda: They are rascals. Therefore I always say, "Kick them on their face with your shoes, so-called scientists." "Accident." There is no question of accident. Mūḍha. Therefore they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā as mūḍhāḥ, rascals, narādhama. Narādhama, the lowest of the mankind. Because they got this opportunity to appreciate the work of Kṛṣṇa, but they avoid it, they are narādhama. No, they are so big, big graduate, scientists, and..." māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ [[BG 7.15]] . Their real knowledge is taken away, simply childish proposing something, so-called scientists. Real knowledge is to see everywhere Kṛṣṇa, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [[BG 7.15]] . The supervision of Kṛṣṇa. That is real knowledge. Not only to appreciate, but to explain it also. Kaniṣṭha-adhikārī will appreciate, but cannot explain how it is being done. Madhyama-adhikārī will explain. That is preacher. And uttama-adhikārī, he thinks that everyone knows, everyone knows. He does not see that somebody knows, somebody does not know. He sees everyone knows. That is uttama-adhikārī. He does not make any distinction.
Prabhupāda: They are rascals. Therefore I always say, "Kick them on their face with your shoes, so-called scientists." "Accident." There is no question of accident. ''Mūḍha''. Therefore they have been described in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as ''mūḍhā'', rascals, ''narādhama. Narādhama'', the lowest of the mankind. Because they got this opportunity to appreciate the work of Kṛṣṇa, but they avoid it, they are ''narādhama''. No, they are so big, big graduate, scientists, and . . ." ''māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ'' ([[BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]]). Their real knowledge is taken away, simply childish proposing something, so-called scientists. Real knowledge is to see everywhere Kṛṣṇa, ''mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram'' ([[BG 9.10 (1972)|BG 9.10]]), the supervision of Kṛṣṇa. That is real knowledge. Not only to appreciate, but to explain it also. ''Kaniṣṭha-adhikārī'' will appreciate, but cannot explain how it is being done. ''Madhyama-adhikārī'' will explain. That is preacher. And ''uttama-adhikārī'', he thinks that everyone knows, everyone knows. He does not see that somebody knows, somebody does not know. He sees everyone knows. That is ''uttama-adhikārī.'' He does not make any distinction.


Bali Mardana: He does not preach.
Bali-mardana: He does not preach.


Prabhupāda: Eh? No. He's paramahaṁsa. Does not preach means he preaches, but he comes to the second-class platform. The first-class platform means he does not make any distinction between devotee and nondevotee. He sees everyone is engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service.
Prabhupāda: Eh? No. He's ''paramahaṁsa''. Does not preach . . . (indistinct) . . . he preaches, but he comes to the second-class platform. The first-class platform means he does not make any distinction between devotee and nondevotee. He sees everyone is engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service.


Bali Mardana: Does he consciously come from the first-class to second-class.
Bali-mardana: Does he consciously come from the first class to the second class?


Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Just like Jesus Christ says that there was many things to be said by, by...
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Just like Jesus Christ said that there was many things to be said by, by . . .


Bali Mardana: "There are many things, but I can, but you cannot, I have to tell you, but you cannot bear them now."
Bali-mardana: "There are many things, but I can . . . but you cannot . . . that I have to tell you, but you cannot bear them now."


Prabhupāda: Yes, so that means he's first-class, but he comes to the second-class platform or third-class platform to teach the third-class, second-class person. He's first class. Son of God cannot be second-class or third-class. He must be first-class. But... Just like Lord Buddha. He's God Himself, but He said nothing about God because he knew that "These rascals, they will not be able to... Let them stop meat-eating, that's all. Let them become sinless first of all; then they will be able..." So his main preaching was ahiṁsā, non-violence, no meat-eating. But still, they violate that. Jesus Christ also preached, "Thou shall not kill," but these rascals, all violating. And still, they are proclaiming as Christian and Buddhist. No religion will, real religion, will allow this kind of violence, no religion. It is cheating religion. Dharmaḥ kaitavaḥ: Any religion committing unnecessary violence to the animals, (it is) third-class. It is not religion, it is cheating. Simply cheating.
Prabhupāda: Yes, so that means he's first class, but he comes to the second-class platform or third-class platform to teach the third class, second class. He's first class. Son of God cannot be second class or third class. He must be first class. But . . . just like Lord Buddha. He's God himself, but he said nothing about God because he knew that, "These rascals, they will not be able to . . . let them stop meat-eating, that's all. Let them become sinless first of all; then they will be able . . ." So his main preaching was ''ahiṁsā'', nonviolence, no meat-eating. But still, they violate that. Jesus Christ also preached, "Thou shall not kill," but these rascals, all violating. And still, they are proclaiming as Christian and Buddhist. No religion will, real religion, will allow this kind of violence. No religion. It is cheating religion. ''Dharmaḥ kaitavaḥ.'' Any religion committing unnecessary violence to the animals, it is third class. It is not religion, it is cheating. Simply cheating.


Sudāmā: They believe it's very necessary.
Sudāmā: They believe it's very necessary.


Prabhupāda: They believe because they're rascals. Why necessary? We are not meat-eaters, why it is necessary? You have created necessary. Tongue. Tār madhye jihvā ati lobhamoy sudurmati: "The tongue is very greedy and it does not satisfy." Therefore they create their necessity. Civilized human, how they can eat meat? It is meant for the cats, dogs, tigers, not for human beings. So they're not human beings even. Actually they're animals. What religion animals may have? [break] ...Kṛṣṇa's craftsmanship, from one seed, a small, such a big tree has come, and within that seed there are the potency of demonstrating how variegatedness, nicely, within that seed. You produce such things? Make by chemical composition something and sow it and a tree will come out like this?
Prabhupāda: They believe because they're rascals. Why necessary? We are not meat-eaters. Why it is necessary? You have created necessary. Tongue. ''Tār madhye jihvā ati lobhamoy sudurmati'': "The tongue is very greedy, and it does not satisfy." Therefore they create their necessity. Civilized human, how they can eat meat? It is meant for the cats, dogs, tigers, not for human beings. So they're not human beings even. Actually they're animals. What religion animals may have? (break) . . . Kṛṣṇa's craftsmanship, from one seed, a small, such a big tree has come, and within that seed there are the potency of demonstrating how variegatedness, nicely, within that seed. You produce such things. Make by chemical composition something and sow it and a tree will come out like this.


Bali Mardana: We will have it next year.
Bali-mardana: We will have it next year.


Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Eh?


Bali Mardana: Next year we will have it.
Bali-mardana: Next year we will have it.


Prabhupāda: Next year?
Prabhupāda: Next year?


Bali Mardana: Yes, we are working on it.
Bali-mardana: Yes, we are working on it.


Prabhupāda: Who is working on it?
Prabhupāda: Who is working?


Bali Mardana: The scientists always say, "Next year, next year."
Bali-mardana: The scientists always say, "Next year, next year."


Prabhupāda: Next year. Then before next year coming, he will be finished.
Prabhupāda: Next year. Then before next year coming, he will be finished.
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Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Eh?


Sudāmā: They make, they can make a whole at... Just like this island, they can make out of plastic. Plastic coconut trees...
Sudāmā: They make . . . they can make a whole at . . . just like this island, they can make out of plastic. Plastic coconut trees . . .


Prabhupāda: How many they can make?
Prabhupāda: How many they can make?


Bali Mardana: They do not reproduce.
Devotee: Not very many.
 
Bali-mardana: They do not reproduce.


Sudāmā: They don't reproduce, though.
Sudāmā: They don't reproduce, though.


Prabhupāda: Simply they're rascals and who are bewildered by rascals, they are also rascals. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [[SB 2.3.19]] . He's an animal, and their work is appreciated by another animal. The so-called scientists' advancement of knowledge is appreciated by another rascal, not any intelligent man. We can appreciate, but when they're godless, we kick him out. Just see. This is the... Now, this is a solid thing. How it grows and how the water comes? Now it will not grow. Because (it is) detached. But if it remains attached, it will grow. So wherefrom the water is coming?
Prabhupāda: Simply they're rascals, and who are bewildered by rascals, they are also rascals. ''Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ'' ([[SB 2.3.19|SB 2.3.19]]). He's an animal, and their work is appreciated by another animal. The so-called scientists' advancement of knowledge is appreciated by another rascal, not any intelligent man. We can appreciate, but when they're godless, we kick him out. Just see. This is the . . . now, this is a solid thing. How it grows and how the water comes? Now it will not grow, because detached. But if it remains attached, it will grow. So wherefrom the water is coming?


Bali Mardana: From the ground.
Bali-mardana: From the ground.


Prabhupāda: And you'll find that it is well protected cell, and you find two pieces of cāpāṭi and one glass of water, ready. No need of cooking. Yes. You simply take. Take the water and take the pulp and eat pulp and the glass of water. That's all. Your meal is finished; luncheon is finished. You don't require.
Prabhupāda: And you'll find that it is well protected cell, and you find two pieces of ''cāpāṭi'' and one glass of water, ready. No need of cooking. Yes. You simply take. Take the water and take the pulp and eat pulp and the glass of water. That's all. Your meal is finished; luncheon is finished. You don't require.


Sudāmā: The atheist class of men, they are thinking "Well, we are watering. We are giving the water with the hose. We are giving water in the tree. Just like this man is cutting the lawn. So we are maintaining it." They are not thinking that Kṛṣṇa is giving the water.
Sudāmā: The atheist class of men, they are thinking, "Well, we are watering. We are giving the water with the hose. We are giving water in the tree, just like this man is cutting the lawn. So we are maintaining it." They are not thinking that Kṛṣṇa is giving the water.


Prabhupāda: Then wherefrom water comes? You rascal, wherefrom you got the water?
Prabhupāda: Then where from water got? You rascal, wherefrom you got the water?


Sudāmā: They say, "It's too much to think about."
Sudāmā: They say, "It's too much to think about."


Prabhupāda: That means rascal. That means rascal. ( japa ) [break] ...plastic group like this? Their life will be finished. [break]
Prabhupāda: That means rascal. That means rascal. Yes. (''japa'') (break) . . . plastic group like this? Their life will be finished. (break)


Devotee: ...in Time magazine yesterday, and the scientists are thinking now that man is his mind. They were talking about the brain.
Devotee: . . . in ''Time'' magazine yesterday, and the scientists are thinking now that man is his mind. They were talking about the brain.


Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
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Devotee: The soul leaves the body.
Devotee: The soul leaves the body.


Prabhupāda: Yes. Body is also material. Spirit soul, so long there is within the body, it works. You cut this tree and it will dry, it will not work. So long the soul is there, it is very luxuriant, very beautiful. ( japa ) [break] ...further?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Its known body is also material. Spirit soul, so long there is within the body, it works. You cut this tree and it will dry, it will not work. So long the soul is there, it is very luxuriant, very beautiful. (''japa'') (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . no.
 
Devotee: No.


Satsvarūpa: Decorations.
Satsvarūpa: Decorations.
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Satsvarūpa: These white pillars?
Satsvarūpa: These white pillars?


Prabhupāda: Yes... [break] ...and papaya is very good for breakfast. [break] ...better than Los Angeles.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . and papaya is very good for breakfast. (break) . . . better than Los Angeles.


Bali Mardana: Oh yes.
Bali-mardana: Oh, yes.


Sudāmā: You like it?
Sudāmā: You like it?


Prabhupāda: Oh yes.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.


Bali Mardana: Actually, Hawaii is supposed to be the center of... It's right between the East and the West, between Japan and U.S.A. and Australia.
Bali-mardana: Actually, Hawaii is supposed to be the center of . . . it's right between the East and the West, between Japan and USA and Australia.


Prabhupāda: Yes, marginal.
Prabhupāda: Yes, marginal.


Bali Mardana: It is a good headquarters for you.
Bali-mardana: It is a good headquarters for you.


Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.


Bali Mardana: For USA, 'cause then... It is very easy to come from the mainland.
Bali-mardana: For USA, 'cause then . . . it is very easy to come from the mainland.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes. So make a headquarter.
 
Bali-mardana: Yes.


Prabhupāda: Yes. So make a headquarters.
Sudāmā: We can make . . . we'll make a nice house for you on the land.


Bali Mardana: O.K.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Very nice. (''japa'') (break)


Sudāmā: We can make... We'll make a nice house for you on the land.
Sudāmā: Where?


Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Very nice. ( japa ) [break] Where? Here?
Prabhupāda: Here?


Sudāmā: Yes, they're cows, but they keep them very poorly, treat them very badly.
Sudāmā: Yes, they're cows, but they keep them very poorly, treat them very badly.
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Prabhupāda: Why? You keep cows nicely.
Prabhupāda: Why? You keep cows nicely.


Sudāmā: Yes.
Sudāmā: Yes, we can do that.


Prabhupāda: What is that?
Prabhupāda: What is that?


Jayaśrī: On Kauai they have tulasī plants and they have a cow.
Jayaśrī: On Kauai they have ''tulasī'' plants and they have a cow.
 
Sudāmā: There's some devotees on another island and they have tulasī plants and a cow there.


Prabhupāda: Very good. [break]
Sudāmā: There's some devotees on another island, and they have ''tulasī'' plants and a cow there.


Nitāi: Morning Walk... (end)
Prabhupāda: Very good. (break)


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His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



740115MW-HONOLULU - January 15, 1974 - 21:08 Minutes



Prabhupāda: . . . one poster.

Satsvarūpa: . . . select (break) . . . real leaders don't spoil life.

Bali-mardana: Yeah, I saw the plan. It's nice.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Bali-mardana: I saw the plans for it; it's very nice. (break)

Prabhupāda: Also clear water like this.

Bali-mardana: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Juhu beach is better than this.

Bali-mardana: Yeah, this is rocky. (break)

Prabhupāda: There are two millions types of vegetables and trees and plants. Two million. What these rascals know? The botanists might have seen thousands, but two millions there are. (laughs) (japa) So they are getting bitter melon?

Bali-mardana: They have got already.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice. Bitter melon, eggplant, maybe this mankachu. They prepare, they will be very nice combination. Yes. So buy one vegetable, you can eat whole thing. Yes.

Sudāmā: We will try and get some squash leaves, too.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice.

Sudāmā: I remember when we were here four years ago you had them.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Sudāmā: The stems. (break)

Satsvarūpa: . . . how's that, by the word.

Prabhupāda: Salt, salt, turned into sand. Salty water, silica. Sodium silicate. Salt is called sodium carbonate?

Bali-mardana: Yes, it is.

Prabhupāda: Eh? (break) From any earth you'll find some percentage of salt. (break) . . . for increasing population, but we rascals, we have made, "No, you cannot come here. You rot there." This is our civilization. India, China is overpopulated. So if people allow, just like Australia, Africa, and many islands.

Bali-mardana: Russia.

Prabhupāda: Russia is useless.

Bali-mardana: Oh, it's too cold.

Prabhupāda: Yes, it is for the Russians. But there are so many other islands like this.

Sudāmā: Tahiti.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Sudāmā: Tahiti. Also is . . . below here.

Bali-mardana: There are thousands of islands in the Pacific.

Prabhupāda: Just see. Let them come and live here. Produce foodstuffs, have cows, fruits, flowers, live peacefully, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa; but they won't allow. Americans, yes, they have got so much land. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā (ISO 1). Whatever is Kṛṣṇa's property, you can . . . you are Kṛṣṇa's son, you can utilize it. But one son is prohibiting, "No, no, you cannot enter here." This is the problem. The so-called nationalism is dangerous. Just see how nice flowers, fruits, plant. Everything is there, complete.

pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ
pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate
pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya
pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate
(ISO Invocation)

There is no question of overpopulation at all. These rascals have created like that. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. They're coming from our temple?

Sudāmā: Yes. Jayaśrī is here also.

Prabhupāda: Oh. (japa) (aside) Thank you. Jayaśrī joined when I first came here?

Sudāmā: Yes.

Prabhupāda: (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Feeling alright? I think you joined when I first came here?

Jayaśrī: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Thank you. (japa) (break) . . . savitā sakala-grahāṇām. Gāyatrī mantra is worshiping the sun. Yac cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ rājā samasta-sura-mūrtir aśeṣa-tejāḥ (Bs. 5.52), unlimitedly powerful, unlimitedly heated. Aśeṣa. How much heat is there, your brain cannot accommodate. And therefore it is said, aśeṣa-tejāḥ: "without any limit." This is God's creation. Where is the scientist who can create a small sun? How this water is going there? Where is the pipe? You rascal, if you want to pump your water in the skyscraper building, you require pumping and pipe and so many things. But where is the pipe? And where is the pumping station or pumping machine? But you'll find so much water. How the water is transferred there? What is their explanation? They'll use simply some bogus jugglery of words, that's all. But produce it, without pipe, without pump. Let the water go up, up. "Yes, we are trying. In future we shall do it." And what about of the present? Who is that scientist?

Bali-mardana: They say it is an accident, that the world is going to the . . .

Prabhupāda: They are rascals. Therefore I always say, "Kick them on their face with your shoes, so-called scientists." "Accident." There is no question of accident. Mūḍha. Therefore they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā as mūḍhā, rascals, narādhama. Narādhama, the lowest of the mankind. Because they got this opportunity to appreciate the work of Kṛṣṇa, but they avoid it, they are narādhama. No, they are so big, big graduate, scientists, and . . ." māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ (BG 7.15). Their real knowledge is taken away, simply childish proposing something, so-called scientists. Real knowledge is to see everywhere Kṛṣṇa, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram (BG 9.10), the supervision of Kṛṣṇa. That is real knowledge. Not only to appreciate, but to explain it also. Kaniṣṭha-adhikārī will appreciate, but cannot explain how it is being done. Madhyama-adhikārī will explain. That is preacher. And uttama-adhikārī, he thinks that everyone knows, everyone knows. He does not see that somebody knows, somebody does not know. He sees everyone knows. That is uttama-adhikārī. He does not make any distinction.

Bali-mardana: He does not preach.

Prabhupāda: Eh? No. He's paramahaṁsa. Does not preach . . . (indistinct) . . . he preaches, but he comes to the second-class platform. The first-class platform means he does not make any distinction between devotee and nondevotee. He sees everyone is engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service.

Bali-mardana: Does he consciously come from the first class to the second class?

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Just like Jesus Christ said that there was many things to be said by, by . . .

Bali-mardana: "There are many things, but I can . . . but you cannot . . . that I have to tell you, but you cannot bear them now."

Prabhupāda: Yes, so that means he's first class, but he comes to the second-class platform or third-class platform to teach the third class, second class. He's first class. Son of God cannot be second class or third class. He must be first class. But . . . just like Lord Buddha. He's God himself, but he said nothing about God because he knew that, "These rascals, they will not be able to . . . let them stop meat-eating, that's all. Let them become sinless first of all; then they will be able . . ." So his main preaching was ahiṁsā, nonviolence, no meat-eating. But still, they violate that. Jesus Christ also preached, "Thou shall not kill," but these rascals, all violating. And still, they are proclaiming as Christian and Buddhist. No religion will, real religion, will allow this kind of violence. No religion. It is cheating religion. Dharmaḥ kaitavaḥ. Any religion committing unnecessary violence to the animals, it is third class. It is not religion, it is cheating. Simply cheating.

Sudāmā: They believe it's very necessary.

Prabhupāda: They believe because they're rascals. Why necessary? We are not meat-eaters. Why it is necessary? You have created necessary. Tongue. Tār madhye jihvā ati lobhamoy sudurmati: "The tongue is very greedy, and it does not satisfy." Therefore they create their necessity. Civilized human, how they can eat meat? It is meant for the cats, dogs, tigers, not for human beings. So they're not human beings even. Actually they're animals. What religion animals may have? (break) . . . Kṛṣṇa's craftsmanship, from one seed, a small, such a big tree has come, and within that seed there are the potency of demonstrating how variegatedness, nicely, within that seed. You produce such things. Make by chemical composition something and sow it and a tree will come out like this.

Bali-mardana: We will have it next year.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Bali-mardana: Next year we will have it.

Prabhupāda: Next year?

Bali-mardana: Yes, we are working on it.

Prabhupāda: Who is working?

Bali-mardana: The scientists always say, "Next year, next year."

Prabhupāda: Next year. Then before next year coming, he will be finished.

Sudāmā: They're producing large trees out of plastic.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Sudāmā: They make . . . they can make a whole at . . . just like this island, they can make out of plastic. Plastic coconut trees . . .

Prabhupāda: How many they can make?

Devotee: Not very many.

Bali-mardana: They do not reproduce.

Sudāmā: They don't reproduce, though.

Prabhupāda: Simply they're rascals, and who are bewildered by rascals, they are also rascals. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). He's an animal, and their work is appreciated by another animal. The so-called scientists' advancement of knowledge is appreciated by another rascal, not any intelligent man. We can appreciate, but when they're godless, we kick him out. Just see. This is the . . . now, this is a solid thing. How it grows and how the water comes? Now it will not grow, because detached. But if it remains attached, it will grow. So wherefrom the water is coming?

Bali-mardana: From the ground.

Prabhupāda: And you'll find that it is well protected cell, and you find two pieces of cāpāṭi and one glass of water, ready. No need of cooking. Yes. You simply take. Take the water and take the pulp and eat pulp and the glass of water. That's all. Your meal is finished; luncheon is finished. You don't require.

Sudāmā: The atheist class of men, they are thinking, "Well, we are watering. We are giving the water with the hose. We are giving water in the tree, just like this man is cutting the lawn. So we are maintaining it." They are not thinking that Kṛṣṇa is giving the water.

Prabhupāda: Then where from water got? You rascal, wherefrom you got the water?

Sudāmā: They say, "It's too much to think about."

Prabhupāda: That means rascal. That means rascal. Yes. (japa) (break) . . . plastic group like this? Their life will be finished. (break)

Devotee: . . . in Time magazine yesterday, and the scientists are thinking now that man is his mind. They were talking about the brain.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Devotee: That if man only knew his mind he would know himself. What is actually the brain? And the mind?

Prabhupāda: Mind, that is also matter, material.

Devotee: They're saying that the mind or the brain is the source of man's consciousness.

Prabhupāda: No. Brain is the instrument for expressing consciousness. Otherwise, when the man is dead, why the brain does not work? Do you follow?

Devotee: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Why the brain work stops?

Devotee: The soul leaves the body.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Its known body is also material. Spirit soul, so long there is within the body, it works. You cut this tree and it will dry, it will not work. So long the soul is there, it is very luxuriant, very beautiful. (japa) (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . no.

Satsvarūpa: Decorations.

Prabhupāda: Decoration?

Satsvarūpa: These white pillars?

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . and papaya is very good for breakfast. (break) . . . better than Los Angeles.

Bali-mardana: Oh, yes.

Sudāmā: You like it?

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.

Bali-mardana: Actually, Hawaii is supposed to be the center of . . . it's right between the East and the West, between Japan and USA and Australia.

Prabhupāda: Yes, marginal.

Bali-mardana: It is a good headquarters for you.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bali-mardana: For USA, 'cause then . . . it is very easy to come from the mainland.

Prabhupāda: Yes. So make a headquarter.

Bali-mardana: Yes.

Sudāmā: We can make . . . we'll make a nice house for you on the land.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Very nice. (japa) (break)

Sudāmā: Where?

Prabhupāda: Here?

Sudāmā: Yes, they're cows, but they keep them very poorly, treat them very badly.

Prabhupāda: Why? You keep cows nicely.

Sudāmā: Yes, we can do that.

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Jayaśrī: On Kauai they have tulasī plants and they have a cow.

Sudāmā: There's some devotees on another island, and they have tulasī plants and a cow there.

Prabhupāda: Very good. (break)

Nitāi: Morning Walk . . . (break) (end)