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Prabhupāda: We are very glad to receive Professor O'Connell in this auspicious meeting. And it will be very nice, because he's studying the process of Caitanya philosophy. And this ceremony is one of the functions in devotional service. We have got a big book... I think, Professor O'Connell, you have secured that book, Hari-bhakti-vilāsa. Have you secured that book?


O'Connell: I have the book. I'm yet to be a professor or even get my degree beyond the... I have the book.
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Prabhupāda: That's all right. So that Hari-bhakti-vilāsa is written by Sanātana Gosvāmī in the name of Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī. Because Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī was a very young boy, and Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī, they were very elderly. But because all the six Gosvāmīs happened to be direct disciples of Lord Caitanya, so Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, although very young, he was treated as younger brother of Sanātana Gosvāmī. So this book was actually written by Sanātana Gosvāmī, but it was published or dedicated to Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī. In this book the rules and regulation of the Vaiṣṇavas are described—of the brahmacārīs, the students; of the gṛhasthas, householders; vānaprastha, retired men; and sannyāsī, renounced order—how gṛhastha should live, how brahmacārī should live, how vānaprastha should live, how sannyāsīs should live. All the... It is called Vaiṣṇava smṛti.


Śruti and smṛti. Śruti means Vedic literature, which is traditionally, from time immemorial, it is learned simply by hearing from authoritative sources. Just like in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the First Canto, first verse, it is said, tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye. The original authority of Vedic literature, Lord Brahma. He was instructed about Vedic knowledge by Lord Kṛṣṇa. And he imparted Vedic knowledge to the world. So he was the first creature, living creature, after creation. So there was nobody to give him initiation because he is the only living creature at that time. So the Lord Himself initiated. How He initiated? Hṛdā, through the heart. Because He is situated in everyone's heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [[BG 18.61]] . He is, the Lord is seated in everyone's heart. So he initiated. Tene brahma hṛdā. Hṛdā means "through the heart." And that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, that buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam, "I give instruction, buddhi-yogam, the yoga principle of intelligence or bhakti-yoga. " Whom? Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [[BG 18.61]] . One who is engaged with love and affection in devotional service, to him He gives instruction.  
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Not to all. Samo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu [[BG 9 .29]] . God is equal to everyone. That is a fact. So far eating, sleeping, mating, these four principles are concerned, God is giving everyone. Just like government provides maintenance, provision, even in the prison life. That is not very important thing for government. But education department or other higher cultural department, that is not for all. Similarly, although God is equal to everyone, he's especially inclined to the devotees. Ye tu bhajanti māṁ prītyā teṣu te mayi. Those who are engaged in devotional service, He's specially inclined to him. And to him he gives instruction from within. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām [[BG 9 .29]] . Satata means always. Twenty-four hours, one who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to him He gives instruction from within because he's qualified. Others, instruction He's giving, but other is not obeying the instruction. Just like a man is ready to commit some sinful activities. He thinks, "Shall I do it?" From within, "No, no. Don't do it." Again he says, "Why not? Let me do it." In this way, when he insists, oh, then He says, "All right, do it. Do it." So the word that "Nothing can happen without the sanction of God," that is a fact. Nobody can act anything... Then the question is why a man acts sinfully? Why...? Does God give sanction for sinful action? Yes. When one insists that "I shall do it." "All right, do it. And suffer the consequences."


So this purification process, according to Vaiṣṇava smṛti, ādau gurvāśrayaṁ tato sad-dharma-pṛcchāt sādhu mārgāṇugamanam. In the beginning one has to accept a spiritual master, bona fide spiritual master. And who is bona fide spiritual master? That is also described in several Vedic scriptures. In the Upaniṣad it is said, śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [MU 1.2.12] . One who has come down in disciplic succession and as a result of such authorized succession one has become fully, firmly convinced in Brahman. Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān, the same thing. Brahma-niṣṭham. He is transcendentally situated. So these things are there. And in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also it is said that who requires a spiritual master? That is also said. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta [[SB 11.3.21]] . One, let one surrender himself unto the spiritual master. Who is that one? Jijñāsuḥ. One who is inquisitive. What about inquisitiveness? Jijñā... śreya uttamam. The highest perfectional stage of life. If one is inclined what is transcendental life, what is spiritual life, what is perfection of life, if one is inclined to this subject matter, for him there is necessity of approaching a bona fide spiritual master.
Prabhupāda: We are very glad to receive Professor O'Connell in this auspicious meeting. And it will be very nice, because he's studying the process of Caitanya philosophy. And this ceremony is one of the function in devotional service. We have got a big book . . . I think, Professor O'Connell, you have secured that book, ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa''. Have you secured that book?


To accept a spiritual master is not a hobby. "Because everyone accepts some spiritual master, let me have also a spiritual master without following the instruction, without following the principles." That sort of acceptance of spiritual master is not required. He doesn't require to accept a spiritual master who is not inquisitive on transcendental subject matter. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam. Uttamam means... Ut means surpassing, and tamam means the darkness. This material world is darkness. And one who has transcended the darkness region and has come to the region of light... Jyotir gamaḥ tamasa mā, "Don't remain in this darkness. Go to the light." So that is called uttamam. Uttamam. Udgata tamaṁ yasmād. So questions, jijñāsuḥ, inquisitive, of transcendental matter. There are many things to inquire. Śrotavyādīni rājan. There is... in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam... There are many subject matter for inquiry and hearing. But one who is interested in hearing about the transcendental subject matter, ramante yoginaḥ anante [[CC Madhya 9.29]] , the unlimited, infinite subject matter, for him a spiritual master is needed. Not for all. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [[CC Madhya 9.29]] .  
O'Connell: I have the book. I'm yet to be a professor or even get my degree beyond the . . . I have the book.


And who is spiritual master? That is also stated. Śābde pare ca niṣṇātam. Śābde means the Vedic śruti, śruti. This is called śābda-brahma. One who has learned both śruti and smṛti. Śruti means Vedas, and smṛti means books derived from Vedic knowledge. That is called smṛti. And Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī says in his Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, śruti smṛti...  
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So that ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa'' is written by Sanātana Gosvāmī in the name of Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī. Because Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī was very young boy, and Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī, they were very elderly. But because all the six Gosvāmīns happened to be direct disciples of Lord Caitanya, so Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, although very young, he was treated as younger brother of Sanātana Gosvāmī. So this book was actually written by Sanātana Gosvāmī, but it was published, or dedicated to, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī.  


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In this book the rules and regulation of the Vaiṣṇavas are described—of the ''brahmacārīs'', the students; of the ''gṛhasthas'', householders; ''vānaprastha'', retired men; and ''sannyāsī'', renounced order—how ''gṛhastha'' should live, how ''brahmacārī'' should live, how ''vānaprastha'' should live, how ''sannyāsī'' should live. All the . . . it is called Vaiṣṇava ''smṛti''.
śruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-<br />
pāñcarātriki-vidhiṁ vinā<br />
aikāntikī harer bhaktir<br />
utpātāyaiva kalpate<br />
[Brs. 1.2.101] </div>


''Śruti'' and ''smṛti''. ''Śruti'' means Vedic literature, which is traditionally, from time immemorial, it is learned simply by hearing from authoritative sources. Just like in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' in the First Canto, first verse, it is said, ''tene brahma hṛdā Adi-kavaye'' ([[SB 1.1.1]]). The original authority of Vedic literature, Lord Brahmā, he was instructed about Vedic knowledge by Lord Kṛṣṇa. And he imparted Vedic knowledge to the world. So he was the first creature, living creature, after creation. So there was nobody to give him initiation, because he is the only living creature at that time. So the Lord Himself initiated.


If one poses himself a great devotee, but does not follow the principles of śruti, smṛti, purāṇa, and Nārada-pañcarātra, and the rules and regulation thereof, then his presentation as great devotee is simply disturbance. According to this Hari-bhakti-vilāsa and according to the direction of the Gosvāmīs in the Lord Caitanya's line, if one does not follow the principles of Vedas, principles of the smṛti or corollaries, Vedic literature... Just like Bhagavad-gītā is called smṛti and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Mahā-purāṇa. So śruti, smṛti, purāṇādi [Brs. 1.2.101] , and pāñcarātriki-vidhim, Nārada-pañcarātra. Without following the rules and regulation of these scriptures, if one poses himself as devotee of Kṛṣṇa, aikāntikī harer bhaktiḥ-harer means Lord, bhakti, devotional service—he is a disturbance to the society.  
How He initiated? ''Hṛdā'', through the heart. Because He is situated in everyone's heart. ''Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati'' ([[BG 18.61 (1972)|BG 18.61]]). He is . . . the Lord is seated in everyone's heart. So he initiated. ''Tene brahma hṛdā''. ''Hṛdā'' means "through the heart." And that is also confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', that ''buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam'': "I give instruction, ''buddhi-yogam'', the ''yoga'' principle of intelligence, or ''bhakti-yoga''." Whom? ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)|BG 10.10]]): One who is engaged with love and affection in devotional service, to him He gives instruction. Not to all. ''Samo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu'' ([[BG 9.29 (1972)|BG 9.29]]). God is equal to everyone.  


So the general rule is that if one is inquisitive... Just as we follow in our, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness society we ask everyone to come. We don't make any imposition that with such and such qualification one can sit here or hear. No. All these students who are initiated, they know we don't impose anything. "You must be such and such, you must be such an such educated, you must be Hindu or you must be brāhmaṇa, or you must be white or black..." No such restriction. Anyone. This is universal. Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, everyone is welcome. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. And hear something from Bhagavad-gītā. So following this principle, if one is a little more interested, then he offers himself. "Swamijī, I shall be initiated." So if I see that that boy or that girl is sincere and is following, then we say that "You have to follow these four principles." What are these? Niṣiddhācāra. These are injunction by Lord Caitanya, that no illicit sex life, no intoxication, no, I mean to say, nonvegetarian dishes, and no gambling. These four principles. So they agree, and he is given initiation for chanting beads, Hare Kṛṣṇa, at least sixteen rounds daily. So if one follows the rules and regulation rigidly...  
That is a fact. So far eating, sleeping, mating, these four principles are concerned, God is giving everyone. Just like government provides maintenance, provision, even in the prison life. That is not very important thing for government. But education department or other higher cultural department, that is not for all. Similarly, although God is equal to everyone, he's especially inclined to the devotees. ''Ye tu bhajanti māṁ prītyā teṣu te mayi'' ([[BG 9.29 (1972)|BG 9.29]]).  


And the next initiation is this dvijatvam. Dvijatvam means twice-born. Twice-born one becomes immediately when he approaches a spiritual master, but the sacred thread is offered as the symbol that he has a spiritual master. Just like there is some phase, there is some degree. So this sacred thread is offered after one year. One who has followed strictly the rules and regulation and chanted sixteen rounds Hare Kṛṣṇa at least, so he is given the second chance. The third chance is to offer renunciation. If he wants to completely in the service of the Lord, there is sannyāsa. Just like the other day we were discussing, anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ, sa sannyāsī [[BG 6.1]] . Of course, these are formal regulative principles. Real life is within, how much one is sincere in the service of the Lord. So according to rigid class of Hindus, this sacred thread ceremony, they say it is to be offered only to the person who are born in the brāhmaṇa family. Perhaps you have studied all these things while you were in India. But Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam says no. There is no question of birthright that because one is born in the brāhmaṇa family, therefore he can become brāhmaṇa.  
Those who are engaged in devotional service, He's specially inclined to him. And to him He gives instruction from within. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)|BG 10.10]]). ''Satata'' means always. Twenty-four hours, one who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to him He gives instruction from within, because he's qualified. Others, instruction He's giving, but other is not obeying the instruction.  


Of course, the Vedic regulation is that unless one is born by a brāhmaṇa father, he cannot be initiated according to the Vedic regulation. But to take birth in the brāhmaṇa family, that is now oblivion, at the present moment. Because in the brāhmaṇa family formerly, not only in the brāhmaṇa; kṣatriya family and vaiśya family also, there was a garbhādhāna ceremony. Garbhādhāna ceremony means when the father goes to beget a child, there is a ceremony like this. It is not a secret service. It is open secret that "Today he is going to have sex life with his wife for begetting a nice child." It is not sexual enjoyment. It is to beget a nice child. So there is a ceremony which is called garbhādhāna ceremony, pregnancy ceremony. So at the present moment this ceremony is not observed. Even in rigid families they have already given up. And the śāstra injunction is, as soon as one gives up this ceremony, garbhādhāna ceremony, he at once falls down to the classification of a śūdra. The whole family, no more. Because who knows by whom this child is born? Nobody knows whether he's a brāhmaṇa's son or a śūdra's son or a rascal's son or a paṇḍita's son. Because there is so much freedom.  
Just like a man is ready to commit some sinful activities. He thinks, "Shall I do it?" From within, "N,. don't do it." Again he says, "Why not? Let me do it." In this way, when he insists, oh, then He says: "All right, do it. Do it." So the word that, "Nothing can happen without the sanction of God," that is a fact. Nobody can act anything . . . then the question is why a man acts sinfully? So why does God give sanction for sinful action? Yes. When one insists that, "I shall do it," "All right, do it. And suffer the consequences."


So kalau śūdra-sambhava. Therefore the general enunciation is that in this age everyone has to be accepted as born- śūdra. But this principle is accepted always, by birth everyone is śūdra. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Everyone is born śūdra. Then? Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Dvijaḥ means this saṁskāra. This saṁskāra... By gradual process of cultivation of knowledge, of behavior, of rules and regulations, one becomes a dvijaḥ. Dvijaḥ means twice-born. The first birth is by the father and mother, and the second birth is by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. At that time, the second birth means mother is the Vedic knowledge and father is the spiritual master. So Sanātana Gosvāmī says, because he has enunciated this rule for the so-called rigid brāhmaṇas, they say, "Without taking birth in a brāhmaṇa family there is no possibility of one's becoming a brāhmaṇa. " But Bhagavad-gītā does not say like that. Bhagavad-gītā says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [[BG 4.13]] . "These four principles of caste— brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra —I have created that division." Now it is creation of God. Nobody can nullify it.  
So this purification process, according to Vaiṣṇava ''smṛti'', ''ādau gurvāśrayaṁ tato sad-dharma-pṛcchāt sādhu mārgāṇugamanam'' (''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu'' 1.1.74). In the beginning one has to accept a spiritual master, bona fide spiritual master. And who is bona fide spiritual master? That is also described in several Vedic scripture. In the ''Upaniṣad'' it is said, ''śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham'' (MU 1.2.12): One who has come down in disciplic succession and as a result of such authorized succession one has become fully, firmly convinced in Brahman. Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān, the same thing. ''Brahma-niṣṭham''. He is transcendentally situated. So these things are there.  


So that division is everywhere. Not only in the India or Hindu society or... No. Everywhere. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ, by classification of quality and work. Here also the same thing is there. And Śrīmad-Bhāgavata also confirms this by Nārada Muni, when he describes about these four principles of social division, he says, yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syād varṇābhivyañjakam. Now there is classification who is a brāhmaṇa, who is a kṣatriya, who is a vaiśya, the qualities. Because according to quality, the divisions shall be there. Now in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find the brāhmaṇa's quality, the vaiśya's quality, the śūdra's quality. So Bhāgavata also confirms that yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syāt. The symptoms of a person qualifying himself to become a brāhmaṇa or kṣatriya or vaiśya or śūdra, that is the main principle. If that symptom is found elsewhere, he should be accepted in that classification. Suppose a man is born in a śūdra family or less than a śūdra family, but if his qualities are just like brāhmaṇa, then he should be accepted as brāhmaṇa. That is Bhāgavata's...  
And in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' also it is said that who requires a spiritual master. That is also said. ''Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta'' ([[SB 11.3.21]]). One . . . let one surrender himself unto the spiritual master. Who is that one? ''Jijñāsuḥ''. One who is inquisitive. What about inquisitiveness? ''Jijñā'' . . . ''śreya uttamam''. The highest perfectional stage of life. If one is inclined what is transcendental life, what is spiritual life, what is perfection of life, if one is inclined to this subject matter, for him there is necessity of approaching a bona fide spiritual master.


So this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is a manufacturing process of brāhmaṇa, Vaiṣṇava. Vaiṣṇava means surpassing the brahminical stage. Brahma jānātīti brāhmaṇaḥ. One who has realized Brahman, he is called brāhmaṇa. After realization of Brahman, then realization of Paramātmā, then realization of Bhagavān. And one who comes to the stage of understanding Bhagavān, the Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu, he is called Vaiṣṇava. A Vaiṣṇava means he is already a brāhmaṇa. Because in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said,
To accept a spiritual master is not a hobby: "Because everyone accepts some spiritual master, let me have also a spiritual master, without following the instruction, without following the principle." That sort of acceptance of spiritual master is not required. He doesn't require to accept a spiritual master who is not inquisitive on transcendental subject matter. ''Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam'' ([[SB 11.3.21]]).  


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''Uttamam'' means . . . ''ut'' means surpassing, and ''tamam'' means the darkness. This material world is darkness. And one who has transcended the darkness region and has come to the region of light . . . ''jyotir gamaḥ tamasa mā'', "Don't remain in this darkness. Go to the light." So that is called ''uttamam''. ''Uttamam''. ''Udgata tamaṁ yasmād''.  
brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā<br />
na śocati na kāṅkṣati<br />
samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu<br />
mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām<br />
[[BG 18.54]] </div>


So questions, ''jijñāsuḥ'', inquisitive, of transcendental matter. There are many things to inquire. ''Śrotavyādīni rājan'' ([[SB 2.1.2]]), there is, in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. There are many subject matter for inquiry and hearing. But one who is interested in hearing about the transcendental subject matter, ''ramante yoginaḥ anante'' ([[CC Madhya 9.29]]), the unlimited, infinite subject matter, for him a spiritual master is needed. Not for all. ''Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam'' ([[SB 11.3.21]]). And who is spiritual master? That is also stated. ''Śābde pare ca niṣṇātam''. ''Śābde'' means the Vedic ''śruti'', ''śruti''. This is called ''śābda-brahma''. One who has learned both ''śruti'' and ''smṛti''. ''Śruti'' means ''Vedas'', and ''smṛti'' means books derived from Vedic knowledge. That is called ''smṛti''. And Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī says in his ''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu that śruti smṛti'' . . .


The devotional service begins when one has already realized Brahman. Because to whom rendering devotional service? To the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavān. And Bhagavān is the last word in the Absolute Truth.  
:''śruti-smṛti-purāṇAdi-''
:''pāñcarātriki-vidhiṁ vinā''
:''aikāntikī harer bhaktir''
:''utpātāyaiva kalpate''
:(Brs. 1.2.101)


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If one poses himself a great devotee but does not follow the principles of ''śruti'', ''smṛti'', ''purāṇa'' and ''Nārada Pañcarātra'', and the rules and regulation thereof, then his presentation as great devotee is simply disturbance.  
vadanti tat tattva-vidas<br />
tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam<br />
brahmeti paramātmeti<br />
bhagavān iti śabdyate<br />
[[SB 1.2.11]] </div>


According to this ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa'' and according to the direction of the Gosvāmīs in the Lord Caitanya's line, if one does not follow the principles of ''Vedas'', principles of the ''smṛti'' or corollaries, Vedic literature . . . just like ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is called ''smṛti'', and ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', ''Mahā-purāṇa''.


The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases. First impersonal Brahman realization, the localized Paramātmā realization, and then the last word is to realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā.  
So ''śruti'', ''smṛti'', ''purāṇAdi'', and ''pāñcarātriki-vidhim'', ''Nārada Pañcarātra''. Without following the rules and regulation of these scriptures, if one poses himself as devotee of Kṛṣṇa, ''aikāntikī harer bhaktiḥ''—''harer'' means Lord; ''bhakti'', devotional service—he is disturbance to the society.


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So the general rule is that if one is inquisitive . . . just as we follow in our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness Society, we ask everyone to come. We don't make any imposition that with such-and-such qualification one can sit here or hear. No.  
bahūnāṁ janmanām ante<br />
jñānavān māṁ prapadyate<br />
vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti<br />
sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ<br />
[[BG 7.19]] </div>


All these students who are initiated, they know we don't impose anything, "You must be such and such," "You must be such and such educated," "You must be Hindu" or "You must be ''Brahmin''" or "You must be white" or "black . . ." No such restriction. Anyone. This is universal. Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, everyone is welcome. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. And hear something from ''Bhagavad-gītā''.


One who has accepted that Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa is Vāsudeva. So mahātmā, he is the greatest soul. And Bhāgavata confirms,
So following this principle, if one is a little more interested, then he offers himself, "Swāmījī, I shall be initiated." So if I see that that boy or that girl is sincere and is following, then we say that, "You have to follow these four principles." What are these? ''Niṣiddhācāra''. These are injunction by Lord Caitanya, that no illicit sex life, no intoxication, no, I mean to say, non-vegetarian dishes and no gambling. These four principles. So they agree, and he is given initiation for chanting beads, Hare Kṛṣṇa, at least sixteen rounds daily.  


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So if one follows the rules and regulation rigidly . . . and the next initiation is this ''dvijatvam''. ''Dvijatvam'' means twice-born. Twice-born one becomes immediately when he approaches a spiritual master, but the sacred thread is offered as the symbol that he has a spiritual master. Just like there is some vast, there is some degree. So this sacred thread is offered after one year.  
vāsudeve bhagavati<br />
bhakti-yogaḥ-prayojitaḥ<br />
janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ<br />
jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam<br />
[[SB 1.2.7]] </div>


One who has followed strictly the rules and regulation and chanted sixteen rounds Hare Kṛṣṇa at least, so he is given the second chance. The third chance is to offer renunciation. If he wants to completely in the service of the Lord, there is ''sannyāsa''. Just the other day we were discussing, ''anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ'', ''sa sannyāsī''  ([[BG 6.1 (1972)|BG 6.1]]). Of course, these are formal regulative principles. Real life is within: how much one is sincere in the service of the Lord.


If one is engaged in the transcendental loving service to Vāsudeva, then automatically the stage of Brahman realization automatically becomes revealed. So this ceremony is just according to the strict principles of Vaiṣṇava smṛti. And today... And Sanātana Gosvāmī confirms this, that yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti kāṁsyaṁ rasa-vidhānataḥ. By chemical process, one can turn the bell metal into gold. That is alchemistry, that bell metal, if it is treated with mercury properly, then it can become gold. Formerly people knew it. So the example is given that as bell metal, a base metal, can be turned into gold by a chemical process, similarly... (break—end)
So according to rigid class of Hindus, this sacred thread ceremony, they say it is to be offered only to the person who are born in the ''Brahmin'' family. Perhaps you have studied all these things while you were in India. But ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' says no. There is no question of birthright, that because one is born in the ''Brahmin'' family, therefore he can become a ''Brahmin''. Of course, the Vedic regulation is that unless one is born by a ''Brahmin'' father, he cannot be initiated according to the Vedic regulation.  


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But to take birth in the ''Brahmin'' family, that is now oblivion at the present moment. Because in the ''Brahmin'' family formerly—not only in the ''Brahmin'' family; ''kṣatriya'' family and ''vaiśya'' family also—there was a ''garbhādhāna'' ceremony. ''Garbhādhāna'' ceremony means when the father goes to beget a child, there is a ceremony like this. It is not a secret service. It is open secret, that "Today he is going to have sex life with his wife for begetting a nice child." It is not sexual enjoyment; it is to beget a nice child. So then there is a ceremony which is called ''garbhādhāna'' ceremony, pregnancy ceremony.
 
So at the present moment this ceremony is not observed. Even in rigid families they have already given up. And the ''śāstra'' injunction is, as soon as one gives up this ceremony, ''garbhādhāna'' ceremony, he at once falls down to the classification of a ''śūdra''. The whole family, no more. Because who knows by whom this child is born? Nobody knows whether he's a ''Brahmin's'' son or a ''śūdra's'' son or a rascal's son or a ''paṇḍita's'' son. Because there is so much freedom.
 
So ''kalau śūdra-sambhava''. Therefore the general enunciation is that in this age everyone has to be accepted as born ''śūdra''. But this principle is accepted always. By birth everyone is ''śūdra''. ''Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ''. Everyone is born ''śūdra''. Then? ''Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ''. ''Dvijaḥ'' means this ''saṁskāra''. This ''saṁskāra'' . . . by gradual process of cultivation of knowledge, of behavior, of rules and regulations, one becomes a ''dvijaḥ''. ''Dvijaḥ'' means twice-born. The first birth is by the father and mother, and the second birth is by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. At that time, second birth means mother is the Vedic knowledge and father is the spiritual master.
 
So Sanātana Gosvāmī says, because he has enunciated this rule for the so-called rigid ''Brahmins'', they say, "Without taking birth in a ''Brahmin'' family there is no possibility of one's becoming a ''Brahmin''." But ''Bhagavad-gītā'' does not say like that. ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). "These four principles of caste—''Brāhmaṇa'', ''kṣatriya'', ''vaiśya'', ''śūdra''—I have created that division." Now, it is creation of God. Nobody can nullify it.
 
So that division is everywhere. Not only in India or Hindu society or . . . no. Everywhere. ''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'': by classification of quality and work. Here also the same thing is there. And ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavata'' also confirms this by Nārada Muni, when he describes about these four principles of social division, he says, ''yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syād varṇābhivyañjakam'' ([[SB 7.11.35]]). Now there is classification who is a ''Brahmin'', who is a ''kṣatriya'', who is a ''vaiśya'', the qualities. Because according to quality, the divisions shall be there. Now in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you'll find the Brahmin's quality, the ''vaiśya's'' quality, the ''śūdra's'' quality.
 
So ''Bhāgavata'' also confirms that ''yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syāt''. The symptoms of a person qualifying himself to become a ''Brahmin'' or ''kṣatriya'' or ''vaiśya'' or ''śūdra'', that is the main principle. If that symptom is found elsewhere, he should be accepted in that classification. Suppose a man is born in a ''śūdra'' family or less than a ''śūdra'' family, but if his qualities are just like ''Brahmin'', then he should be accepted as ''Brahmin''. That is ''Bhāgavata's'' . . .
 
So this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is a manufacturing process of ''Brahmin'', Vaiṣṇava. Vaiṣṇava means surpassing the Brahminical stage. ''Brahma jānātī iti brāhmaṇaḥ''. One who has realized Brahman, he is called ''Brahmin''. After realization of Brahman, then realization of Paramātmā, then realization of Bhagavān.
 
And one who comes to the stage of understanding Bhagavān, the Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu, he is called Vaiṣṇava. A Vaiṣṇava means he is already a ''Brahmin''. Because in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said:
 
:''brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā''
:''na śocati na kāṅkṣati''
:''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu''
:''mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām''
:([[BG 18.54 (1972)|BG 18.54]])
 
The devotional service begins when one has already realized Brahman. Because to whom rendering devotional service? To the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavān. And Bhagavān is the last word in the Absolute Truth.
 
:''vadanti tat tattva-vidas''
:''tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam''
:''brahmeti paramātmeti''
:''bhagavān iti śabdyate''
:([[SB 1.2.11]])
 
The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases: first impersonal Brahman realization, then localized Paramātmā realization, and then the last word is to realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And that is also confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'':
 
:''bahūnāṁ janmanām ante''
:''jñānavān māṁ prapadyate''
:''vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti''
:''sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ''
:([[BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]])
 
One who has accepted that Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa—Kṛṣṇa is Vāsudeva—''sa mahātm''ā, he is the greatest soul. And ''Bhāgavata'' confirms:
 
:''vāsudeve bhagavati''
:''bhakti-yogaḥ-prayojitaḥ''
:j''anayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ''
:j''ñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam''
:([[SB 1.2.7]])
 
If one is engaged in the transcendental loving service to Vāsudeva, then automatically the stage of Brahman realization automatically becomes revealed.
 
So this ceremony is just according to the strict principle of Vaiṣṇava ''smṛti''. And today . . . and Sanātana Gosvāmī confirms this, that ''yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti kāṁsyaṁ rasa-vidhānataḥ'' (''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa'' 2.12). By chemical process, one can turn the bell metal into gold. That is alchemistry, that bell metal, if it is treated with mercury properly, then it can become gold. Formerly people knew it. So the example is given that as bell metal, a base metal, can be turned into gold by a chemical process, similarly, ''yathā'' . . . (break) (end)

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His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



680506IN-BOSTON - May 06, 1968 - 28:28 Minutes



Prabhupāda: We are very glad to receive Professor O'Connell in this auspicious meeting. And it will be very nice, because he's studying the process of Caitanya philosophy. And this ceremony is one of the function in devotional service. We have got a big book . . . I think, Professor O'Connell, you have secured that book, Hari-bhakti-vilāsa. Have you secured that book?

O'Connell: I have the book. I'm yet to be a professor or even get my degree beyond the . . . I have the book.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. So that Hari-bhakti-vilāsa is written by Sanātana Gosvāmī in the name of Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī. Because Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī was very young boy, and Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī, they were very elderly. But because all the six Gosvāmīns happened to be direct disciples of Lord Caitanya, so Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, although very young, he was treated as younger brother of Sanātana Gosvāmī. So this book was actually written by Sanātana Gosvāmī, but it was published, or dedicated to, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī.

In this book the rules and regulation of the Vaiṣṇavas are described—of the brahmacārīs, the students; of the gṛhasthas, householders; vānaprastha, retired men; and sannyāsī, renounced order—how gṛhastha should live, how brahmacārī should live, how vānaprastha should live, how sannyāsī should live. All the . . . it is called Vaiṣṇava smṛti.

Śruti and smṛti. Śruti means Vedic literature, which is traditionally, from time immemorial, it is learned simply by hearing from authoritative sources. Just like in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the First Canto, first verse, it is said, tene brahma hṛdā Adi-kavaye (SB 1.1.1). The original authority of Vedic literature, Lord Brahmā, he was instructed about Vedic knowledge by Lord Kṛṣṇa. And he imparted Vedic knowledge to the world. So he was the first creature, living creature, after creation. So there was nobody to give him initiation, because he is the only living creature at that time. So the Lord Himself initiated.

How He initiated? Hṛdā, through the heart. Because He is situated in everyone's heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati (BG 18.61). He is . . . the Lord is seated in everyone's heart. So he initiated. Tene brahma hṛdā. Hṛdā means "through the heart." And that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, that buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam: "I give instruction, buddhi-yogam, the yoga principle of intelligence, or bhakti-yoga." Whom? Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam (BG 10.10): One who is engaged with love and affection in devotional service, to him He gives instruction. Not to all. Samo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu (BG 9.29). God is equal to everyone.

That is a fact. So far eating, sleeping, mating, these four principles are concerned, God is giving everyone. Just like government provides maintenance, provision, even in the prison life. That is not very important thing for government. But education department or other higher cultural department, that is not for all. Similarly, although God is equal to everyone, he's especially inclined to the devotees. Ye tu bhajanti māṁ prītyā teṣu te mayi (BG 9.29).

Those who are engaged in devotional service, He's specially inclined to him. And to him He gives instruction from within. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām (BG 10.10). Satata means always. Twenty-four hours, one who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to him He gives instruction from within, because he's qualified. Others, instruction He's giving, but other is not obeying the instruction.

Just like a man is ready to commit some sinful activities. He thinks, "Shall I do it?" From within, "N,. don't do it." Again he says, "Why not? Let me do it." In this way, when he insists, oh, then He says: "All right, do it. Do it." So the word that, "Nothing can happen without the sanction of God," that is a fact. Nobody can act anything . . . then the question is why a man acts sinfully? So why does God give sanction for sinful action? Yes. When one insists that, "I shall do it," "All right, do it. And suffer the consequences."

So this purification process, according to Vaiṣṇava smṛti, ādau gurvāśrayaṁ tato sad-dharma-pṛcchāt sādhu mārgāṇugamanam (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.74). In the beginning one has to accept a spiritual master, bona fide spiritual master. And who is bona fide spiritual master? That is also described in several Vedic scripture. In the Upaniṣad it is said, śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham (MU 1.2.12): One who has come down in disciplic succession and as a result of such authorized succession one has become fully, firmly convinced in Brahman. Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān, the same thing. Brahma-niṣṭham. He is transcendentally situated. So these things are there.

And in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also it is said that who requires a spiritual master. That is also said. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta (SB 11.3.21). One . . . let one surrender himself unto the spiritual master. Who is that one? Jijñāsuḥ. One who is inquisitive. What about inquisitiveness? Jijñā . . . śreya uttamam. The highest perfectional stage of life. If one is inclined what is transcendental life, what is spiritual life, what is perfection of life, if one is inclined to this subject matter, for him there is necessity of approaching a bona fide spiritual master.

To accept a spiritual master is not a hobby: "Because everyone accepts some spiritual master, let me have also a spiritual master, without following the instruction, without following the principle." That sort of acceptance of spiritual master is not required. He doesn't require to accept a spiritual master who is not inquisitive on transcendental subject matter. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam (SB 11.3.21).

Uttamam means . . . ut means surpassing, and tamam means the darkness. This material world is darkness. And one who has transcended the darkness region and has come to the region of light . . . jyotir gamaḥ tamasa mā, "Don't remain in this darkness. Go to the light." So that is called uttamam. Uttamam. Udgata tamaṁ yasmād.

So questions, jijñāsuḥ, inquisitive, of transcendental matter. There are many things to inquire. Śrotavyādīni rājan (SB 2.1.2), there is, in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. There are many subject matter for inquiry and hearing. But one who is interested in hearing about the transcendental subject matter, ramante yoginaḥ anante (CC Madhya 9.29), the unlimited, infinite subject matter, for him a spiritual master is needed. Not for all. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam (SB 11.3.21). And who is spiritual master? That is also stated. Śābde pare ca niṣṇātam. Śābde means the Vedic śruti, śruti. This is called śābda-brahma. One who has learned both śruti and smṛti. Śruti means Vedas, and smṛti means books derived from Vedic knowledge. That is called smṛti. And Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī says in his Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu that śruti smṛti . . .

śruti-smṛti-purāṇAdi-
pāñcarātriki-vidhiṁ vinā
aikāntikī harer bhaktir
utpātāyaiva kalpate
(Brs. 1.2.101)

If one poses himself a great devotee but does not follow the principles of śruti, smṛti, purāṇa and Nārada Pañcarātra, and the rules and regulation thereof, then his presentation as great devotee is simply disturbance.

According to this Hari-bhakti-vilāsa and according to the direction of the Gosvāmīs in the Lord Caitanya's line, if one does not follow the principles of Vedas, principles of the smṛti or corollaries, Vedic literature . . . just like Bhagavad-gītā is called smṛti, and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Mahā-purāṇa.

So śruti, smṛti, purāṇAdi, and pāñcarātriki-vidhim, Nārada Pañcarātra. Without following the rules and regulation of these scriptures, if one poses himself as devotee of Kṛṣṇa, aikāntikī harer bhaktiḥharer means Lord; bhakti, devotional service—he is disturbance to the society.

So the general rule is that if one is inquisitive . . . just as we follow in our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness Society, we ask everyone to come. We don't make any imposition that with such-and-such qualification one can sit here or hear. No.

All these students who are initiated, they know we don't impose anything, "You must be such and such," "You must be such and such educated," "You must be Hindu" or "You must be Brahmin" or "You must be white" or "black . . ." No such restriction. Anyone. This is universal. Chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, everyone is welcome. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. And hear something from Bhagavad-gītā.

So following this principle, if one is a little more interested, then he offers himself, "Swāmījī, I shall be initiated." So if I see that that boy or that girl is sincere and is following, then we say that, "You have to follow these four principles." What are these? Niṣiddhācāra. These are injunction by Lord Caitanya, that no illicit sex life, no intoxication, no, I mean to say, non-vegetarian dishes and no gambling. These four principles. So they agree, and he is given initiation for chanting beads, Hare Kṛṣṇa, at least sixteen rounds daily.

So if one follows the rules and regulation rigidly . . . and the next initiation is this dvijatvam. Dvijatvam means twice-born. Twice-born one becomes immediately when he approaches a spiritual master, but the sacred thread is offered as the symbol that he has a spiritual master. Just like there is some vast, there is some degree. So this sacred thread is offered after one year.

One who has followed strictly the rules and regulation and chanted sixteen rounds Hare Kṛṣṇa at least, so he is given the second chance. The third chance is to offer renunciation. If he wants to completely in the service of the Lord, there is sannyāsa. Just the other day we were discussing, anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ, sa sannyāsī (BG 6.1). Of course, these are formal regulative principles. Real life is within: how much one is sincere in the service of the Lord.

So according to rigid class of Hindus, this sacred thread ceremony, they say it is to be offered only to the person who are born in the Brahmin family. Perhaps you have studied all these things while you were in India. But Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam says no. There is no question of birthright, that because one is born in the Brahmin family, therefore he can become a Brahmin. Of course, the Vedic regulation is that unless one is born by a Brahmin father, he cannot be initiated according to the Vedic regulation.

But to take birth in the Brahmin family, that is now oblivion at the present moment. Because in the Brahmin family formerly—not only in the Brahmin family; kṣatriya family and vaiśya family also—there was a garbhādhāna ceremony. Garbhādhāna ceremony means when the father goes to beget a child, there is a ceremony like this. It is not a secret service. It is open secret, that "Today he is going to have sex life with his wife for begetting a nice child." It is not sexual enjoyment; it is to beget a nice child. So then there is a ceremony which is called garbhādhāna ceremony, pregnancy ceremony.

So at the present moment this ceremony is not observed. Even in rigid families they have already given up. And the śāstra injunction is, as soon as one gives up this ceremony, garbhādhāna ceremony, he at once falls down to the classification of a śūdra. The whole family, no more. Because who knows by whom this child is born? Nobody knows whether he's a Brahmin's son or a śūdra's son or a rascal's son or a paṇḍita's son. Because there is so much freedom.

So kalau śūdra-sambhava. Therefore the general enunciation is that in this age everyone has to be accepted as born śūdra. But this principle is accepted always. By birth everyone is śūdra. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Everyone is born śūdra. Then? Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Dvijaḥ means this saṁskāra. This saṁskāra . . . by gradual process of cultivation of knowledge, of behavior, of rules and regulations, one becomes a dvijaḥ. Dvijaḥ means twice-born. The first birth is by the father and mother, and the second birth is by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. At that time, second birth means mother is the Vedic knowledge and father is the spiritual master.

So Sanātana Gosvāmī says, because he has enunciated this rule for the so-called rigid Brahmins, they say, "Without taking birth in a Brahmin family there is no possibility of one's becoming a Brahmin." But Bhagavad-gītā does not say like that. Bhagavad-gītā says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13). "These four principles of caste—Brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—I have created that division." Now, it is creation of God. Nobody can nullify it.

So that division is everywhere. Not only in India or Hindu society or . . . no. Everywhere. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: by classification of quality and work. Here also the same thing is there. And Śrīmad-Bhāgavata also confirms this by Nārada Muni, when he describes about these four principles of social division, he says, yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syād varṇābhivyañjakam (SB 7.11.35). Now there is classification who is a Brahmin, who is a kṣatriya, who is a vaiśya, the qualities. Because according to quality, the divisions shall be there. Now in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find the Brahmin's quality, the vaiśya's quality, the śūdra's quality.

So Bhāgavata also confirms that yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syāt. The symptoms of a person qualifying himself to become a Brahmin or kṣatriya or vaiśya or śūdra, that is the main principle. If that symptom is found elsewhere, he should be accepted in that classification. Suppose a man is born in a śūdra family or less than a śūdra family, but if his qualities are just like Brahmin, then he should be accepted as Brahmin. That is Bhāgavata's . . .

So this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is a manufacturing process of Brahmin, Vaiṣṇava. Vaiṣṇava means surpassing the Brahminical stage. Brahma jānātī iti brāhmaṇaḥ. One who has realized Brahman, he is called Brahmin. After realization of Brahman, then realization of Paramātmā, then realization of Bhagavān.

And one who comes to the stage of understanding Bhagavān, the Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu, he is called Vaiṣṇava. A Vaiṣṇava means he is already a Brahmin. Because in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said:

brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā
na śocati na kāṅkṣati
samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu
mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām
(BG 18.54)

The devotional service begins when one has already realized Brahman. Because to whom rendering devotional service? To the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavān. And Bhagavān is the last word in the Absolute Truth.

vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam
brahmeti paramātmeti
bhagavān iti śabdyate
(SB 1.2.11)

The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases: first impersonal Brahman realization, then localized Paramātmā realization, and then the last word is to realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā:

bahūnāṁ janmanām ante
jñānavān māṁ prapadyate
vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti
sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ
(BG 7.19)

One who has accepted that Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa—Kṛṣṇa is Vāsudeva—sa mahātmā, he is the greatest soul. And Bhāgavata confirms:

vāsudeve bhagavati
bhakti-yogaḥ-prayojitaḥ
janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ
jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam
(SB 1.2.7)

If one is engaged in the transcendental loving service to Vāsudeva, then automatically the stage of Brahman realization automatically becomes revealed.

So this ceremony is just according to the strict principle of Vaiṣṇava smṛti. And today . . . and Sanātana Gosvāmī confirms this, that yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti kāṁsyaṁ rasa-vidhānataḥ (Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12). By chemical process, one can turn the bell metal into gold. That is alchemistry, that bell metal, if it is treated with mercury properly, then it can become gold. Formerly people knew it. So the example is given that as bell metal, a base metal, can be turned into gold by a chemical process, similarly, yathā . . . (break) (end)