720302 - Conversation with Lalita Prasad - Birnagar

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His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



720302TA-BIRNAGAR - March 02, 1972 - 139:44 Minutes



(Bengali / English talk with Lalitā Prasād, son of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura)


Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (whispers)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali)

So Bhavānanda is sleeping in the car?

Śyāmasundara: Yes he is feeling sick.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali) (break)

(Whispering)

Gurudas: the United States. In 1938 cause Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura had said that he shouldn’t go. He said I tried to disobey him (indistinct) (Bengali) (break)

Śyāmasundara: You just got started on this?

Jayapatāka: (indistinct) start already

(Conversation in the background is loud)

Śyāmasundara: Let's just finish.

(Bengali) (break) (Bengali)

Acyutānanda: To pay off that gardeners debt.

Prabhupāda: Well I have already promised him to pay on his debts but he, he said yes but he did not come. I am prepared to pay whatever his debt.

(Bengali) (faint sound) (break)

Prabhupāda: Do not keep there. There is tendency for fallen down.

Śyāmasundara: I’ll just wash my hands then I’ll sit it nicely.

(Bengali) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Hmm. Ah. Family.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) a religious ceremony he will have (Bengali) He can do everything.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs). These are the sevites?

Lalitā Prasāda: Śrī sevites.

Śyāmasundara: Śrī sevites.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) has more ink bottles than anybody. (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Hm… Then there is the signature of the seven persons. Rules and regulations? Of Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī. Constitution. Constitution this charitable religious literary association or society called Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī is constituted and composed of seven members. Some of them paying subscription annually and others for life paying subscriptions at a time. Including the sevite of the Ulla Śrī Bhaktivinode Dvāras Mandir in the municipal town of Birnagar in the district of Nadia, West Bengal and the goṣṭhīpathi of the society. All of whom will form the mem…

Prabhupāda: (Bengali)

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: All of whom will form the managing executive committee and governing body and will be eligible to become office bearers and will hold posts as 1. President and Vice president. 2. Secretary and joint or assistant secretaries. 3. Treasurer and librarian. 4. Accountant. 5. Auditor. 6. Manager. 7. Goṣṭhīpathi. 8. Sevite and his assistants to perform seva and pūjā of deities at the said Mandir. And will hold any other post or posts which will be created afterwards by the committee as under the rules. Subscription of life member shall be annually 300 rupees at a time.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: The subscription for ordinary member shall be rupees one per month or rupees 12 per annum.

Prabhupāda: 300 for whom?

Śyāmasundara: Life members.

Prabhupāda: Life members.

Śyāmasundara: At a time.

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: These members will be solely and wholly in charge of the money.

Gurudas: Who?

Śyāmasundara: These members.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) technical constitution. (Bengali) technical constitution… (indistinct) legal.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah. Legal code? Yeah. These seven members? (indistinct) says these members. That is the seven members?

Lalitā Prasāda: Seven members regular members. (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) most of members. (Bengali) (indistinct) account what has gone wrong? (laughs)

(Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: It sounds like our constitution.

Prabhupāda: It is the same.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (Bengali conversation) in my own mind (Bengali conversation). 5000 invaluable. You will never (indistinct). Kept 5000 books.

Devotee: Books.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Is the library here?

Devotee: Yes. We purchased the iron(?) here.

(Bengali conversation)

Prabhupāda: …lease for development… (Bengali) We hold the lease from you.

Lalitā Prasāda: For how many years? Legal limit?

Prabhupāda: Legal limit, so 99 years.

Lalitā Prasāda: 99 years.

(Bengali conversation)

Prabhupāda: Bas, simple fact. Simply lease for so many years with option to revive. (Bengali)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: We don’t want proprietorship, you give us lease.

Lalitā Prasāda: Lease.

Prabhupāda: For 99 years. For Development that's all. (Bengali)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Now I require massages.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Where would you like to take massage? In the sunshine?

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: In the sun?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Massage. We will take massage.

(Bengali conversation)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) very good that you are keeping them. (laughs) I am very glad.

(Bengali conversations)

Prabhupāda: You also take bath?

Devotees: Yes.

Prabhupāda: (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Gurudāsa: That bathing ghat by Bhaktivinode's…

(Bengali conversation)

Devotee: Yeah, I’ll show you the temple.

Gurudāsa: All right.

Devotee: I’ll just take you to the…

Gurudāsa: You know I just did a round by the birth site. It was wonderful.

Devotee: Around of (indistinct) of beads

Gurudāsa: Beads. Now I’ll do some film.

(simultaneous Bengali / English conversations)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (indistinct) home be at home. Logic. (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Be at home. Logic (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: B H… be at home. Oh. (laughs)

Prabhupāda: We’re at home.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Prabhupāda: We are at our father's house.

(Bengali conversation) two hours (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Bas. (Bengali)

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: There's a place (indistinct).

(Bengali conversation)

Bengali devotee: (reading newspaper) Russia France and Britain. (Bengali) (break). A tide of discussion between India and Pakistan. Russia (indistinct) France and Britain want.

(Bengali conversation) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun.

Śyāmasundara: Sun. You will go out for some sun also? So you are leaving?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah.

Śyāmasundara: Okay.

Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun... in the winter sun come, come... that way.

Śyāmasundara: So you will move over and sit here?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. I sit (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

(Bengali conversation)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) room.

Śyāmasundara: Eh?

Lalitā Prasāda: You’re staying?

Śyāmasundara: We will sit there?

Lalitā Prasāda: Nah. (Bengali)

Bengali devotee: The room is.

Śyāmasundara: That's all right I don’t need to go anywhere.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) another room.

Śyāmasundara: All right.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Okay. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: We want to walk. Okay, all right.

Lalitā Prasāda: A guest.

Śyāmasundara: We’ll go see. Thank you. (break)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali conversation in the garden).

He looks like his father also.

Śyāmasundara: His mother appears very beautiful also in those photos.

Prabhupāda: Hm.

Śyāmasundara: Shining face. That man is reading the newspaper to him. Every day he gets all the news.

Prabhupāda: This is the system, old aristocratic.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Prabhupāda: Every old man should engage a man to read the news.

Śyāmasundara: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Spread it.

Śyāmasundara: On the ground?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Watch the bottle. It will be dry within 10 minutes by the time I take my.

Yadubara: I shouldn’t wring that should I?

Prabhupāda: No, simply make this. Here that's all spread. Spread it that is sufficient. Hari-nāma hari-nāma. It will be dry in 10 minutes. Yes he knows, that's it.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Yadubara: Easy way to iron.

Śyāmasundara: These are old temples?

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: These are very old temples?

Prabhupāda: Yes. At least 200 years.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. Always they have worshipped Viṣṇu in this temple? Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Formerly they used to worship goddess Kali.

Śyāmasundara: Is that boy some relation?

Prabhupāda: No.

Śyāmasundara: Just a friend. Society. A good boy.

Prabhupāda: I have given him the suggestion the whole thing is solved in one minute. He also agrees.

Śyāmasundara: Lease.

Prabhupāda: Lease.

Śyāmasundara: 99 years.

Prabhupāda: That's it.

Śyāmasundara: Not for proprietorship for development.

Prabhupāda: What is the use of proprietorship?

Śyāmasundara: What do we care? (laughs) Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor.

Prabhupāda: 99 years, our life, your life, your grand your son's life… We have to give some service so long the body is there, otherwise what shall I do with the property? Everything will remain here.

Śyāmasundara: He knows that you are in a position to develop it until some.

Prabhupāda: Yes, 99. So one bucket cold water and one bucket hot water and one soap.

Śyāmasundara: One hot and one cold.

(indistinct discussion) (break).

Prabhupāda: Bhavānanda is a good massager.

Śyāmasundara: Yes. How big is the property here? Does it extend around some distance?

Prabhupāda: 20 bigas.

Śyāmasundara: 20 bigas, oh that is large.

Gurudāsa: Has he agreed to your proposals Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: So should we get? Draw up some papers or?

Prabhupāda: He’ll do it.

Śyāmasundara: He’ll do it. Very nice. (laughs) So before you leave India.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: All these things finished.

(break). I was I always used to dream that you would take us to these places. (laughs) (break)

Prabhupāda: So we require a few cars from America.

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Devotee: Jeeps.

Śyāmasundara: I think heavy Jeeps.

Prabhupāda: That is.

Śyāmasundara: Cars like that rough.

Devotee: Like UNICEF Jeeps.

Śyāmasundara: Or Land Rovers.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. There is bathroom? No?

Śyāmasundara: Yes… And some more men also I think are required.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: (indistinct) they’ll all come out.

Gurudāsa: They don’t want to come anyway.

(indistinct conversation)

Prabhupāda: I’ve got enough for…(break)

Devotee (2): Jagannath Purī also.

Gurudāsa: Dvārkādīśa, where the boats.

Śyāmasundara: Where is Dvārakā dhāma

Devotee: Dvārakā dhāma.

Gurudāsa: Dvārakā dhāma when we get some amphibious Kṛṣṇa conscious. Hare Kṛṣṇa… (break)

Prabhupāda: … And was purchased by Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura at Rs.150.

Acyutānanda: All of it?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: Per biga?

Prabhupāda: No for the whole plot.

Acyutānanda: (laughs)

Prabhupāda: That was 20 bigas.

Śyāmasundara: In Mayapur that man from the Caitanya Math has bought 150 acres.

Acyutānanda: That's about Rs.10. Less than Rs.10. (break)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) who had some excess money in hand. (break). After producing they want cash in their hand. The capitalist will take, hold it for some time naturally the price will increase and they will sell it. That system is still going on but it is very dangerously made.

People do not bring out the commodity they simply speculate, "I purchased it from you, you purchase it from me," so the goods are there and transaction is going on. I sell to you, you sell to him, you sell and so on and people do not get the goods. There is scarcity and it is lying somewhere and the speculation is going on.

Śyāmasundara: Somewhere else.

Prabhupāda: Yes. And because the goods are not coming the market is increasing, you see. This rogueism is going on and there are so many banks although I have no money. Suppose I want to purchase one lakh worth of grains. Somehow or other if I have Rs.20,000 the bank will give me 80,000.

So the market is increasing, I’m not selling and when it is to my full satisfaction I sell, I pay the banks money and take a large huge profit. This is going on, in every commodity. Things are not coming out it has become gold exchange. But they will sell just at the beginning of the next season.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: Otherwise they will be put into knots. (break)

Śyāmasundara: No, no as long as you are here I’m not afraid.

Prabhupāda: Ah, the population has decreased.

Śyāmasundara: They have driven them away. Or killed them.

Prabhupāda: When there is… Just like you do not go to the forest (indistinct) infested with many animals. Similarly they also do not come to the human society and the bigger population.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: This is the safe, bhayaṁ dvitīyābhiniveśataḥ syād (SB 11.2.37), for forgetting Kṛṣṇa all the living entities they are afraid of one another.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: That's all. They have forgotten that Kṛṣṇa is the centre he is our father. So there is no fear but that they have forgotten. Now, īśād apetasya viparyayo 'smṛtiḥ, they have forgotten that we are brothers. Therefore fight, we have got equal rights to enjoy the father's property but no, I am taking more you are starving. And this is going on. Kṛṣṇa consciousness will solve all these questions.

If everyone has got the right to enjoy father's property why one should take more? This is the best idea of communism, these things are there in Bhāgavata. Bhāgavata says whatever is there in the sky, whatever there is on the land and whatever there is on the water they belong to the Supreme Lord. So every living entity has the right to enjoy it as it is allotted by the Lord. This is Bhāgavata's contribution.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. In other words if a man is born a King he is allowed to enjoy like a King?

Prabhupāda: Yes King is to manage these affairs.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: If everything is property of God, you are all sons of God. So King's business is to see that nobody is encroaching upon other's property. Nobody is fighting and he equally distributes the produce, that is the King's duty. He has to see that whether brāhmaṇas are executing their duty, kṣatriya's, vaiśyas according to their division, this is King's duty. To make him Kṛṣṇa conscious but King is simply interested with the tax. No education, so-called King, and the King is finished, now the people have taken in the name of people's government but it is an oligarch.

It is for the interests of a few men and all of them rogues and thieves just like Gandhi started indigenous manufacture. Buy sell car, by manufacturing one's own cloth, now that became a show and the government started big big factories owned by capitalists. So Britishers were taking one rupee and eight annas per pair and they are now taking twenty-one rupees eight annas. Twenty times increase, government does not say anything because they are getting tax in different ways, excise tax, sales tax, income tax and the tax is distributed amongst the government servants. People do not get any benefit.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: 20% of the tax collected, they distribute for the people's welfare and 80% divided, divided by the governors, rajputies, secretaries and government servants—this is the position. One side the capitalist is exploiting and the government is taking tax from them and the government means a few men they are enjoying, that's it. This is all over the world I can see, and they want that the people should be engaged in fighting in the name of nationalism and they will enjoy that's all.

They have no good idea for the betterment of the position of the citizens. What we are doing every government should have done it—Kṛṣṇa consciousness but the rascals they simply plunder the citizens and enjoy. Wine women and flesh—this is the position. (break) (indistinct), they are mlecchas and taking the dress of the King, killing the whole world. (break).

(Bengali conversation)

LalitāPrasāda: (Bengali).

12 lakhs and all under the (indistinct) and putting a temple on that land only to get rid of it. 30 bigas to get the site, your site(?).

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) it start by...

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Otherwise there is meeting 4 o’clock?

Śyāmasundara: Not today.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: Not today tomorrow.

Prabhupāda: Not tomorrow. The press reporter?

Śyāmasundara: Oh is there a press meeting?

Gurudāsa: I don’t know.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: Oh.

Prabhupāda: The press reporters from Navadvīpa will come.

Śyāmasundara: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: After four. So we must reach there by five, it will take 2 ½ hours. So by half past two we must get out.

Lalitā Prasāda: Half past two (Bengali).

Prabhupāda: Let us...

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali) prasādam ready.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: So at about 2 o’clock I will begin working on the car and try to make that horn work.

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Without horn, not possible?

Śyāmasundara: No, well we can do that again. (laughs)

Prabhupāda: What's wrong with that?

Śyāmasundara: It's dangerous.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell, ringing a bell.

Śyāmasundara: Dinner plate.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Hanging bell (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: No Prabhupāda's plate. You know plate? Brass plate.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Bell we use that.

Śyāmasundara: Oh Yeah (laughs).

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Ding dong bell.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Gurudāsa: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Japa)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (break)

(plays a part of Prabhupāda's recording Bengali conversation). Sideways, side view (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?

Lalitā Prasāda: All the back.

Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?

Lalitā Prasāda: On the back.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: This side.

Śyāmasundara: Left side?

Lalitā Prasāda: Left side. (indistinct) for me heavy.

Śyāmasundara: Ah. Ah... No eyeglasses?

Lalitā Prasāda: Eyeglasses (Bengali) use, coming cataract.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Full of cataract.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) This side I can see.

Śyāmasundara: Ah... One eye is better than no. A one-eyed uncle is better than no uncle.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) this eye I had no view (Bengali). I want a doctor to test my eye. Well life is shortened that way. Life is shortened.

Devotees: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: If I operate with the cataract life will be shortened.

Gurudāsa: Oh yes, yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: The affect on the whole system.

Gurudāsa: Yes, yes that's a fact.

Lalitā Prasāda: And even if I live for 100 years (indistinct) have to die 40 years ago. (indistinct)… Any operation lessens the longevity of life.

Gurudāsa: Yes yes.

Gurudāsa: Longevity of life. Because then something else has to replace that…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) you are no young men (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: The (indistinct) are diminished. Diminished.

Śyāmasundara: Hm… But when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out?

Lalitā Prasāda: Beg your pardon?

Śyāmasundara: You said that when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes, yes. On religious, I don’t see any difficulty. A sense of ploy from heaven. God sends His, I don’t know. (Bengali). So that it is possible to sing the name of God and know what is holy.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: They’re fond of māyā.

Gurudāsa: Servants of māyā.

Lalitā Prasāda: The illusory energy, I call. Illusory energy. Illusion.

Gurudāsa: Yes illusion.

Lalitā Prasāda: Illusory energy is māyās shakti, (indistinct), illusionary. Have you bed? Bedding?

Śyāmasundara: Bedding? Yes they are in Māyāpura.

Lalitā Prasāda: In Māyāpura only?

Śyāmasundara: In our camp.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) another morning at the Ganges

(Gong sounds)

Śyāmasundara: Yes we go bathing there.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) 400 years ago (Bengali) jan-nagar(?) straight to the north.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Prabhupāda: Up to Gandhinagar.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: From jan-nagar(?) And at Ganga(?) it tries to. Took turn and then it came towards south. Towards East and then it goes a bit further (indistinct) 500 years ago (indistinct) time when Māyāpura was discovered again, Ṭhākura's expressed(?) But again that was stopped and the course has taken another way. By… Other side (indistinct) how the Ganges has shifted from one side to another… (indistinct) out 20 miles…Ganges shifted.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. 20 miles?

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes (indistinct) Ganges, at Māyāpura and 12 lakhs of people on the (indistinct) where you are now building this thing.

Śyāmasundara: Hm? 12 lakhs?

Lalitā Prasāda: 12 lakhs. Now (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Biggest temple in Bengal. We are rising.

Lalitā Prasāda: That will be.

Śyāmasundara: Yes. One of the biggest in India.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct)… will be glad.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: Longest. Longest.

Śyāmasundara: Eh? Tallest.

Lalitā Prasāda: Longest.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: 200 feet in Bengal there is no (indistinct). Jagannath temple near (indistinct) Jagannath Purī that is 108 feet high.

Śyāmasundara: 180?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct)… Here, here 150 .

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: You know this?

Gurudāsa: Yes in Orissa.

Lalitā Prasāda: Orissa.

Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco California we have New Jagannath Purī.

Lalitā Prasāda: Oh yes.

Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco.

Lalitā Prasāda: In San Francisco.

Śyāmasundara: And we have every year a big Ratha-yātrā.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes flyer I’ve seen.

Śyāmasundara: You’ve seen picture?

Lalitā Prasāda: I’ve seen a picture.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs) And in London also Ratha-yātrā.

Lalitā Prasāda: Very good. In London her Majesty should join the Ratha. I think I have a picture.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) Candra eh?

Śyāmasundara: I think we have now six temples in England.

Lalitā Prasāda: Six?

Śyāmasundara: Six temples in England.

Lalitā Prasāda: One in eh?

Śyāmasundara: London, Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff,

Lalitā Prasāda: Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff?

Śyāmasundara: Yes,

Gurudāsa: Edinburg.

Śyāmasundara: Edinburgh.

Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh?

Śyāmasundara: Scotland and Dublin.

Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh, Dublin?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland and Scotland.

Śyāmasundara: Yes Ireland and Scotland.

Gurudāsa: (Sings along with kīrtana in background) bhaja bhakata-vatsala śrī-gaurahari.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. In London there are two classes of men. One (indistinct) in Ireland. Irish in England?

Śyāmasundara: In London?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland.

Śyāmasundara: Ireland. Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland is independent?

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: Not under the British rule?

Śyāmasundara: No. British have lost their rule everywhere.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes everywhere yes Americans have (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Because they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness they will be saved, America.

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: America is now taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Lalitā Prasāda: In New York?

Śyāmasundara: Everywhere. America is taking to this Hare Kṛṣṇa chanting.

Lalitā Prasāda: Simple.

Śyāmasundara: Simple.

Lalitā Prasāda: America (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: No. Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: In all the states?

Śyāmasundara: All the big cities.

Lalitā Prasāda: All the states?

Śyāmasundara: over 60 temples in America. Established by Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Lalitā Prasāda: In the States, where the states? (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Yes. Every big city, one big big temple.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) the pūjā is?

Śyāmasundara: Throughout the day.

Lalitā Prasāda: All through eh?

Śyāmasundara: All through, starting. Maṅgala-ārati starts at 4 o’clock. maṅgala-ārati, maṅgala-ārati 4 o’clock.

Lalitā Prasāda: 4 o’clock.

Śyāmasundara: Morning.

Lalitā Prasāda: Morning.

Śyāmasundara: Going up to sundara-ārati at 9 o’clock at night. And throughout the day at least 10, 12 ārati. 10 or 12 times, prasādam is offered, ārati.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog bhog.

Śyāmasundara: Bhog.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog. (Bengali conversation)

Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa (indistinct)

(Bengali conversation, someone has asked for mṛdaṅga)

(Bengali conversation with Śrīla Prabhupāda)

Śyāmasundara: You don’t eat?

Lalitā Prasāda: By the grace of God. Get some milk (indistinct) five years… They are bhaktas they can approach to Godhead. (Bengali) (Bengali conversations) they are like monkeys.

Śyāmasundara: Monkeys?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) are like monkeys. (laughs)

(Bengali Prabhupāda and others)

Prabhupāda: Let us go… call them.

Śyāmasundara: We are going now?

Prabhupāda: No. Then later.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) take lunch?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) somebody.

Śyāmasundara: Oh yes there is one boy he has jaundice. One boy.

Lalitā Prasāda: Take fruit juice?

Śyāmasundara: Only fruits, fruits, that's all. I think he takes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) that is the difficulty.

Śyāmasundara: At this time of year?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Ah. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) you go.

Śyāmasundara: All right. (Microphone being moved)

Lalitā Prasāda: …break it, very costly.

Śyāmasundara: About Rs.1000.

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: Rs.1000

Lalitā Prasāda: 1000, Oh! You can (indistinct) bad work there is.

Śyāmasundara: Eh? Where?

Lalitā Prasāda: Bad work

(referring to bad workmanship in the house and advising to beware)

Śyāmasundara: Bad work. Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) the money.

Śyāmasundara: But on good work, nothing. About one rupee.

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: (Moving stuff). I will. I would like to bring my wife and child everybody in… Well maybe? How long it takes by train to come here? How long by train to come here?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. Two hours.

Prabhupāda: Two hours by train from Māyāpura, from Navadvīpa?

Lalitā Prasāda: Navadvīpa. (indistinct) 20 minutes.

Śyāmasundara: 20 minutes?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) is five minutes. 10 miles from this place.

Śyāmasundara: From here to Navadvīpa?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Kṛṣṇa-nagar? Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Kṛṣṇa-nagar (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: Ah. I see in total 18 miles. Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) straight.

Śyāmasundara: Okay. Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) not long distance (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: So from here there is train direct to Kṛṣṇa-nagar.

Lalitā Prasāda: If you go (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: Yeah straight.

Lalitā Prasāda: Straight, you make a straight line.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) (Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: Okay we will go.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation)

(Kīrtana in background)

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Lalitā Prasāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa (indistinct) what you want somebody comes?

Śyāmasundara: Eh?

Lalitā Prasāda: You want (indistinct) comes?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

(Bengali conversations and silence for 5 mins) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) Nehru (break)

Gurudāsa: Passport?

Lalitā Prasāda: Passport... In all the world.

Gurudāsa: In what year?

Lalitā Prasāda: 38.

Gurudāsa: 38. Oh!

Lalitā Prasāda: When I retired from service.

Gurudāsa: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Just I asked my officer to give me passport.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: It took me only five minutes.

Gurudāsa: Five minutes?

Lalitā Prasāda: Jawaharlal Nehru gave me a passport.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: He took 5 minutes, I offer you, six, there was six also to get passport and I only got it within two minutes, five minutes. The passport officer there Adleston(?) in charge, he was astonished, "how could he issue?" But you’re officer is my officer.

Gurudāsa: (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: Hear(?) that everywhere, Oh. And he came (indistinct) to get the passport to a seat(?) (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Jaya.

Lalitā Prasāda: That passport is still with me. Little things (indistinct) I couldn’t go very early.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: My health is bad.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: I present you Gods position (laughs) I got ill... sick.

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: So I haven’t done that. Because my father that Bhaktivinode told me, "you do not go out of India."

Gurudāsa: Oh he told you?

Lalitā Prasāda: Still I could go (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Oh still that is… then got ill.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes and his wish (indistinct) so I got a little.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: I couldn’t move.

Gurudāsa: Haribol.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhaktivinode's wish how can I disobey?

Gurudāsa: Yes. Impossible.

Lalitā Prasāda: Though I tried to do it. But.

Gurudāsa: Impossible.

Lalitā Prasāda: And his wish is on him.

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: And they have come then above you(?).

Gurudāsa: Yes, yes…

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) I rented, I rented just as... but (break) I rented, I rented but in Bengali.

(speaking French) je ne sais pas (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: He very glad to see me. A number of years ago (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Maṅgala (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: (Bengali) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda).

Prabhupāda: Give me water, cold water.

Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water. Ah. Ho! Holiya! Holi!

Holi: (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water. (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Cold water?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Gurudāsa: You also photographed that poster?

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Gurudāsa: You also photographed that portrait?

Lalitā Prasāda: Fo…?

Gurudāsa: That famous photo.

Lalitā Prasāda: Photo?

Gurudāsa: You photograph that one?

Lalitā Prasāda: You like (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Acha, that one is famous all around the world.

Lalitā Prasāda: All over the world.

Gurudāsa: All over the world.

Lalitā Prasāda: That was done by me, originally. You saw in the album?

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: That was very (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: But this one especially.

Yadubara: He has this on the album also.

Gurudāsa: It is very famous…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Gurudāsa: You can ask Śrīla Prabhupāda (indistinct)

Yadubara: Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Yadubara: Śrīla Prabhupāda would you like to have a photo with Lalitā Prasāda?

Lalitā Prasāda: (laughs).

Prabhupāda: Ah. Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) …sit down here. No.

Yadubara: I don’t think he can move very well.

Prabhupāda: No he cannot move, I can move.

Yadubara: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Where shall I sit?

Yadubara: It would be best if he could turn. I’m not sure if he can do that, and you could sit here.

Prabhupāda: I will sit down here.

Yadubara: Yeah, you could sit on the chair here.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Yadubara: And if he can turn a little, I can take the photo from there.

Prabhupāda: (Bengali). Mystical?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: We’ll do a candid and a portrait, also.

Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Yadubara: Lalitā Prasāda can you look this way?

Prabhupāda: (Bengali). You should always address him Ṭhākura Mahārāja

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Yadubara: Very nice. Thank you very much.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Prabhupāda: The car is ready or not?

Gurudāsa: I think Śyāmasundara is just finishing fixing.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Gurudāsa: Śyāmasundara prabhu!

Yadubara: Śyāmasundara how long will it be?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Five more minutes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Yadubara: He says five more minutes.

Prabhupāda: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: No no. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Prabhupāda: My Guru Mahārāja and Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura both are from the very beginning strict brahmacārīs.

Gurudāsa: Ohh!

Śyāmasundara: (Outside) Try it now.

Lalitā Prasāda: Age of six I was disgusted with making (indistinct).

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Prabhupāda: That means from the past life you were a…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda and others).

Prabhupāda: Finished?

Śyāmasundara: No. I need one small piece of wire. I wondered…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Śyāmasundara: Electric wire about this long.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others)

Śyāmasundara: (laughs) He's got everything.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others) Kṛṣṇa-nagar. You have come here.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: There you will turn and come here (Bengali).10 miles.

Prabhupāda: And the road? (Bengali)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda and others). 15 miles (indistinct) one hour (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others, whispers to Prabhupāda).

Prabhupāda: Where is Bhavānanda?

Yadubara: He is sleeping.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: I think he is a little bit sick.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others, whispers to Prabhupāda) (end)